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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 25, 2019 13:11:25 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter The referees association have requested a transcript of this thread so they can put it in their can't do right for doing wrong collection...  |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 25, 2019 13:17:59 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter The referees association have requested a transcript of this thread so they can put it in their can't do right for doing wrong collection... Seemed a bit silly though.. surely a quiet word with the manager after the first yellow? |
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Post by greyarea on Jul 25, 2019 13:23:47 GMT 1
Game kind of petered away after the sending off. Might be a good idea in friendlies if a player has to be sent off, for another player to be allowed on - a kind of enforced substitution. Yep. I think because the 2 incidents happened within 2 1/2 mins the Darren Moore didn't have time to assess and get the lad calmed down or subbed off. Both were yellow cards. I had the perfect view of the first. Jaden Brown did a quick turn on the ball right at the same time as the Donny lad committed to the tackle. It was not a malicious tackle, the lad just go out-skilled. It meant Wright ended up making his tackle coming through the back of Brown. It was a yellow. Then 2 mins later RVLP knocked it past and beat Wright for pace and the lad just flailed and took out RVLP. A clear 2nd yellow. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 25, 2019 13:44:58 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter I have to agree with you, take a common sense approach, but referees are now required to hold the game to letter the of the law, even in a friendly. As ridiculous as this is, they face sanctions if they don't and can ultimately be fined, suspended or relegated. Wright will also be banned from the next game (though I think this only applies to friendlies). An extreme example of how stupid this ruling is, is a friendly with Charlton this season: man gets sent off, team tries to substitute him instead, referee doesn't allow it insisting they must play with ten men, opposition walk off; game abandoned. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48879439Its supposed to be a work put for both sides. I'm not condoning foul behaviour, but just eject the unruly player form the field of play and carry on. Ridiculous. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 25, 2019 13:47:39 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter I agree - I said at the time last night that the referee should have gone to Darren Moore and said he's going off so replace him now. That way the game remains a proper test because that's what you need in the pre-season friendlies.
I know it's not the letter of the law and rules have to be followed but he was already wound up from the little handbags fracas when he gave away the free-kick that led to Bacuna's goal, so common sense should have prevailed. It created a second third of the game that was effectively meaningless.
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Post by PellonTerrier on Jul 25, 2019 14:11:07 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter I agree - I said at the time last night that the referee should have gone to Darren Moore and said he's going off so replace him now. That way the game remains a proper test because that's what you need in the pre-season friendlies.
I know it's not the letter of the law and rules have to be followed but he was already wound up from the little handbags fracas when he gave away the free-kick that led to Bacuna's goal, so common sense should have prevailed. It created a second third of the game that was effectively meaningless.
I've noticed in a few of the friendlies so far that Juninho seems to get targeted for aggression, is he a bit of a wind up merchant on the field? I hope so, I've always thought we were too nice for our own good a couple of players with an edge wouldn't hurt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 14:13:25 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter I agree - I said at the time last night that the referee should have gone to Darren Moore and said he's going off so replace him now. That way the game remains a proper test because that's what you need in the pre-season friendlies. I know it's not the letter of the law and rules have to be followed but he was already wound up from the little handbags fracas when he gave away the free-kick that led to Bacuna's goal, so common sense should have prevailed. It created a second third of the game that was effectively meaningless.
I am playing devil's advocate here as I would have been happier if they had kept 11 men on the pitch but friendlies are still played by the rules of the game, and if he had been allowed to continue, and then injured somebody, the ref would have been seen to be at fault. Regardless of the game players need to learn how to conduct themselves on the field and maybe that is part of this lads pre-season training. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 25, 2019 14:22:30 GMT 1
I agree - I said at the time last night that the referee should have gone to Darren Moore and said he's going off so replace him now. That way the game remains a proper test because that's what you need in the pre-season friendlies. I know it's not the letter of the law and rules have to be followed but he was already wound up from the little handbags fracas when he gave away the free-kick that led to Bacuna's goal, so common sense should have prevailed. It created a second third of the game that was effectively meaningless.
I am playing devil's advocate here as I would have been happier if they had kept 11 men on the pitch but friendlies are still played by the rules of the game, and if he had been allowed to continue, and then injured somebody, the ref would have been seen to be at fault. Regardless of the game players need to learn how to conduct themselves on the field and maybe that is part of this lads pre-season training. Ok - tell the lad Wright that's it, you're off and in a non-friendly game, your team are down to 10 men. As this is a friendly, Darren, you can replace him to keep it a more competitive match but have a word with him about his conduct and the proper consequences. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Jul 25, 2019 14:25:59 GMT 1
I agree - I said at the time last night that the referee should have gone to Darren Moore and said he's going off so replace him now. That way the game remains a proper test because that's what you need in the pre-season friendlies. I know it's not the letter of the law and rules have to be followed but he was already wound up from the little handbags fracas when he gave away the free-kick that led to Bacuna's goal, so common sense should have prevailed. It created a second third of the game that was effectively meaningless.
I am playing devil's advocate here as I would have been happier if they had kept 11 men on the pitch but friendlies are still played by the rules of the game, and if he had been allowed to continue, and then injured somebody, the ref would have been seen to be at fault. Regardless of the game players need to learn how to conduct themselves on the field and maybe that is part of this lads pre-season training. The argument is that he shouldn't have been allowed to continue but could have been replaced. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Jul 25, 2019 14:29:56 GMT 1
Perfect opportunity to practice a system/approach against 10 men- doesn’t occur very often.
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Post by Champers on Jul 25, 2019 14:32:01 GMT 1
I agree - I said at the time last night that the referee should have gone to Darren Moore and said he's going off so replace him now. That way the game remains a proper test because that's what you need in the pre-season friendlies. I know it's not the letter of the law and rules have to be followed but he was already wound up from the little handbags fracas when he gave away the free-kick that led to Bacuna's goal, so common sense should have prevailed. It created a second third of the game that was effectively meaningless.
I've noticed in a few of the friendlies so far that Juninho seems to get targeted for aggression, is he a bit of a wind up merchant on the field? I hope so, I've always thought we were too nice for our own good a couple of players with an edge wouldn't hurt. Wasn't he the youngest player to be sent off a certain amount (3?) of times in the Eredivisie, eclipsing the record that was held by none other than his older brother, Leandro? Teams do a bit of homework on him and they'll know about this and look to exploit it. I imagine he'll be a target for the opposition wind up merchants all season. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 25, 2019 14:34:38 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter I have to agree with you, take a common sense approach, but referees are now required to hold the game to letter the of the law, even in a friendly. As ridiculous as this is, they face sanctions if they don't and can ultimately be fined, suspended or relegated. Wright will also be banned from the next game (though I think this only applies to friendlies). An extreme example of how stupid this ruling is, is a friendly with Charlton this season: man gets sent off, team tries to substitute him instead, referee doesn't allow it insisting they must play with ten men, opposition walk off; game abandoned. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48879439Its supposed to be a work put for both sides. I'm not condoning foul behaviour, but just eject the unruly player form the field of play and carry on. Ridiculous. In the same way as refs having to treat friendlies like real games I read on the BBC website that the shirt sponsorship rules also apply to friendlies now so we could still be in trouble from the FA for last week |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 25, 2019 14:35:33 GMT 1
I've noticed in a few of the friendlies so far that Juninho seems to get targeted for aggression, is he a bit of a wind up merchant on the field? I hope so, I've always thought we were too nice for our own good a couple of players with an edge wouldn't hurt. Wasn't he the youngest player to be sent off a certain amount (3?) of times in the Eredivisie, eclipsing the record that was held by none other than his older brother, Leandro? Teams do a bit of homework on him and they'll know about this and look to exploit it. I imagine he'll be a target for the opposition wind up merchants all season. The youngest to be sent off 3 times in one season |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 25, 2019 14:43:31 GMT 1
That's what should have happened imo.. what if they had gone down to 8 men ? It should be about giving us a stern workout pre season not upholding the laws if the game to the letter The referees association have requested a transcript of this thread so they can put it in their can't do right for doing wrong collection... Exactly. 😂😂 what happens when the season starts and we play a team who go down to 10 men and we can’t break them down? Blame the ref for not giving us a chance to practise and adapt to the situation facing us. Can not believe what I’m reading here |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 14:46:43 GMT 1
I am playing devil's advocate here as I would have been happier if they had kept 11 men on the pitch but friendlies are still played by the rules of the game, and if he had been allowed to continue, and then injured somebody, the ref would have been seen to be at fault. Regardless of the game players need to learn how to conduct themselves on the field and maybe that is part of this lads pre-season training. The argument is that he shouldn't have been allowed to continue but could have been replaced. But under the current rules of the game, as far as I know, friendly or not, the ref cannot make that call. He cannot tell a manager to replace a player, I don't even know if he can suggest it, he certainly can't send a player off then allow another on in his place. I don't disagree it would have been a better solution but rules is rules, so unless they change that is how it is. You do have to consider how potentially complicated that gets for referees though. With a particularly aggressive team you could be swapping one problem for another, and then another. It really is not up to the ref to manage that. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 25, 2019 14:47:56 GMT 1
The referees association have requested a transcript of this thread so they can put it in their can't do right for doing wrong collection... Seemed a bit silly though.. surely a quiet word with the manager after the first yellow? I agree with you, in the context of this being a 'friendly'. Just pointing out the obvious that Refs are getting it in the neck as usual, despite him doing the right thing. Maybe his Mgr could have made the same assessment and taken him before it got to a second yellow, rather than waiting for a prompt from the Ref? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 25, 2019 14:49:41 GMT 1
Seemed a bit silly though.. surely a quiet word with the manager after the first yellow? I agree with you, in the context of this being a 'friendly'. Just pointing out the obvious that Refs are getting it in the neck as usual, despite him doing the right thing. Maybe his Mgr could have made the same assessment and taken him before it got to a second yellow, rather than waiting for a prompt from the Ref? Agreed |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 25, 2019 14:51:51 GMT 1
I have to agree with you, take a common sense approach, but referees are now required to hold the game to letter the of the law, even in a friendly. As ridiculous as this is, they face sanctions if they don't and can ultimately be fined, suspended or relegated. Wright will also be banned from the next game (though I think this only applies to friendlies). An extreme example of how stupid this ruling is, is a friendly with Charlton this season: man gets sent off, team tries to substitute him instead, referee doesn't allow it insisting they must play with ten men, opposition walk off; game abandoned. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48879439Its supposed to be a work put for both sides. I'm not condoning foul behaviour, but just eject the unruly player form the field of play and carry on. Ridiculous. In the same way as refs having to treat friendlies like real games I read on the BBC website that the shirt sponsorship rules also apply to friendlies now so we could still be in trouble from the FA for last week If they do have a word with us I'd hope it would be a word and nothing more, but then the FA are a law unto themselves anyway & hardly the bastions of ensuring a level playing field is maintained nowadays... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:09:14 GMT 1
In the same way as refs having to treat friendlies like real games I read on the BBC website that the shirt sponsorship rules also apply to friendlies now so we could still be in trouble from the FA for last week If they do have a word with us I'd hope it would be a word and nothing more, but then the FA are a law unto themselves anyway & hardly the bastions of ensuring a level playing field is maintained nowadays... It's the FA. We are little old Huddersfield Town. If I were to ask Paddy Power for a price it's an odds on shot we are to be fined. If it was a top six club nobody would have batted an eye-lid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:12:26 GMT 1
If they do have a word with us I'd hope it would be a word and nothing more, but then the FA are a law unto themselves anyway & hardly the bastions of ensuring a level playing field is maintained nowadays... It's the FA. We are little old Huddersfield Town. If I were to ask Paddy Power for a price it's an odds on shot we are to be fined. If it was a top six club nobody would have batted an eye-lid.
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Post by canuckterrier99 on Jul 25, 2019 15:34:51 GMT 1
We could just ask the FA to deduct the fine from the compensation we're owed from the Blackpool match
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:59:16 GMT 1
It's the FA. We are little old Huddersfield Town. If I were to ask Paddy Power for a price it's an odds on shot we are to be fined. If it was a top six club nobody would have batted an eye-lid.
Odds on PP would stump up. For potential fine? Despite our love-in with them, they remain a bunch of sharks and I wouldn't be confident of that outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 16:04:22 GMT 1
Odds on PP would stump up. For potential fine? Despite our love-in with them, they remain a bunch of sharks and I wouldn't be confident of that outcome.
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 25, 2019 16:10:49 GMT 1
The referees association have requested a transcript of this thread so they can put it in their can't do right for doing wrong collection... Exactly. 😂😂 what happens when the season starts and we play a team who go down to 10 men and we can’t break them down? Blame the ref for not giving us a chance to practise and adapt to the situation facing us. Can not believe what I’m reading here Yes - but how many games do we play against 10 men in a season - 1 or 2 at most. Personally, at this stage in the pre-season, I'd rather be trying to break down a full 11 rather than 10 based upon we need the practice for those handful of games against 10 that you can count on one hand. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 25, 2019 16:16:06 GMT 1
What's the situation with Aaron Rowe then? Not been given a squad number but played RB last, according to a mate that went he played well too. Is Bockhorn still injured?
Sorry if this has already been discussed.
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Post by artysid on Jul 25, 2019 16:24:12 GMT 1
I'd rather we practiced playing with 10 men for the last 20 mins of a friendly than against 10 men, if we had a choice.
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Post by linson on Jul 25, 2019 18:00:25 GMT 1
Highlights for those interested...
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 25, 2019 21:02:22 GMT 1
Exactly. 😂😂 what happens when the season starts and we play a team who go down to 10 men and we can’t break them down? Blame the ref for not giving us a chance to practise and adapt to the situation facing us. Can not believe what I’m reading here Yes - but how many games do we play against 10 men in a season - 1 or 2 at most. Personally, at this stage in the pre-season, I'd rather be trying to break down a full 11 rather than 10 based upon we need the practice for those handful of games against 10 that you can count on one hand. Doesn’t matter mate. It’s about adapting to what the game throws at you. Not many games go to plan. More experience means development so in my opinion the ref did right |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 26, 2019 2:07:50 GMT 1
A very comfortable work-out. My views, for what they're worth : Grabara - classy and confident in everything he did. 2 excellent, 1 good save' Superb handling and judgement. Stankovic - comfortable and quyite classy - but just a bit slow,. Rees-Brown - plenty of promise. Could be a good one. Bacuna - experienced beyond his years. Got a bit of everything - tackles, thinks, fights, finishes. Excellent. VLP - superb goal, but exasperating at times. If he was consistent/had an end product he's be worth a place in the team. O'Brien - impressed me again in his second half appearance. Runs with the ball, tackles like a terrier. One for the future. Kachunga - never stopped runnibg - don't know where he'll fit in in the team, but not a number 9. For me just doesn't have that "goal flair". Quaner - for me, not a striker in a million years - just as likely to delay/do an airshot/trip up BUT he did pass the ball to VLP for his goal. A lot of positives overall, and the weaklnesses we know about already. Rowe - did not disgrace himself and one for the future, not just yet. Daly - similar. You can only beat what's in front of you and we did that comfortably, increasing our winning "habit". Mbenza - not much time to impress - tracked back well but looked a bit leggy when attacking down the wing. ****Pedant alert**** Its Reece Brown (first name Reece, suname Brown) not some sort of double barreled Rees-Mogg bastardisation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 6:05:59 GMT 1
A very comfortable work-out. My views, for what they're worth : Grabara - classy and confident in everything he did. 2 excellent, 1 good save' Superb handling and judgement. Stankovic - comfortable and quyite classy - but just a bit slow,. Rees-Brown - plenty of promise. Could be a good one. Bacuna - experienced beyond his years. Got a bit of everything - tackles, thinks, fights, finishes. Excellent. VLP - superb goal, but exasperating at times. If he was consistent/had an end product he's be worth a place in the team. O'Brien - impressed me again in his second half appearance. Runs with the ball, tackles like a terrier. One for the future. Kachunga - never stopped runnibg - don't know where he'll fit in in the team, but not a number 9. For me just doesn't have that "goal flair". Quaner - for me, not a striker in a million years - just as likely to delay/do an airshot/trip up BUT he did pass the ball to VLP for his goal. A lot of positives overall, and the weaklnesses we know about already. Rowe - did not disgrace himself and one for the future, not just yet. Daly - similar. You can only beat what's in front of you and we did that comfortably, increasing our winning "habit". Mbenza - not much time to impress - tracked back well but looked a bit leggy when attacking down the wing. ****Pedant alert**** Its Reece Brown (first name Reece, suname Brown) not some sort of double barreled Rees-Mogg bastardisation. Rees-Mogg and bastardisation, what an apt coupling. Note to oneself, stay out of politics slap on wrist.  |
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