To be fair to Big Phil

[wigster]

I must admit I'm not a great fan of Big Phil as yet - seems a bit arrogant and other things I read about him - but to be fair I think he's only partially to blame.

We seem to have come out of our two years in the Premier league in a considerably worse position than when we went in - nothing to do with PH. There have been some ground improvements which are to be welcomed, although even Dean Hoyle said that the stadium has been neglected for years.

When we went into the Premier league I really wasn't expecting it to be the answer to all our prayers but I did think it would give us a sound financial footing - superior to most in the Championship for example - for several years and that, if the worst came to the worst and we were relegated, then we'd go down with a squad that had a reasonable chance of realistically aiming for promotion again.

That is patently not the case - I would actually argue that if Schindler and Kongolo leave - which I don't think is unrealistic - we're left with a squad that is hardly that inspiring, and with players that are certainly not proven as yet. Grant is the exception, but if he continues to score - in spite of next to no service - he'll be long gone.

Most accept, I think, that our transfer dealings over the last two years have been nothing short of awful - not Phil's fault - and the way we gave up our Premier league position was pathetic - again not Phil's fault.We have been left with a lot of players who have failed to deliver - we all know them, from those who were in our promotion year to those more recently arrived - and these players are on big contracts (even with the supposed relegation reductions).I don't blame them for staying but I'd hoped I'd never see them playing for Town this season.

I naively thought that 2 years in the Premier league would, financially, mean that we had some clout in the transfer market this season - again, not enough to splash out £20m on a striker but certainly meaning that we didn't just have to bring in players from lower divisions or non-league (nothing against them at all), and I welcome this type of transfer dealing IF it is backed up by bringing in more "proven" players. It seems that over the close season we haven't been able to bring in tried and trusted Championship players - the monies from the last two years have been spoken for. Again, not PH's fault.

When I saw the new Chairman's statement about "3 windows" I found it uninspiring and depressing - surely we can be more positive and ambitious - but perhaps he is right. Through no fault of his we do seem to have reverted back to that small club where mid-table mediocrity is to be expected (I might actually welcome it this season...).

So all in all Big Phil has been dealt a rather weak hand. We haven't had money to splash out and have cut the cloth accordingly.

What happens from now on IS of course PH's responsibility - do we spend the Billing/Mooy money ? is Siewert totally out of his depth ? I live in Burnley - I know they're always quoted - but their approach when relegated was a bit different to ours. For one thing they had Sean Dyche and one disruptive word from VLP,one avoiding a header from Quaner, one dive from Flo (Barnes dives but to some effect), one lack of application from Mbenza or Diakhaby and they'd be in the reserves or on their way. Burnley went more for experience - I see Barnes scored another two yesterday - throughout the team - we seem to be going for younger players.

I think that we're in for quite a long period of consolidation, at best, or struggle at worst. This unfortunately seems to be a direct result of our Premier league stay, not in spite of it, and for that other people, not the new Chairman, are to blame.

[terrier25]

Burnley keep being quoted as the example to follow. What people seem to forget is that after their first spell in the PL, it took them 4 seasons to get back up. They bounced straight back up woth Dyche after their 2nd relegation.

Hull took 3 seasons to go back up.

[deadleg]

Agree with every word of the OP pretty much.

There's always been a tendency on here to try and boil things down to one or two scapegoats at a time in the hope that seeing the back of them will magically fix things but it's rarely that simple. There's a lot of responsibility to go round for the situation we find ourselves in and, as beloved as they are (with justification), Wagner and Deano have to take their share along with the others who've been in positions of influence behind the scenes.

We've just got far too much wrong across the board these past two years and the worst thing is there's not even a great deal of hindsight in that, much of it seemed self-evident to many at the time.

There's no point in dwelling on it really but it's hard to do anything else when the trajectory doesn't seem to be changing at all.

[arroloui]

Its Dean's fault for selling our club to this dickhead..

[Nickhudds.UTT]

Whats our model now ? Even nick cant see one ?
We shut the academy
Signed cheap crap players
The manager just does what he likes and also treats some players like shit !

Airfix model ?

[rastrick32]

Is Phil really big? I've not noticed. Big Sam isn't really that big. What constitutes big? Unless we are talking about other parts of the body. Then it should be three legged Phil. Or long Phil. Or thick Phil. Or folded Phil.

[goodbet]

We are where we are, so do we need to work out how we got in to such a position? Or should someone workout how to get back on track.

The decline obviously started before big Phil got here. So, we can't put the blame of getting here, down to him.
I think that his problem is that he took over when we were in free fall and the way his takeover has been handled, has left a few questions to be answered. I am not bothered how much money he has but I would like to know as some people have surmised, if the buying of the club is through the club funds.

We were led to believe that we were a well-run club and the money we had was being well spent with an eye on the future. Lots of words were spoken about following Burnley’s example and I for one thought we were at least aiming to be a yoyo club.

So we are selling off players some of which are reputed to be bad eggs and end up buying players with potential for bargain amounts. This may be a good idea in the long run but with a team as lopsided as ours and the lack of players in key areas and we could end up slipping down the football ladder it seems that we have not thought our situation through as well as we might have.

In summary it is more important that the club come clean on what our situation is and work out a plan to move us forward, rather than apparently drifting around scraping funds together attempting to patch a team together just to stay where we are. I believe that the club are hoping that lightning will strike twice and we can get back up on a wing and a prayer.

[haveitback]

It's all a bit of a shambles at the moment, well that's what it looks like imo anyway, I've tried to stay positive, But yesterday's first half tactics for me summed up JS doesnt really know what he's doing.
As for PH I firmly believe that the sales of Phil billing and Smith plus the loss of wages of losl, Lowe and others and recruiting replacements on prob significant less wages is going towards the running costs of this season and that a sale in principle with Brighton for Mooy at the end of this season will go a significant way to covering the running costs of next season.
This brings me to believe that the rumours prior to PH takeover are true and he has no cash in terms of affordability to run this club despite the income from player sales and parachute Payments.
With the apparent lack of finances the sale of players and the comedy factor on the touchline iam becoming increasingly concerned.

[Deleted]

To be fair I don't disagree with the three windows comment, it will take that long to readjust as player's existing contracts expire. The wage bill needs to come down still because we can not just assume we will get back to the Premier League.

However we were told one out one in before I believe Smith left, Smith and Lowe left and neither were replaced so we are playing a 17 million pound player in what most consider to not be his best position until at least January. On top of that Billing left for a large fee and we did not do anything with any of that money.

We have 2 Premier League loans to show for all that and while they may both be good players (time will tell) I would have hoped a dedicated left back would have been signed.

The Mooy situation is a difficult one for the club to handle and I think they have tried to make the best of it. He wanted to play in the Premier League, he gets to do that but we keep hold of him as an asset so he can't walk for free next year. I expect he will do well and that he will not play for Town again but who knows.

My frustration is not with Phil it is with Siewart who thinks he is gods gift to Football Management even though he has only won 1 game in close to 20! Even allowing for the situation he came into I just don't see him turning this around at all. He does not research opposition teams before we play them, he is proud of making a change at half time (if he had done his research maybe we would have started better). He plays the same formation regardless of who he has to select for the team. I think he is clueless and I will be shocked if things improve before he leaves even though for the sake of the club I hope things do get better.

[Deleted]

Aug 11, 2019 12:56:21 GMT 1 wigster said:

I must admit I'm not a great fan of Big Phil as yet - seems a bit arrogant and other things I read about him - but to be fair I think he's only partially to blame.

We seem to have come out of our two years in the Premier league in a considerably worse position than when we went in - nothing to do with PH. There have been some ground improvements which are to be welcomed, although even Dean Hoyle said that the stadium has been neglected for years.

When we went into the Premier league I really wasn't expecting it to be the answer to all our prayers but I did think it would give us a sound financial footing - superior to most in the Championship for example - for several years and that, if the worst came to the worst and we were relegated, then we'd go down with a squad that had a reasonable chance of realistically aiming for promotion again.

That is patently not the case - I would actually argue that if Schindler and Kongolo leave - which I don't think is unrealistic - we're left with a squad that is hardly that inspiring, and with players that are certainly not proven as yet. Grant is the exception, but if he continues to score - in spite of next to no service - he'll be long gone.

Most accept, I think, that our transfer dealings over the last two years have been nothing short of awful - not Phil's fault - and the way we gave up our Premier league position was pathetic - again not Phil's fault.We have been left with a lot of players who have failed to deliver - we all know them, from those who were in our promotion year to those more recently arrived - and these players are on big contacts (even with the supposed relegation reductions).I don't blame them for staying but I'd hoped I'd never see them playing for Town this season.

I naively thought that 2 years in the Premier league would, financially, mean that we had some clout in the transfer market this season - again, not enough to splash out £20m on a striker but certainly meaning that we didn't just have to bring in players from lower divisions or non-league (nothing against them at all), and I welcome this type of transfer dealing IF it is backed up by bringing in more "proven" players. It seems that over the close season we haven't been able to bring in tried and trusted Championship players - the monies from the last two years have been spoken for. Again, not PH's fault.

When I saw the new Chairman's statement about "3 windows" I found it uninspiring and depressing - surely we can be more positive and ambitious - but perhaps he is right. Through no fault of his we do seem to have reverted back to that small club where mid-table mediocrity is to be expected (I might actually welcome it this season...).

So all in all Big Phil has been dealt a rather weak hand. We haven't had money to splash out and have cut the cloth accordingly.

What happens from now on IS of course PH's responsibility - do we spend the Billing/Mooy money ? is Siewert totally out of his depth ? I live in Burnley - I know they're always quoted - but their approach when relegated was a bit different to ours. For one thing they had Sean Dyche and one disruptive word from VLP,one avoiding a header from Quaner, one dive from Flo (Barnes dives but to some effect), one lack of application from Mbenza or Diakhaby and they'd be in the reserves or on their way. Burnley went more for experience - I see Barnes scored another two yesterday - throughout the team - we seem to be going for younger players.

I think that we're in for quite a long period of consolidation, at best, or struggle at worst. This unfortunately seems to be a direct result of our Premier league stay, not in spite of it, and for that other people, not the new Chairman, are to blame.

Stop talking sense.

I’ve slated him but there is a bigger picture and it starts with who was keeping tabs on this gym teacher

[Mastercracker]

DH needs to be held responsible for some it. Absolutely zero criticism can be levelled at him for the period of his illness and he remains the best chairman we’ve ever had, but he’s the one who tasked DW with keeping achieving a 3rd miracle running with a wage bill 25% under the next lowest. Yes it’s a billionaires playground and we absolute couldn’t keep pace with Bournemouth but Burnley was the direct comparison and their owner is worth about £100m tops. We made a £23m profit or something, money that was presumed to be for the training ground...which then didn’t start for ages. Why wasn’t that being built the day after Chelsea?

They also found it within their capabilities to keep most players as well as signing Andre Gray for circa £10m last time they got relegated. They pissed the league.

[Up the Duff.]

It concerned me hearing that our target this season was to see us winning again... Nothing more. That to me meant quite simply that we had no serious thoughts about actual promotion.

My opinion, maybe it didn't mean that. I would however have preferred to hear....win some games and have a real go for the play offs.

[Deleted]

Aug 11, 2019 13:27:26 GMT 1 terrier25 said:

Burnley keep being quoted as the example to follow. What people seem to forget is that after their first spell in the PL, it took them 4 seasons to get back up. They bounced straight back up woth Dyche after their 2nd relegation.

Hull took 3 seasons to go back up.

Realistically it's the same for us but we have to stay in this league during this time. That is the current problem

[tvor]

Aug 11, 2019 12:56:21 GMT 1 wigster said:

I must admit I'm not a great fan of Big Phil as yet - seems a bit arrogant and other things I read about him - but to be fair I think he's only partially to blame.

We seem to have come out of our two years in the Premier league in a considerably worse position than when we went in - nothing to do with PH. There have been some ground improvements which are to be welcomed, although even Dean Hoyle said that the stadium has been neglected for years.

When we went into the Premier league I really wasn't expecting it to be the answer to all our prayers but I did think it would give us a sound financial footing - superior to most in the Championship for example - for several years and that, if the worst came to the worst and we were relegated, then we'd go down with a squad that had a reasonable chance of realistically aiming for promotion again.

That is patently not the case - I would actually argue that if Schindler and Kongolo leave - which I don't think is unrealistic - we're left with a squad that is hardly that inspiring, and with players that are certainly not proven as yet. Grant is the exception, but if he continues to score - in spite of next to no service - he'll be long gone.

Most accept, I think, that our transfer dealings over the last two years have been nothing short of awful - not Phil's fault - and the way we gave up our Premier league position was pathetic - again not Phil's fault.We have been left with a lot of players who have failed to deliver - we all know them, from those who were in our promotion year to those more recently arrived - and these players are on big contacts (even with the supposed relegation reductions).I don't blame them for staying but I'd hoped I'd never see them playing for Town this season.

I naively thought that 2 years in the Premier league would, financially, mean that we had some clout in the transfer market this season - again, not enough to splash out £20m on a striker but certainly meaning that we didn't just have to bring in players from lower divisions or non-league (nothing against them at all), and I welcome this type of transfer dealing IF it is backed up by bringing in more "proven" players. It seems that over the close season we haven't been able to bring in tried and trusted Championship players - the monies from the last two years have been spoken for. Again, not PH's fault.

When I saw the new Chairman's statement about "3 windows" I found it uninspiring and depressing - surely we can be more positive and ambitious - but perhaps he is right. Through no fault of his we do seem to have reverted back to that small club where mid-table mediocrity is to be expected (I might actually welcome it this season...).

So all in all Big Phil has been dealt a rather weak hand. We haven't had money to splash out and have cut the cloth accordingly.

What happens from now on IS of course PH's responsibility - do we spend the Billing/Mooy money ? is Siewert totally out of his depth ? I live in Burnley - I know they're always quoted - but their approach when relegated was a bit different to ours. For one thing they had Sean Dyche and one disruptive word from VLP,one avoiding a header from Quaner, one dive from Flo (Barnes dives but to some effect), one lack of application from Mbenza or Diakhaby and they'd be in the reserves or on their way. Burnley went more for experience - I see Barnes scored another two yesterday - throughout the team - we seem to be going for younger players.

I think that we're in for quite a long period of consolidation, at best, or struggle at worst. This unfortunately seems to be a direct result of our Premier league stay, not in spite of it, and for that other people, not the new Chairman, are to blame.

I think most Town fans recognise that we would not blow all of the incoming transfer cash on new players but one or two more experienced but cheaper players seems a reasonable expectation doesn’t it? The other question is whether the three transfer window transition includes January. We’ve heard before that January isn’t the best time to bring players in (cough, Puncheon) because of inflated demands but the type of players will depend on whether we are in with a sniff of promotion, a chance of relegation or somewhere in between. 

[Deleted]

Aug 11, 2019 15:45:52 GMT 1 Up the Duff. said:

It concerned me hearing that our target this season was to see us winning again... Nothing more. That to me meant quite simply that we had no serious thoughts about actual promotion.

My opinion, maybe it didn't mean that. I would however have preferred to hear....win some games and have a real go for the play offs.

Win some games would do for now. For him to say 'then our aim is to get to the play offs' at this stage would be another plank to beat him with if we end up mid table.

[kiwiblue]

This whole "three transfer windows" thing and how the money from players sales hasn't been splashed about - I'm hoping/wondering if the cash is being held back until David Webb has had a chance to put his stamp on things, so another 2 windows to go before we can realistically be in a position to have another crack at getting into the big league??

Or then again, I could be talking pure tripe?

[galpharm2400]

Aug 11, 2019 19:42:56 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Aug 11, 2019 15:45:52 GMT 1 Up the Duff. said:

It concerned me hearing that our target this season was to see us winning again... Nothing more. That to me meant quite simply that we had no serious thoughts about actual promotion.

My opinion, maybe it didn't mean that. I would however have preferred to hear....win some games and have a real go for the play offs.

Win some games would do for now. For him to say 'then our aim is to get to the play offs' at this stage would be another plank to beat him with if we end up mid table.

Saying or not saying, doing or not doing will be a stick to beat the club with.
I would only advise that putting people who make decisions in a no win situation is incredibly stupid and almost always counter productive.
We have sacked a bloke who managed the longest unbeaten run ever and we did not sack the bloke who managed the longest losing streak?
Supporter pressure is quite often very unhelpful.
The chairman did openly state it would take more than one window and that does smack of some sort of longer term plan?
Had we sold Mooy, Kongolo, Schindler and Mounie for proper money at a proper time in this window then things may have been very different.
I think a lot of the support missed this very worrying fact? J

[Stiggy]

By three transfer windows I think he means by then we'll have rid off all current players on high wages, they'll then be replaced with mediocre players on shit wages.

That's how he plans to run the club because he has no cash to invest.

[dugnet]

Wigster has really summed up our position pretty accurately, with the window closed we really have to work with what we have.

PH should have seen the bigger picture before the window closed and addressed our weaknesses. He seems to think that keeping a couple of bug earners was enough but if that is at the expense of areas where we need additional resources that seems a questionable policy. As I say we can't change it much now.

Because we can't change much I fear it gives Siewert another excuse for failings on the pitch. I don't see us being much better than yesterday, which isn't an enthralling prospect really.

We all hoped the Premier League would move us forward, sadly we seem to heading back to where we came from. Which isn't enthralling either.

I'm back to hoping for the best but expecting the worst ie we end up a struggling Championship side.

PH didn't come to be average....

[overtonterrierspirit]

Aug 11, 2019 20:27:12 GMT 1 Stiggy said:

By three transfer windows I think he means by then we'll have rid off all current players on high wages, they'll then be replaced with mediocre players on shit wages.

That's how he plans to run the club because he has no cash to invest.

And that is precisely why there is so much unrest at the moment.
Hard to disagree that this is exactly what it looks like.

[space hardware]

Aug 11, 2019 20:31:16 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Wigster has really summed up our position pretty accurately, with the window closed we really have to work with what we have.

PH should have seen the bigger picture before the window closed and addressed our weaknesses. He seems to think that keeping a couple of bug earners was enough but if that is at the expense of areas where we need additional resources that seems a questionable policy. As I say we can't change it much now.

Because we can't change much I fear it gives Siewert another excuse for failings on the pitch. I don't see us being much better than yesterday, which isn't an enthralling prospect really.

We all hoped the Premier League would move us forward, sadly we seem to heading back to where we came from. Which isn't enthralling either.

I'm back to hoping for the best but expecting the worst ie we end up a struggling Championship side.

PH didn't come to be average....

That's probably the only thing he's said that's not blatant bullshit. He's certainly not been as good as average.

[Wingman]

Aug 11, 2019 20:27:12 GMT 1 Stiggy said:

By three transfer windows I think he means by then we'll have rid off all current players on high wages, they'll then be replaced with mediocre players on shit wages.

That's how he plans to run the club because he has no cash to invest.

The players have all had huge % decreases built in too, so the wage bill has been trimmed drastically. This is not an excuse IMO for PH, of course we must cut our cloth accordingly but we've spaffed an amount on Winkler, and now Bell. Surely some foresight would have seen Winkler wasn't for us? And that self same foresight should have seen Kongolo is better at CB.

It seems the Manager doesn't look at historial performances to realise where weaknesses are.

[Deleted]

Aug 11, 2019 14:07:56 GMT 1 Nickhudds.UTT said:

Whats our model now ? Even nick cant see one ?
We shut the academy
Signed cheap crap players
The manager just does what he likes and also treats some players like shit !

Airfix model ?

How can you possibly have problems with shutting an academy that produced virtually fuck all at first team level over a decade, compared to having 4 or 5 current development team players on the verge of pushing for the first team at Championship level after only a couple of years?

[Deleted]

Aug 11, 2019 21:13:41 GMT 1 @delroyspipe said:

Aug 11, 2019 14:07:56 GMT 1 Nickhudds.UTT said:

Whats our model now ? Even nick cant see one ?
We shut the academy
Signed cheap crap players
The manager just does what he likes and also treats some players like shit !

Airfix model ?

How can you possibly have problems with shutting an academy that produced virtually fuck all at first team level over a decade, compared to having 4 or 5 current development team players on the verge of pushing for the first team at Championship level after only a couple of years?

correct.best move dean made

[themanfromatlantis]

I think a lot of people are underplaying the impact that DH's illness had on our business plans. Had he not suffered that unfortunate illness (which I'm sure we're all hopeful he's fully on the road to normal health), then I'm not sure we would be where we are today.

I'm not suggesting we'd have spent shed loads if DH had been fit, but we would have been much more stable behind the seasons.

In the long run we'll be ok, we just need to be patient, much as we were when DH came in.

It will however be a different type of leadership, that's what folk will need to get their heads round and realise that under DH we were a little bit spoilt.

[dugnet]

Aug 11, 2019 22:06:18 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

I think a lot of people are underplaying the impact that DH's illness had on our business plans. Had he not suffered that unfortunate illness (which I'm sure we're all hopeful he's fully on the road to normal health), then I'm not sure we would be where we are today.

I'm not suggesting we'd have spent shed loads if DH had been fit, but we would have been much more stable behind the seasons.

In the long run we'll be ok, we just need to be patient, much as we were when DH came in.

It will however be a different type of leadership, that's what folk will need to get their heads round and realise that under DH we were a little bit spoilt.

It certainly didn't help and I don't think anyone would think that DH should put the club before his health or his family. Despite this undoubtedly having an impact I think we are all a little bit disappointed to find ourselves where we are. I've posted before that our problems stem back to decisions taken 2 years ago onwards.

As I have also said few times too, good people make bad decisions. Overall a pigs ear has been made of a once in 3 generation opportunity.

The worst thing is I don't see any obvious fix. Even if Siewert went the new team would have a he'll of a challenge to get things going forward again.

All in all it's a mighty cock up.

[melbourneterrier]

I cannot neigh believe it. A rational post on DATM that uses sensible, well thought out logic.

Never thought I'd see the day

[tockyterrier]

Aug 11, 2019 15:16:44 GMT 1 @mij7997 said:

To be fair I don't disagree with the three windows comment, it will take that long to readjust as player's existing contracts expire. The wage bill needs to come down still because we can not just assume we will get back to the Premier League.

However we were told one out one in before I believe Smith left, Smith and Lowe left and neither were replaced so we are playing a 17 million pound player in what most consider to not be his best position until at least January. On top of that Billing left for a large fee and we did not do anything with any of that money.

We have 2 Premier League loans to show for all that and while they may both be good players (time will tell) I would have hoped a dedicated left back would have been signed.

The Mooy situation is a difficult one for the club to handle and I think they have tried to make the best of it. He wanted to play in the Premier League, he gets to do that but we keep hold of him as an asset so he can't walk for free next year. I expect he will do well and that he will not play for Town again but who knows.

My frustration is not with Phil it is with Siewart who thinks he is gods gift to Football Management even though he has only won 1 game in close to 20! Even allowing for the situation he came into I just don't see him turning this around at all. He does not research opposition teams before we play them, he is proud of making a change at half time (if he had done his research maybe we would have started better). He plays the same formation regardless of who he has to select for the team. I think he is clueless and I will be shocked if things improve before he leaves even though for the sake of the club I hope things do get better.

Im not saying Jan is prefect. But where is your evidence that he died not research the opposition?
Jans post match interview yesterday actually referred to them analysing QPR.

We have the same opposition scouting / analasys team as last session. Are you suggesting that they have been giving him blank DVDs?

[dsr]

Aug 11, 2019 13:27:26 GMT 1 terrier25 said:

Burnley keep being quoted as the example to follow. What people seem to forget is that after their first spell in the PL, it took them 4 seasons to get back up. They bounced straight back up woth Dyche after their 2nd relegation.

Hull took 3 seasons to go back up.

Burnley's first relegation was followed by a textbook example of how not to do it.  The Premier money was all spent on players' wages and transfer fees, nothing on infrastructure, and after 3 years we had to sell Charlie Austin to survive and there was no money for incoming transfers.  Dyche's first summer of spending consisted of just four free transfers.  (One left after 6 months to go to Gateshead, but the other three were David Jones midfield, Tom Heaton, and of course your own Scott Arfield.  Thanks. )

It was after that that Burnley started doing it right.  Dyche refused to spend all the Premier money on players and insisted on the training ground being rebuilt.  (Not Turf Moor, though!)  When we went down we did lose three influential players - Kieran Trippier, Jason Shackell, Danny Ings - but moved Ben Mee into centre defence, signed Andre Gray, signed Joey Barton (who was a model pro while he was at Burnley even if he's been disruptive everywhere else - another thumbs up for Dyche there) and went 23 unbeaten to win the league.  Then we still had the base in place - Michael Keane left but Tarkowski was already there - to consolidate.

I think basically it's not so much Burnley's system that is the reason for Burnley's success.  It's the manager.  If you want to emulate Burnley, appoint Sean Dyche.  (And no, he's not available!)

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Aug 11, 2019 19:45:44 GMT 1 kiwiblue said:

This whole "three transfer windows" thing and how the money from players sales hasn't been splashed about - I'm hoping/wondering if the cash is being held back until David Webb has had a chance to put his stamp on things, so another 2 windows to go before we can realistically be in a position to have another crack at getting into the big league??

Or then again, I could be talking pure tripe?

We have next to no chance of getting promoted back to the EPL in our life times.

Far too many clubs who can sustain higher value squads than we can, it requires extraordinary circumstances for a club like Town to get promoted to the top level.