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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 16, 2019 20:48:14 GMT 1
Solid pro but all this eulogising is way over the top for a defender who had poor positional sense and wasn't all that great at defending. It does leave us short in that position though. Do you think he was poor positionally and not all that great at defending the year we got promoted? I think the promotion season masked his deficiencies well, we defended less and yes he was decent going forward but all this passing back and being out of position became a little tedious. No disrespect intended bit he was a run of the mill signing by a run of the mill manager but he has served us well and we got a good fee for him but will we miss him defensively? I suspect not. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2019 20:55:49 GMT 1
Do you think he was poor positionally and not all that great at defending the year we got promoted? I think the promotion season masked his deficiencies well, we defended less and yes he was decent going forward but all this passing back and being out of position became a little tedious. No disrespect intended bit he was a run of the mill signing by a run of the mill manager but he has served us well and we got a good fee for him but will we miss him defensively? I suspect not. I think it's very convenient to say we masked his deficiencies in the season he was possibly the best right back in the division. I agree he was a run of the mill signing but he was transformed under Wagner imo.. But then obviously found out a little in the big league, as were most of ours |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2019 20:58:04 GMT 1
When you say we won't.miss him ability wise. Id say the last time we were in the championship he was as good as anyone in the division. Hes also someone who you can rely on 100% to have a good attitude on the field.My question is which right back do we now have at the club who is likely to be as good as anything in the division? Because if there is no one then surely we are instantly weakened . It's a good move for smith and maybe there was nothing we could do about it. But I don't see how we are not weakened by him leaving Thats a lot of a myth for me. We were winning and dominating teams, it lasted about 20 matches...he looked good as we were defending less. He was energetic and loved to bomb forward with pace...some good crossing. The truth was he could not control a ball...always bounced off him. Could not trap a bag of cement...and that was what Butterfield meant. This was the time he got the captaincy...and didn't he get voted in to the Division team of the season? Thanks a lot Tommy...a stalwart. Good money and we wont miss him though. Another bang average footballer is a superstar multi-millionaire...what is new? Winning and dominating teams ? Ffs for the last twelve months you've been twittering on about us fluking it .. make your mind up .. smith had a great season . If you and art don't think he did then that serves as reinforcement to this assertion |
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Post by zoso on Jul 16, 2019 21:03:18 GMT 1
Well, we are now a selling club and it's like it was in the old days - anyone half decent will be sold even to a rival team, if we get what seems like a good offer. But hey we've made £3.5m profit with the replacement coming in, even if like Ted says, it's somewhat unlikely we'll see that £3.5m actually kick a ball around. Which bit of his head was turned and he wanted to leave did you not get? Exactly this. 27 years old, just had a 40% pay cut (allegedly), probably offered a more lucrative contract than he was on with us, a bit of a no brainer really. Sorry to see him go, some great performances in our promotion season, linked up well with kachunga....and his goal against Rotherham....  |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 16, 2019 21:04:45 GMT 1
Thats a lot of a myth for me. We were winning and dominating teams, it lasted about 20 matches...he looked good as we were defending less. He was energetic and loved to bomb forward with pace...some good crossing. The truth was he could not control a ball...always bounced off him. Could not trap a bag of cement...and that was what Butterfield meant. This was the time he got the captaincy...and didn't he get voted in to the Division team of the season? Thanks a lot Tommy...a stalwart. Good money and we wont miss him though. Another bang average footballer is a superstar multi-millionaire...what is new? Winning and dominating teams ? Ffs for the last twelve months you've been twittering on about us fluking it .. make your mind up .. smith had a great season . If you and art don't think he did then that serves as reinforcement to this assertion We had a spell where we were having 60-65% possession but not creating chances...many games won 1-0..many by accident rather than design. Our tails were up. It was like the run under Clark....43 was it...and we were bang lucky not to lose in 25 of them. Smith is average...always was. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2019 21:08:36 GMT 1
Winning and dominating teams ? Ffs for the last twelve months you've been twittering on about us fluking it .. make your mind up .. smith had a great season . If you and art don't think he did then that serves as reinforcement to this assertion We had a spell where we were having 60-65% possession but not creating chances...many games won 1-0..many by accident rather than design. Our tails were up. It was like the run under Clark....43 was it...and we were bang lucky not to lose in 25 of them. Smith is average...always was. Not sure what you expect from a good championship right back .. it would be good to see you tell us 5 exceptional championship right backs , or even 5 good ones |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 16, 2019 21:44:38 GMT 1
We had a spell where we were having 60-65% possession but not creating chances...many games won 1-0..many by accident rather than design. Our tails were up. It was like the run under Clark....43 was it...and we were bang lucky not to lose in 25 of them. Smith is average...always was. Not sure what you expect from a good championship right back .. it would be good to see you tell us 5 exceptional championship right backs , or even 5 good ones One who is good enough to step up to the Prem if he is captain and in the league team of the year. Solid...but thats it...and nowhere near worth £4 mill. I wont mention your post saying LDP was our best striker in 45 years...ooops. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 16, 2019 21:49:14 GMT 1
Ex (probably) player + DATM = cognitive dissonance...
If the Martians are able to overcome our meagre cyber defences and hack into DATM, I reckon they'll advance their invasion plans by about a gazillion yrs.
Roll on the new season...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 16, 2019 21:56:15 GMT 1
Not sure what you expect from a good championship right back .. it would be good to see you tell us 5 exceptional championship right backs , or even 5 good ones One who is good enough to step up to the Prem if he is captain and in the league team of the year. Solid...but thats it...and nowhere near worth £4 mill. I wont mention your post saying LDP was our best striker in 45 years...ooops. OK, I'll bite... Why isn't he worth £4m if Delph is worth £10m? LDP, it's all about context really. I wouldn't support the theory of the best in 45 yrs (if it's true), but how many of our past starlets have faced the calibre of defending that he's been up against (last season being inexcusable BTW). |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2019 21:57:32 GMT 1
Not sure what you expect from a good championship right back .. it would be good to see you tell us 5 exceptional championship right backs , or even 5 good ones One who is good enough to step up to the Prem if he is captain and in the league team of the year. Solid...but thats it...and nowhere near worth £4 mill. I wont mention your post saying LDP was our best striker in 45 years...ooops. In other words you can't name me one .. do they have to be as good as Phil Neal and Gary Neville? Truth is NO ONE who we played would ever be good enough for you. But it's based on zero knowledge of what's actually out there .. because whether you think you do or not you don't really have much knowledge about modern football ... And I would never claim to get everything right.. as you have claimed previously that you do.. I was irritated when we brought in Wagner.. I thought ldp was the dogs bollocks (I still think he was at that time) .. I get hundreds of things wrong. BUT BUT BUT I can't name three better right backs than smith when we went up .. and actually neither can you |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 16, 2019 22:18:24 GMT 1
One who is good enough to step up to the Prem if he is captain and in the league team of the year. Solid...but thats it...and nowhere near worth £4 mill. I wont mention your post saying LDP was our best striker in 45 years...ooops. In other words you can't name me one .. do they have to be as good as Phil Neal and Gary Neville? Truth is NO ONE who we played would ever be good enough for you. But it's based on zero knowledge of what's actually out there .. because whether you think you do or not you don't really have much knowledge about modern football ... And I would never claim to get everything right.. as you have claimed previously that you do.. I was irritated when we brought in Wagner.. I thought ldp was the dogs bollocks (I still think he was at that time) .. I get hundreds of things wrong. BUT BUT BUT I can't name three better right backs than smith when we went up .. and actually neither can you Egotisticasaurus |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 16, 2019 22:36:45 GMT 1
Well, we are now a selling club and it's like it was in the old days - anyone half decent will be sold even to a rival team, if we get what seems like a good offer. But hey we've made £3.5m profit with the replacement coming in, even if like Ted says, it's somewhat unlikely we'll see that £3.5m actually kick a ball around. Which bit of his head was turned and he wanted to leave did you not get? Did we attempt to turn his head back? Did we attempt to persuade him not to leave? |
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Post by mightytj on Jul 16, 2019 22:49:43 GMT 1
Which bit of his head was turned and he wanted to leave did you not get? Did we attempt to turn his head back? Did we attempt to persuade him not to leave? ‘Here’s more money Tommy, anyone else want a wage rise’ |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 16, 2019 22:52:47 GMT 1
Did we attempt to turn his head back? Did we attempt to persuade him not to leave? ‘Here’s more money Tommy, anyone else want a wage rise’ Negotiation isn't really your thing, is it? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2019 23:01:12 GMT 1
Which bit of his head was turned and he wanted to leave did you not get? Did we attempt to turn his head back? Did we attempt to persuade him not to leave? we seem to have persuaded him to leave not stay.. Pointlessly removing the captaincy from him might well have set his mind to thinking it was time for a change. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2019 23:11:09 GMT 1
Did we attempt to turn his head back? Did we attempt to persuade him not to leave? we seem to have persuaded him to leave not stay.. Pointlessly removing the captaincy from him might well have set his mind to thinking it was time for a change. Maybe (hypothesising) we knew he was going to leave and that's when we decided to take captaincy off him . Or maybe he hates Siewert.. or maybe he is a lover of fine crafted pottery nick hancock and alton towers.. who knows ! |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 16, 2019 23:54:34 GMT 1
Did we attempt to turn his head back? Did we attempt to persuade him not to leave? we seem to have persuaded him to leave not stay.. Pointlessly removing the captaincy from him might well have set his mind to thinking it was time for a change. He wasn’t good enough to be a guaranteed starter. That’s plenty of reason to take the captaincy off him |
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Post by shawsie on Jul 16, 2019 23:57:08 GMT 1
Did we attempt to turn his head back? Did we attempt to persuade him not to leave? we seem to have persuaded him to leave not stay.. Pointlessly removing the captaincy from him might well have set his mind to thinking it was time for a change. From what im told he very much wanted to go and pushed to go. |
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Post by Leporid on Jul 17, 2019 0:23:22 GMT 1
Well, we are now a selling club and it's like it was in the old days - anyone half decent will be sold even to a rival team, if we get what seems like a good offer. But hey we've made £3.5m profit with the replacement coming in, even if like Ted says, it's somewhat unlikely we'll see that £3.5m actually kick a ball around. Which bit of his head was turned and he wanted to leave did you not get? Perhaps Thomas was looking for a change, which would be unsurprising. Perhaps he was offered a signing on fee by the Potters and maybe he was due a loyalty bonus from HTFC. Stoke may have offered him more money. Tommy could be an enthusiast for the five towns, or the six. |
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