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Post by boooothy on Aug 26, 2019 8:04:12 GMT 1
I’m not sure top managers apply for jobs anymore.
I suspect these interviews are mainly to ask how much money they want and if they are willing to sell the best players and let some kid on fifa replace them with lower league ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 8:13:58 GMT 1
Stop being so defensive it’s a valid debate, how much emphasis would you put on an interview for a job like this? For example say you interview Phil Parkinson and Chris Hughton and Parkinson holds himself better in an interview and comes across well do you completely ignore the fact that one has a more successful past at this level and the level above based on a 1-2 hour interview Its a valid debate in YOUR eyes. You are assuming that the person who interviews best gets the job . What makes you assume this ? Actually im sorry for my use of English . The word i was grasping for wasnt assuming, it was guessing . Why are all these guessers popping up on the internet all of a sudden making out they know all about the inner workings of a professional football club ? Lots of assumptions there, why as a fan am I apparently not supposed to question the process of appointing our manager on a discussion forum? I would assume we aren’t stupid enough to put much emphasis at all on an interview therefore I question why bother with them? Why waste several people’s time. My point is we should have a clear idea of who we want, proven managers don’t generally apply for jobs or do interviews. In my eyes the interview process for a position such as this is pointless and there are many valid points to back this up. Therefore it comes across that the interviews are merely a smokescreen to mask the fact the club is currently pretty clueless in where they see us heading from a footballing perspective |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 26, 2019 8:17:41 GMT 1
Enjoy your bank holiday . Dont spend too much time worrying lifes too short
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 8:19:01 GMT 1
Two completely different points: Doesn't the Rooney rule suggest that you might find a better candidate via the interview process ? Owen Coyle... didn't he once suggest he was too good to have to be interviewed when he applied for the Town job ? Deluded man! Owen Coyle was on our list of wanted managers, he didn't apply for the job. We asked him to come for an interview and he said he wouldn't do one because his record spoke for itself. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 26, 2019 8:22:56 GMT 1
Two completely different points: Doesn't the Rooney rule suggest that you might find a better candidate via the interview process ? Owen Coyle... didn't he once suggest he was too good to have to be interviewed when he applied for the Town job ? Deluded man! Owen Coyle was on our list of wanted managers, he didn't apply for the job. We asked him to come for an interview and he said he wouldn't do one because his record spoke for itself. Pretty much the same point then... he thought he was too good for an interview |
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Post by captainblack on Aug 26, 2019 8:27:25 GMT 1
Its a valid point and I would love the club to appoint Hughton as the new manager, however I do not think it would bode well for us to start chasing the likes of Hughton if he clearly is not interested in the club, He has the chance of applying for the job like everyone else , obviously he is sadly not interested. Our work has been ‘head hunting’ for a position having advertised openly for it and got limited interest. Ironically, just because you approach people doesn’t mean that they will be interested in joining. I know we waved lots of cash and incentives (way above market standards) at various people and they all still said no because people were concerned about our stability as a company after lots of people have left in the last 12 months. I don’t see Town as any different at the moment. So the question is who is brave/desperate/stupid enough to want to take on Town at this point in time? There is nothing wrong with "Head Hunting" individuals who you think would be willing and competent to do a job in my opinion. I think that the likes of Hughton not applying suggests he is just not interested. Luckily there are prospective candidates who are brave/desperate and stupid enough even to manage us!  We may have to resign ourselves to have a manager from the lower leagues who is really "Keen" , possibly someone like John McGlynn at Raith Rovers, just a suggestion and I do not know too much about the guy, but possibly someone of his ilk would be interested in a job at Town,of course there will be many others , lets just hope we pick a "goodun" UTT. |
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Post by detox on Aug 26, 2019 8:48:45 GMT 1
I would guess that 90% of managerial vacancies are at clubs in some degree of crisis...you don't sack a manager who is doing well. So all new applicants for a managers job know they are going into a troubled environment and have to do a lot of work sorting stuff out...Hughton , wherever he ends up will likely find the same, at somewhere like Palace for example. The guy we need at Town needs to not only have success at the top end of the league credentials but also have success in turning crisis clubs around, that latter point being the most important for us at the moment. We've been in freefall for over a year and as yet no one at the club seems to have a clue how to stop it. Big Phil hopefully will know what we need at this time...otherwise, well we're fooked aren't we..
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Post by terrierhx on Aug 26, 2019 15:37:49 GMT 1
Jesus wept....... So now we are having a go at the man for conducting interviews.... Stop being so defensive it’s a valid debate, how much emphasis would you put on an interview for a job like this? For example say you interview Phil Parkinson and Chris Hughton and Parkinson holds himself better in an interview and comes across well do you completely ignore the fact that one has a more successful past at this level and the level above based on a 1-2 hour interview An interview is one part of the process and surely a great opportunity to understand character, vision, philosophy and how an individual would work with the board and wider club. I’m sure a decision won’t be made surely on who delivers the best PowerPoint presentation!! |
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Post by BlueValour on Aug 26, 2019 16:13:18 GMT 1
Interviewing candidates is essential. Yes, things such as track record are of overriding importance but it is only through an interview that other factors such as the chemistry between owner and manager can be assessed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 16:16:44 GMT 1
Who needs interviews?
Just stick their pictures on a wall, blindfold a chimpanzee and tell it to throw a dart.
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Post by digs on Aug 26, 2019 16:18:31 GMT 1
What’s all that about, PH stated we’re interviewing UK based and international this week. Never understand how a football manager can prove anything in an interview process, pundits talk a good game maybe we should appoint Gary Neville he’d interview well. We should know who we want and be going hell for leather to get them through the door. Gary Neville has show he can't manage though |
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Post by ACW on Aug 26, 2019 16:23:29 GMT 1
Two completely different points: Doesn't the Rooney rule suggest that you might find a better candidate via the interview process ? Owen Coyle... didn't he once suggest he was too good to have to be interviewed when he applied for the Town job ? Deluded man! Owen Coyle was on our list of wanted managers, he didn't apply for the job. We asked him to come for an interview and he said he wouldn't do one because his record spoke for itself. His record certainly does. Which is why he is currently out of work, and has been for quite a while. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 26, 2019 16:27:19 GMT 1
Who needs interviews? Just stick their pictures on a wall, blindfold a chimpanzee and tell it to throw a dart. I always envisage clubs having a Wheel of a Fortune type wheel with all the names of the managers who usually appear on the managerial merry-go-round on it. Give it a spin, and Hey Presto! another failed manager gets yet another undeserved crack of the whip. Unless it's Owen Coyle of course. Then you give it another spin. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 26, 2019 16:29:38 GMT 1
What’s all that about, PH stated we’re interviewing UK based and international this week. Never understand how a football manager can prove anything in an interview process, pundits talk a good game maybe we should appoint Gary Neville he’d interview well. We should know who we want and be going hell for leather to get them through the door. Gary Neville has show he can't manage though But, as we all know, that's not a valid reason for a football club not to appoint someone as their manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 17:04:51 GMT 1
Owen Coyle was on our list of wanted managers, he didn't apply for the job. We asked him to come for an interview and he said he wouldn't do one because his record spoke for itself. His record certainly does. Which is why he is currently out of work, and has been for quite a while. His arrogant attitude spoke volumes for his character, we dodged a bullet there. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 26, 2019 18:38:33 GMT 1
We tracked Jan for 3 years and appointed without an interview - what a shambles that turned out to be! I'm happy for the club to interview as long as they ask the right questions and of course make the right decision! I suppose we won't know if any decision is right or wrong until we see the outcome on the pitch. All I know is that we needed a change and we are getting one - unless of course they appoint Hudson which will be more of the same in m opinion I'm afraid. Bringing Jan into the unholy mess left by Wagner and others was a mistake. Jan mistook us for a club with heart going through a very hard time. He came into a club with premier League wages and ego's without a single one of them playing like a top flight player and nobody accepting any personal responsibility for fucking anything. Still listening to players talking the right talk then doing nothing like it in real life. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 26, 2019 18:43:31 GMT 1
His record certainly does. Which is why he is currently out of work, and has been for quite a while. His arrogant attitude spoke volumes for his character, we dodged a bullet there. I've got this picture in my mind of him turning up to the interview in full Town kit, socks pulled up and shin pads on. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 26, 2019 19:08:21 GMT 1
His arrogant attitude spoke volumes for his character, we dodged a bullet there. I've got this picture in my mind of him turning up to the interview in full Town kit, socks pulled up and shin pads on. .....and talking in the third person. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Aug 26, 2019 20:41:49 GMT 1
Two completely different points: Doesn't the Rooney rule suggest that you might find a better candidate via the interview process ? Owen Coyle... didn't he once suggest he was too good to have to be interviewed when he applied for the Town job ? Deluded man! He is an effective contraception though.... |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 27, 2019 3:26:31 GMT 1
Not many clubs run a full interview process these days. They identify the best man for the job via the director of football and go all out to appoint them.
Just shows how backwards we have gone, returning to a process that confuses rather than guarantees.
Let's just hope it throws up something unexpected. Gio Van Bronkhorst or someone else unexpected that makes a few waves.
After selling mounie this week we will need something to get positively behind.
If it's not a high level appointment or an exciting appointment then I'd rather keep Hudson, its him over atkins or Parkinson all day long.
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Post by Bigcolquaner on Aug 27, 2019 7:14:07 GMT 1
Question 1:
Will you do the job for nowt?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:59:18 GMT 1
Establishing what kind of contract a potential manager is after will no doubt be a big factor, and speak volumes about their interest and commitment.
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 27, 2019 15:44:53 GMT 1
I feared 2 weeks ago nobody would appointed until Mounie and Kongolo sold ?
On a wider point why do football clubs continually sack a managed without a plan as to who might take over!
Clearly Phil has made a good financial call buying the club for what appears to be nothing, however operationally he appears way out of his depth.
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Post by crux on Aug 27, 2019 16:20:28 GMT 1
Not many clubs run a full interview process these days. They identify the best man for the job via the director of football and go all out to appoint them. Just shows how backwards we have gone, returning to a process that confuses rather than guarantees. Let's just hope it throws up something unexpected. Gio Van Bronkhorst or someone else unexpected that makes a few waves. After selling mounie this week we will need something to get positively behind. If it's not a high level appointment or an exciting appointment then I'd rather keep Hudson, its him over atkins or Parkinson all day long. Not allowed to do that,unless the proposed candidate is BAME. So I presume you could appoint Hughton, but couldn't just appoint Hudson, Parkinson etc etc |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 27, 2019 17:22:34 GMT 1
Who needs interviews? Just stick their pictures on a wall, blindfold a chimpanzee and tell it to throw a dart. I always envisage clubs having a Wheel of a Fortune type wheel with all the names of the managers who usually appear on the managerial merry-go-round on it. Give it a spin, and Hey Presto! another failed manager gets yet another undeserved crack of the whip. Unless it's Owen Coyle of course. Then you give it another spin. surely it would be a merry go round? |
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Post by terracesider on Aug 27, 2019 17:41:50 GMT 1
Not many clubs run a full interview process these days. They identify the best man for the job via the director of football and go all out to appoint them. Just shows how backwards we have gone, returning to a process that confuses rather than guarantees. Let's just hope it throws up something unexpected. Gio Van Bronkhorst or someone else unexpected that makes a few waves. After selling mounie this week we will need something to get positively behind. If it's not a high level appointment or an exciting appointment then I'd rather keep Hudson, its him over atkins or Parkinson all day long. Is that really the case? If so; a very strange process.. I would imagine the very first requirement in recruitment is the knowledge that the applicant really wants the job. The basis of the old Army approach that "one volunteer is worth ten pressed men," time tried and tested.  Good luck to the Chairman in getting this one right, our season (and possibly the next two or three) depends on this. UTT |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 18:12:39 GMT 1
Not many clubs run a full interview process these days. They identify the best man for the job via the director of football and go all out to appoint them. Just shows how backwards we have gone, returning to a process that confuses rather than guarantees. Let's just hope it throws up something unexpected. Gio Van Bronkhorst or someone else unexpected that makes a few waves. After selling mounie this week we will need something to get positively behind. If it's not a high level appointment or an exciting appointment then I'd rather keep Hudson, its him over atkins or Parkinson all day long. Is that really the case? If so; a very strange process.. I would imagine the very first requirement in recruitment is the knowledge that the applicant really wants the job. The basis of the old Army approach that "one volunteer is worth ten pressed men," time tried and tested. Good luck to the Chairman in getting this one right, our season (and possibly the next two or three) depends on this. UTT The Rooney rule has been set to reverse the typical recruitment scenario pointed out by Townrwe above. Clubs are now forced to conduct interviews and include at least one BAME candidate. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Aug 27, 2019 18:16:40 GMT 1
Is that really the case? If so; a very strange process.. I would imagine the very first requirement in recruitment is the knowledge that the applicant really wants the job. The basis of the old Army approach that "one volunteer is worth ten pressed men," time tried and tested. Good luck to the Chairman in getting this one right, our season (and possibly the next two or three) depends on this. UTT The Rooney rule has been set to reverse the typical recruitment scenario pointed out by Townrwe above. Clubs are now forced to conduct interviews and include at least one BAME candidate. Forced? Surely that’s the exact opposite of fairness and equity? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 18:26:50 GMT 1
The Rooney rule has been set to reverse the typical recruitment scenario pointed out by Townrwe above. Clubs are now forced to conduct interviews and include at least one BAME candidate. Forced? Surely that’s the exact opposite of fairness and equity? There are no quotas or obligations to give a particular applicant a job. Just a rule that states that at least one person of non-white background must be interviewed for every head coaching position. It's worked well over the last decade in American Football's NFL. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Aug 27, 2019 18:33:27 GMT 1
I've got this picture in my mind of him turning up to the interview in full Town kit, socks pulled up and shin pads on. .....and talking in the third person. Fk me, Nick being interviewed for the post of Town manager !' |
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