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Post by King Curtis on Sept 10, 2019 20:53:02 GMT 1
Talking of playing to players strengths, If you were the Cowleys, what would you class as our strengths? Serious question, not being sarcastic. I would say our main strength is our pace at the front end KG, AD, IM, JK. And the fact that we have a goalscorer To me that means early balls into the channels, low balls into the box etc. As opposed to possession football which suited us when Mooy was running the show. I get the gist of your post and I think I agree in the main. My problem is that from what I've seen AD and IM have nothing else to offer but pace. Literally - they are never in control of the football. Who scouted those 2? |
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Post by Maynardblue on Sept 10, 2019 21:07:04 GMT 1
I wouldn't say it's a particularly big strength... But with the players at his disposal I can't see many other strengths tbh
I can't really see any other way of playing with these players
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Post by pettsy74 on Sept 10, 2019 21:39:38 GMT 1
I've watched town for forty years. I've seen pretty much every formation and style going . I've heard opinions from fans ranging from the gerrit forward brigade to the gegenpressing guru's and everything inbetween. The one constant is I've never not felt entertained if town win. It's as simple as that. I genuinely don't give a toss how we play as long as we start winning games !!!
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 10, 2019 21:45:19 GMT 1
Talking of playing to players strengths, If you were the Cowleys, what would you class as our strengths? Serious question, not being sarcastic. I would say our main strength is our pace at the front end KG, AD, IM, JK. And the fact that we have a goalscorer To me that means early balls into the channels, low balls into the box etc. As opposed to possession football which suited us when Mooy was running the show. I get the gist of your post and I think I agree in the main. My problem is that from what I've seen AD and IM have nothing else to offer but pace. Literally - they are never in control of the football. Who scouted those 2? That bit of play from Diakhaby on 20 seconds was sublime. First touch perfection, ridiculous pace to cruise away and then go past the defender like he isn't there and then the awareness to look up and find Grant with the pull back who finished it poorly. He's got loads of ability, PH said as much from seeing him everyday in Austria. He just needs to calm down a bit in match situations which will come as he plays more games and matures. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 10, 2019 22:01:10 GMT 1
My views on how I think football should be played are well known, but putting that aside and being totally objective for a moment, I would like to ask a genuine question.
With the players we currently have in our squad, do we actually think we are suited to play long ball?
I'm not sure. I can see an argument for hitting spaces and trying to utilise pace, but I'm not convinced we have the players to play a typical long ball game. I don't think simply "getting it in the mixer" with the players we currently have would necessarily work.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 10, 2019 22:14:51 GMT 1
I get the gist of your post and I think I agree in the main. My problem is that from what I've seen AD and IM have nothing else to offer but pace. Literally - they are never in control of the football. Who scouted those 2? That bit of play from Diakhaby on 20 seconds was sublime. First touch perfection, ridiculous pace to cruise away and then go past the defender like he isn't there and then the awareness to look up and find Grant with the pull back who finished it poorly. He's got loads of ability, PH said as much from seeing him everyday in Austria. He just needs to calm down a bit in match situations which will come as he plays more games and matures. I hope you are right. PH is the same as me and thee when judging a player. He's not gonna come out with 'he's shite' is he?! |
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 10, 2019 22:19:49 GMT 1
My views on how I think football should be played are well known, but putting that aside and being totally objective for a moment, I would like to ask a genuine question. With the players we currently have in our squad, do we actually think we are suited to play long ball? I'm not sure. I can see an argument for hitting spaces and trying to utilise pace, but I'm not convinced we have the players to play a typical long ball game. I don't think simply "getting it in the mixer" with the players we currently have would necessarily work. In not a long ball fan. But, there are times ahab an EARLY ball either on the angle or down the line over the full back for a speed merchant's to get behind them is absolutely the right thing to do, rather than turn back, play inside and wait for them to get 8 behind the ball again. Football can be made too complicated. If you have the pace to beat the defender knock out last then and run after it rather than piss about with it. It works against us, it's about time we utilised the pace in our team properly. |
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 10, 2019 22:58:54 GMT 1
My views on how I think football should be played are well known, but putting that aside and being totally objective for a moment, I would like to ask a genuine question. With the players we currently have in our squad, do we actually think we are suited to play long ball? I'm not sure. I can see an argument for hitting spaces and trying to utilise pace, but I'm not convinced we have the players to play a typical long ball game. I don't think simply "getting it in the mixer" with the players we currently have would necessarily work. Cringe. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 10, 2019 23:07:09 GMT 1
Talking of playing to players strengths, If you were the Cowleys, what would you class as our strengths? Serious question, not being sarcastic. I would say our main strength is our pace at the front end KG, AD, IM, JK. And the fact that we have a goalscorer To me that means early balls into the channels, low balls into the box etc. As opposed to possession football which suited us when Mooy was running the show. 1. We have some pace......but we HAVE to use it to get behind teams with more than one body. 2. The two centre backs are good - dont leave them over exposed and we will be ok. 3. The central midfield lads if used properly should flourish - there is a mix of grit, unpredictability and quality but it needs harnessing. 4. Mounie if he is willing could be a huge asset with good coaching and management. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 10, 2019 23:44:47 GMT 1
Talking of playing to players strengths, If you were the Cowleys, what would you class as our strengths? Serious question, not being sarcastic. I would say our main strength is our pace at the front end KG, AD, IM, JK. And the fact that we have a goalscorer To me that means early balls into the channels, low balls into the box etc. As opposed to possession football which suited us when Mooy was running the show. I get the gist of your post and I think I agree in the main. My problem is that from what I've seen AD and IM have nothing else to offer but pace. Literally - they are never in control of the football. Who scouted those 2? A computer. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 10, 2019 23:46:25 GMT 1
My views on how I think football should be played are well known, but putting that aside and being totally objective for a moment, I would like to ask a genuine question. With the players we currently have in our squad, do we actually think we are suited to play long ball? I'm not sure. I can see an argument for hitting spaces and trying to utilise pace, but I'm not convinced we have the players to play a typical long ball game. I don't think simply "getting it in the mixer" with the players we currently have would necessarily work. Cringe. You what? |
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Post by impact on Sept 11, 2019 0:26:45 GMT 1
I get the gist of your post and I think I agree in the main. My problem is that from what I've seen AD and IM have nothing else to offer but pace. Literally - they are never in control of the football. Who scouted those 2? That bit of play from Diakhaby on 20 seconds was sublime. First touch perfection, ridiculous pace to cruise away and then go past the defender like he isn't there and then the awareness to look up and find Grant with the pull back who finished it poorly. He's got loads of ability, PH said as much from seeing him everyday in Austria. He just needs to calm down a bit in match situations which will come as he plays more games and matures. Diakhaby's problem is he's clueless off the ball. Defensively he may as well not be there as he forgets to track back. When we have the ball, he rarely makes runs or space for himself. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 11, 2019 0:27:41 GMT 1
Did they play long ball football at Lincoln? Or do they play to beat the opposition and don't have a particular style?
We were considered a possession based side but Lincoln have had more possession in the league this season than us.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 11, 2019 1:05:20 GMT 1
i dont want us to stray too far from what wagner was trying to work us towards as a club but I think the absolute robotic nature of that style of football, which works with the top players, did become a problem for us.
If wagner was our version of klopp I feel the cowleys are more the ferguson types. which is probably a more realistic style for us to aspire to. hard work and steely determination as the building block allowing our flair players to flourish...which will hopefully give our players the confidence to play a bit
wagner worked miracles here but had a very set philosophy which when it hits a brick wall is difficult to get past. the good feeling i have about the cowleys is they will adapt, but we just need to remember the shoes they are trying to fill.
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Post by Ox Terrier on Sept 11, 2019 12:42:42 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. |
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 11, 2019 12:49:48 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Yes. What Culpers said. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 11, 2019 12:59:57 GMT 1
That bit of play from Diakhaby on 20 seconds was sublime. First touch perfection, ridiculous pace to cruise away and then go past the defender like he isn't there and then the awareness to look up and find Grant with the pull back who finished it poorly. He's got loads of ability, PH said as much from seeing him everyday in Austria. He just needs to calm down a bit in match situations which will come as he plays more games and matures. Diakhaby's problem is he's clueless off the ball. Defensively he may as well not be there as he forgets to track back. When we have the ball, he rarely makes runs or space for himself. For the 30 seconds per game where he has the ball and runs with it, he looks ok. The rest of the 89.5 mins he might as well sit with me in the stands He doesn't show for the ball, he walks back when attacks break down and he never puts himself into space during an attack. he doesn't attack the far post when a cross comes in from the opposite wing. I could go on. Fingers crossed DC can get in his head and turn him into a player. Along with mounie, and IM. But i for one will not be holding my breath |
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Post by tobbyg on Sept 11, 2019 13:08:52 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick a bit, I took it as more of a I won’t repeat myself again type comment after remembering his previous posts. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 11, 2019 13:21:17 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Over the many years I've posted on this board I've often talked about my preference for watching passing football. We all have our pet-subjects, and I suppose that is one of mine. I didn't want to repeat myself again. I wasn't suggesting for one moment that I am a well-known football guru whose views are known throughout the footballing world (or even our little corner of West Yorkshire!). I just presumed many (particularly long-term posters) wouldn't want to here me saying the same thing again. When I stated "well-known", I meant well-known to regular long-term posters on here, in the same way most of us know about Nick's obsession with Lee Clark. We can all be like cracked records when it comes to our pet-subjects - I am certainly no different. I obviously came across in the wrong way. I wouldn't suggest that I am some sort of esteemed centre of footballing knowledge - I am far from that. Apologies to anyone I have made 'cringe'.  |
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Post by royrace on Sept 11, 2019 13:58:55 GMT 1
Diakhaby's problem is he's clueless off the ball. Defensively he may as well not be there as he forgets to track back. When we have the ball, he rarely makes runs or space for himself. For the 30 seconds per game where he has the ball and runs with it, he looks ok. The rest of the 89.5 mins he might as well sit with me in the stands He doesn't show for the ball, he walks back when attacks break down and he never puts himself into space during an attack. he doesn't attack the far post when a cross comes in from the opposite wing. I could go on. Fingers crossed DC can get in his head and turn him into a player. Along with mounie, and IM. But i for one will not be holding my breath Exactly, one sublime piece of skill per match but dire for the rest of it. I'll be amazed if he's ever anything more than an impact sub for us but you never know, management team certainly have their work cut out with those two. I fear they may be very disappointed if they have seen the receipt! |
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Post by htfctx on Sept 11, 2019 14:07:13 GMT 1
We are not playing long ball. We have very little height up front and even less in midfield.
( think Spurs v Ajax before/after Lorrente came on )
2nd ball midfield, we are even smaller.
Mounie aside, who wins a header in the final third?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 11, 2019 14:12:48 GMT 1
For the 30 seconds per game where he has the ball and runs with it, he looks ok. The rest of the 89.5 mins he might as well sit with me in the stands He doesn't show for the ball, he walks back when attacks break down and he never puts himself into space during an attack. he doesn't attack the far post when a cross comes in from the opposite wing. I could go on. Fingers crossed DC can get in his head and turn him into a player. Along with mounie, and IM. But i for one will not be holding my breath Exactly, one sublime piece of skill per match but dire for the rest of it. I'll be amazed if he's ever anything more than an impact sub for us but you never know, management team certainly have their work cut out with those two. I fear they may be very disappointed if they have seen the receipt! Put much more tempo in our getting the ball forward or from back to front and pace up front becomes far more important. Nothing worse than really quick players always getting the ball facing their own goal miles from the opponent's goal and with defenders in their shorts and outnumbering them. Away from home I would never let Diakhaby come anywhere near our goal and make him the 'threat' of any out ball to the opposition. Yours or anyone else's opinion on his technical ability or finishing is immaterial given you can never ignore his pace. Nine players with defensive duties built into their game and one with only his own job to Do? He knows where the out all is going to go in all defensive circumstances??? See other teams defending in open play where 2 or 3 never really get back, we could start with one? |
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Post by htfctx on Sept 11, 2019 14:14:54 GMT 1
What about Edmonds Green in a back 3 with Kongolo and Schindler?
Mounie and Grant up top.
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 11, 2019 19:09:57 GMT 1
For the 30 seconds per game where he has the ball and runs with it, he looks ok. The rest of the 89.5 mins he might as well sit with me in the stands He doesn't show for the ball, he walks back when attacks break down and he never puts himself into space during an attack. he doesn't attack the far post when a cross comes in from the opposite wing. I could go on. Fingers crossed DC can get in his head and turn him into a player. Along with mounie, and IM. But i for one will not be holding my breath TBF Turbo he looks a lot more than OK, he looks the one player we've got who has attributes that could take him to a top six club (although he's miles off at present). Agree in the main with the rest of your post (even on the clip posted he was lucky to get the ball as he almost seemed to be hiding - not sure how the pass got to him). However he is getting better at tracking back and his pace can make to an extent for his deficiencies in that area. I'm pleased we've got a coaching team who seem to want to do that (coach). I'm excited about what they could do with AD (but also accept I may be mightily disappointed). |
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Post by pettsy74 on Sept 11, 2019 19:27:08 GMT 1
For the 30 seconds per game where he has the ball and runs with it, he looks ok. The rest of the 89.5 mins he might as well sit with me in the stands He doesn't show for the ball, he walks back when attacks break down and he never puts himself into space during an attack. he doesn't attack the far post when a cross comes in from the opposite wing. I could go on. Fingers crossed DC can get in his head and turn him into a player. Along with mounie, and IM. But i for one will not be holding my breath TBF Turbo he looks a lot more than OK, he looks the one player we've got who has attributes that could take him to a top six club (although he's miles off at present). Agree in the main with the rest of your post (even on the clip posted he was lucky to get the ball as he almost seemed to be hiding - not sure how the pass got to him). However he is getting better at tracking back and his pace can make to an extent for his deficiencies in that area. I'm pleased we've got a coaching team who seem to want to do that (coach). I'm excited about what they could do with AD (but also accept I may be mightily disappointed). If by a top 6 team you mean charlton then I wholeheartedly agree |
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Post by ACW on Sept 11, 2019 19:40:53 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Yes. What Culpers said. Well, you both misunderstood my post. See Tobbyg's post - he understood. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 11, 2019 20:08:31 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. To be fair to Andy, I’m not a massive regular on this site but I know exactly what his football philosophy is - I don’t necessarily agree all the time as I’m a pragmatist, but anyone who is even a semi-regular contributor would have a fair idea of his footballing ideals. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 11, 2019 20:16:34 GMT 1
Talking of playing to players strengths, If you were the Cowleys, what would you class as our strengths? Serious question, not being sarcastic. I would say our main strength is our pace at the front end KG, AD, IM, JK. And the fact that we have a goalscorer To me that means early balls into the channels, low balls into the box etc. As opposed to possession football which suited us when Mooy was running the show. 1. We have some pace......but we HAVE to use it to get behind teams with more than one body. 2. The two centre backs are good - dont leave them over exposed and we will be ok. 3. The central midfield lads if used properly should flourish - there is a mix of grit, unpredictability and quality but it needs harnessing. 4. Mounie if he is willing could be a huge asset with good coaching and management. I think you speak a lot of sense here and I think we need to combine these ideas and my very defensive philosophy on football to create the perfect model for Town. We would clearly work best as a counter-punching team. We are (potentially) very strong defensively. I believe that Grabara, Flo, Schindler, Kongolo and Jayden are a superb back five. Our midfield isn’t great and we can’t score but have devastating pace which would be effective on the break. If I was manager, I’d look to play in a defensive block, aiming to keep clean sheets with 2 holding midfielders and use quick wingers and Grant or Campbell or Mounié to spring forward rapidly. Clean sheets are the most important part of staying up. We kept 10 in our first 36 Prem games and only 5 in our last 46 league games (and they yielded our only 3 wins). |
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Post by Town Duppy on Sept 11, 2019 20:31:15 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Over the many years I've posted on this board I've often talked about my preference to repeat myself again. I am a well-known football guru whose views are known throughout the footballing world (or even our little corner of West Yorkshire!). many (particularly long-term posters) want to here me saying the same thing again. When I stated "well-known", I meant well-known to posters on here, in the same way most of us know about Nick's obsession with Sobhi's bum. We all on crack when it comes to our pet-subjects - I am certainly no different. I obviously came across in the wrong way. I am some sort of esteemed centre of footballing knowledge - I am that. Apologies to anyone I have made 'cringe'.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 11, 2019 22:12:41 GMT 1
I think he means your comment, in bold, is cringeworthy. Perhaps you mean you’ve typed a couple of messages on this forum. Not sure that constitutes being ‘well known’. In his defence, I thought ‘cringe’ when I read your original message. Maybe your views ARE well known though and we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick a bit, I took it as more of a I won’t repeat myself again type comment after remembering his previous posts. So perhaps start with "I've said this before" It came across all sky sports pundit the way it was written. |
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