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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2019 11:21:30 GMT 1
Just running through our current squad and please tell me if you feel I'm wrong on any player but from what we've seen so far this season and what we've seen on the past two seasons.
Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far.
Flo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target.
Schindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four.
Kongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there.
Elphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing.
Jaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed.
O'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No.
Chalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us.
Hogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a leader and battler.
Bacuna - Raw and still not ready, wasn't ready for the Prem and doesn't quite look ready for the Championship. A player in there somewhere.
Diakhaby - Never in a million years will he be any use in England.
Mbenza - See above.
Grant - Another rare diamond in this pile of S*hite, a steal for 1.5 million, will score goals.
Campbell - Our hardest worker yesterday and at 32, put others to shame, will be useful.
Quaner - Average for Ipswich on loan and is living off a good 30 minute cameo against Wednesday 3 years ago. Should of gone in summer.
Kachunga - Like a few others is a battler and has done well at this level, good to have around and should start for me.
Koroma - clearly not ready, but can he be any worse than the chuckle brothers.
Reece Brown - double figures for goals and assists last season, how far off the pace is he? another who isn't ready.
Bockhorn - who'd of thought a 24 year old who has only played in the German 4th division wouldn't be up to much eh?
Stankovic - No worse than Elphick and can pick a pass, starts for me if we are persistent playing Kongolo out wide.
Mounie - Doesn't want to be here, he should be useful in this division given his presence but you just know he wont be.
Pritchard - Needs to start replicating his Norwich form and fast, he has been largely anonymous in his spell here, time to step up now.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 16, 2019 11:22:33 GMT 1
Just running through our current squad and please tell me if you feel I'm wrong on any player but from what we've seen so far this season and what we've seen on the past two seasons. And your point is?  I think you omitted some stats... |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2019 11:30:58 GMT 1
Just running through our current squad and please tell me if you feel I'm wrong on any player but from what we've seen so far this season and what we've seen on the past two seasons. And your point is? I think you omitted some stats... My post posted before I had chance to add my points, see amended post  |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 16, 2019 11:43:02 GMT 1
Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far. PLAY but needs to work on kicking and positioning
Flo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target. DROP
Schindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four. DROP
Kongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there. PLAY
Elphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing. DROP
Jaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed. PLAY
O'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No. PLAY
Chalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us. PLAY
Hogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a leader and battler. DROP
Bacuna - Raw and still not ready, wasn't ready for the Prem and doesn't quite look ready for the Championship. A player in there somewhere. PLAY
Diakhaby - Never in a million years will he be any use in England. DROP
Mbenza - See above. DROP
Grant - Another rare diamond in this pile of S*hite, a steal for 1.5 million, will score goals. PLAY
Campbell - Our hardest worker yesterday and at 32, put others to shame, will be useful. PLAY
Quaner - Average for Ipswich on loan and is living off a good 30 minute cameo against Wednesday 3 years ago. Should of gone in summer. DROP
Kachunga - Like a few others is a battler and has done well at this level, good to have around and should start for me. DROP
Koroma - clearly not ready, but can he be any worse than the chuckle brothers. PLAY
Reece Brown - double figures for goals and assists last season, how far off the pace is he? another who isn't ready. PLAY
Bockhorn - who'd of thought a 24 year old who has only played in the German 4th division wouldn't be up to much eh? PLAY
Stankovic - No worse than Elphick and can pick a pass, starts for me if we are persistent playing Kongolo out wide. PLAY
Mounie - Doesn't want to be here, he should be useful in this division given his presence but you just know he wont be. DROP
I'd also suggest that we ditch the playing out from the back system; find one that gets us up the pitch quicker before the oppos have chance/time to get ten men behind the ball on every attack. But then, the Cowleys already know this and it is a stated aim.
Noticed yesterday that Westwood never fannied about with it once when he had the ball - drop-kicks and goal-kicks all went long, which is fine if you have someone up there to win the ball as they did, but should be an option - even Lossl did it once he'd delayed for a half a century looking at his centre-halves either side of our box.
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Post by htfcsince70 on Sept 16, 2019 11:54:38 GMT 1
Bacuna strolls about as though he is a player - he has a lot to prove and isn't far behind Diakahby and Mbenza in being shite!
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2019 12:03:05 GMT 1
Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far. PLAY but needs to work on kicking and positioningFlo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target. DROPSchindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four. DROPKongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there. PLAYElphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing. DROPJaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed. PLAYO'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No. PLAYChalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us. PLAYHogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a leader and battler. DROPBacuna - Raw and still not ready, wasn't ready for the Prem and doesn't quite look ready for the Championship. A player in there somewhere. PLAYDiakhaby - Never in a million years will he be any use in England. DROPMbenza - See above. DROPGrant - Another rare diamond in this pile of S*hite, a steal for 1.5 million, will score goals. PLAYCampbell - Our hardest worker yesterday and at 32, put others to shame, will be useful. PLAYQuaner - Average for Ipswich on loan and is living off a good 30 minute cameo against Wednesday 3 years ago. Should of gone in summer. DROPKachunga - Like a few others is a battler and has done well at this level, good to have around and should start for me. DROPKoroma - clearly not ready, but can he be any worse than the chuckle brothers. PLAYReece Brown - double figures for goals and assists last season, how far off the pace is he? another who isn't ready. PLAYBockhorn - who'd of thought a 24 year old who has only played in the German 4th division wouldn't be up to much eh? PLAYStankovic - No worse than Elphick and can pick a pass, starts for me if we are persistent playing Kongolo out wide. PLAYMounie - Doesn't want to be here, he should be useful in this division given his presence but you just know he wont be. DROPI'd also suggest that we ditch the playing out from the back system; find one that gets us up the pitch quicker before the oppos have chance/time to get ten men behind the ball on every attack. But then, the Cowleys already know this and it is a stated aim. Noticed yesterday that Westwood never fannied about with it once when he had the ball - drop-kicks and goal-kicks all went long, which is fine if you have someone up there to win the ball as they did, but should be an option - even Lossl did it once he'd delayed for a half a century looking at his centre-halves either side of our box. Not sure if you've seen Bockhorn play but from the two friendlies and the game against Lincoln I saw. He will never make it at this level, Flo is better and that's saying something. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 16, 2019 12:30:13 GMT 1
Just running through our current squad and please tell me if you feel I'm wrong on any player but from what we've seen so far this season and what we've seen on the past two seasons. Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far. Flo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target. Schindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four. Kongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there. Elphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing. Jaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed. O'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No. Chalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us. Hogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a leader and battler. Bacuna - Raw and still not ready, wasn't ready for the Prem and doesn't quite look ready for the Championship. A player in there somewhere. Diakhaby - Never in a million years will he be any use in England. Mbenza - See above. Grant - Another rare diamond in this pile of S*hite, a steal for 1.5 million, will score goals. Campbell - Our hardest worker yesterday and at 32, put others to shame, will be useful. Quaner - Average for Ipswich on loan and is living off a good 30 minute cameo against Wednesday 3 years ago. Should of gone in summer. Kachunga - Like a few others is a battler and has done well at this level, good to have around and should start for me. Koroma - clearly not ready, but can he be any worse than the chuckle brothers. Reece Brown - double figures for goals and assists last season, how far off the pace is he? another who isn't ready. Bockhorn - who'd of thought a 24 year old who has only played in the German 4th division wouldn't be up to much eh? Stankovic - No worse than Elphick and can pick a pass, starts for me if we are persistent playing Kongolo out wide. Mounie - Doesn't want to be here, he should be useful in this division given his presence but you just know he wont be. Pritchard - Needs to start replicating his Norwich form and fast, he has been largely anonymous in his spell here, time to step up now. I’m finding it hard to disagree with this assessment. If we know this, hopefully very soon Webb and the Cowleys will too. If any money is available for January they have a good few months to plan. Somehow got to scrape some points together so we can reach January with a fighting chance to stay up. I never thought, given our most recent history, that I would watch our team and realise that all over the pitch, we are sub standard. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 16, 2019 12:38:08 GMT 1
Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far. PLAY but needs to work on kicking and positioningFlo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target. DROPSchindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four. DROPKongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there. PLAYElphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing. DROPJaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed. PLAYO'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No. PLAYChalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us. PLAYHogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a leader and battler. DROPBacuna - Raw and still not ready, wasn't ready for the Prem and doesn't quite look ready for the Championship. A player in there somewhere. PLAYDiakhaby - Never in a million years will he be any use in England. DROPMbenza - See above. DROPGrant - Another rare diamond in this pile of S*hite, a steal for 1.5 million, will score goals. PLAYCampbell - Our hardest worker yesterday and at 32, put others to shame, will be useful. PLAYQuaner - Average for Ipswich on loan and is living off a good 30 minute cameo against Wednesday 3 years ago. Should of gone in summer. DROPKachunga - Like a few others is a battler and has done well at this level, good to have around and should start for me. DROPKoroma - clearly not ready, but can he be any worse than the chuckle brothers. PLAYReece Brown - double figures for goals and assists last season, how far off the pace is he? another who isn't ready. PLAYBockhorn - who'd of thought a 24 year old who has only played in the German 4th division wouldn't be up to much eh? PLAYStankovic - No worse than Elphick and can pick a pass, starts for me if we are persistent playing Kongolo out wide. PLAYMounie - Doesn't want to be here, he should be useful in this division given his presence but you just know he wont be. DROPI'd also suggest that we ditch the playing out from the back system; find one that gets us up the pitch quicker before the oppos have chance/time to get ten men behind the ball on every attack. But then, the Cowleys already know this and it is a stated aim. Noticed yesterday that Westwood never fannied about with it once when he had the ball - drop-kicks and goal-kicks all went long, which is fine if you have someone up there to win the ball as they did, but should be an option - even Lossl did it once he'd delayed for a half a century looking at his centre-halves either side of our box. Maybe that's the answer. Somehow find a way to "play" twelve without the ref noticing |
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Post by arroloui on Sept 16, 2019 13:20:23 GMT 1
What are need is 12 players who don't have a club at the moment..
Ok there is a reason why they don't have a club..
But let's face it if all the current teams contract was up they wouldn't have a team either..
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 16, 2019 13:39:27 GMT 1
Maybe that's the answer. Somehow find a way to "play" twelve without the ref noticing Didnt make myself clear - I don't mean play them all in one team/game; I was merely suggesting who out of the squad I would play/keep. *RVLP FanClub In re: Bockhorn, no I've never seen him play but imagined that he has to be worth a shot given just how poor Hadergjonaj is. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2019 13:46:39 GMT 1
Maybe that's the answer. Somehow find a way to "play" twelve without the ref noticing Didnt make myself clear - I don't mean play them all in one team/game; I was merely suggesting who out of the squad I would play/keep. *RVLP FanClub In re: Bockhorn, no I've never seen him play but imagined that he has to be worth a shot given just how poor Hadergjonaj is. Not the answer from what I've seen, I'd rather Duhaney (when fit) given a shot. Bockhorn looks like a competition winner. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 13:57:10 GMT 1
Didnt make myself clear - I don't mean play them all in one team/game; I was merely suggesting who out of the squad I would play/keep. *RVLP FanClub In re: Bockhorn, no I've never seen him play but imagined that he has to be worth a shot given just how poor Hadergjonaj is. , I'd rather Duhaney (when fit) given a shot. Bockhorn looks like a competition winner. He's played 1 game for fucks sake. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2019 14:01:19 GMT 1
Not the answer from what I've seen, I'd rather Duhaney (when fit) given a shot. Bockhorn looks like a competition winner. He's played 1 game for fucks sake. Seen him play live in 3, from what I've seen and from being involved in football all my life he isn't going to cut it. You'd think if he was he'd of been actively involved more than just once against Lincoln with Flo being so poor? The German 4th Division is far worse than our conference, it is a hell of a jump up and at 24 he isn't exactly a really young prospect. It's a gamble that won't pay off, if it does I owe you a few pints and i'll eat my words. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 14:05:31 GMT 1
He's played 1 game for fucks sake. Seen him play live in 3, from what I've seen and from being involved in football all my life he isn't going to cut it. You'd think if he was he'd of been actively involved more than just once against Lincoln with Flo being so poor? The German 4th Division is far worse than our conference, it is a hell of a jump up and at 24 he isn't exactly a really young prospect. It's a gamble that won't pay off, if it does I owe you a few pints and i'll eat my words. I don't drink  |
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Post by spots on Sept 16, 2019 20:09:50 GMT 1
Just running through our current squad and please tell me if you feel I'm wrong on any player but from what we've seen so far this season and what we've seen on the past two seasons. And your point is? I think you omitted some stats... And which of the above are the new 5 who have said this season, I say this season, they don't want to be here? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 16, 2019 20:24:33 GMT 1
He's played 1 game for fucks sake. Seen him play live in 3, from what I've seen and from being involved in football all my life he isn't going to cut it. You'd think if he was he'd of been actively involved more than just once against Lincoln with Flo being so poor? The German 4th Division is far worse than our conference, it is a hell of a jump up and at 24 he isn't exactly a really young prospect. It's a gamble that won't pay off, if it does I owe you a few pints and i'll eat my words. So who watched him when Siewert recommended him or did we just sign him? What a waste and it's a good job Siewert has gone if he thought he was what we needed to replace Smith. |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 16, 2019 20:33:09 GMT 1
Just running through our current squad and please tell me if you feel I'm wrong on any player but from what we've seen so far this season and what we've seen on the past two seasons. Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far. Flo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target. Schindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four. Kongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there. Elphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing. Jaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed. O'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No. Chalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us. Hogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a leader and battler. Bacuna - Raw and still not ready, wasn't ready for the Prem and doesn't quite look ready for the Championship. A player in there somewhere. Diakhaby - Never in a million years will he be any use in England. Mbenza - See above. Grant - Another rare diamond in this pile of S*hite, a steal for 1.5 million, will score goals. Campbell - Our hardest worker yesterday and at 32, put others to shame, will be useful. Quaner - Average for Ipswich on loan and is living off a good 30 minute cameo against Wednesday 3 years ago. Should of gone in summer. Kachunga - Like a few others is a battler and has done well at this level, good to have around and should start for me. Koroma - clearly not ready, but can he be any worse than the chuckle brothers. Reece Brown - double figures for goals and assists last season, how far off the pace is he? another who isn't ready. Bockhorn - who'd of thought a 24 year old who has only played in the German 4th division wouldn't be up to much eh? Stankovic - No worse than Elphick and can pick a pass, starts for me if we are persistent playing Kongolo out wide. Mounie - Doesn't want to be here, he should be useful in this division given his presence but you just know he wont be. Pritchard - Needs to start replicating his Norwich form and fast, he has been largely anonymous in his spell here, time to step up now. Think you should change your name bro.. Bored wi current one.. |
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Post by midlander on Sept 16, 2019 20:34:40 GMT 1
I love all these references to Flo being so poor. Without him we carry absolutely zero attacking threat. He is our main attacking outlet. Yes, his one to one defending isn't good enough. Yes, his final ball in attacking sense is often not brilliant. However, I'd counter it with the fact that he never hides, bombs forward and back constantly and gets into some very intelligent attacking positions. I abhhor the scapegoating of him especially when he has, despite not being great, been far better than Schindler, Hogg, Bacuna, Grant, Elphick and every wide player so far this season.
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Post by digs on Sept 16, 2019 20:37:27 GMT 1
I love all these references to Flo being so poor. Without him we carry absolutely zero attacking threat. He is our main attacking outlet. Yes, his one to one defending isn't good enough. Yes, his final ball in attacking sense is often not brilliant. However, I'd counter it with the fact that he never hides, bombs forward and back constantly and gets into some very intelligent attacking positions. I abhhor the scapegoating of him especially when he has, despite not being great, been far better than Schindler, Hogg, Bacuna, Grant, Elphick and every wide player so far this season. so hes our main attacking outlet,but can't cross the ball or beat a man,your right about the rest of the wasters in the team though |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 16, 2019 20:49:06 GMT 1
Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far.....GOING TO BE TOP DRAWER. Flo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target. NOT COVERING HIMSELF IN GLORY BUT BETTER THAN MANY CLAIM. Schindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four. YOUR HEAD WOULD GO DOWN PLAYING WITH THAT LOT. GREAT PLAYER. Kongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there. AGREED Elphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing. AGREED...BIG MISTAKE Jaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed. NOT SEEN ENOUGH. O'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No. NO MOOY BUT IMPRESSIVE. LOTS TO COME. Chalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us. JUST A BIT ONE-DIMENSIONAL. GOOD BUT NOT THE BEES. Hogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a leader and battler. SO IS AN ALSATIAN Bacuna - Raw and still not ready, wasn't ready for the Prem and doesn't quite look ready for the Championship. A player in there somewhere. DEFFO...POSSIBLY THE BEST IN THE SQUAD. Diakhaby - Never in a million years will he be any use in England. AGREED Mbenza - See above. WORST SIGNING SINCE TRACY AUSTIN Grant - Another rare diamond in this pile of S*hite, a steal for 1.5 million, will score goals. NOT SEEING IT. AT HIS LEVEL. Campbell - Our hardest worker yesterday and at 32, put others to shame, will be useful. AGREED. Quaner - Average for Ipswich on loan and is living off a good 30 minute cameo against Wednesday 3 years ago. Should of gone in summer. NEVER SEEN A FOOTBALLER. Kachunga - Like a few others is a battler and has done well at this level, good to have around and should start for me. SHOULD BUGGER OFF FOR ME. Koroma - clearly not ready, but can he be any worse than the chuckle brothers. NOT SEEN ENOUGH. Reece Brown - double figures for goals and assists last season, how far off the pace is he? another who isn't ready. DITTO. Bockhorn - who'd of thought a 24 year old who has only played in the German 4th division wouldn't be up to much eh? WHO? Stankovic - No worse than Elphick and can pick a pass, starts for me if we are persistent playing Kongolo out wide. IS HE STILL HERE? Mounie - Doesn't want to be here, he should be useful in this division given his presence but you just know he wont be. SHITE. Pritchard - Needs to start replicating his Norwich form and fast, he has been largely anonymous in his spell here, time to step up now. LIKE A BAD CALZONE, HOT THEN COLD Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/113045/current-squad-status#ixzz5zic5j3u5 |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 16, 2019 21:03:29 GMT 1
Grabara - Looks steady enough for this level from what we've seen so far. PLAY but needs to work on kicking and positioningFlo - Not good enough offensively or defensively, too easy to expose and target. DROPSchindler - Confidence shot, definitely good enough in a steadied back four. DROPKongolo - I'll keep stating he is one of the best centre halves in this division if played there. PLAYElphick - Legs have gone, would do a job at a lower level, mistake of a signing. DROPJaden Brown - Looks OK from what we've seen so far BUT we needed to sign a proven left back in the summer but tried and failed. PLAYO'Brien - a bit off the pace in this division, definitely a squad player but Mooy replacement? No. PLAYChalobah - a centre half by trade has been our most effective midfielder, a good signing and a rare diamond so far, feel he could be playing for a team better than us. PLAYHogg - recycles and wins the ball back well and always will, his passing leaves a lot to be desired at times but is a Maybe that's the answer. Somehow find a way to "play" twelve without the ref noticing 13! Picking Hoggy is like having an extra man. |
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Post by midlander on Sept 16, 2019 22:49:57 GMT 1
I love all these references to Flo being so poor. Without him we carry absolutely zero attacking threat. He is our main attacking outlet. Yes, his one to one defending isn't good enough. Yes, his final ball in attacking sense is often not brilliant. However, I'd counter it with the fact that he never hides, bombs forward and back constantly and gets into some very intelligent attacking positions. I abhhor the scapegoating of him especially when he has, despite not being great, been far better than Schindler, Hogg, Bacuna, Grant, Elphick and every wide player so far this season. so hes our main attacking outlet,but can't cross the ball or beat a man,your right about the rest of the wasters in the team though The way we set up forces that burden on him though. Similar to when Smith was a massive weapon in promotion season. Flo has a lot of things he isn't good at, but he is always amongst the first to be ridiculed when there are plenty of others who are performing far worse. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 16, 2019 22:58:43 GMT 1
so hes our main attacking outlet,but can't cross the ball or beat a man,your right about the rest of the wasters in the team though The way we set up forces that burden on him though. Similar to when Smith was a massive weapon in promotion season. Flo has a lot of things he isn't good at, but he is always amongst the first to be ridiculed when there are plenty of others who are performing far worse. Thats because there are frequent signs of cowardice - physically pulling out of challenges not once but repeatedly is not acceptable for anyone. Also, folks know he thought he was better than us and wanted away...............as such, until he proves hes committed and wants to do well here then he will get abuse which is worse than others. |
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Post by midlander on Sept 16, 2019 23:25:49 GMT 1
The way we set up forces that burden on him though. Similar to when Smith was a massive weapon in promotion season. Flo has a lot of things he isn't good at, but he is always amongst the first to be ridiculed when there are plenty of others who are performing far worse. Thats because there are frequent signs of cowardice - physically pulling out of challenges not once but repeatedly is not acceptable for anyone. Also, folks know he thought he was better than us and wanted away...............as such, until he proves hes committed and wants to do well here then he will get abuse which is worse than others. I get that he has more to prove and that he is half hearted in challenges. But that isn't going to change as he always seems scared of his body snapping. Maybe he had a bad impact injury as a youngster which affects him? Point is, that that side of his game is what it is. Accept that bit and then watch him. The lad genuinely covers so much ground and works hard to get in attacking positions. Think he is better suited further forwards but then, like many of our players, his final ball is more hit than miss. Thing is Town fans will always favour a robust tackler over most other types of player. Lee Makel was quite possibly, until Mooy, the best passer of a ball I have seen in a Town shirt but he is mostly remembered as a soft lad who wouldn't tackle. Flo is the easy scapegoat when many other players are further away from their potential than he is this season. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 16, 2019 23:56:15 GMT 1
Hadergonjaj does get a harsh rap on here but I also understand why. He offers something going forwards and does well to cover the ground but doesn't have anyone allowing him to properly play the overlap when he's coming from deep, like Smith did so successfully (Can't believe we let him go).
But his defending isn't great, it maybe that he's struggling combining the two and covering the ground but I do think it would be best for him to concentrate on that wing position.
I would look at playing a back three of kongolo, Schindler and stankovic, with wing backs of hadergonjaj and brown.
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Post by willo on Sept 17, 2019 0:00:50 GMT 1
Seen him play live in 3, from what I've seen and from being involved in football all my life he isn't going to cut it. You'd think if he was he'd of been actively involved more than just once against Lincoln with Flo being so poor? The German 4th Division is far worse than our conference, it is a hell of a jump up and at 24 he isn't exactly a really young prospect. It's a gamble that won't pay off, if it does I owe you a few pints and i'll eat my words. I don't drink Can’t believe there isn’t anyone on this forum that hasn’t been driven to drink given what we’ve had to put up with for the best part of 12 months. |
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Post by htafc on Sept 17, 2019 1:29:28 GMT 1
I love all these references to Flo being so poor. Without him we carry absolutely zero attacking threat. He is our main attacking outlet. Yes, his one to one defending isn't good enough. Yes, his final ball in attacking sense is often not brilliant. However, I'd counter it with the fact that he never hides, bombs forward and back constantly and gets into some very intelligent attacking positions. I abhhor the scapegoating of him especially when he has, despite not being great, been far better than Schindler, Hogg, Bacuna, Grant, Elphick and every wide player so far this season. Has Floe ever had a good game for us |
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Post by midlander on Sept 17, 2019 6:36:03 GMT 1
I love all these references to Flo being so poor. Without him we carry absolutely zero attacking threat. He is our main attacking outlet. Yes, his one to one defending isn't good enough. Yes, his final ball in attacking sense is often not brilliant. However, I'd counter it with the fact that he never hides, bombs forward and back constantly and gets into some very intelligent attacking positions. I abhhor the scapegoating of him especially when he has, despite not being great, been far better than Schindler, Hogg, Bacuna, Grant, Elphick and every wide player so far this season. Has Floe ever had a good game for us First season in Prem, he was generally decent. He has had some decent (not amazing) games this season as well. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 17, 2019 6:51:00 GMT 1
Thats because there are frequent signs of cowardice - physically pulling out of challenges not once but repeatedly is not acceptable for anyone. Also, folks know he thought he was better than us and wanted away...............as such, until he proves hes committed and wants to do well here then he will get abuse which is worse than others. I get that he has more to prove and that he is half hearted in challenges. But that isn't going to change as he always seems scared of his body snapping. Maybe he had a bad impact injury as a youngster which affects him? Point is, that that side of his game is what it is. Accept that bit and then watch him. The lad genuinely covers so much ground and works hard to get in attacking positions. Think he is better suited further forwards but then, like many of our players, his final ball is more hit than miss. Thing is Town fans will always favour a robust tackler over most other types of player. Lee Makel was quite possibly, until Mooy, the best passer of a ball I have seen in a Town shirt but he is mostly remembered as a soft lad who wouldn't tackle. Flo is the easy scapegoat when many other players are further away from their potential than he is this season. I've watched him.......for more than 2 years! First year he actually did ok and am not saying the lad cant play at all, but this is the championship. Fiercely competitive, physical, relentless - hes none of them. I will agree that the likes of schindler, kongolo, hogg are further away - but they have been mentally damaged playing alongside bloody flo who is so weak its embarrassing. Tbh the current squad can all go for me - the recruitment has been appalling. Last summer we got flo permanently, sobhi, durm, the sprint twins and bacuna ......then bloody puncheon in jan. This summer it's been league 2 lads and ruddy elphick. We as fans have been uber patient, but even with the new mgrs if this isnt reversed soon all the premier league goodwill will have been flushed down the pan. No point blaming folks now......just get the rot stopped. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 17, 2019 7:03:16 GMT 1
This last year has been like watching a car smash in slow motion, you can see what's going to happen but powerless to stop it. A lot of fans have lost patience already, crowds are well down despite the attendance figures announced. You're right they just need to stop the rot and keep us up, that's the aim for this season, just staying up, sadly.
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