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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 22, 2019 20:46:21 GMT 1
I see it was brought up again today after the match by the manager
I don't understand how, with so many well paid professionals around the club, we managed to come out of pre season so unfit. The coaches, not just the fitness ones, must have been able to see it wasn't an intense pre season. They'll have been around enough to know what a tough one looks like, so why did no one speak up?
The players must have known it was easy too. They're less likely to speak up, anything for an easy life but they're paying the price now.
I've never been involved in a pre season at a professional club but I'm assuming it isn't solely put together by the manager. Yet it seems no one else has lost their role despite it failing to achieve the one thing it is intended for.
That said, it's been 4 weeks now i think since the fitness issue was first raised by Hudson so just how long does it take mid season to get fitness levels up when players need rest after games etc? We're basically going in to every game handicapped at the moment. Opposition know they just need to be in the game by 60 minutes and they'll be able to take control and win comfortably.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 20:51:24 GMT 1
Heads will roll pretty soon.
DC made a point of the 30, 60, 90 day reviews in business, and said football is more like 15, 30 and 45.
Isn't it great that the new managers see what we see as fans?
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 22, 2019 20:55:48 GMT 1
Exactly this. Presumably the fitness coaches are there purely to get them as fit as possible. And now 2 different managers have stated they have failed in that task.
Siewert, may not have realised how cut we needed to be, but Hudson should have seen that the fitness was not what it was when we used it to our advantage under DW and spoken up and asked those coaches what was happening.
Wagner used to talk about then having regular checks to see how the players compared fitness wise throughout the season. So the data should be there to compare for most of the players.
Questions need asking.
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Post by space hardware on Sept 22, 2019 20:58:10 GMT 1
Every game this season has seen our players breathing out of their arses after an hour.
Unforgivable. We've gone from being one of the, if not THE, fittest teams in this league to the worst.
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Sept 22, 2019 21:06:34 GMT 1
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Post by ponteterrier on Sept 22, 2019 21:06:34 GMT 1
Hudson made the point of saying that he brought back double training sessions when he took temporary charge.
Makes you wonder how far things fell by the waist side since wagner first brought it in
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 22, 2019 21:22:15 GMT 1
It’s pathetic. The players wear them fancy bibs during training and matches so the clubs knows exactly what each players efforts and fitness levels are
How the hell have we ended up half fit. One of the reasons for our success was being fitter than the rest.
I’m sure the brothers will be working hard at getting us fitter. The trouble is that half of em don’t seem interested so it might be difficult
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 22, 2019 21:36:20 GMT 1
We need to win matches. The problem the new managers have is they need to address
Poor fitness
Mentally shot players
Complete lack of tactics and game plan for weeks
Forgotten how to win
Which do they do first? If we can somehow muster 4-6 points from the next 3 games then we may see a completely new town after the next international break because the managers need some time to address these issues. They have to prioritise and for me I'd rather see us have a game plan and some tactical input first. If we can get some results next week then they can hammer the fitness over the 2 week break.
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Post by v8bart on Sept 22, 2019 23:50:16 GMT 1
OK so let me get this straight having watched DC's post match. Ad-lib-ing what he says, a lot of the players are physically done at 60mins? 60? Really?
So forget JS and MH, the entire training staff were NOT working on a whistle to whistle mentality? I can understand players wanting to leave that, like us, could see what a joke the set up was.
Having said all this, where are the sackings?
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Post by trailingleg on Sept 23, 2019 0:11:39 GMT 1
Someone needs to teach them how to tackle IMO. Running past and flicking a foot out is not a tackle. All the 50/50s were won by West Brom. today using proper tackling technique. Mooy was the last player we had who could tackle properly.
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Post by bogart on Sept 23, 2019 17:27:07 GMT 1
Every game this season has seen our players breathing out of their arses after an hour. Unforgivable. We've gone from being one of the, if not THE, fittest teams in this league to the worst. Saw Kachunga yesterday after 10 mins in he looked knackered when one would have thought was 10 mins to go. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 23, 2019 19:51:02 GMT 1
Can anyone be arsed working out goals for and against in the last 30 minutes of our games. Cause off top of my head, it’s shite!!!
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 23, 2019 20:00:53 GMT 1
As someone posted elsewhere let's get back to the Mick Buxton approach of sending the buggers up and down Kilner Bank until they puke. Hard manager with hard players who were a joy to watch and from the 101 club evening a couple of years ago I would say that despite this hard training regime those players seemed to hold Buxton in very high regard.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 23, 2019 20:13:41 GMT 1
What exactly did DC say RE: fitness of players? Must have missed this.
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Post by stanton1969 on Sept 23, 2019 21:07:35 GMT 1
Can anyone be arsed working out goals for and against in the last 30 minutes of our games. Cause off top of my head, it’s shite!!! Yes. I'm bored. And now I'm depressed. in the last 37 games since we drew at home to West Ham on Nov 10th 2018 : WON - 2 - no goals conceded in the last 30 minutes DREW - 5 - 1 goal conceded in the last 30 minutes. LOST - 30 - 35 goals conceded in the last 30 minutes in total. In only 7 of those losses did we not concede in the last 30. If only games lasted an hour, eh? |
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Post by thongsbridge on Sept 23, 2019 21:47:24 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 23, 2019 21:51:40 GMT 1
The signs were there though, look at Depoitre in his second season compared to the pictures of him now he’s back in Belgium - he’s lost a bit of timber
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Sept 23, 2019 22:11:04 GMT 1
The signs were there though, look at delpotre in his second season compared to the pictures of him now he’s back in Belgium - he’s lost a bit of timberA bit of timber? He has lost a small forest |
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 23, 2019 22:44:10 GMT 1
The signs were there though, look at delpotre in his second season compared to the pictures of him now he’s back in Belgium - he’s lost a bit of timberA bit of timber? He has lost a small forest He couldn't even go for a shit at our training ground so it isn't a great surprise. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 8:54:40 GMT 1
Not much to do with fitness.
We’re poorly disciplined with little cohesive defensive shape or strategy.
Mostly can get away with it through sheer individual talent, but as a game draws on the chances are going to build up, especially against a team that throws the collective towel in when things start to go against.
Lack of fitness is a load of rubbish that all new managers throw out off the back of trying to stamp their authority on the training pitch.
We concede goals because we are rubbish, not because we are unfit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 9:05:11 GMT 1
As someone posted elsewhere let's get back to the Mick Buxton approach of sending the buggers up and down Kilner Bank until they puke. Hard manager with hard players who were a joy to watch and from the 101 club evening a couple of years ago I would say that despite this hard training regime those players seemed to hold Buxton in very high regard. Correct me if I am wrong g but that was Bill Shankly . |
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Post by benhomly on Sept 24, 2019 9:14:51 GMT 1
As someone posted elsewhere let's get back to the Mick Buxton approach of sending the buggers up and down Kilner Bank until they puke. Hard manager with hard players who were a joy to watch and from the 101 club evening a couple of years ago I would say that despite this hard training regime those players seemed to hold Buxton in very high regard. Correct me if I am wrong g but that was Bill Shankly . Don't know about the puke bit but it definitely happened under Buxton. Maybe under Shankly as well but before my time. Refer to Epsom's old Town reports in the archives for clarification  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 9:17:39 GMT 1
Correct me if I am wrong g but that was Bill Shankly . Don't know about the puke bit but it definitely happened under Buxton. Maybe under Shankly as well but before my time. Refer to Epsom's old Town reports in the archives for clarification Will do but I am positive Bill Shankly made them do it first .I used to deliver papers on Leeds Road and saw them running up Kilner |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:19:31 GMT 1
A bit of timber? He has lost a small forest He couldn't even go for a shit at our training ground so it isn't a great surprise. Yeah but to counter that he had to walk down Leeds road as he couldn't get in the car park. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:36:20 GMT 1
Correct me if I am wrong g but that was Bill Shankly . Don't know about the puke bit but it definitely happened under Buxton. Maybe under Shankly as well but before my time. Refer to Epsom's old Town reports in the archives for clarification Shankly may have had them doing that, but the only running I saw under Bill was lapping Leeds Road playing fields, when I was on my school holidays. |
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Post by bleaklow on Sept 24, 2019 14:44:15 GMT 1
Jogging around a training pitch isn't 'getting fit'. I speak from experience when I say running up Lake District
Fells is excellent fitness training - but there are plenty hills around Huddersfield that could be utilised.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:55:34 GMT 1
Jogging around a training pitch isn't 'getting fit'. I speak from experience when I say running up Lake District Fells is excellent fitness training - but there are plenty hills around Huddersfield that could be utilised. No doubt it is, but if you're wanting to combine a jog with a training session i'm not sure kicking a football up the fells is practical.  |
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 24, 2019 19:54:24 GMT 1
As someone posted elsewhere let's get back to the Mick Buxton approach of sending the buggers up and down Kilner Bank until they puke. Hard manager with hard players who were a joy to watch and from the 101 club evening a couple of years ago I would say that despite this hard training regime those players seemed to hold Buxton in very high regard. Correct me if I am wrong g but that was Bill Shankly . Definitely happened under Buxton and I seem to recall they used to give each other piggy backs too. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 25, 2019 15:28:23 GMT 1
Jogging around a training pitch isn't 'getting fit'. I speak from experience when I say running up Lake District Fells is excellent fitness training - but there are plenty hills around Huddersfield that could be utilised. I do lots of hill running, They need to try it. They are pampered. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 15:29:34 GMT 1
Correct me if I am wrong g but that was Bill Shankly . Definitely happened under Buxton and I seem to recall they used to give each other piggy backs too. Terry Yorath had a similar approach as well when he came during the 1997-98 season as Jacko's Head Coach. |
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