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Post by kwami-hodouto on Aug 17, 2019 8:30:57 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position.
Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time.
What would anyone else like to see?
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Post by haveitback on Aug 17, 2019 8:34:21 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? 100% agree and by doing this we can then play Pritchard in the middle where he is most effective, a run of games back in that position and hell start scoring. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 17, 2019 8:36:31 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? Kongolo is the only player at the club capable of playing LB in the championship. |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 17, 2019 8:38:14 GMT 1
Definitely two up top given we have players who can do that job!!!
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Post by 66738 on Aug 17, 2019 8:41:00 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? Kongolo is the only player at the club capable of playing LB in the championship. Which is why we were screaming for a LB in the window but sadly alas, didn’t arrive. If we had round pegs in round holes, we might do sumat. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 8:44:23 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? Kongolo is the only player at the club capable of playing LB in the championship. To be honest with three centres I’d just throw VLP at it. Back when he had a run of games he showed more defensive commitment from midfield than Flo demonstrates on the other side of the pitch, so reckon it’s worth a go. Grabera
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Post by sapphireblue on Aug 17, 2019 8:46:16 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? Kongolo is the only player at the club capable of playing LB in the championship. Then you go three at the back (Kongolo, Schindler, Elphick) Flo and a left wing back so defensive duties are not quite so critical. VLP could play there? Hogg, O'brien, Pritchard in mid. Grant and Campbell up. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Aug 17, 2019 8:48:10 GMT 1
Kongolo is the only player at the club capable of playing LB in the championship. To be honest with three centres I’d just throw VLP at it. Back when he had a run of games he showed more defensive commitment from midfield than Flo demonstrates on the other side of the pitch, so reckon it’s worth a go. Grabera
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Post by v8bart on Aug 17, 2019 9:04:21 GMT 1
Two up front is a must, everyone knows that this club has not been able to score enough goals for 4+ years.
I know you can't bring in a manager and tell him how to play but it has to be attacking front foot football.
Oh and for gods sake, before anything else get big Colin out of the squad! He was mildly amusing 2 years ago but it's just not funny anymore, if we have to keep him employed maybe the club need a children's entertainer!
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 17, 2019 9:05:56 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? Kongolo is the only player at the club capable of playing LB in the championship. yeah cos we sold the other one. I mean who the hell is running things? Jeez. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 17, 2019 9:12:04 GMT 1
Two up front is a must, everyone knows that this club has not been able to score enough goals for 4+ years. I know you can't bring in a manager and tell him how to play but it has to be attacking front foot football. Oh and for gods sake, before anything else get big Colin out of the squad! He was mildly amusing 2 years ago but it's just not funny anymore, if we have to keep him employed maybe the club need a children's entertainer! Sorry, but you could put 4 upfront but if the ball never gets there quickly enough it’s no use. Our midfield is the issue - one paced and without mooy nobody capable of retaining the ball and moving it quickly enough to create much. Add to that the sprint twins, quaner and suddenly the new messiah VLP and it’s clear why we don’t score goals for me. When was the last time a midfield player burst beyond the front man or arrived late in the box to score.........they are always 20 yds too deep. Grant is excellent and scored with his only real chance of note last night - could work harder at times, but understandable he looks a bit fed up given what he’s being served up every week. When the next appointment is made, it’s a fine balance between getting more out of what we have and overhauling it all to create a new identity. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 9:13:19 GMT 1
To be honest with three centres I’d just throw VLP at it. Back when he had a run of games he showed more defensive commitment from midfield than Flo demonstrates on the other side of the pitch, so reckon it’s worth a go. Grabera
Flo Elphick Schindler Kongolo VLP
Hogg Bacuna
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Grant Campbell Almost same. I left Bacuna out as I think he needs a couple of months in the stiffs. Think I’d persist...he jus doesn’t know what his job is at the moment, trying to do too much of everything and ending up doing nothing of anything. With three centres, VLP and Flo could play a much more disciplined shape up the flanks than Flo and Kongolo have been able to do, and when we lose possession, really narrow that midfield for Hogg and Bacuna to block up and give Bacuna a much more focussed role. Problem for O Brien for me at the moment is he’s physically very similar to Pritchard and is more suited to playing inside left of a more traditional flat 4 or 5 midfield...throw in that Hogg isn’t the best in the air and I’d rather have someone like Bacuna in there who can be a right dirty bastard when he wants to be. Close call either way though. O Brien has been quietly impressive in between all the crap going on. |
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Post by chinaski on Aug 17, 2019 9:17:30 GMT 1
O’Brien is left footed and looks a tidy player. I wonder if he could be fashioned/coached into a decent left back. He’s got the stature if maybe not the pace for it.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 17, 2019 9:17:58 GMT 1
Almost same. I left Bacuna out as I think he needs a couple of months in the stiffs. Think I’d persist...he jus doesn’t know what his job is at the moment, trying to do too much of everything and ending up doing nothing of anything. With three centres, VLP and Flo could play a much more disciplined shape up the flanks than Flo and Kongolo have been able to do, and when we lose possession, really narrow that midfield for Hogg and Bacuna to block up and give Bacuna a much more focussed role. Problem for O Brien for me at the moment is he’s physically very similar to Pritchard and is more suited to playing inside left of a more traditional flat 4 or 5 midfield...throw in that Hogg isn’t the best in the air and I’d rather have someone like Bacuna in there who can be a right dirty bastard when he wants to be. after last night, I wouldn't let bacuna anywhere near the first team. The guy was a liability from the off. Cannot pass to save his life. Our weakest link. |
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Post by v8bart on Aug 17, 2019 9:50:31 GMT 1
Two up front is a must, everyone knows that this club has not been able to score enough goals for 4+ years. I know you can't bring in a manager and tell him how to play but it has to be attacking front foot football. Oh and for gods sake, before anything else get big Colin out of the squad! He was mildly amusing 2 years ago but it's just not funny anymore, if we have to keep him employed maybe the club need a children's entertainer! Sorry, but you could put 4 upfront but if the ball never gets there quickly enough it’s no use. Our midfield is the issue - one paced and without mooy nobody capable of retaining the ball and moving it quickly enough to create much. Add to that the sprint twins, quaner and suddenly the new messiah VLP and it’s clear why we don’t score goals for me. When was the last time a midfield player burst beyond the front man or arrived late in the box to score.........they are always 20 yds too deep. Grant is excellent and scored with his only real chance of note last night - could work harder at times, but understandable he looks a bit fed up given what he’s being served up every week. When the next appointment is made, it’s a fine balance between getting more out of what we have and overhauling it all to create a new identity. To totally agree, it's infuriating to the tenth degree the number of times we use 5 passes when one will do, taking all the momentum out of the attacks. I'd argue that 1 less in midfield will (partly) help to speed things up, but ultimately it has to come from the coaching. |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Aug 17, 2019 9:54:29 GMT 1
Agreed, 2 up top
3 5 2 would fit with the players we have.
Grabara
Elphick
Schindler
Kongolo
Flo
Bockhorn
O Brian
Hogg
Bacuna
Campbell/mounie
Grant
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Post by PellonTerrier on Aug 17, 2019 9:55:09 GMT 1
Some thing a bit different 3 4 3?
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Schindler Elphick Kongolo
Bacuna Hogg Chalobah O Brien
Campbell Grant Pritchard
Schofield
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Stankovic
Brown
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2019 10:43:46 GMT 1
Two up front is a must, everyone knows that this club has not been able to score enough goals for 4+ years. I know you can't bring in a manager and tell him how to play but it has to be attacking front foot football. Oh and for gods sake, before anything else get big Colin out of the squad! He was mildly amusing 2 years ago but it's just not funny anymore, if we have to keep him employed maybe the club need a children's entertainer! Sorry, but you could put 4 upfront but if the ball never gets there quickly enough it’s no use. Our midfield is the issue - one paced and without mooy nobody capable of retaining the ball and moving it quickly enough to create much. Add to that the sprint twins, quaner and suddenly the new messiah VLP and it’s clear why we don’t score goals for me. When was the last time a midfield player burst beyond the front man or arrived late in the box to score.........they are always 20 yds too deep. Grant is excellent and scored with his only real chance of note last night - could work harder at times, but understandable he looks a bit fed up given what he’s being served up every week. When the next appointment is made, it’s a fine balance between getting more out of what we have and overhauling it all to create a new identity. When did Mooy ever move the ball quickly, generally he slowed play down rather than speeded it up |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 17, 2019 12:19:08 GMT 1
Sorry, but you could put 4 upfront but if the ball never gets there quickly enough it’s no use. Our midfield is the issue - one paced and without mooy nobody capable of retaining the ball and moving it quickly enough to create much. Add to that the sprint twins, quaner and suddenly the new messiah VLP and it’s clear why we don’t score goals for me. When was the last time a midfield player burst beyond the front man or arrived late in the box to score.........they are always 20 yds too deep. Grant is excellent and scored with his only real chance of note last night - could work harder at times, but understandable he looks a bit fed up given what he’s being served up every week. When the next appointment is made, it’s a fine balance between getting more out of what we have and overhauling it all to create a new identity. When did Mooy ever move the ball quickly, generally he slowed play down rather than speeded it up Mooy retained the ball superbly, and when we played with a no.10 linked well with them also. There’s nobody in the current squad anywhere near that ability. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 17, 2019 12:20:20 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? 100% agree and by doing this we can then play Pritchard in the middle where he is most effective, a run of games back in that position and hell start scoring. Pritchard in a midfield two in a 4:4:2. Are you mad? |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 17, 2019 23:08:32 GMT 1
Two up front is a must, everyone knows that this club has not been able to score enough goals for 4+ years. I know you can't bring in a manager and tell him how to play but it has to be attacking front foot football. Oh and for gods sake, before anything else get big Colin out of the squad! He was mildly amusing 2 years ago but it's just not funny anymore, if we have to keep him employed maybe the club need a children's entertainer! 7 plus years. |
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Post by SuperMrTerrier on Aug 18, 2019 8:40:22 GMT 1
Grant is our most important player if we want to be successful. He thrived at Charlton in a 4 1 2 1 2 system. This would allow us to play Mounie, who is more likely to win long balls than Grant is (0/4 on Friday). It also allows Pritchard to play in his favoured position.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 9:12:54 GMT 1
Grant is our most important player if we want to be successful. He thrived at Charlton in a 4 1 2 1 2 system. This would allow us to play Mounie, who is more likely to win long balls than Grant is (0/4 on Friday). It also allows Pritchard to play in his favoured position. This is as good a suggestion as any. I’m in the overhaul camp because it’s just been too long since we were a genuine attacking threat in games. So, this would have Moonie & Grant. Prichard in behind. O Brien & Bacuna. Hogg sitting. That still leaves us with only Flo for width and Kongo at cb. The s the loan window open? We surely need at least one full back if we’re to do anything. I wish we could get someone like Chris brunt who rarely plays for west brom. It’s been so long since we have anyone who could deliver consistent quality from wide areas. Never mind if they’re not an athlete. We’ve loads of those already who are not skilled at football! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 9:15:33 GMT 1
Two up front is a must, everyone knows that this club has not been able to score enough goals for 4+ years. I know you can't bring in a manager and tell him how to play but it has to be attacking front foot football. Oh and for gods sake, before anything else get big Colin out of the squad! He was mildly amusing 2 years ago but it's just not funny anymore, if we have to keep him employed maybe the club need a children's entertainer! 7 plus years. Apparently he’s not a pleasant chap either, this from a youth player last year who told me Colin never spoke to anyone outside the first team. I think he actually believes he deserves to be a professional footballer. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 18, 2019 9:36:10 GMT 1
Agreed, 2 up top 3 5 2 would fit with the players we have. Grabara Elphick Schindler Kongolo Flo Bockhorn O Brian Hogg Bacuna Campbell/mounie Grant That's a defensive 352, which is not really going to gets us goals. Use natural wingers instead of full backs. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 18, 2019 10:19:56 GMT 1
Apparently he’s not a pleasant chap either, this from a youth player last year who told me Colin never spoke to anyone outside the first team. I think he actually believes he deserves to be a professional footballer. You couldn't meet a nicer bloke. |
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Post by sykeylad on Aug 18, 2019 12:16:11 GMT 1
We played 3 in attack with O'Brien behind them on Friday. Was better than other games but wecwobt score lots without a midfield than works well.
4231 for me with overlapping full backs. We have the squad for that with TK at LB.
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Post by arroloui on Aug 18, 2019 12:18:52 GMT 1
Get Kongolo at CB where he belongs. One of the best defenders in this league playing out of position. Secondly stick two up top. Play Grant and Campbell together. We have played with 1 up front for three years now, and we have struggled to score throughout that time. What would anyone else like to see? I agree with you its time to change our way of playing as we dont have good enough players to play the liverpool system.. |
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Post by sykeylad on Aug 18, 2019 12:29:58 GMT 1
We played 3 in attack with O'Brien behind them on Friday. Was better than other games but we won't score lots without a midfield than works well.
4231 for me with overlapping full backs and Pritchard in the 10. We have the squad for that with TK at LB. If when TK goes we will need a new LB.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 18, 2019 12:39:34 GMT 1
Kongolo is the only player at the club capable of playing LB in the championship. To be honest with three centres I’d just throw VLP at it. Back when he had a run of games he showed more defensive commitment from midfield than Flo demonstrates on the other side of the pitch, so reckon it’s worth a go. Grabera
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Hogg Bacuna
Pritchard
Grant Campbell Not a huge 3-5-2 fan but seems the way to go with this squad (unless we sign a LB). Id swap bacuna for chalobah - looked a good player just not quite sharp yet. Also maybe swap Campbell for mounie (if hes staying) and use FC as more an impact sub |
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