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Post by alexdire on Dec 21, 2019 10:37:06 GMT 1
Interestingly, my taxi driver back home last night in Leeds said that he'd had Aaron Mooy in his cab the other night. Mooy had said he played for Huddersfield and had been out on Towns players Christmas do.
I found it a bit strange that he came up for the Christmas do from Brighton.
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Post by ram on Dec 21, 2019 10:46:49 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 21, 2019 10:51:53 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless? Over the wage budget probably. Which is to say more than we should be spending rather than more than we have, at least I hope so! |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Dec 21, 2019 10:53:47 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless? This was the reason the Simpson deal took a bit of doing. In fairness to Phil it seems like he has made that happen regardless of budget so he can't be expected to keep funding transfers with no income. We might be over budget but shipping out Kongolo and couple of others could easily sort that. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 21, 2019 11:35:09 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless? This was the reason the Simpson deal took a bit of doing. In fairness to Phil it seems like he has made that happen regardless of budget so he can't be expected to keep funding transfers with no income. We might be over budget but shipping out Kongolo and couple of others could easily sort that. Think being over budget during a season is pretty much the norm. If we are able to offload some big wages in the window and get some return on previously paid out big fees then that situation changes?  Think football money is in a constant state of flux.. |
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Post by Skint Terriers on Dec 21, 2019 11:42:13 GMT 1
He lied about stamping on that guy’s head in Leeds, he’s probably lying about this as well. I think Skint Terriers had his tongue firmly in his cheek as he typed that. grow up |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 21, 2019 12:45:24 GMT 1
I think Skint Terriers had his tongue firmly in his cheek as he typed that. grow up Eh?  are you on about? Actually, don't bother explaining. If that's your attitude, crack on. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 21, 2019 12:47:06 GMT 1
Eh? are you on about? Actually, don't bother explaining. If that's your attitude, crack on. 'Eh' was precisely my thought too. Odd. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Dec 21, 2019 13:23:01 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless? We still have a few players who are on huge wages, they will be gone soon. The ones that DC would like to sign are up and coming hungry players they arent on as much... But there's competition for them, that always drives up the price. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 21, 2019 13:47:35 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless? We still have a few players who are on huge wages, they will be gone soon. The ones that DC would like to sign are up and coming hungry players they arent on as much... But there's competition for them, that always drives up the price. Also, should get decent fees for Mooy & Kongolo. Probably won't get our money back on the latter, but should still command an 8 fig fee or at least top end 7-fig. Diabenza - I'd suggest shifting them for whatever we can get. Cut our losses & if somebody else can cover the remainder of their contracts (both last until the end of next season with an extra year option for us), I'd take that gladly. Absolute fucking wasters, the pair of them, but getting their wages off our account sheet would be welcome. Although I can't say I'd be too upset if we just left them to rot in the reserves, and then took out the extra year option so they rot some more. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 21, 2019 14:13:41 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless? We're low on funds because there is so much to pay back to Dean. Still hoping he has a change of heart and writes off some of it but it's not looking likely |
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Post by loumacari on Dec 21, 2019 19:19:13 GMT 1
Reported in the Examiner,Danny Cowley says we are over budget already.So what does that mean exactly? potless? We're low on funds because there is so much to pay back to Dean. Still hoping he has a change of heart and writes off some of it but it's not looking likely Exactly. 12 months ago we were apparently really well run, well prepared for relegation and under no pressure to sell anyone. Now we’re over budget despite a fairly significant exodus over the summer. The only explanation is PH buying the club for next to nothing on the condition he repays DH’s loan, which he is doing using the parachute payments. A really poor deal that will probably put the club back a few years although with the Cowleys in charge, anything is possible next year, especially as the Championship is so poor. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 21, 2019 19:26:34 GMT 1
Its simply that the wage budget is over the original forecast.
Move on the high earners Kongolo et al and we'll be fine!
The football budget included paying off Siewert and his assistant, appointing the more expensive Cowley bros and their recruitment team. Campbell and Simpson have joined since Siewert was dismissed.
Do you think it is wise business move for Cowley to state that we've got x money to spend this window and plenty of room in the budget doing so would only tempt any potential sellers to up the price of any of our targets.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 21, 2019 22:41:24 GMT 1
I don’t know what to believe with town anymore
They tell us we have run the lowest prem budget, have clauses to drop all player contracts and don’t have to sell. That summer we shift lossl, smith, Loewe, zanka, durn, Williams, billing, van la parra, delpotre, sabiri and Payne. We sent puncheon back and loan out mooy, hamer and sobhi. That’s 15 names
We raise £20m plus in fees and spend less about £1m.
We sign three 32 out of contract players (two who didn’t get fixed up until after the window closed), get a prospect from the conference, a out of contract forest green player (paying compo similar to what the FA fined us for the shirt stunt), a German regional league player plus two premier loanees
If we have no money then it’s surprising. My gut feeling is that this a smokescreen and like the mooy contract - with the reported option that never was - town are peddling a line here publically
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 21, 2019 23:16:54 GMT 1
I don’t know what to believe with town anymore They tell us we have run the lowest prem budget, have clauses to drop all player contracts and don’t have to sell. That summer we shift lossl, smith, Loewe, zanka, durn, Williams, billing, van la parra, delpotre, sabiri and Payne. We sent puncheon back and loan out mooy, hamer and sobhi. That’s 15 names We raise £20m plus in fees and spend less about £1m. We sign three 32 out of contract players (two who didn’t get fixed up until after the window closed), get a prospect from the conference, a out of contract forest green player (paying compo similar to what the FA fined us for the shirt stunt), a German regional league player plus two premier loanees If we have no money then it’s surprising. My gut feeling is that this a smokescreen and like the mooy contract - with the reported option that never was - town are peddling a line here publically You are missing out one crucial bit, we are paying Dean back a considerable amount. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 22, 2019 0:18:41 GMT 1
I don’t know what to believe with town anymore They tell us we have run the lowest prem budget, have clauses to drop all player contracts and don’t have to sell. That summer we shift lossl, smith, Loewe, zanka, durn, Williams, billing, van la parra, delpotre, sabiri and Payne. We sent puncheon back and loan out mooy, hamer and sobhi. That’s 15 names We raise £20m plus in fees and spend less about £1m. We sign three 32 out of contract players (two who didn’t get fixed up until after the window closed), get a prospect from the conference, a out of contract forest green player (paying compo similar to what the FA fined us for the shirt stunt), a German regional league player plus two premier loanees If we have no money then it’s surprising. My gut feeling is that this a smokescreen and like the mooy contract - with the reported option that never was - town are peddling a line here publically You are missing out one crucial bit, we are paying Dean back a considerable amount. Our last accounts showed an operating profit of £23m - which covered the costs of our promotion season - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-accounts-last-season-16039119 Deans debt at that time was £49m Last year we won’t have paid any performance player bonuses like the last two seasons so surely we turned a large profit last year. Then there’s a massive net transfer surplus from the summer (billing, smith, zanka, van la parra, fee for mooy) And then you reach the parachute payments I just find it hard to understand how teams out of league one like Luton, Barnsley and Wigan can spend £1m plus on players and we don’t have the same means |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Dec 22, 2019 1:10:15 GMT 1
You are missing out one crucial bit, we are paying Dean back a considerable amount. Our last accounts showed an operating profit of £23m - which covered the costs of our promotion season - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-accounts-last-season-16039119 Deans debt at that time was £49m Last year we won’t have paid any performance player bonuses like the last two seasons so surely we turned a large profit last year. Then there’s a massive net transfer surplus from the summer (billing, smith, zanka, van la parra, fee for mooy) And then you reach the parachute payments I just find it hard to understand how teams out of league one like Luton, Barnsley and Wigan can spend £1m plus on players and we don’t have the same means Told people before... 1) bring in someone to run the club because Dean had, had enough but noone was interested. 2) bring in someone to run the club for 3 years. Plan is steady the ship get the club around the top 6. 3) debt free is more attractive, so clear all deans old debts, this is a make weight in the later sale of the club. Just a shift it now rather than later. 4) sell the club. FWIW, Dean said he would write the debts off if he sold the club. What's the difference to him walking away and giving the club away but being repaid his debts? (Nothing is the answer)... He also retained some portion of the club which will see him earn from a later sale. |
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Post by impact on Dec 22, 2019 1:32:29 GMT 1
You are missing out one crucial bit, we are paying Dean back a considerable amount. Our last accounts showed an operating profit of £23m - which covered the costs of our promotion season - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-accounts-last-season-16039119 Deans debt at that time was £49m Last year we won’t have paid any performance player bonuses like the last two seasons so surely we turned a large profit last year. Then there’s a massive net transfer surplus from the summer (billing, smith, zanka, van la parra, fee for mooy) And then you reach the parachute payments I just find it hard to understand how teams out of league one like Luton, Barnsley and Wigan can spend £1m plus on players and we don’t have the same means Whilst I agree with your previous comment that we should have more money than is made out (though you did miss the Mbenza fee out), operating profit really is a bit of a myth. The part to look at really is the cashflow, unless the concern is FFP, which we are fine with. Accounting conventions mean that operating profit is never a cash in bank profit. For example, buy a player for 9m on a 3 year contract. Sell after year 2 for 5m. In reality you have lost 4m. The accounts will say you have made a 2m profit in year 3, because the purchase is split over 3 years. The cash in the bank is 5m, however. |
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Post by willo on Dec 22, 2019 1:55:24 GMT 1
I don’t know what to believe with town anymore They tell us we have run the lowest prem budget, have clauses to drop all player contracts and don’t have to sell. That summer we shift lossl, smith, Loewe, zanka, durn, Williams, billing, van la parra, delpotre, sabiri and Payne. We sent puncheon back and loan out mooy, hamer and sobhi. That’s 15 names We raise £20m plus in fees and spend less about £1m. We sign three 32 out of contract players (two who didn’t get fixed up until after the window closed), get a prospect from the conference, a out of contract forest green player (paying compo similar to what the FA fined us for the shirt stunt), a German regional league player plus two premier loanees If we have no money then it’s surprising. My gut feeling is that this a smokescreen and like the mooy contract - with the reported option that never was - town are peddling a line here publically You are missing out one crucial bit, we are paying Dean back a considerable amount. After everything Dean Hoyle has done for our club and the ride he took us on, it’s very hard to complain. However, I always thought anyone owning a football club understood from day 1 they’d probably make a loss. Added to that Dean is a local businessman who bought the club in the main because he was a fan and thought he could do a better job running it. If we’d been bought 10 years or so ago by a Mike Ashley type, then I could understand 100pc why he’d want as much money back as possible as he would have had zero real affinity for the club. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 22, 2019 9:04:50 GMT 1
Our last accounts showed an operating profit of £23m - which covered the costs of our promotion season - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-accounts-last-season-16039119 Deans debt at that time was £49m Last year we won’t have paid any performance player bonuses like the last two seasons so surely we turned a large profit last year. Then there’s a massive net transfer surplus from the summer (billing, smith, zanka, van la parra, fee for mooy) And then you reach the parachute payments I just find it hard to understand how teams out of league one like Luton, Barnsley and Wigan can spend £1m plus on players and we don’t have the same means Whilst I agree with your previous comment that we should have more money than is made out (though you did miss the Mbenza fee out), operating profit really is a bit of a myth. The part to look at really is the cashflow, unless the concern is FFP, which we are fine with. Accounting conventions mean that operating profit is never a cash in bank profit. For example, buy a player for 9m on a 3 year contract. Sell after year 2 for 5m. In reality you have lost 4m. The accounts will say you have made a 2m profit in year 3, because the purchase is split over 3 years. The cash in the bank is 5m, however. You might be right but this runs contrary to what winter was publically saying in the spring (when Hoyle was in the process of selling) www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-relegation-chief-executive-16048128.ampIf he’d said we’re going to shift 15 first teamers, raise over £20m in sales and spend £1m on three non league punts, 2 loanees and three 32 year old out of contract players ... and still be over budget then eyebrows would have been raised |
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Post by ram on Dec 22, 2019 10:38:18 GMT 1
If,after reading all the above,it seems that Dean Hoyle has done us up like a kipper.Really?
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Post by impact on Dec 22, 2019 11:08:28 GMT 1
Whilst I agree with your previous comment that we should have more money than is made out (though you did miss the Mbenza fee out), operating profit really is a bit of a myth. The part to look at really is the cashflow, unless the concern is FFP, which we are fine with. Accounting conventions mean that operating profit is never a cash in bank profit. For example, buy a player for 9m on a 3 year contract. Sell after year 2 for 5m. In reality you have lost 4m. The accounts will say you have made a 2m profit in year 3, because the purchase is split over 3 years. The cash in the bank is 5m, however. You might be right but this runs contrary to what winter was publically saying in the spring (when Hoyle was in the process of selling) www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-relegation-chief-executive-16048128.ampIf he’d said we’re going to shift 15 first teamers, raise over £20m in sales and spend £1m on three non league punts, 2 loanees and three 32 year old out of contract players ... and still be over budget then eyebrows would have been raised I'm not quite sure what you're getting at? I don't think anyone will argue we made a lot of cash this summer. I was saying ignore the operating profit from the 17/18 accounts (and 18/19 when they are released) as it doesn't really say anything about our ability to spend money. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 22, 2019 11:10:17 GMT 1
We're low on funds because there is so much to pay back to Dean. Still hoping he has a change of heart and writes off some of it but it's not looking likely Exactly. 12 months ago we were apparently really well run, well prepared for relegation and under no pressure to sell anyone. Now we’re over budget despite a fairly significant exodus over the summer. The only explanation is PH buying the club for next to nothing on the condition he repays DH’s loan, which he is doing using the parachute payments. A really poor deal that will probably put the club back a few years although with the Cowleys in charge, anything is possible next year, especially as the Championship is so poor. It doesn't say how much over budget we are, and what the likely effect of that will be. If we're over budget but no panic stations, then our budget isn't putting us under any pressure to sell. The problems as I see it are: Players who were expected (by some) to tear this division a new arsehole have downed tools. Had Kongolo continued to give a shit as he did when we were in the PL, we'd have probably the strongest CB pairing in the division. Some expected Diakhaby &/or Mbenza to tear this division a new arsehole - the reality is that the Cowleys feel that playing a bang average full back out of position represents a better option on the wing than either of them (and who can disagree?). If they were as good as we hoped they'd be (and if either of them had shown even the merest hint of professional pride), there wouldn't be the same need to replace them and the situation would look a lot better. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 22, 2019 11:21:34 GMT 1
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at? I don't think anyone will argue we made a lot of cash this summer. I was saying ignore the operating profit from the 17/18 accounts (and 18/19 when they are released) as it doesn't really say anything about our ability to spend money. Point is we were told we didn’t need to sell in spring ... we traded lots out and replaced them cheap Our wage bill should be massively reduced from when winter made that statement In terms of cash flow - we know the source of our main guaranteed future income from the parachute money If dean is being paid back - which i have no quarms with - the debt was £49m. Net profit on transfers this summer is £20m, we turned a £23m profit in year one of the prem season and we can’t be running a £30m wage budget now surely (this years parachute money) I am hoping is the debt is largely gone and we can be more ambitious in the market than our marquee signing being a £500m conference prospect |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 11:26:48 GMT 1
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at? I don't think anyone will argue we made a lot of cash this summer. I was saying ignore the operating profit from the 17/18 accounts (and 18/19 when they are released) as it doesn't really say anything about our ability to spend money. Point is we were told we didn’t need to sell in spring ... we traded lots out and replaced them cheap Our wage bill should be massively reduced from when winter made that statement In terms of cash flow - we know the source of our main guaranteed future income from the parachute money If dean is being paid back - which i have no quarms with - the debt was £49m. Net profit on transfers this summer is £20m, we turned a £23m profit in year one of the prem season and we can’t be running a £30m wage budget now surely (this years parachute money) I am hoping is the debt is largely gone and we can be more ambitious in the market than our marquee signing being a £500m conference prospect How much?!? Half a billion for a non-league player? The world’s gone mad. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 22, 2019 11:34:17 GMT 1
Point is we were told we didn’t need to sell in spring ... we traded lots out and replaced them cheap Our wage bill should be massively reduced from when winter made that statement In terms of cash flow - we know the source of our main guaranteed future income from the parachute money If dean is being paid back - which i have no quarms with - the debt was £49m. Net profit on transfers this summer is £20m, we turned a £23m profit in year one of the prem season and we can’t be running a £30m wage budget now surely (this years parachute money) I am hoping is the debt is largely gone and we can be more ambitious in the market than our marquee signing being a £500m conference prospect How much?!? Half a billion for a non-league player? The world’s gone mad. Haha ... in a world where mbenza is worth £13m it’s probably not far off  |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Dec 22, 2019 12:05:08 GMT 1
I don’t know what to believe with town anymore They tell us we have run the lowest prem budget, have clauses to drop all player contracts and don’t have to sell. That summer we shift lossl, smith, Loewe, zanka, durn, Williams, billing, van la parra, delpotre, sabiri and Payne. We sent puncheon back and loan out mooy, hamer and sobhi. That’s 15 names We raise £20m plus in fees and spend less about £1m. We sign three 32 out of contract players (two who didn’t get fixed up until after the window closed), get a prospect from the conference, a out of contract forest green player (paying compo similar to what the FA fined us for the shirt stunt), a German regional league player plus two premier loanees If we have no money then it’s surprising. My gut feeling is that this a smokescreen and like the mooy contract - with the reported option that never was - town are peddling a line here publically I think there has been some economy with the truth, you can not tell the world how much £s you have as the price rises for every thing, buy a beer in a posh hotel (if you can) buyers watch the market as much as sellers and fecking agents. |
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Post by townatheart on Dec 22, 2019 12:21:33 GMT 1
If,after reading all the above,it seems that Dean Hoyle has done us up like a kipper.Really? Personally I do not think that is true, however, one might be a wee bit cynical and say that perhaps his "halo" shines not as completely brightly as in the past (in other words the man is human! ). |
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Post by COWleySHED on Dec 22, 2019 15:06:37 GMT 1
Bench yesterday was so inexperienced we need minimum 3 new players in jan.
Centre back that can cover left back - basically a Kongolo replacement.
A number 9 - I was told last month that Mounie’s got a loan deal lined up.
Need a left winger not convinced Pritchard is actually injured I believe the top 5 earners are to be offloaded.
Pritchard Kongolo Mounie Mbenza & Diakhaby.
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Post by jqhtfc on Dec 22, 2019 15:18:06 GMT 1
I don’t actually think we are that far away from having a decent side, a few attacking options short in my opinion if we can sort that out this window we could really move up the league! It’s a piss poor championship this time at the moment we just lack that little bit of creative quality that the teams at the top end have much like forest thought they were poor bar Lolley and cash behind him that makes the difference for them. If we can get a couple of loans that could effect us the brown/Palmer type from the promotion yeah will fly up the league.
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