Cheats

[ilsonterrier]

The game is slowing being destroyed by players blatantly cheating. I've just watched the "challenge" by Chalobah on Pereira back on Sky. At the time I thought there was no contact - the tv pictures proved it and the commentators made mention of him holding his chest when there was clearly no contact on him.

At the moment players can only get a retrospective punishment if they get a penalty or a player sent off by simulation (cheating). The wording of the offence is something along the lines of - "seeking to deceive the officials". Isn't that exactly what Pereira did? There's daylight between him and Chalobah. Until the authorities crack down on this then players will continue to do it.

Don't get me wrong, I know we have players who go to ground quite easily on the slightest contact, as does virtually every club. It's the fact that he has quite clearly cheated because he knows there was no contact which really bugs me.

[Bassingham Terrier]

Yes, I saw that too, but as my commentary was in Chinese I have no idea what was said.

[Tinpot]

I can't blame the referee for that one. When I watched in real time I thought Chalobah's appeal that he hadn't touched him was laughable. Contact was clear... or so I thought.

Watching back on the replay - yep, Pereira was cheating. When there are cameras at every ground, I see no excuse for not issuing retrospective punishments for that sort of thing.

[Tinpot]

Sept 22, 2019 15:53:37 GMT 1 Bassingham Terrier said:

Yes, I saw that too, but as my commentary was in Chinese I have no idea what was said.

Mine was on mute. Because my Mandarin is a little rusty, it was detracting from my enjoyment.

[nuro]

Sept 22, 2019 15:55:25 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

I can't blame the referee for that one. When I watched in real time I thought Chalobah's appeal that he hadn't touched him was laughable. Contact was clear... or so I thought.

Watching back on the replay - yep, Pereira was cheating. When there are cameras at every ground, I see no excuse for not issuing retrospective punishments for that sort of thing.

Yes but the ref doesn't watch the game from a camera high above the pitch. That was terrible officiating.

[ilsonterrier]

Sept 22, 2019 15:55:25 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

I can't blame the referee for that one. When I watched in real time I thought Chalobah's appeal that he hadn't touched him was laughable. Contact was clear... or so I thought.

Watching back on the replay - yep, Pereira was cheating. When there are cameras at every ground, I see no excuse for not issuing retrospective punishments for that sort of thing.

That's kind of what I think - refereeing is a hard enough job as it is (although most of them are s***) but when players are deliberately cheating, unless some form of retrospective punishments are used, they will continue to do it. If the ref had seen what he should have, then he could have issued Pereira with a yellow card at the time for simulation - why can't this be applied after the event?

[ponteterrier]

Bugger can be done about it now. As shit as it is we need to try and move forward. I think we had our fair share of Olympic divers in the squad

[Porrohman]

Sept 22, 2019 15:56:20 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Sept 22, 2019 15:53:37 GMT 1 Bassingham Terrier said:

Yes, I saw that too, but as my commentary was in Chinese I have no idea what was said.

Mine was on mute. Because my Mandarin is a little rusty, it was detracting from my enjoyment.

Mandarins are supposed to be that colour, same as satsumas 😉😆

[Tinpot]

Sept 22, 2019 15:59:17 GMT 1 nuro said:

Sept 22, 2019 15:55:25 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

I can't blame the referee for that one. When I watched in real time I thought Chalobah's appeal that he hadn't touched him was laughable. Contact was clear... or so I thought.

Watching back on the replay - yep, Pereira was cheating. When there are cameras at every ground, I see no excuse for not issuing retrospective punishments for that sort of thing.

Yes but the ref doesn't watch the game from a camera high above the pitch. That was terrible officiating.

He also doesn't have the benefit of replays from multiple camera angles.

Even if it had been terrible officiating (and there are occasions when it most certainly is), referees & linesmen are human. They have off days. Cameras don;t.

[stanton1969]

Sept 22, 2019 16:11:51 GMT 1 ilsonterrier said:

Sept 22, 2019 15:55:25 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

I can't blame the referee for that one. When I watched in real time I thought Chalobah's appeal that he hadn't touched him was laughable. Contact was clear... or so I thought.

Watching back on the replay - yep, Pereira was cheating. When there are cameras at every ground, I see no excuse for not issuing retrospective punishments for that sort of thing.

That's kind of what I think - refereeing is a hard enough job as it is (although most of them are s***) but when players are deliberately cheating, unless some form of retrospective punishments are used, they will continue to do it. If the ref had seen what he should have, then he could have issued Pereira with a yellow card at the time for simulation - why can't this be applied after the event?

5 game ban based on video replays after the game. It would soon stop. They do it for other things, why not this scourge?

[rastrick32]

Sept 22, 2019 18:52:55 GMT 1 stanton1969 said:

Sept 22, 2019 16:11:51 GMT 1 ilsonterrier said:

That's kind of what I think - refereeing is a hard enough job as it is (although most of them are s***) but when players are deliberately cheating, unless some form of retrospective punishments are used, they will continue to do it. If the ref had seen what he should have, then he could have issued Pereira with a yellow card at the time for simulation - why can't this be applied after the event?

5 game ban based on video replays after the game. It would soon stop. They do it for other things, why not this scourge?

Agreed. The obvious ones that are missed in real time should be punished retrospectively. Big bans and even bigger bans for repeat offenders.

[stanton1969]

Sept 22, 2019 19:04:09 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

Sept 22, 2019 18:52:55 GMT 1 stanton1969 said:

5 game ban based on video replays after the game. It would soon stop. They do it for other things, why not this scourge?

Agreed. The obvious ones that are missed in real time should be punished retrospectively. Big bans and even bigger bans for repeat offenders.

Yep. That one today was almost up there with Rivaldo. What an embarrassment. 

[impact]

Sept 22, 2019 15:59:17 GMT 1 nuro said:

Sept 22, 2019 15:55:25 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

I can't blame the referee for that one. When I watched in real time I thought Chalobah's appeal that he hadn't touched him was laughable. Contact was clear... or so I thought.

Watching back on the replay - yep, Pereira was cheating. When there are cameras at every ground, I see no excuse for not issuing retrospective punishments for that sort of thing.

Yes but the ref doesn't watch the game from a camera high above the pitch. That was terrible officiating.

Agree. And even worse, the 4th official would have been looking straight at it from the other side.

[buckers]

Sept 22, 2019 18:52:55 GMT 1 stanton1969 said:

Sept 22, 2019 16:11:51 GMT 1 ilsonterrier said:

That's kind of what I think - refereeing is a hard enough job as it is (although most of them are s***) but when players are deliberately cheating, unless some form of retrospective punishments are used, they will continue to do it. If the ref had seen what he should have, then he could have issued Pereira with a yellow card at the time for simulation - why can't this be applied after the event?

5 game ban based on video replays after the game. It would soon stop. They do it for other things, why not this scourge?

Look at the Australian rugby lad. Both the ref and tmo missed a red card offence. He’s now been cited and will be punished.

Just because the ref missed it/got it wrong doesnt mean the offender should go unpunished.

[thrice]

We are just as bad!

Kachunga the worst offender today.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Sept 22, 2019 19:35:03 GMT 1 thrice said:

We are just as bad!

Kachunga the worst offender today.

Was coming on to post the same but had a read down the thread to see if anyone had already mentioned it

He knows he isn't good enough to go past defenders so turns around and just waits for them to brush up against him before throwing himself over. I'm surprised refs still fall for it

[Deleted]

VAR is starting to ease your collective pain.

Give it ten years and the cheats will be no more.

[Deleted]

If that incident was what upset you most about today then good luck to you.

We’ll always have decisions like that go against us because as a team we lack football intelligence.

[jakeg]

Sept 22, 2019 22:50:18 GMT 1 @mrx said:

If that incident was what upset you most about today then good luck to you.

We’ll always have decisions like that go against us because as a team we lack football intelligence.

Hows does a perceived lack of football intelligence apply to.having an opponent begins to fall to the floor before Chalobah had even got to.him? Then roll around clutching this chest. That's purely cheating. And yes all teams have some.of the 'feel a slight movement of air close to.me then fall over' but the blatant cheek of the bloke today did get my old fashioned sense of injustice going.

And no- before the usual suspects pipe up that didn't explain why we lost. An inability to carry out the (working) plan for more than 60 minutes did that. Similar to.when Wagner came in and we looked ace for 70 minutes then our legs fell off.

I think though I'm allowed to.be realistic about the performance and also fucking annoyed at a cheat. Etienne Verveer anyone?

[28901]

Sept 22, 2019 20:56:36 GMT 1 @bluewhiteblackgold said:

VAR is starting to ease your collective pain.

Give it ten years and the cheats will be no more.

its not though..watch Villa Arsenal today

and its ruining the spectacle

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2019 23:00:35 GMT 1 jakeg said:

Sept 22, 2019 22:50:18 GMT 1 @mrx said:

If that incident was what upset you most about today then good luck to you.

We’ll always have decisions like that go against us because as a team we lack football intelligence.

Hows does a perceived lack of football intelligence apply to.having an opponent begins to fall to the floor before Chalobah had even got to.him? Then roll around clutching this chest. That's purely cheating. And yes all teams have some.of the 'feel a slight movement of air close to.me then fall over' but the blatant cheek of the bloke today did get my old fashioned sense of injustice going.

And no- before the usual suspects pipe up that didn't explain why we lost. An inability to carry out the (working) plan for more than 60 minutes did that. Similar to.when Wagner came in and we looked ace for 70 minutes then our legs fell off.

I think though I'm allowed to.be realistic about the performance and also fucking annoyed at a cheat. Etienne Verveer anyone?

It is cheating but our players consistently get in a position to be taken advantage of. Flo, VLP & Depoitre have all done pathetic dives over the last year. Not one has got us anything!

Mounie vs Brighton: brain dead
Hogg vs Cardiff: brain dead
Schindler vs Burnley: brain dead
Chalobah flying in studs up: unlucky maybe but anyone with nous will see him coming and take advantage

We need to wise up!

[jakeg]

Sept 22, 2019 23:20:33 GMT 1 @mrx said:

Sept 22, 2019 23:00:35 GMT 1 jakeg said:

Hows does a perceived lack of football intelligence apply to.having an opponent begins to fall to the floor before Chalobah had even got to.him? Then roll around clutching this chest. That's purely cheating. And yes all teams have some.of the 'feel a slight movement of air close to.me then fall over' but the blatant cheek of the bloke today did get my old fashioned sense of injustice going.

And no- before the usual suspects pipe up that didn't explain why we lost. An inability to carry out the (working) plan for more than 60 minutes did that. Similar to.when Wagner came in and we looked ace for 70 minutes then our legs fell off.

I think though I'm allowed to.be realistic about the performance and also fucking annoyed at a cheat. Etienne Verveer anyone?

It is cheating but our players consistently get in a position to be taken advantage of. Flo, VLP & Depoitre have all done pathetic dives over the last year. Not one has got us anything!

Mounie vs Brighton: brain dead
Hogg vs Cardiff: brain dead
Schindler vs Burnley: brain dead
Chalobah flying in studs up: unlucky maybe but anyone with nous will see him coming and take advantage

We need to wise up!

Yes wont deny theres always some brain dead moments we can be guilty of but not sure that makes us any worse than most others teans. Today I wont have Chalobah studs up. Went towards it and pulled back and missed him by a good foot. I was watching on tv and immediately knew he got nowhere near him. That's just cheating and poor referring, not a bad decisions by chalobah

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2019 23:26:35 GMT 1 jakeg said:

Sept 22, 2019 23:20:33 GMT 1 @mrx said:

It is cheating but our players consistently get in a position to be taken advantage of. Flo, VLP & Depoitre have all done pathetic dives over the last year. Not one has got us anything!

Mounie vs Brighton: brain dead
Hogg vs Cardiff: brain dead
Schindler vs Burnley: brain dead
Chalobah flying in studs up: unlucky maybe but anyone with nous will see him coming and take advantage

We need to wise up!

Yes wont deny theres always some brain dead moments we can be guilty of but not sure that makes us any worse than most others teans. Today I wont have Chalobah studs up. Went towards it and pulled back and missed him by a good foot. I was watching on tv and immediately knew he got nowhere near him. That's just cheating and poor referring, not a bad decisions by chalobah

Fair dos. He was unlucky and it was cheating. I’m just sick of us being on the wrong end of things.

[impact]

Sept 22, 2019 23:20:33 GMT 1 @mrx said:

Sept 22, 2019 23:00:35 GMT 1 jakeg said:

Hows does a perceived lack of football intelligence apply to.having an opponent begins to fall to the floor before Chalobah had even got to.him? Then roll around clutching this chest. That's purely cheating. And yes all teams have some.of the 'feel a slight movement of air close to.me then fall over' but the blatant cheek of the bloke today did get my old fashioned sense of injustice going.

And no- before the usual suspects pipe up that didn't explain why we lost. An inability to carry out the (working) plan for more than 60 minutes did that. Similar to.when Wagner came in and we looked ace for 70 minutes then our legs fell off.

I think though I'm allowed to.be realistic about the performance and also fucking annoyed at a cheat. Etienne Verveer anyone?

It is cheating but our players consistently get in a position to be taken advantage of. Flo, VLP & Depoitre have all done pathetic dives over the last year. Not one has got us anything!

Mounie vs Brighton: brain dead
Hogg vs Cardiff: brain dead
Schindler vs Burnley: brain dead
Chalobah flying in studs up: unlucky maybe but anyone with nous will see him coming and take advantage

We need to wise up!

2 of those "brain dead"s should be applied to Oliver and Dean rather than the players in question.

[Deleted]

Give each team 2 reviews. Captains decide when to use it- a penalty not given when your man knows he was pushed, or to challenge a card when your player is adamant he’s not touched their man and in fact he is the one who should be carded for diving.

[Porrohman]

Wonder if it'll be part of Ref Watch

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2019 22:50:18 GMT 1 @mrx said:

If that incident was what upset you most about today then good luck to you.

We’ll always have decisions like that go against us because as a team we lack football intelligence.

This.

I've never known a more naive Town side.

[jonny5]

Poor reffing, he gives the foul and if he's seen him make contact it should be a red card surely. That's what Mounie got and it wasn't rescinded. When I saw it I didn't think he'd touched him but once he'd given the foul I feared the red card would come out.

[dewsburyborn]

Sept 23, 2019 18:06:10 GMT 1 jonny5 said:

Poor reffing, he gives the foul and if he's seen him make contact it should be a red card surely. That's what Mounie got and it wasn't rescinded. When I saw it I didn't think he'd touched him but once he'd given the foul I feared the red card would come out.

[/b]

It would probably have been better if it had - it would have been rescinded and the cheating twat would have got a Bamford

[ilsonterrier]

Sept 22, 2019 22:50:18 GMT 1 @mrx said:

If that incident was what upset you most about today then good luck to you.

We’ll always have decisions like that go against us because as a team we lack football intelligence.

It wasn't the thing that upset me most about yesterday. I'm just fed up of seeing grown men rolling around on the floor conning referees. It's bad enough when there has been minimal contact - cue the commentators saying things like "he's been touched so he has a right to go down", it's just ridiculous when there isn't even any contact.

Think we've already seen players go down clutching their heads when they've been hit elsewhere on the body, because they know that the ref will only stop the play for a head injury and not any others (referees at Kenilworth Road excepted obviously).