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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 2, 2019 13:08:17 GMT 1
He doesn't want to be here. We are paying him 100k a month to not want to be here. There is no way on God's earth he will be committed to the cause.. If he was I'd love him here. But he isn't The thing is though we can't sack them all off, s much as we'd like to. I'd get Mounie in and tell him you're not going anywhere till January, roll up your sleeves and get fucking stuck in and give us 100 percent then you can have your move when we can bring in more players. And then when he doesn't do that? Listen.. I get your point, and I'd love a revved up Mounie to. Be leading our attack. But it's not going to happen. Happy to be proved wrong. All that ANC recuperation time was just guff. He wants out. I get that others do too. But it appears those others are at least prepared to knuckle down for the time being |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 2, 2019 13:08:38 GMT 1
You're deluded if you think there's going to be any funds to spend in January. Dunno. Im clinging to the very plausible possibility that PH and DH lost all faith with those sourcing our players and wisely decided not to give them anymore money to waste. If I was them, I wouldn;t have given them any more and would have waited for the new DOF to arrive. If you really think that might be the case how do explain the fact that Josh Marsh is still at the club? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 2, 2019 13:20:59 GMT 1
The thing is though we can't sack them all off, s much as we'd like to. I'd get Mounie in and tell him you're not going anywhere till January, roll up your sleeves and get fucking stuck in and give us 100 percent then you can have your move when we can bring in more players. And then when he doesn't do that? Listen.. I get your point, and I'd love a revved up Mounie to. Be leading our attack. But it's not going to happen. Happy to be proved wrong. All that ANC recuperation time was just guff. He wants out. I get that others do too. But it appears those others are at least prepared to knuckle down for the time being Well we're done for then. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 2, 2019 13:55:39 GMT 1
And then when he doesn't do that? Listen.. I get your point, and I'd love a revved up Mounie to. Be leading our attack. But it's not going to happen. Happy to be proved wrong. All that ANC recuperation time was just guff. He wants out. I get that others do too. But it appears those others are at least prepared to knuckle down for the time being Well we're done for then. Given nobody wants mounie and that reticence to take him will grow as he does not play or be seen to be playing well it is almost 100% his problem to sort. He must be aware that this is the case and a new manager coming in will only be reminding him of this fact.? There is little leverage to use with him, depends on his ego or if common sense wins? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2019 14:06:50 GMT 1
Dunno. Im clinging to the very plausible possibility that PH and DH lost all faith with those sourcing our players and wisely decided not to give them anymore money to waste. If I was them, I wouldn;t have given them any more and would have waited for the new DOF to arrive. You mean we won’t be referring to “the excellent Josh Marsh” ... and instead call him Josh Marsh? Yeah. As far as i know Josh Marsh stepped up to that role to fill the gap left by the last DOF. That job was maybe beyond him but he might be a good asset to have in whatever his previous role was. Either way, he had the position so it was right and proper that the owner publicly backed him. PH gets criticised for not being open enough, but when he has been he gets criticised relentlessly,, every word dissected, misconstrued and twisted to suit. Theres so much appetite for cynicism now, a lot of pretty 'forced' cynicism IMO, that he gets it in the neck whatever he does, whatever he says. All because hes not a billionaire. Weve become a very 'entitled' bunch of fans since we got to the prem. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 2, 2019 14:10:11 GMT 1
You mean we won’t be referring to “the excellent Josh Marsh” ... and instead call him Josh Marsh? Yeah. As far as i know Josh Marsh stepped up to that role to fill the gap left by the last DOF. That job was maybe beyond him but he might be a good asset to have in whatever his previous role was. Either way, he had the position so it was right and proper that the owner publicly backed him. PH gets criticised for not being open enough, but when he has been he gets criticised relentlessly,, every word dissected, misconstrued and twisted to suit. Theres so much appetite for cynicism now, a lot of pretty 'forced' cynicism IMO, that he gets it in the neck whatever he does, whatever he says. All because hes not a billionaire. Weve become a very 'entitled' bunch of fans since we got to the prem. We just need a win or two Slapps, the mood on here would change markedly. |
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Post by specialun on Sept 2, 2019 14:49:52 GMT 1
You mean we won’t be referring to “the excellent Josh Marsh” ... and instead call him Josh Marsh? Yeah. As far as i know Josh Marsh stepped up to that role to fill the gap left by the last DOF. That job was maybe beyond him but he might be a good asset to have in whatever his previous role was. Either way, he had the position so it was right and proper that the owner publicly backed him. PH gets criticised for not being open enough, but when he has been he gets criticised relentlessly,, every word dissected, misconstrued and twisted to suit. Theres so much appetite for cynicism now, a lot of pretty 'forced' cynicism IMO, that he gets it in the neck whatever he does, whatever he says. All because hes not a billionaire. Weve become a very 'entitled' bunch of fans since we got to the prem. I’m not criticising Phil for this - a number of references were made to the excellent Josh Marsh, not just Phil. It was clearly driven by PR Let me also be clear - I’m not criticising him for not having billions I haven’t, I assume you haven’t. But I never made bold statements about being able to invest did I? He was the man who chose to boast about - Pure business being very profitable and very successful ... - I wouldn’t be doing this if I couldn’t afford to do it... - I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t have the money personally / personal wealth to invest in the football club at this level... Actions needed not more words! |
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Post by H7 on Sept 2, 2019 15:22:24 GMT 1
I think it's ridiculous that its been over 2 weeks and we a) haven't appointed anyone yet b) aren't seeing any strong rumours.
The new man should have been unveiled this morning or before Luton, I think we are struggling to attract anyone we consider good enough for the job if I'm being totally honest.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2019 15:30:18 GMT 1
Maybe but theyre all pretty ambiguous statements aren;t they.
I know you have a beef with the profitability of the Pure businesses and i wouldn;t claim to understand the finer working of complicated published accounts like they must have.
Companies can be successful much more than they look on their figures would be my guess, and the bloke has obviously been pretty successful in his business life.. Id imagine hes a multi millionaire.
If he was brassic, or a charlatan etc ( as some like to suggest he is ) then I doubt Dean hoyle would have chosen him as the best person to take the club on and work with. Dean knows him very well.
The idea was the club would be more or less self sustainable and wouldn;t need the huge input of an owner.
WE as fans might prefer it if we had an owner who happily shovels his fortune into the club ( never expecting it back ) but that really is some level of entitlement on our part isn;t it?
All so our hobby is better to watch?
The only actions people seem to want is for PH and DH to give lots of money to the people who thought Mbenza for £11m, Mounie for £12m, Flo for £5m, Sobhi for £5m Diakhaby for £8m etc etc etc was a good idea.
What other actions are they supposed to have done?
Or they could wait for the new DOF and trust in him.
Mistakes have been made, don't think anyone would disagree, them included. But you don;t solve them by adding more vastly overpriced players.
He spoke about a 2 or 3 window task and without saying as much, i think he was refering to the loss of trust in the people who have been sourcing players for this summer.
Think he was just being honest.
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Post by upthetown on Sept 2, 2019 15:45:29 GMT 1
Maybe but theyre all pretty ambiguous statements aren;t they. I know you have a beef with the profitability of the Pure businesses and i wouldn;t claim to understand the finer working of complicated published accounts like they must have. Companies can be successful much more than they look on their figures would be my guess, and the bloke has obviously been pretty successful in his business life.. Id imagine hes a multi millionaire. If he was brassic, or a charlatan etc ( as some like to suggest he is ) then I doubt Dean hoyle would have chosen him as the best person to take the club on and work with. Dean knows him very well. The idea was the club would be more or less self sustainable and wouldn;t need the huge input of an owner. WE as fans might prefer it if we had an owner who happily shovels his fortune into the club ( never expecting it back ) but that really is some level of entitlement on our part isn;t it? All so our hobby is better to watch? The only actions people seem to want is for PH and DH to give lots of money to the people who thought Mbenza for £11m, Mounie for £12m, Flo for £5m, Sobhi for £5m Diakhaby for £8m etc etc etc was a good idea. What other actions are they supposed to have done? Or they could wait for the new DOF and trust in him. Mistakes have been made, don't think anyone would disagree, them included. But you don;t solve them by adding more vastly overpriced players. He spoke about a 2 or 3 window task and without saying as much, i think he was refering to the loss of trust in the people who have been sourcing players for this summer. Think he was just being honest. It would be strange logic though to wait for the DOF given Hoyle had stated that we purposely didn’t want a DOF in place until after the transfer window as he felt himself, PH, Winter and JM were better placed to have a successful, important transfer window. I found that comment odd at the time. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2019 16:01:45 GMT 1
Maybe but theyre all pretty ambiguous statements aren;t they. I know you have a beef with the profitability of the Pure businesses and i wouldn;t claim to understand the finer working of complicated published accounts like they must have. Companies can be successful much more than they look on their figures would be my guess, and the bloke has obviously been pretty successful in his business life.. Id imagine hes a multi millionaire. If he was brassic, or a charlatan etc ( as some like to suggest he is ) then I doubt Dean hoyle would have chosen him as the best person to take the club on and work with. Dean knows him very well. The idea was the club would be more or less self sustainable and wouldn;t need the huge input of an owner. WE as fans might prefer it if we had an owner who happily shovels his fortune into the club ( never expecting it back ) but that really is some level of entitlement on our part isn;t it? All so our hobby is better to watch? The only actions people seem to want is for PH and DH to give lots of money to the people who thought Mbenza for £11m, Mounie for £12m, Flo for £5m, Sobhi for £5m Diakhaby for £8m etc etc etc was a good idea. What other actions are they supposed to have done? Or they could wait for the new DOF and trust in him. Mistakes have been made, don't think anyone would disagree, them included. But you don;t solve them by adding more vastly overpriced players. He spoke about a 2 or 3 window task and without saying as much, i think he was refering to the loss of trust in the people who have been sourcing players for this summer. Think he was just being honest. It would be strange logic though to wait for the DOF given Hoyle had stated that we purposely didn’t want a DOF in place until after the transfer window as he felt himself, PH, Winter and JM were better placed to have a successful, important transfer window. I found that comment odd at the time. It was odd Id agree. Not having a DOF they actually trusted in place was a big mistake IMO. Maybe they had already got their man but were having to wait for him? In the meantime DH had to appear positive about the people in place while we waited? |
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Post by Spike24 on Sept 2, 2019 16:10:15 GMT 1
He doesn't want to be here. We are paying him 100k a month to not want to be here. There is no way on God's earth he will be committed to the cause.. If he was I'd love him here. But he isn't The thing is though we can't sack them all off, s much as we'd like to. I'd get Mounie in and tell him you're not going anywhere till January, roll up your sleeves and get fucking stuck in and give us 100 percent then you can have your move when we can bring in more players. Or they could of told em to get their agents working early august to find em a move, cos they ain't going nowhere once OUR transfer window closes. |
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Post by Spike24 on Sept 2, 2019 16:11:21 GMT 1
The thing is though we can't sack them all off, s much as we'd like to. I'd get Mounie in and tell him you're not going anywhere till January, roll up your sleeves and get fucking stuck in and give us 100 percent then you can have your move when we can bring in more players. Strange target? Why not target Pritchard? Mbenza? Hadergjonaj? At least we've had some goals out of Mounie, what exactly have those other three contributed? Maybe they're not hankering for moves? |
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Post by Spike24 on Sept 2, 2019 16:15:51 GMT 1
Maybe but theyre all pretty ambiguous statements aren;t they. I know you have a beef with the profitability of the Pure businesses and i wouldn;t claim to understand the finer working of complicated published accounts like they must have. Companies can be successful much more than they look on their figures would be my guess, and the bloke has obviously been pretty successful in his business life.. Id imagine hes a multi millionaire. If he was brassic, or a charlatan etc ( as some like to suggest he is ) then I doubt Dean hoyle would have chosen him as the best person to take the club on and work with. Dean knows him very well. The idea was the club would be more or less self sustainable and wouldn;t need the huge input of an owner. WE as fans might prefer it if we had an owner who happily shovels his fortune into the club ( never expecting it back ) but that really is some level of entitlement on our part isn;t it? All so our hobby is better to watch? The only actions people seem to want is for PH and DH to give lots of money to the people who thought Mbenza for £11m, Mounie for £12m, Flo for £5m, Sobhi for £5m Diakhaby for £8m etc etc etc was a good idea. What other actions are they supposed to have done? Or they could wait for the new DOF and trust in him. Mistakes have been made, don't think anyone would disagree, them included. But you don;t solve them by adding more vastly overpriced players. He spoke about a 2 or 3 window task and without saying as much, i think he was refering to the loss of trust in the people who have been sourcing players for this summer. Think he was just being honest. Mbenza 11 million. Give your head a shake. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 16:19:46 GMT 1
Strange target? Why not target Pritchard? Mbenza? Hadergjonaj? At least we've had some goals out of Mounie, what exactly have those other three contributed? Maybe they're not hankering for moves? Who would buy them? |
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Post by buckers on Sept 2, 2019 17:47:16 GMT 1
Was this thread meant about Bolton?
If you look at their Twitter you’d see why.
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Post by York Terrier on Sept 2, 2019 18:49:42 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 2, 2019 19:22:24 GMT 1
Bolton sign 9 freebies or loans....bet they get more fight out of them than our powder-puff ballet boys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 19:25:29 GMT 1
Frazier (Joe) Former schoolteacher maybe? They say you're never too old to learn. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 2, 2019 19:26:51 GMT 1
Frazier (Joe) get a life who are you to correct people's spelling? Do people not deserve to have their names spelled correctly? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 19:33:58 GMT 1
get a life who are you to correct people's spelling? Do people not deserve to have their names spelled correctly? It pisses me right off when people get names wrong! Thanks for the correction MT. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 2, 2019 19:46:54 GMT 1
Not a big day then? Nowt happened!
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Post by marshterrier on Sept 2, 2019 19:50:32 GMT 1
Fook all. Even Boris was a damp squib...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 19:52:46 GMT 1
Do people not deserve to have their names spelled correctly? It pisses me right off when people get names wrong! Thanks for the correction MT. You're a gentleman Mr. Y.  |
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 2, 2019 19:57:22 GMT 1
And then when he doesn't do that? Listen.. I get your point, and I'd love a revved up Mounie to. Be leading our attack. But it's not going to happen. Happy to be proved wrong. All that ANC recuperation time was just guff. He wants out. I get that others do too. But it appears those others are at least prepared to knuckle down for the time being I'm not sure I've ever seen a more p****d off employee of an organisation than SM at Luton. ...but TBF Ted when he came on he looked lean and hungry & we played better with him and Grant in a two than at any time previously. I think we've got to try the partnership and if his toys get thrown out of the pram again THEN we stop playing him. I think he may have rightly recognised the best way for him to get a move now is to regain some of his reputation. .....and I accept I might be wrong but as (in your eyes) we seem lumbered with him what is there really to lose by giving him a chance? Much more potentially to gain IMHO. |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 2, 2019 19:58:43 GMT 1
Mounie is awful. One of the problems of our legacy and I would be delighted to see him leave Has to be one of worst footballers I have ever seen. He can't even head a ball now. I coach under 9s who have better technical skills (comparatively speaking) than this joker. He may be a nice fella but is a poor footballer I cant believe you`re serious, scored more premiership goals than any other player in our two seasons there, ten in his fledgling season, sure last year was poor, bur nobody shone, we were a crap team that were well out of its depth, but to say hes one of the worst footballers you`ve ever seen is.....well i dont know what it is, i`ll say `extremely odd` to be polite. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 2, 2019 20:01:32 GMT 1
And then when he doesn't do that? Listen.. I get your point, and I'd love a revved up Mounie to. Be leading our attack. But it's not going to happen. Happy to be proved wrong. All that ANC recuperation time was just guff. He wants out. I get that others do too. But it appears those others are at least prepared to knuckle down for the time being I'm not sure I've ever seen a more p****d off employee of an organisation than SM at Luton. ...but TBF Ted when he came on he looked lean and hungry & we played better with him and Grant in a two than at any time previously. I think we've got to try the partnership and if his toys get thrown out of the pram again THEN we stop playing him. I think he may have rightly recognised the best way for him to get a move now is to regain some of his reputation. .....and I accept I might be wrong but as (in your eyes) we seem lumbered with him what is there really to lose by giving him a chance? Much more potentially to gain IMHO. Hey.. If he ends up staying as looks increasingly likely I'm all for the new gaffer trying to integrate him into the squad.. Absolutely. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 20:09:32 GMT 1
We just need to let him drive a fire engine to every match.
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Post by boooothy on Sept 2, 2019 20:21:01 GMT 1
If Mounie is staying we now have him, Grant, Kachunga, Campbell and Quaner all centre forwards really.
The 2 sprinters are the only wingers. Surely the new manager needs to look at a change in formation? Mounie could be crucial, sure the other 4 could like to play off him.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 2, 2019 20:30:25 GMT 1
If Mounie is staying we now have him, Grant, Kachunga, Campbell and Quaner all centre forwards really. The 2 sprinters are the only wingers. Surely the new manager needs to look at a change in formation? Mounie could be crucial, sure the other 4 could like to play off him. Perhaps the new manager has requested that we keep hold of Mounie |
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