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Post by York Terrier on Jan 1, 2020 20:24:00 GMT 1
Get off PH's back -if you have to blame someone look no further than Hoyle and Wagner. How soon we forget, I am astonished at the stick that DW is getting. Putting things into perspective DW had us playing decent football in his first season when he was tasked with avoiding relegation, ( far better that the rubbish seen today and on Boxing Day) In his first full season we got promotion and then survived a year in the premier league. In the second season we played well up to Arsenal Away and the players and the fans all stuck together until he left. There is one one obvious reason we find ourselves in the current position, which is terrible recruitment of poor quality players who we paid far to much Money for and gave them contracts they did not deserve. I have no idea how this happened but the club appears to have gone into a tail spin now looking to buy players from the lower leagues trying to stem the cash leaking out of the club. The current managers have done quite well with limited resource but we appear to be making exactly the same mistakes again looking to buy players who are simply not going to be good enough for the league we are currently in. I hope i am I am wrong and we get a few good quality players into the squad, but if we are bottom fishing in the transfer market at this critical stage, then IMO this can only lead to a desperate struggle this season and the foreseeable future. |
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Post by jim100 on Jan 1, 2020 20:26:05 GMT 1
We really need to cash in on mooy. He's central to Brighton so should be holding out for 30 million. This all needs reinvesting in the squad
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Post by boooothy on Jan 1, 2020 20:26:28 GMT 1
When Cowley says we only have 13/14 players and no wingers, he really is getting a free ride.
He’s done some really good things since he came but these 2 problems are totally self inflicted.
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Post by galphamer74 on Jan 1, 2020 20:29:20 GMT 1
Our problem is that we have a Premier League standard management team and a Conference standard chairman. I have no faith that Phil will back them as they deserve. His record so far has been truly pathetic In what way? Apart from not sacking Jan earlier. He appointed Cowley which everyone agrees was a good thing. So please tell me why he been pathetic |
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Post by galphamer74 on Jan 1, 2020 20:35:32 GMT 1
He allowed a completely inept manager to keep his job 7 games into a season when he was clearly out of his depth and should have been sacked in the summer, and then provided him with a pitiful budget meaning we signed some absolute dross. He has a lot to prove in this transfer window.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 1, 2020 20:39:37 GMT 1
He allowed a completely inept manager to keep his job 7 games into a season when he was clearly out of his depth and should have been sacked in the summer, and then provided him with a pitiful budget meaning we signed some absolute dross. He has a lot to prove in this transfer window. Not true. He was sacked after the Fulham game, our 3rd league game of the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 20:41:54 GMT 1
The problem is, we’re stuck needing both a long and short term strategy. We need players now who will simply put a shift in and scrape us to 50 points. We then need to identify the players who can help us build for the future.
The club seem to think we can achieve the former whilst reducing the wage bill by getting shot of the ‘deadwood’. This is a very risky strategy. The fact that so many players aren’t being considered for selection is a failure of the current management throughout the club. The fact that we are desperate for a short term fix is a failure of previous management (top to bottom) of the club.
The whole situation is an unholy mess.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 1, 2020 20:44:25 GMT 1
Will be interesting to see who we bring in and will big phil back the Cowleys.
That was an embarrassment today, disgusting by many players.
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Post by Maynardblue on Jan 1, 2020 20:46:06 GMT 1
He allowed a completely inept manager to keep his job 7 games into a season when he was clearly out of his depth and should have been sacked in the summer, and then provided him with a pitiful budget meaning we signed some absolute dross. He has a lot to prove in this transfer window. He didn't provide the budget, the budget was set by Dean Hoyle end of the previous season. So vent your spleen at Hoyle for the 'pitiful budget' |
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Post by wigster on Jan 1, 2020 20:49:36 GMT 1
He allowed a completely inept manager to keep his job 7 games into a season when he was clearly out of his depth and should have been sacked in the summer, and then provided him with a pitiful budget meaning we signed some absolute dross. He has a lot to prove in this transfer window. Who appointed Siewert, after apparently watching him for 2 years  DH Who sanctioned every expensive flop that we bought - and are still, over the years, paying literally millions to ? DH Who appointed Winter and the others that watched over our demise whilst he was away ? A demise that included giving up our Premier league place with an absolutely pathetic whimper ? DH Who, allegedly, "sold" the club to a new Chairman who may not have a lot of money but,by doing so,allegedly gets his "gifts"/loans/expenditure back from our parachute payments,meaning we're already over budget and scraping around for loans after TWO years in the Premier league ? DH I have no idea what is going on financially but I hope that Dean Hoyle's apparent desire to get his money back so quickly is not leaving our club in the excrement. He did say there were others interested in buying the club, but presumably not on the terms Phil H offered. Hoyle apparently approached PH. |
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Post by willo on Jan 1, 2020 20:53:05 GMT 1
We really need to cash in on mooy. He's central to Brighton so should be holding out for 30 million. This all needs reinvesting in the squad Absolutely. Mooy is playing very well for Brighton and his stock will be high. Now is the time to sell and the bidding starts at £20m. |
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Post by dirtysteve on Jan 1, 2020 20:54:33 GMT 1
We really need to cash in on mooy. He's central to Brighton so should be holding out for 30 million. This all needs reinvesting in the squad Spot fucking on. |
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Post by southowram on Jan 1, 2020 20:55:10 GMT 1
Need a whole new defence. Plus a striker that can actually score.
Where has all the money gone?
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Post by willo on Jan 1, 2020 20:57:19 GMT 1
When Cowley says we only have 13/14 players and no wingers, he really is getting a free ride. He’s done some really good things since he came but these 2 problems are totally self inflicted. Just who are these wingers? Neither Mbenza nor Diakhaby want to be here (or are good enough) and we have no others. The 13/14 players he refers to are all the recognised pros left who are either uninjured and are “available” to play. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 1, 2020 20:58:29 GMT 1
Need a whole new defence. Plus a striker that can actually score. Where has all the money gone? We've got the fifth top scorer in the division |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 1, 2020 21:01:34 GMT 1
When Cowley says we only have 13/14 players and no wingers, he really is getting a free ride. He’s done some really good things since he came but these 2 problems are totally self inflicted. No.
Cowley has worked miracles with the threadbare squad we have. All the better players were sold off or released because they downed tools. Not the clubs fault that one but not replacing them is. If we are putting kids on the bench then Cowley has to be able to rely on them and I don't feel he thinks he can. We do need quality in certain areas and quickly. If the club have not identified players to bring in (yet again) then we are screwed plain and simple.
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Post by ben1987 on Jan 1, 2020 21:07:35 GMT 1
Our problem is that we have a Premier League standard management team and a Conference standard chairman. I have no faith that Phil will back them as they deserve. His record so far has been truly pathetic The fuck you on about? Get yourself off to bed. |
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Post by boooothy on Jan 1, 2020 21:10:27 GMT 1
When Cowley says we only have 13/14 players and no wingers, he really is getting a free ride. He’s done some really good things since he came but these 2 problems are totally self inflicted. Just who are these wingers? Neither Mbenza nor Diakhaby want to be here (or are good enough) and we have no others. The 13/14 players he refers to are all the recognised pros left who are either uninjured and are “available” to play. I agree that Diabenza is rubbish and wants to leave but they are a better option that what we’ve had on the bench. They are not the only players who want to leave. We going to stop playing Grant cause he has his eye on the Premier League next season? |
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Post by dugnet on Jan 1, 2020 21:15:12 GMT 1
Here's a novel idea, why not wait to see what happens in the window? Players will leave and I'm sure players will arrive.
If, and I don't see any evidence to suggest this won't happen, Cowley isn't supported then be concerned. If we don't support him then we are heading right back to where we where before DW.
On Sunday Cowley described the situation as a "mess" (that PH was trying to unravel) so we need to give them the opportunity to do just that.
As much as he has done for Town DH has to take a significant degree of the responsibility for the "mess". He needs to allow PH some leeway to support Cowley.
It's a simple equation support the Cowleys and have a chance to progress.
I'd be worried if it was 31st Jan, but it isn't so let's see what happens.
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Post by kes on Jan 1, 2020 21:17:06 GMT 1
We really need to cash in on mooy. He's central to Brighton so should be holding out for 30 million. This all needs reinvesting in the squad Absolutely. Mooy is playing very well for Brighton and his stock will be high. Now is the time to sell and the bidding starts at £20m. What bidding ? He can't play for another club this season. If we sell him we'll get about 5 mil up front. Have to pay the taxman 20% of any profit upfront plus a huge sell on chunk to City. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 1, 2020 21:18:11 GMT 1
Absolutely. Mooy is playing very well for Brighton and his stock will be high. Now is the time to sell and the bidding starts at £20m. What bidding ? He can't play for another club this season. If we sell him we'll get about 5 mil up front. Have to pay the taxman 20% of any profit upfront plus a huge sell on chunk to City. does the sell on still apply now that he has signed a 'new' contract with us? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 1, 2020 21:19:20 GMT 1
Get off PH's back -if you have to blame someone look no further than Hoyle and Wagner. How soon we forget, I am astonished at the stick that DW is getting. Putting things into perspective DW had us playing decent football in his first season when he was tasked with avoiding relegation, ( far better that the rubbish seen today and on Boxing Day) In his first full season we got promotion and then survived a year in the premier league. In the second season we played well up to Arsenal Away and the players and the fans all stuck together until he left. There is one one obvious reason we find ourselves in the current position, which is terrible recruitment of poor quality players who we paid far to much Money for and gave them contracts they did not deserve. I have no idea how this happened but the club appears to have gone into a tail spin now looking to buy players from the lower leagues trying to stem the cash leaking out of the club. The current managers have done quite well with limited resource but we appear to be making exactly the same mistakes again looking to buy players who are simply not going to be good enough for the league we are currently in. I hope i am I am wrong and we get a few good quality players into the squad, but if we are bottom fishing in the transfer market at this critical stage, then IMO this can only lead to a desperate struggle this season and the foreseeable future. We should never have got promoted with that squad. We should never have stayed up with the 1st season premier league squad. We had no chance of staying up with the final premier league squad. In no way can Wagner be blamed IMO, there is no way he could have kept us up and there is no way he scouted those players. Blame the guy who leaves... Easy. Phil Hodgkinson made a mistake in listening to people who told him the slimmed down squad was good enough to survive in the championship... It wasn't. He was too trusting, the writing was on the wall. It was clear to the majority we needed better than what we signed. IMO we cannot blame Phil for anything else, I think he has learned some very quick and harsh lessons and he has since become his own man and his decisions from then onwards have been good. Hopefully he now accepts we need some quality additions in January to see us through, with a further sort out in summer. I trust that he now has the right men advising him.... The Cowleys. |
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Post by terrier10 on Jan 1, 2020 21:21:15 GMT 1
What bidding ? He can't play for another club this season. If we sell him we'll get about 5 mil up front. Have to pay the taxman 20% of any profit upfront plus a huge sell on chunk to City. does the sell on still apply now that he has signed a 'new' contract with us? There are two contracts - one between the selling club and buying club and the other is between the player and club. Mooy could’ve signed 3 new contracts with us and we are still bound by the terms of the transfer contract - sell on clause will still apply. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 1, 2020 21:23:48 GMT 1
does the sell on still apply now that he has signed a 'new' contract with us? There are two contracts - one between the selling club and buying club and the other is between the player and club. Mooy could’ve signed 3 new contracts with us and we are still bound by the terms of the transfer contract - sell on clause will still apply. that is true, but the contract between the selling club and town ran its course didn't it? or is it basically there until the player 'moves on'? |
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Post by terrier10 on Jan 1, 2020 21:28:08 GMT 1
There are two contracts - one between the selling club and buying club and the other is between the player and club. Mooy could’ve signed 3 new contracts with us and we are still bound by the terms of the transfer contract - sell on clause will still apply. that is true, but the contract between the selling club and town ran its course didn't it? or is it basically there until the player 'moves on'? It will set out how much we are to pay, when the payments are due etc. And if there is a sell on % of any profit that will also last for as long as the player is at the club. Otherwise you would have teams signing a player, putting in a massive sell on clause and then giving the player a new contract the following day to render the sell on clause void - just wouldn’t happen. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 1, 2020 21:36:29 GMT 1
that is true, but the contract between the selling club and town ran its course didn't it? or is it basically there until the player 'moves on'? It will set out how much we are to pay, when the payments are due etc. And if there is a sell on % of any profit that will also last for as long as the player is at the club. Otherwise you would have teams signing a player, putting in a massive sell on clause and then giving the player a new contract the following day to render the sell on clause void - just wouldn’t happen. I would not mind Citeh getting a percentage as we got Mooy on the cheap. I hope we get top whack for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 21:40:09 GMT 1
Helicopter just landed at Canalside?🤔 stewart webber been at the game today |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 21:49:03 GMT 1
Our problem is that we have a Premier League standard management team and a Conference standard chairman. I have no faith that Phil will back them as they deserve. His record so far has been truly pathetic give up lad |
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Post by bluestripe on Jan 1, 2020 21:49:15 GMT 1
that is true, but the contract between the selling club and town ran its course didn't it? or is it basically there until the player 'moves on'? It will set out how much we are to pay, when the payments are due etc. And if there is a sell on % of any profit that will also last for as long as the player is at the club. Otherwise you would have teams signing a player, putting in a massive sell on clause and then giving the player a new contract the following day to render the sell on clause void - just wouldn’t happen. The sell on clause lasts until the player becomes a free agent. As far as I know, Jordan Rhodes has not become a free agent since leaving Town. If somebody was to offer £20m for him now, some cash would filter back through all the contracts to Town. |
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Post by boooothy on Jan 1, 2020 21:51:50 GMT 1
Can someone just post a rumour please to give us hope? Doesn’t matter if it’s true.
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