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Post by wigster on Aug 31, 2019 17:20:29 GMT 1
First caller after the match - "Surely when Dean Hoyle was ill there was SOMEBODY at the club who could stop the rot " (I paraphrase). Julian Winter, David Wagner, Marsh and others - hang your heads - and Winter - GET OUT - you were weak and insipid as a footballer - I watched you - and you've carried on. Please go.
Hodgkinson will shoulder the blame but 5 or 6 others at the club watched/lost interest/ sat and did nothing whilst we plummetted.
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Post by conman on Aug 31, 2019 19:23:50 GMT 1
That Winter is a complete waste of space.
I'm not surprised he's always got that smug, smirky look on his face, the wage he must be on for doing fuck all..
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Post by nshackle on Aug 31, 2019 19:32:18 GMT 1
First caller after the match - "Surely when Dean Hoyle was ill there was SOMEBODY at the club who could stop the rot " (I paraphrase). Julian Winter, David Wagner, Marsh and others - hang your heads - and Winter - GET OUT - you were weak and insipid as a footballer - I watched you - and you've carried on. Please go. Hodgkinson will shoulder the blame but 5 or 6 others at the club watched/lost interest/ sat and did nothing whilst we plummetted. I started watching Town in the mid 80’s and I remember some people in the crowd used to refer to him as ‘Julie Winter’ - I’ve never been able to take him seriously ever since let alone as a CEO ! |
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Post by In sooth- - on Aug 31, 2019 19:33:57 GMT 1
Will the LAST caller switch off the lights
When we all wake up we will realise it was not a dream - --it is a nightmare.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2019 19:34:29 GMT 1
It really seems like Phil is the fall guy, Deano has been paid out.
Phil has relatively very small wealth.
Bet he wishes he had stayed at the gentle little village team southport
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 20:07:06 GMT 1
It really seems like Phil is the fall guy, Deano has been paid out. Phil has relatively very small wealth. Bet he wishes he had stayed at the gentle little village team southport How do you know Deans been paid out? How do you know how much PH has in his bank? Stop making shit up yet again |
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 31, 2019 20:37:44 GMT 1
It really seems like Phil is the fall guy, Deano has been paid out. Phil has relatively very small wealth. Bet he wishes he had stayed at the gentle little village team southport How do you know Deans been paid out? How do you know how much PH has in his bank? Stop making shit up yet again It's Groundhog Day with Nick after every fucking defeat. In fact, it's like Groundhog Day following Town. I'm ragged off and jaded with it all. I wasn't even upset today, it was inevitable. Football and posters on DATM should never be inevitable. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2019 20:43:31 GMT 1
It really seems like Phil is the fall guy, Deano has been paid out. Phil has relatively very small wealth. Bet he wishes he had stayed at the gentle little village team southport How do you know Deans been paid out? How do you know how much PH has in his bank? Stop making shit up yet again You have no better idea than me though. |
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Post by mickwadsworth26 on Aug 31, 2019 20:48:59 GMT 1
How long before protests at home and empty seats. Fans will always vote with their feet.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Aug 31, 2019 20:49:59 GMT 1
First caller after the match - "Surely when Dean Hoyle was ill there was SOMEBODY at the club who could stop the rot " (I paraphrase). Julian Winter, David Wagner, Marsh and others - hang your heads - and Winter - GET OUT - you were weak and insipid as a footballer - I watched you - and you've carried on. Please go. Hodgkinson will shoulder the blame but 5 or 6 others at the club watched/lost interest/ sat and did nothing whilst we plummetted. I started watching Town in the mid 80’s and I remember some people in the crowd used to refer to him as ‘Julie Winter’ - I’ve never been able to take him seriously ever since let alone as a CEO ! I played against Winter a few times, one good tap/ tackle and he didn't want to know. Just like he doesn't want to know now. Where's he gone, CEO, Mr Silence is Golden. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2019 20:53:54 GMT 1
I started watching Town in the mid 80’s and I remember some people in the crowd used to refer to him as ‘Julie Winter’ - I’ve never been able to take him seriously ever since let alone as a CEO ! I played against Winter a few times, one good tap/ tackle and he didn't want to know. Just like he doesn't want to know now. Where's he gone, CEO, Mr Silence is Golden. Winter was a quality player by the time he left us. Absolutely no question about it |
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 31, 2019 20:58:02 GMT 1
I started watching Town in the mid 80’s and I remember some people in the crowd used to refer to him as ‘Julie Winter’ - I’ve never been able to take him seriously ever since let alone as a CEO ! I played against Winter a few times, one good tap/ tackle and he didn't want to know. Just like he doesn't want to know now. Where's he gone, CEO, Mr Silence is Golden. There's a few on here who'd like to two foot him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 21:00:02 GMT 1
I played against Winter a few times, one good tap/ tackle and he didn't want to know. Just like he doesn't want to know now. Where's he gone, CEO, Mr Silence is Golden. Winter was a quality player by the time he left us. Absolutely no question about it he was a good talented player some on here are talking garbage. AS for his role as ceo questions have a right to be asked |
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Post by wigster on Aug 31, 2019 21:14:17 GMT 1
I played against Winter a few times, one good tap/ tackle and he didn't want to know. Just like he doesn't want to know now. Where's he gone, CEO, Mr Silence is Golden. Winter was a quality player by the time he left us. Absolutely no question about it I watched him all his Town career - technically gifted and quite graceful, but gave the impression, to me and my mates, as being rather weedy and scared stiff of any physical contact. I suspect even his admirers would agree he's not the type of player you want alongside you when the going gets tough. Very very rarely did he ever influence a game and I will be genuinely amazed if any one of my age who watched him was sorry when he left. Certainly talented but never seemed up for the fight. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 21:14:54 GMT 1
How do you know Deans been paid out? How do you know how much PH has in his bank? Stop making shit up yet again It's Groundhog Day with Nick after every fucking defeat. In fact, it's like Groundhog Day following Town. I'm ragged off and jaded with it all. I wasn't even upset today, it was inevitable. Football and posters on DATM should never be inevitable. It’s the same regardless with him. Getting that way with Town |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 21:15:53 GMT 1
How do you know Deans been paid out? How do you know how much PH has in his bank? Stop making shit up yet again You have no better idea than me though. But I don’t claim to say Deans been paid out. I don’t claim to say Phil doesn’t have that much, as you have said. Wind it in you little urchin |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2019 21:20:21 GMT 1
Winter was a quality player by the time he left us. Absolutely no question about it I watched him all his Town career - technically gifted and quite graceful, but gave the impression, to me and my mates, as being rather weedy and scared stiff of any physical contact. I suspect even his admirers would agree he's not the type of player you want alongside you when the going gets tough. Very very rarely did he ever influence a game and I will be genuinely amazed if any one of my age who watched him was sorry when he left. The memory can play tricks.. I would agree with the "soft as shit" tag when he first came into the team and when he left he still couldn't be described as a "warrior". But he certainly influenced games in his final season and you may remember he left us for a team above us in the footballing ladder and for a decent transfer fee at the time. I don't think Harry Bassett would have shelled out money for someone weedy and scared in the tackle who was unable to influence. |
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Post by Rambo on Aug 31, 2019 21:32:51 GMT 1
How do you know Deans been paid out? How do you know how much PH has in his bank? Stop making shit up yet again You have no better idea than me though. He has a point with that one!!! |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 31, 2019 21:37:06 GMT 1
Wasn’t it winter that somehow weaselled his way out of getting sacked whilst a couple of others were sacked back in the early 80s??
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Aug 31, 2019 21:58:03 GMT 1
I watched him all his Town career - technically gifted and quite graceful, but gave the impression, to me and my mates, as being rather weedy and scared stiff of any physical contact. I suspect even his admirers would agree he's not the type of player you want alongside you when the going gets tough. Very very rarely did he ever influence a game and I will be genuinely amazed if any one of my age who watched him was sorry when he left. The memory can play tricks.. I would agree with the "soft as shit" tag when he first came into the team and when he left he still couldn't be described as a "warrior". But he certainly influenced games in his final season and you may remember he left us for a team above us in the footballing ladder and for a decent transfer fee at the time. I don't think Harry Bassett would have shelled out money for someone weedy and scared in the tackle who was unable to influence. When he ended up in our league, I gave him a "Welcome to the District League tackle, " he didn't like that at all. Blended in, we didn't see much of him again all game... He was hiding like he his today |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2019 22:05:45 GMT 1
I watched him all his Town career - technically gifted and quite graceful, but gave the impression, to me and my mates, as being rather weedy and scared stiff of any physical contact. I suspect even his admirers would agree he's not the type of player you want alongside you when the going gets tough. Very very rarely did he ever influence a game and I will be genuinely amazed if any one of my age who watched him was sorry when he left. The memory can play tricks.. I would agree with the "soft as shit" tag when he first came into the team and when he left he still couldn't be described as a "warrior". But he certainly influenced games in his final season and you may remember he left us for a team above us in the footballing ladder and for a decent transfer fee at the time. I don't think Harry Bassett would have shelled out money for someone weedy and scared in the tackle who was unable to influence. Always remember his 25 harder against Chester the same day as Hillsborough and yes in the end he was a decent player. Thing is with Winter in his role as CEO, Hoyle appointed him and he hasn't been relieved of his duties as yet so it makes you wonder what kind of job he is doing. |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 31, 2019 22:31:06 GMT 1
It's all very well making a scapegoat out of Winter and although I am not sure he's necessarily any good consider;
1 As much as we all admire and respect Dean the seeds of our current position were sewn long before he fell ill.
2 Winter is only a part of the team who took collective decisions
3 There's very little we can do with regards to the squad until January
PH has the responsibility he has to draw a line, work out a plan with Webb and the new head coach
The most important thing is to acknowledge mistakes have been made and start to address them.
It may make folk feel better having someone to blame but it achieves 4/5ths of nothing.
We're stuck with it at the moment, small improvements would be a pleasure.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 31, 2019 22:36:31 GMT 1
It's all very well making a scapegoat out of Winter and although I am not sure he's necessarily any good consider; 1 As much as we all admire and respect Dean the seeds of our current position were sewn long before he fell ill. 2 Winter is only a part of the team who took collective decisions 3 There's very little we can do with regards to the squad until January PH has the responsibility he has to draw a line, work out a plan with Webb and the new head coach The most important thing is to acknowledge mistakes have been made and start to address them. It may make folk feel better having someone to blame but it achieves 4/5ths of nothing. We're stuck with it at the moment, small improvements would be a pleasure. Re point 3. We were saying exactly this 1 year ago. Then in January we got Puncheon. Reason we are all so concerned is there has been not one sign that anything is likely to change. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Aug 31, 2019 23:00:58 GMT 1
First caller after the match - "Surely when Dean Hoyle was ill there was SOMEBODY at the club who could stop the rot " (I paraphrase). Julian Winter, David Wagner, Marsh and others - hang your heads - and Winter - GET OUT - you were weak and insipid as a footballer - I watched you - and you've carried on. Please go. Hodgkinson will shoulder the blame but 5 or 6 others at the club watched/lost interest/ sat and did nothing whilst we plummetted. Apparently the reason Wagner got so bogged down with it all was because he was left to pretty much do EVERYTHING due to nobody else having a clue what they were doing once Hoyle went ill. He tried his best,but ultimately (and understandably) wasn't able to do it all and he had enough. Offered to stay on till end of the season but was told not to bother as it would give us time to get our house in order for this season... |
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Post by specialun on Aug 31, 2019 23:04:52 GMT 1
Wagner didn’t jump ship he was as fed up as we were
If you recall Hoyle and Winter were on different pages when explaining why Wagner left
Hoyle said Wagner needed a rest from rigours of management
Whereas Julian Winter said
“And, David being the human being he is, said 'building up to a January transfer window, does the club want to adapt? How does it think about different things”
Wagner’s later explanation was closer to Winter’s
.... I assume the Board didn’t want to take a different approach in the January window... ie spend some cash! We know this was the case hence the ridiculous signing of Puncheon
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2019 23:07:49 GMT 1
Wagner didn’t jump ship he was as fed up as we were If you recall Hoyle and Winter were on different pages when explaining why Wagner left Hoyle said Wagner needed a rest from rigours of management Whereas Julian Winter said “And, David being the human being he is, said 'building up to a January transfer window, does the club want to adapt? How does it think about different things” Wagner’s later explanation was closer to Winter’s .... I assume the Board didn’t want to take a different approach in the January window... ie spend some cash! We know this was the case hence the ridiculous signing of Puncheon That's what it all boils down to, Wagner wanted some brass to spend and the club didn't want to and they gave him Puncheon. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 31, 2019 23:23:38 GMT 1
Wagner didn’t jump ship he was as fed up as we were If you recall Hoyle and Winter were on different pages when explaining why Wagner left Hoyle said Wagner needed a rest from rigours of management Whereas Julian Winter said “And, David being the human being he is, said 'building up to a January transfer window, does the club want to adapt? How does it think about different things” Wagner’s later explanation was closer to Winter’s .... I assume the Board didn’t want to take a different approach in the January window... ie spend some cash! We know this was the case hence the ridiculous signing of Puncheon Lots of different views on this. But I believe this version and nothing will change my mind . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 23:54:34 GMT 1
You have no better idea than me though. He has a point with that one!!! He’s saying he doesn’t have that much money, I haven’t mentioned anything either way, how does he know he doesn’t though? The guys a turd of the highest order |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 1, 2019 10:02:57 GMT 1
I played against Winter a few times, one good tap/ tackle and he didn't want to know. Just like he doesn't want to know now. Where's he gone, CEO, Mr Silence is Golden. Winter was a quality player by the time he left us. Absolutely no question about it He played at West Vale as a kid, same team as me (or possibly an age group higher), long time ago. You could tell back then he was a level above. Think he was referred to as Joss Winter, not Julie as someone has stated on here. Emotions running high on here as usual. I might go and drop PhilinC a message and see if I can spend my time more productively, like refining the perfect pork pie recipe... |
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