This eleven to wagners 11

[C.H]

The 11 played tonight compared to Dave wagners 11 what’s the difference the team is exactly the same in quality

[Amigo]

David Wagner

[Deleted]

Mooy.

To think he doesn't matter is ridiculous.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Aug 21, 2019 23:39:02 GMT 1 @bluewhiteblackgold said:

Mooy.

To think he doesn't matter is ridiculous.

Nail on the Head.
Aaron Mooy orchestrated our play .
Really helpful that we had no one lined up to replace him .

[28901]

Hogg nothing without Mooy

Lowe departure the second reason.

[ritchie]

Hef better than elphick, smith better than flo, lowe better than kongolo (at lb), a decent kachunga

Wagner

But as mentioned mooy. he made us twice the team

[HuddsTerrier]

We’ve shifted on or lost to retirement so many good pros from the promotion team

When you had a dressing room with Schindler, Hogg, Lowe, smith, crainie, hef, whitehead, kachunga, quauner, Hudson who irrespective of their ability always give 100% you’ll know that there’ll be a focus and professionalism - all prepared to sign contracts living in Huddersfield

We’ve replaced them with players who showed bad attitudes at previous clubs and too many have done interviews saying they don’t like this manager etc

We’ve gone from a dressing room full of dedicated pros believing in a manager with clear ideas to one full of lads who don’t want to be in Huddersfield and are just thinking of getting themselves out of here

[richhtfc]

Organisation, management and strategy

[swam4mwg]

Wagner performed two miracles. We need another to stay up.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 22, 2019 1:51:30 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Hef better than elphick, smith better than flo, lowe better than kongolo (at lb), a decent kachunga

Wagner

But as mentioned mooy. he made us twice the team

He didn't make us twice the team against Derby though. My favourite town player but no way would Mooy 2019-20 have been a patch on Mooy 2016-17.

We have the quality of player barring one or two . The problem we have is some don't want to be here, we have scars from a terrible end to last season , and we have been appallingly coached for 7 months so we are going to have to start again . It's really.worrying but it is what it is . What actually might be helpful is the fans not turning on the club. Of course it won't happen - but we will stand a far.better chance of beating the drop if we all pull together rather than constant sniping at the owners, players etc

[specialun]

Wagner

Team better than sum of parts, fitness, organisation, attitude, playing shape, game management etc - much better than now all round
Mooy - Everything came through him v gone
DOF v one appointed 2 weeks into the season lol
Signings made early in the summer (or before eg April) v not
Signings made from German championship v league 2 / conference
Fans excitement / support v ridiculous expectations on a different planet to reality now
Experienced heads in squad buying into manager Hudson / Whitehead v less
Character - Hef v less
Pre season v too few games

This team is worse than under Wagner imo individually and massively so as a team

I’ve said before if Chris Powell has been in charge of the promotion team or any other average manager - Robins etc we’d have finished bottom half

What we achieved with Wagner was extraordinary - he warned us not to start to think that was the ordinary. Most on here didn’t listen to him

[dumbo]

The first team is not too far off (except Mooy), but compare the squad as a whole, particularly the defence. Maybe we have potential now but a lot less experience.

Under Wagner in defence we had Hudson, Cranie Stankovich and T Holmes-Dennis. The weakest being THD who had about 40 league appearances at League 1 level. 2 experienced model pros and Stankovich.

Whereas against Lincoln we had Stankovich and group of players with less experience than THD.

Payne and Billing were our young midfield hope, both had more experience than O'Brien, Koroma, Brown. We also had Whitehead.

Really fear any injuries or suspensions as it seems we have started the season expecting the young guns to be ready and then decided almost immediately that they are not.

[linson]

I posted this in another thread:

I think the level of vitriol is commensurate with the negligence that has gone on behind the scenes.

Let's look at what should have been our best line-up from last season:

RVLP Grant Pritchard
Mooy Hogg Billing
Lowe Kongolo Schindler Smith
Lossl

Now compare that to the standard of the XI we have playing for us:
Quaner Grant Diakhaby
Bacuna Hogg O'Brien
Kongolo Elphick Schindler Flo
Grabara

Forget about Siewert and Hodgkinson for just a moment and focus purely on the quality difference. If we'd have kept that squad and starting XI together we wouldn't be having the problems we have now. Simple.

Out
Billing
Depoitre
Durm
Jorgensen
Lossl
Mooy
Payne
Smith
Williams

In
Bockhorn (downgrade on Smith / Flo)
R Brown (downgrade on Mooy)
Campbell (yet to be seen)
Chalobah (downgrade on Billing)
Koroma (downgrade)
Grabara
Elphick


The crimes of this transfer window are plain for all to see. We've successfully converted our team from a tactically poor mediocre premier league side to a tactically poor shamefully inept paper thin League 1 side by systematically getting rid of our best players, keeping and even promoting our deadwood and replacing quality with youth squad material.

And the worst thing about it is it was completely avoidable. If we'd have planned properly with our finances and made sure we kept as much of the squad together as possible we could have been going in to this season with the required quality to compete.

The damage is already done, Schindler and Kongolo will want out before long, then Grant and Hogg will become unhappy.

We can all be geniuses with hindsight and retrospect but the mistakes that have been made are outrageous, the club is in free fall and the fans have every right to be angry.

Granted I got it wrong with Quaner/Kachunga n the second line-up but people were calling it total bollocks for some reason.
The line-ups are almost completely different, losing the players we lost, promoting the dross and recruiting youth has successfully destroyed this club. The damage is done people. The squad is not good enough and we'll need a miracle to not get relegated.

[66738]

Chalk and cheese

[teddytheterrier]

Aug 21, 2019 23:34:31 GMT 1 C.H said:

The 11 played tonight compared to Dave wagners 11 what’s the difference the team is exactly the same in quality

Really? mbenza on par with palmer and izzy then? Don't think so. Apart from Kongolo the promotion team was way better.

No ward, no izzy, no kp, no Mooy,no Wells, no Smith.