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Post by greyarea on Jul 23, 2019 4:34:01 GMT 1
I think Billing will be gone in the next 72hrs for around £15Million+25% sell on. Smith went for £4Milliion. Zanka will be gone and I anticipate for around £4 to £5Million.
I accept Hodgkinson saying that the books have been balanced under Hoyle so that there isn't a huge pile of money, everything is covered and the value of the team is much higher than when we went up. He also said it didn't mean that we didn't have a transfer budget (sorry for the double negative).
I'd estimate we will have around £20-25Million available if required in January or for next summer. If Mooy or Konogolo did leave, the money would be added to the budget.
It feels we are in a good position for the the coming season.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 23, 2019 7:52:53 GMT 1
You seem to have ruled out signing anyone on this window greyarea. Which seems a bit defeatist mate
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Post by detox on Jul 23, 2019 7:54:05 GMT 1
when does the window shut ?
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Post by paulsg on Jul 23, 2019 8:17:11 GMT 1
August 8th, 5.00 pm
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Post by mids on Jul 23, 2019 8:27:41 GMT 1
when does the window shut ? When does greyarea stop starting random posts on his musings during the early hours? Especially as he rarely contributes to them afterwards. Weird. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 23, 2019 8:38:21 GMT 1
Thats a grey area
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 23, 2019 8:48:33 GMT 1
when does the window shut ? At the moment it needs opening wider, I'm sweating my b*****ks off at work right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 8:48:57 GMT 1
Most of the Billing cash has already been spent on eBay seller's fees and the 300m of blue carpet around the pitch.
I don't think we need to buy anyone to replace Billing. He came through our academy after signing as a 17 year old (I think). I'd be happy to ringfence the money he brings in to pay for very many tribunal fees to sign promising 16/17 year olds for years into the future.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 23, 2019 9:12:17 GMT 1
Most of the Billing cash has already been spent on eBay seller's fees and the 300m of blue carpet around the pitch. I don't think we need to buy anyone to replace Billing. He came through our academy after signing as a 17 year old (I think). I'd be happy to ringfence the money he brings in to pay for very many tribunal fees to sign promising 16/17 year olds for years into the future. That's some roll end... Unless we went down the posh route and bought made to measure... |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 23, 2019 9:17:01 GMT 1
when does the window shut ? When does greyarea stop starting random posts on his musings during the early hours? Especially as he rarely contributes to them afterwards. Weird. You can often tell a greyarea thread by its title. Very Newsnowesque....... |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 23, 2019 9:53:27 GMT 1
I think Billing will be gone in the next 72hrs for around £15Million+25% sell on. Smith went for £4Milliion. Zanka will be gone and I anticipate for around £4 to £5Million. I accept Hodgkinson saying that the books have been balanced under Hoyle so that there isn't a huge pile of money, everything is covered and the value of the team is much higher than when we went up. He also said it didn't mean that we didn't have a transfer budget (sorry for the double negative). I'd estimate we will have around £20-25Million available if required in January or for next summer. If Mooy or Konogolo did leave, the money would be added to the budget. It feels we are in a good position for the the coming season. We also took a sizeable loan fee for Sobhi - they offered £750k for him but we wanted more - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-stoke-city-ramadan-16541275Loewe also went for a small amount I reckon between Sobhi and Loewe there's probably another £1m in fees We also could make a windfall on Lolley if he's sold as there's rumoured to be a sell on clause there |
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Post by buckers on Jul 23, 2019 9:55:50 GMT 1
when does the window shut ? At the moment it needs opening wider, I'm sweating my b*****ks off at work right now. Tis warm |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 10:47:21 GMT 1
Aww I love a good 11pm transfer window closing night. Such high drama to watch unfold with the yellow ties and blouses on SSN  |
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Post by Killer on Jul 23, 2019 10:50:35 GMT 1
Most of the Billing cash has already been spent on eBay seller's fees and the 300m of blue carpet around the pitch. I don't think we need to buy anyone to replace Billing. He came through our academy after signing as a 17 year old (I think). I'd be happy to ringfence the money he brings in to pay for very many tribunal fees to sign promising 16/17 year olds for years into the future. Would run the academy for another 12-15 years.
Gerrit back up and running FFS!
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Post by greyarea on Jul 23, 2019 11:54:13 GMT 1
When does greyarea stop starting random posts on his musings during the early hours? Especially as he rarely contributes to them afterwards. Weird. You can often tell a greyarea thread by its title. Very Newsnowesque....... Morning Mids and Epsom, Its to do with my sleeping patterns, times I fall asleep because of my work hours. I'm often awake in the early hours and will be looking at Twitter, watching things on youtube (most recently about futurism&the Apollo missions and the great Viv Richards) and generally thinking about things especially Town. An idea, thought crosses my mind which I think might be of interest to discuss and so post a thread about it. I'll then fall asleep and wake mid morning. Like now. Epsomterrier, please don't consider myself as anything like that twonk who supernovak who seemed to want to just make stuff up for his/her own peculiar end. To be honest I just ignored him/her as nonsense rumours and didn't even consider the poster until there was that thread with his/her reveal. Which I just though'oh' and promptly ignored. So its usually late night thoughts that I don't get chance to return too until mid-morning or afternoon. Greyarea is a nod to one of my favorite authors Iain M Banks. Sadly died far too early. ---------- On the subject, as Hodgkinson said in the Q&A. It will be a transfer window that might go down to the final hours, with regards to Mooy and Kongolo, I'd make a guess that the replacement would be a loan with a view to a permanent signing in January. Simply because of time factors. |
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Post by willo on Jul 23, 2019 13:15:49 GMT 1
I thought we were told not to expect any big signings this summer unless we first sold one of our better players for big money. Fair enough although how we can spend 2 years in the Premier League with all the wealth there and appear to come down with virtually a zero transfer budget even after taking into account players wages (which I was led to believe are significantly less due to relegation anyway) I couldn’t quite figure out. But should we sell Billing (or anyone else), all the money generated should be ploughed back into both the future and present transfer kitty. No excuses.
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 23, 2019 13:37:27 GMT 1
Most of the Billing cash has already been spent on eBay seller's fees and the 300m of blue carpet around the pitch. I don't think we need to buy anyone to replace Billing. He came through our academy after signing as a 17 year old (I think). I'd be happy to ringfence the money he brings in to pay for very many tribunal fees to sign promising 16/17 year olds for years into the future. Would run the academy for another 12-15 years.
Gerrit back up and running FFS!
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Post by CaptainHart on Jul 23, 2019 14:01:10 GMT 1
I thought we were told not to expect any big signings this summer unless we first sold one of our better players for big money. Fair enough although how we can spend 2 years in the Premier League with all the wealth there and appear to come down with virtually a zero transfer budget even after taking into account players wages (which I was led to believe are significantly less due to relegation anyway) I couldn’t quite figure out. But should we sell Billing (or anyone else), all the money generated should be ploughed back into both the future and present transfer kitty. No excuses. We did buy and pay players while we were in the Premier. |
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Post by willo on Jul 23, 2019 14:16:54 GMT 1
I thought we were told not to expect any big signings this summer unless we first sold one of our better players for big money. Fair enough although how we can spend 2 years in the Premier League with all the wealth there and appear to come down with virtually a zero transfer budget even after taking into account players wages (which I was led to believe are significantly less due to relegation anyway) I couldn’t quite figure out. But should we sell Billing (or anyone else), all the money generated should be ploughed back into both the future and present transfer kitty. No excuses. We did buy and pay players while we were in the Premier. Granted (no pun intended) but I thought we might have done a little better than to have broken even from our spell in the top flight. It does look like that when we seem to be spending no significant amount this summer, and I ain’t talking bout 15-20m either. |
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 23, 2019 14:25:26 GMT 1
PH said in the recent Q &A that in the two years we had in the PL we spend £100mil on transfers and £100 mil in salaries (not including promotion or survival bonuses), on top of that it cost us £15mil to get the ground upto PL standards.
He said that Deano had to put in an additional £20-£30 mil over the two years!
If that’s true the PL financial promise land is a fallacy.
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Post by mids on Jul 23, 2019 14:25:52 GMT 1
You can often tell a greyarea thread by its title. Very Newsnowesque....... Morning Mids and Epsom, Its to do with my sleeping patterns, times I fall asleep because of my work hours. I'm often awake in the early hours and will be looking at Twitter, watching things on youtube (most recently about futurism&the Apollo missions and the great Viv Richards) and generally thinking about things especially Town. An idea, thought crosses my mind which I think might be of interest to discuss and so post a thread about it. I'll then fall asleep and wake mid morning. Like now. Epsomterrier, please don't consider myself as anything like that twonk who supernovak who seemed to want to just make stuff up for his/her own peculiar end. To be honest I just ignored him/her as nonsense rumours and didn't even consider the poster until there was that thread with his/her reveal. Which I just though'oh' and promptly ignored. So its usually late night thoughts that I don't get chance to return too until mid-morning or afternoon. Greyarea is a nod to one of my favorite authors Iain M Banks. Sadly died far too early. ---------- On the subject, as Hodgkinson said in the Q&A. It will be a transfer window that might go down to the final hours, with regards to Mooy and Kongolo, I'd make a guess that the replacement would be a loan with a view to a permanent signing in January. Simply because of time factors. You're like a diet version of the Examiner or Blake Welton...clickbait triviality  but each to their own I suppose |
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Post by CaptainHart on Jul 23, 2019 14:34:53 GMT 1
We did buy and pay players while we were in the Premier. Granted (no pun intended) but I thought we might have done a little better than to have broken even from our spell in the top flight. It does look like that when we seem to be spending no significant amount this summer, and I ain’t talking bout 15-20m either. I would guess that we haven't done a great deal better than break even. The club's policy has been to put together a decent squad without Billing and Zanka, that's what we've got. The biggest threat now is losing players before the window, it's better to keep the money to improve our chances of getting replacements or persuade our players to stay. Besides which I don't see what position we'd be throwing significant amounts of money at at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:35:58 GMT 1
PH said in the recent Q &A that in the two years we had in the PL we spend £100mil on transfers and £100 mil in salaries (not including promotion or survival bonuses), on top of that it cost us £15mil to get the ground upto PL standards. He said that Deano had to put in an additional £20-£30 mil over the two years! If that’s true the PL financial promise land is a fallacy.
Reading between the lines I think PH is being a bit liberal with the truth in these numbers and his 'somebody got the maths a bit wrong' quip was a dig at our current FD who looks like he's on borrowed time given PH has brought his own man onto the board.
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Post by swollentoe on Jul 23, 2019 14:36:39 GMT 1
PH said in the recent Q &A that in the two years we had in the PL we spend £100mil on transfers and £100 mil in salaries (not including promotion or survival bonuses), on top of that it cost us £15mil to get the ground upto PL standards. He said that Deano had to put in an additional £20-£30 mil over the two years! If that’s true the PL financial promise land is a fallacy. And Fulham spent that in one season in the PL |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 23, 2019 14:44:42 GMT 1
PH said in the recent Q &A that in the two years we had in the PL we spend £100mil on transfers and £100 mil in salaries (not including promotion or survival bonuses), on top of that it cost us £15mil to get the ground upto PL standards. He said that Deano had to put in an additional £20-£30 mil over the two years! If that’s true the PL financial promise land is a fallacy. Its not a fallacy but more a case of how you spend it. After making a £20m plus profit in the first season (see official accounts), they then went on to waste millions last season on players who weren't good enough for the PL. Had we survived and progressed last season then our share of the Sky pot would be double what it will be this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:16:58 GMT 1
PH said in the recent Q &A that in the two years we had in the PL we spend £100mil on transfers and £100 mil in salaries (not including promotion or survival bonuses), on top of that it cost us £15mil to get the ground upto PL standards. He said that Deano had to put in an additional £20-£30 mil over the two years! If that’s true the PL financial promise land is a fallacy. Its not a fallacy but more a case of how you spend it. After making a £20m plus profit in the first season (see official accounts), they then went on to waste millions last season on players who weren't good enough for the PL. Had we survived and progressed last season then our share of the Sky pot would be double what it will be this season. From a P&L viewpoint, the money 'wasted' last season is only truly deemed so if we do not recover any of it on re-sales... fees paid are amortised over contract length. If MBenza and Diakhaby have a good season there's no reason we couldn't still turn a profit on them. We had pretty much the same income bar prize-money, we won't have paid out a bonus for staying up. Personally I see another profit to report for last season.
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Post by richhtfc on Jul 23, 2019 15:31:35 GMT 1
PH said in the recent Q &A that in the two years we had in the PL we spend £100mil on transfers and £100 mil in salaries (not including promotion or survival bonuses), on top of that it cost us £15mil to get the ground upto PL standards. He said that Deano had to put in an additional £20-£30 mil over the two years! If that’s true the PL financial promise land is a fallacy. There's no way we spent £15m on getting the ground up to PL standards, I'd be surprised if we spent £1.5m. The stadium only cost £40m to build from the ground up. |
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Post by townatheart on Jul 23, 2019 15:51:44 GMT 1
PH said in the recent Q &A that in the two years we had in the PL we spend £100mil on transfers and £100 mil in salaries (not including promotion or survival bonuses), on top of that it cost us £15mil to get the ground upto PL standards. He said that Deano had to put in an additional £20-£30 mil over the two years! If that’s true the PL financial promise land is a fallacy. There's no way we spent £15m on getting the ground up to PL standards, I'd be surprised if we spent £1.5m. The stadium only cost £40m to build from the ground up. While I am famous for a poor memory bank, and much to lazy to troll back thru old news, but I seem to recall a figure between 3 - 5M as the costs of required upgrades. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 23, 2019 16:14:45 GMT 1
Its not a fallacy but more a case of how you spend it. After making a £20m plus profit in the first season (see official accounts), they then went on to waste millions last season on players who weren't good enough for the PL. Had we survived and progressed last season then our share of the Sky pot would be double what it will be this season. From a P&L viewpoint, the money 'wasted' last season is only truly deemed so if we do not recover any of it on re-sales... fees paid are amortised over contract length. If MBenza and Diakhaby have a good season there's no reason we couldn't still turn a profit on them. We had pretty much the same income bar prize-money, we won't have paid out a bonus for staying up. Personally I see another profit to report for last season.
The reason I said "wasted millions" is that the players signed weren't good enough for what was required at the time and therefore we've missed out on the extra money we'd have received if we'd stayed up. We might make a profit on some of them but then again we might not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 16:19:07 GMT 1
There's no way we spent £15m on getting the ground up to PL standards, I'd be surprised if we spent £1.5m. The stadium only cost £40m to build from the ground up. While I am famous for a poor memory bank, and much to lazy to troll back thru old news, but I seem to recall a figure between 3 - 5M as the costs of required upgrades. Main work was on the TV gantry I guess? Then press room Dugouts Floodlighting tweaks Floating segregation in SS. Possibly purchase of pitch 'false' lighting....I know we were using these late in Championship season, but I'd imagine that was a hire. White seats that sat in storage.
I can envisage a tidy sum there of £3-£5m as quoted, but £15m is taking the piddle.
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