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Post by Uddersfield on Jul 18, 2019 10:03:24 GMT 1
I'm split on it. It's obviously a PR stunt. Don't get me wrong it was funny to begin with etc, but it's dragged out a little bit long now. I love PP and their stunts as they are all usually for a good cause in the end. But asking the players to wear that shirt and kind of take the shine and seriousness off the pre-season must annoy Siewart? We're basically puppets for our own sponsors!
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Post by town1 on Jul 18, 2019 10:09:47 GMT 1
The tone of this thread is changing. The one thing people agree about is that it has gone on long enough. Whenever the going gets tough the club seem to go silent. SJ off Twitter. Nothing on the official site. Thought the fans were important to the club. Even the examiner has gone a bit quiet on the story. Do they know something? The whole shambles is an embarrassment for all involved.
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Post by simontrevittsears on Jul 18, 2019 10:13:55 GMT 1
What all these smug self righteous virtue signalling anti betting types seem to have missed is that the league town will be playing in this season is the SKYBET championship. Do they think we should refuse to play in such an evil league and voluntarily play in a lower league sponsored by a more ethically acceptable organisation that meets their moral code? Just askingšš
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:19:33 GMT 1
What all these smug self righteous virtue signalling anti betting types seem to have missed is that the league town will be playing in this season is the SKYBET championship. Do they think we should refuse to play in such an evil league and voluntarily play in a lower league sponsored by a more ethically acceptable organisation that meets their moral code? Just askingšš Pretty sure most people won't have missed that. The difference is we don't have a choice about what division we play in, we do about what company appears on the front of our shirts.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Jul 18, 2019 10:19:45 GMT 1
What all these smug self righteous virtue signalling anti betting types seem to have missed is that the league town will be playing in this season is the SKYBET championship. Do they think we should refuse to play in such an evil league and voluntarily play in a lower league sponsored by a more ethically acceptable organisation that meets their moral code? Just askingšš Beyond our control mate. If you'd seen the effect of gambling on the personal lives of those near and dear to you I think you might not display the glib and dismissive attitude you have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:20:39 GMT 1
All the good publicity over the past 5/10 years
YAA on the shirts Pedal for Pounds Town Foundation/Kids Breakfast Club Cheap season tickets Family club of the Year Fan atmosphere/Terrier Spirit Town v 200 kids and so on..
The great history of this club
First team to win 3 league titles in a row Former FA Cup Winners Herbert Chapman, Bill Shankly, Denis Law, Frank Worthington etc
And now the club do something like this, I am so so disappointed.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 18, 2019 10:20:54 GMT 1
Agreed. The ultimate aim of PP is to get people betting. For some, this is harmless fun or even an enhancement to their lives. For others, it can be devastating. PP's jokey, stunt driven marketing ignores the problem that they are part of. Our club has decided that this is the type of partner that they want on board and I think this is something that we should all feel very uncomfortable with. Historically, our club has done much for our Community with some suberb initiatives. I think that this association undermines a lot of this great work. For many, gambling isn't fun and for some, it can be a matter of profound addition, leading to lifelong issues. For me the major problem here isn't the shirt or the humour or the 'bantz' or the money. The problem is allowing ourselves to be a stool pigeon in a growing Societal problem.
Morning Reverend rastrick,, Perhaps you should find these "Moral Highground Saintly Ethical" companies who are willing to sponsor us and give Town a nod in the right direction.
My church, the Latter Day Church of longdistancerunners will sponsor the shirts forthwith. Only one restriction: no fornication before the hour of Midday as that is valuable running time. Amen!
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 18, 2019 10:22:10 GMT 1
I'm split on it. It's obviously a PR stunt. Don't get me wrong it was funny to begin with etc, but it's dragged out a little bit long now. I love PP and their stunts as they are all usually for a good cause in the end. But asking the players to wear that shirt and kind of take the shine and seriousness off the pre-season must annoy Siewart? We're basically puppets for our own sponsors! Its not a pr stunt.. Its a shit shirt
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Post by Champers on Jul 18, 2019 10:24:55 GMT 1
TV advertising has become a lot cheaper over recent years, so they might not be spending the sums you would think. Sky's advertising service in particular can be so focused (eg all plumbers in Meltham) that it has become accessible to many small businesses and less wasteful. On the subject of TV advertising, betting companies in particular are going to have to start working hard to do their non TV awareness campaigns, since betting adverts on screen are now outlawed āwhistle to whistleā (plus 5mins) for all sports other than racing. Awareness / consciousness insertion is all it is. Similar to the old smoking brand adverts. Nothing that PP do is going to make me open an account and bet with them, Iām oblivious and find what they do to be a mild background irritant. Nothing a smoking brand did was ever going to get me smoking. BUT...if I did smoke, and I was an 18 to 25 year old, and I regularly saw the Regal King Size Reg and Al, āI smoke āem cos my name is on āemā adverts, Iād possibly be tempted to swap brands and see what theyāre like...or at least stay brand loyal. (And I guess smokers once theyāve been at it for a few years and settled on what they smoke, become immensely brand loyal, so those ads were about gaining market share from emerging smokers, and a small amount towards retaining share). The PP ads are similar. If I was a young impressionable into inane banter type humour, Iād maybe click on them and create an account as opposed to going to one of the more traditionally marketed like William Hill or Ladbroke or whatever. Theyāre saying, ācome to us, weāre funā. I Itās āLoadedā magazine in a betting brand...which is another reason I donāt get it, ālad humourā/ābantzā has surely ran its one dimensional tedious course by now?? (Although I guess Loaded closed because it was produced on paper rather than because of its content...if Paddy Power only had traditional shops and no online presence, they would be wasting their time with the way they go about things). Lad humour has always been around. It may not have had a label in the way everything today seemingly has to have, but it won't be going away unless human males do. More to the point, if you're a bloke with a sense of humour, why would you want it to?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:27:51 GMT 1
Just as an aside from all the debate about PP, whether it's good/bad or not, has anyone noticed the Paddy Power logo does not appear anywhere on the club website, aside from pictures of the joke kit. SkyBet, Umbro, Applicances direct, First 4 Lawyers all appear, the club even updated the banner yesterday to show the new kit, but no PP logo anywhere.
Maybe its an elaborate hook up. PP aren't are really the shirt sponsors and instead we stick Town Foundation on the kit all season.
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Post by mpwheely on Jul 18, 2019 10:27:54 GMT 1
I was one of the many that thought this was funny, and how it was a great PR stunt. We were trending and the fallout across football was great. HOWEVER, like many have said, this has gone on long enough now and making the players wear the shirts last night was just plain stupid.
I really hope that the club pulls there finger out and sheds some clarity on this today, otherwise any goodwill from the fan base that turn up week in week out slowly diminishes.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 18, 2019 10:29:24 GMT 1
Just as an aside from all the debate about PP, whether it's good/bad or not, has anyone noticed the Paddy Power logo does not appear anywhere on the club website, aside from pictures of the joke kit. SkyBet. Umbro, Applicances direct, First 4 Lawyers all appear, the club even updated the banner yesterday to show the new kit, but no PP logo anywhere. Maybe its an elaborate hook up. PP aren't are really the shirt sponsors and instead we stick Town Foundation on the kit all season. Wouldn't be a bad idea. Similar to the Yorkshire Air Ambulance a few years back....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:31:21 GMT 1
I'm split on it. It's obviously a PR stunt. Don't get me wrong it was funny to begin with etc, but it's dragged out a little bit long now. I love PP and their stunts as they are all usually for a good cause in the end. But asking the players to wear that shirt and kind of take the shine and seriousness off the pre-season must annoy Siewart? We're basically puppets for our own sponsors! Its not a pr stunt.. Its a shit shirt Think itās time to kick your one man crusade to prove that this is the shirt weāll play in against Derby. Itās just so, so clearly not. Itās a publicity stunt thatās made us look daft.
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Post by crux on Jul 18, 2019 10:33:14 GMT 1
Just as an aside from all the debate about PP, whether it's good/bad or not, has anyone noticed the Paddy Power logo does not appear anywhere on the club website, aside from pictures of the joke kit. SkyBet. Umbro, Applicances direct, First 4 Lawyers all appear, the club even updated the banner yesterday to show the new kit, but no PP logo anywhere. Maybe its an elaborate hook up. PP aren't are really the shirt sponsors and instead we stick Town Foundation on the kit all season. Wouldn't be a bad idea.Ā Similar to the Yorkshire Air Ambulance a few years back....Ā I have to say, that would be genius šššš
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Post by mpwheely on Jul 18, 2019 10:34:02 GMT 1
Just as an aside from all the debate about PP, whether it's good/bad or not, has anyone noticed the Paddy Power logo does not appear anywhere on the club website, aside from pictures of the joke kit. SkyBet, Umbro, Applicances direct, First 4 Lawyers all appear, the club even updated the banner yesterday to show the new kit, but no PP logo anywhere. Maybe its an elaborate hook up. PP aren't are really the shirt sponsors and instead we stick Town Foundation on the kit all season. Good shout, but when PP announced the deal they said it would be going on the home away and 3rd kit for the 2019/20 season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:38:30 GMT 1
On the subject of TV advertising, betting companies in particular are going to have to start working hard to do their non TV awareness campaigns, since betting adverts on screen are now outlawed āwhistle to whistleā (plus 5mins) for all sports other than racing. Awareness / consciousness insertion is all it is. Similar to the old smoking brand adverts. Nothing that PP do is going to make me open an account and bet with them, Iām oblivious and find what they do to be a mild background irritant. Nothing a smoking brand did was ever going to get me smoking. BUT...if I did smoke, and I was an 18 to 25 year old, and I regularly saw the Regal King Size Reg and Al, āI smoke āem cos my name is on āemā adverts, Iād possibly be tempted to swap brands and see what theyāre like...or at least stay brand loyal. (And I guess smokers once theyāve been at it for a few years and settled on what they smoke, become immensely brand loyal, so those ads were about gaining market share from emerging smokers, and a small amount towards retaining share). The PP ads are similar. If I was a young impressionable into inane banter type humour, Iād maybe click on them and create an account as opposed to going to one of the more traditionally marketed like William Hill or Ladbroke or whatever. Theyāre saying, ācome to us, weāre funā. I Itās āLoadedā magazine in a betting brand...which is another reason I donāt get it, ālad humourā/ābantzā has surely ran its one dimensional tedious course by now?? (Although I guess Loaded closed because it was produced on paper rather than because of its content...if Paddy Power only had traditional shops and no online presence, they would be wasting their time with the way they go about things). Lad humour has always been around. It may not have had a label in the way everything today seemingly has to have, but it won't be going away unless human males do. More to the point, if you're a bloke with a sense of humour, why would you want it to? I wouldnāt want it to go away, just like I wouldnāt want jazz music to go away or Selfhelp books or manga comics or cricket, even though I have zero interest in any of them. But what has to be recognised is this inane / purile sense of humour isnāt for everyone. Someone nailed it maybe earlier in this thread how itās akin to the lads in a pub making a big noise thinking theyāre funny and assuming everyone else in the place wants to act and behave like they do, whilst the vast majority think theyāre annoying idiots. My sense of humour is different, what Iād personally find funny is if it wasnāt a laddy prank, was the actual kit and weād just been slack on not checking the rules, someone up top reckoned it was a good idea and everyone was scared to put their hand up....the thought of the club desperately running round trying to get a proper kit together, and how weād squirm out of the situation weāre in would have me chuckling.
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Post by terrier030702 on Jul 18, 2019 10:44:55 GMT 1
It was funny yesterday and I still believe it is a pr stunt but itās getting abit ridiculous now. We as fans suffered last season and got a fair share of abuse from other fans for our poor displays. We as fans stood by the team week in week out and therefore donāt deserve this messing about and embarrassment. I understand it makes the club money etc but come on at least release a statement telling us something. Not to forget we waiting a month longer than everyone else and weāre promised the kit release only to be mocked and embarrassed by a stag party shirt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:45:43 GMT 1
Just as an aside from all the debate about PP, whether it's good/bad or not, has anyone noticed the Paddy Power logo does not appear anywhere on the club website, aside from pictures of the joke kit. SkyBet, Umbro, Applicances direct, First 4 Lawyers all appear, the club even updated the banner yesterday to show the new kit, but no PP logo anywhere. Maybe its an elaborate hook up. PP aren't are really the shirt sponsors and instead we stick Town Foundation on the kit all season. Good shout, but when PP announced the deal they said it would be going on the home away and 3rd kit for the 2019/20 season Indeed, probably just wishful thinking
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jul 18, 2019 10:49:39 GMT 1
They can't fine us, it was a friendly game. Media trying to blow things out of proportion. "FA regulations, which also apply to pre-season matches, state that sponsorship logos must not exceed 250 square centimetres." If that's correct then it does lean towards all this being genuine. If that's the case then it is a massive fuck up by a number of people. Surely not though, the first thing most of us thought is 'that can't be allowed surely'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 10:59:34 GMT 1
"FA regulations, which also apply to pre-season matches, state that sponsorship logos must not exceed 250 square centimetres." If that's correct then it does lean towards all this being genuine. If that's the case then it is a massive fuck up by a number of people. Surely not though, the first thing most of us thought is 'that can't be allowed surely' These things do indeed happen though. It would be massively funny if it was a fuck up, much funnier than the prank that itās assumed to be! If your mate owned a football club that played in the Conference North, and he told you he was betting on the Man U v Liverpool game, the first thing youād think is, āyou know you probably arenāt allowed to do that donāt you? Iām not sure...but have you checked?ā.
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 18, 2019 11:05:08 GMT 1
Its not a pr stunt.. Its a shit shirt Think itās time to kick your one man crusade to prove that this is the shirt weāll play in against Derby. Itās just so, so clearly not. Itās a publicity stunt thatās made us look daft. I cant believe our club would launch a fake kit for a joke.. It just doesnt make sense.. The fact we played in the kit last night.. And the club has advertised it as being available to buy on saturday is all the information i need.. 99% of datm think its a joke kit.. Doesnt mean im wrong..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 11:29:44 GMT 1
Think itās time to kick your one man crusade to prove that this is the shirt weāll play in against Derby. Itās just so, so clearly not. Itās a publicity stunt thatās made us look daft. I cant believe our club would launch a fake kit for a joke.. It just doesnt make sense.. The fact we played in the kit last night.. And the club has advertised it as being available to buy on saturday is all the information i need.. 99% of datm think its a joke kit.. Doesnt mean im wrong.. Are you on the wind up over a wind up?
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 18, 2019 11:37:13 GMT 1
Wouldn't it be even funnier if the shirt is actually genuine and there'd been an oversight when looking at the shirt sponsorship sizes!
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Post by townatheart on Jul 18, 2019 11:44:01 GMT 1
Wouldn't it be even funnier if the shirt is actually genuine and there'd been an oversight when looking at the shirt sponsorship sizes! And I thought I was alone with that odd thoughtāŗ
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 18, 2019 11:44:26 GMT 1
Wouldn't it be even funnier if the shirt is actually genuine and there'd been an oversight when looking at the shirt sponsorship sizes! Exactly.. That is a lot more likely.. š
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Post by detox on Jul 18, 2019 11:46:33 GMT 1
whatever this is, it has seemingly gone badly wrong.... Not a good omen after last summer went badly wrong and we're hoping this summer we're all 'at it'...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 11:47:11 GMT 1
Wouldn't it be even funnier if the shirt is actually genuine and there'd been an oversight when looking at the shirt sponsorship sizes! Whilst it may be an oversight from Town (although i very much doubt it), Umbro would know and wouldn't approve it. I expect Town knew they could/would be fined for wearing it pre-season, but PP will be covering it.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 18, 2019 11:47:16 GMT 1
Great fun, this.
Grown men/women/others getting upset about a bloody football shirt!
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Post by town1907 on Jul 18, 2019 11:49:05 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 11:57:17 GMT 1
Think itās time to kick your one man crusade to prove that this is the shirt weāll play in against Derby. Itās just so, so clearly not. Itās a publicity stunt thatās made us look daft. I cant believe our club would launch a fake kit for a joke.. It just doesnt make sense.. The fact we played in the kit last night.. And the club has advertised it as being available to buy on saturday is all the information i need.. 99% of datm think its a joke kit.. Doesnt mean im wrong.. Thatās it though, we clearly didnāt play in the shirt they released on the website last night. There were several obvious differences. I canāt be bothered to point them out, as itās been done by others already.
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