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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 14:36:21 GMT 1
Well you did say you were not posting again, and you are. I am not sure you can be trusted. Don't think he said " never again" probably just took a little break .Pleased to have his input back 😁 |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 4, 2020 14:37:48 GMT 1
Someone's getting mixed up over investments and purchases. So mr Hoyle didn’t purchase the club? The club is an entity that another buyer purchased from him later - Good luck finding a buyer for your second hand merchandise - food, beverages - Ewww! - and tickets for matches already played. Town as a football club was a purchase to commit to cover its losses (to the tune of £50m over 8 years until it became profitable for the last couple of years) Your purchases were for goods and services. Come back when you have actually purchased a company or its stock. Business courses are available if you continue to show your lack of understanding on this issue. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 4, 2020 14:40:09 GMT 1
I'm really shocked at the lack of rumours at the moment. So far we have: Josh Sims - LW, Southampton Sammie Modicks - AM, Bristol Is that it? Strangely it’s not the first time you have expressed concerns over a lack of rumours and can’t tell if you are joking. I’m surprised that you are interested in rumours and wish for more rumours. Why not just wait and see what happens? Does it matter what rumours are flying around, most are bollocks anyway. |
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Post by tobbyg on Jan 4, 2020 14:41:38 GMT 1
Well you did say you were not posting again, and you are. I am not sure you can be trusted. I’d say the same about you. The amount on numpties on here and you choose to call Maynard out, give your head a shake you clown. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 4, 2020 14:42:42 GMT 1
The 2018/19 accounts are due by 31 March 2020. Until then we have no idea whether the payback to DH (to which he is absolutely entitled) has even started. It could be March 2021 before we find out whether transfer activity in this current season has been impacted by any repayments. It may be years before we find out what the total payment amounts to, and over how many seasons it will be spread. All we know at the moment is that the club will repay most but not all of our debt to him. As for the criticism of DH in this thread, I would be prepared to accept opinions only from individuals who have suffered from a life threatening illness after having invested around £50m of their private fortune in the club. So, when you go to watch Town do you not have an opinion? I’m assuming you’ve not played professional football. When you watch a film do you not have an opinion? Again, I’m assuming you’re not a film director or actor? If you go to an art gallery, do you not comment on the paintings? Assuming once more that you’re not an artist for a living. When you’re asked to vote in an election, assuming you’re not a politician ... Etc. In other words, a very poor argument.  exactly. |
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Post by Melc on Jan 4, 2020 14:48:59 GMT 1
Well you did say you were not posting again, and you are. I am not sure you can be trusted. I don’t think he will give a shit whether you trust him or not. The main thing is the majority on here do!! |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 4, 2020 14:49:33 GMT 1
So mr Hoyle didn’t purchase the club? The club is an entity that another buyer purchased from him later - Good luck finding a buyer for your second hand merchandise - food, beverages - Ewww! - and tickets for matches already played. Town as a football club was a purchase to commit to cover its losses (to the tune of £50m over 8 years until it became profitable for the last couple of years) Your purchases were for goods and services. Come back when you have actually purchased a company or its stock. Business courses are available if you continue to show your lack of understanding on this issue. Calm down life’s too short I only asked a question which you’ve answered so thank you but less sarcasm would be brilliant |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 4, 2020 14:51:17 GMT 1
For what its worth I'm confident we will have a good window of both ins and outs and I hope this time next week we'll be in a better position. I have not seen Maynard so engaged with datm, during previous windows.He also said he wasn’t posting again. I’ m a little concerned. I think I’l wait for Cameo before getting too excited Concerned about what? It's an internet forum not the houses of parliament. If you don't like what Maynard posts you can block the posts if you're so concerned. |
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Post by 4 pts on Jan 4, 2020 14:54:09 GMT 1
There are and have been many a chairman/owners that have been lambasted for trying to make or take money from other clubs. The question is, when you take on a football club, should you expect to get your investment/money back ? In his early years he was pumping substantial amounts of money into the club with no possibility or expectation of ever seeing any of it again. Hopefully we can all agree on that. Who knows how long this situation would have continued, no one else was queueing up to throw their money into the bottomless pit. And then the miracle happened.... Agree with all that Basil, but the question still stands. |
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Post by basil on Jan 4, 2020 15:02:41 GMT 1
In his early years he was pumping substantial amounts of money into the club with no possibility or expectation of ever seeing any of it again. Hopefully we can all agree on that. Who knows how long this situation would have continued, no one else was queueing up to throw their money into the bottomless pit. And then the miracle happened.... Agree with all that Basil, but the question still stands. Do I mind that he's taken some or all of his money back? No. Are we in a better position now than we were? Yes. Very much so. So I don't have a problem. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 4, 2020 15:04:56 GMT 1
The club is an entity that another buyer purchased from him later - Good luck finding a buyer for your second hand merchandise - food, beverages - Ewww! - and tickets for matches already played. Town as a football club was a purchase to commit to cover its losses (to the tune of £50m over 8 years until it became profitable for the last couple of years) Your purchases were for goods and services. Come back when you have actually purchased a company or its stock. Business courses are available if you continue to show your lack of understanding on this issue. life’s too short I only asked a question which you’ve answered so thank you but less sarcasm would be brilliant Am perfectly relaxed my friend. Just exasperated at some suggestions that our last owner asset stripped us when at his own expense before any remote sign that the club would ever be in receipt of the PL riches. He paid millions to someone who did asset strip the club of stadium share (for all of £2) He paid for and provided a purpose built actual training complex rather than the Leeds Rd and Storthes Hall shambolic combination that was used prior to that. He was the club's sugar daddy backing a succession of managers in the transfer market, etc. Even buying lighting rigs for the stadium that couldn't afford them. I can't believe some suggest we are back to what did you say "square one"? Ungrateful is the word IMO that applies to anyone now questioning DH and his tenure at the club - We can only hope and wish that any owner now or going forward may emulate his time in charge of our club. |
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 4, 2020 15:08:53 GMT 1
One thing I want to know is if DH is taking back money rightly/wrongly that he put in to the club will this effect FFP and what we have to play with No, its purely balance sheet. It may raise a question as to whether we are solvent? thats the directors problem. Cheers I'm not a finance or figures person and the FFP rules seem very murky recently ala massive, Derby. Things are what they are hopefully we will come through it stronger for the experience and learn from it all |
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Post by ian2 on Jan 4, 2020 15:11:34 GMT 1
Can Mooy play for Brighton?...he’s not in todays team.........interesting Murray is not in their team either. Brighton fans think he is on his way. Forest mentioned but definitely worth a punt for me.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jan 4, 2020 15:24:07 GMT 1
Just read on the BBC that Joe Hart might leave Burnley to sit on the bench at Villa - Tom Heaton is at Villa and is now injured.
Is what I'm going to suggest controversial ?
Grabban has undoubted potential - but in a relegation scrap can we afford to have him giving up goals with silly mistakes as he is right now? Lobbed goal against Stoke a prime example.
Hart may have his faults but with his experience I feel it may be what we need.
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 4, 2020 15:35:35 GMT 1
Just read on the BBC that Joe Hart might leave Burnley to sit on the bench at Villa - Tom Heaton is at Villa and is now injured. Is what I'm going to suggest controversial ? Grabban has undoubted potential - but in a relegation scrap can we afford to have him giving up goals with silly mistakes as he is right now? Lobbed goal against Stoke a prime example. Hart may have his faults but with his experience I feel it may be what we need. Hart is head and shoulders above our wage budget. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jan 4, 2020 15:36:35 GMT 1
Well you did say you were not posting again, and you are. I am not sure you can be trusted. Don't think he said " never again" probably just took a little break .Pleased to have his input back 😁 Or her  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 15:37:51 GMT 1
So, when you go to watch Town do you not have an opinion? I’m assuming you’ve not played professional football. When you watch a film do you not have an opinion? Again, I’m assuming you’re not a film director or actor? If you go to an art gallery, do you not comment on the paintings? Assuming once more that you’re not an artist for a living. When you’re asked to vote in an election, assuming you’re not a politician ... Etc. In other words, a very poor argument. exactly. You have misunderstood what I have written. On this one topic ( the criticism of DH), I ( just me, not suggesting that others take the same attitude) am not prepared to listen to the opinions of those who are not and never have been in anything like DH's position. |
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Post by townrwe on Jan 4, 2020 15:40:09 GMT 1
Just read on the BBC that Joe Hart might leave Burnley to sit on the bench at Villa - Tom Heaton is at Villa and is now injured. Is what I'm going to suggest controversial ? Grabban has undoubted potential - but in a relegation scrap can we afford to have him giving up goals with silly mistakes as he is right now? Lobbed goal against Stoke a prime example. Hart may have his faults but with his experience I feel it may be what we need. Hart is head and shoulders above our wage budget. Was reported to be on 100k a week when he left man city..... I reckon we would stretch to 10k at most. |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 4, 2020 15:40:24 GMT 1
all the good hoyle did, the end has definitely soured it and i never thought id say that
bottom line is he should have recouped his 'gifts' via a cash sale....
this spin that paying dean off means we are a debt free club and attractive investment is a load of rubbish. makes little difference as it just rises the value of the club.
dean should have been selling it as "give me XXm and for that you get the club and its players/parachute payments/assets and the debt is gone"
not give us nowt and then take it out of the club pot..
if the number ive heard is correct dean has done extremely well and i dont see any compromise/sharing of the loss with phil. dean gets all his money AND still owns part of the club? (and poss training ground?)
To say hes placed phil as a custodian it seems like hes had phils pants down.
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Post by townrwe on Jan 4, 2020 15:46:28 GMT 1
all the good hoyle did, the end has definitely soured it and i never thought id say that bottom line is he should have recouped his 'gifts' via a cash sale.... this spin that paying dean off means we are a debt free club and attractive investment is a load of rubbish. makes little difference as it just rises the value of the club. dean should have been selling it as "give me XXm and for that you get the club and its players/parachute payments/assets and the debt is gone" not give us nowt and then take it out of the club pot.. if the number ive heard is correct dean has done extremely well and i dont see any compromise/sharing of the loss with phil. dean gets all his money AND still owns part of the club? (and poss training ground?) To say hes placed phil as a custodian it seems like hes had phils pants down. It would have been better with a clean break and someone with their own brass, but almost all buyers would have been looking to pay back loans with the parachute payments, it's a club for nothing basically, like man utd was to the glaziers. Its just what's left is a bottom of the championship sized club that will struggle year on year until we either run out of luck.... or have another amazing season. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 4, 2020 15:50:23 GMT 1
all the good hoyle did, the end has definitely soured it and i never thought id say that bottom line is he should have recouped his 'gifts' via a cash sale.... this spin that paying dean off means we are a debt free club and attractive investment is a load of rubbish. makes little difference as it just rises the value of the club. dean should have been selling it as "give me XXm and for that you get the club and its players/parachute payments/assets and the debt is gone" not give us nowt and then take it out of the club pot.. if the number ive heard is correct dean has done extremely well and i dont see any compromise/sharing of the loss with phil. dean gets all his money AND still owns part of the club? (and poss training ground?) To say hes placed phil as a custodian it seems like hes had phils pants down. Hope you’ve got a tin hat I got pelted for criticising the current situation. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 4, 2020 15:53:44 GMT 1
all the good hoyle did, the end has definitely soured it and i never thought id say that bottom line is he should have recouped his 'gifts' via a cash sale.... this spin that paying dean off means we are a debt free club and attractive investment is a load of rubbish. makes little difference as it just rises the value of the club. dean should have been selling it as "give me XXm and for that you get the club and its players/parachute payments/assets and the debt is gone" not give us nowt and then take it out of the club pot.. if the number ive heard is correct dean has done extremely well and i dont see any compromise/sharing of the loss with phil. dean gets all his money AND still owns part of the club? (and poss training ground?) To say hes placed phil as a custodian it seems like hes had phils pants down.What financial analysis yields that conclusion? The purchase price? payment terms? asset valuation? |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 4, 2020 16:00:57 GMT 1
all the good hoyle did, the end has definitely soured it and i never thought id say that bottom line is he should have recouped his 'gifts' via a cash sale.... this spin that paying dean off means we are a debt free club and attractive investment is a load of rubbish. makes little difference as it just rises the value of the club. dean should have been selling it as "give me XXm and for that you get the club and its players/parachute payments/assets and the debt is gone" not give us nowt and then take it out of the club pot.. if the number ive heard is correct dean has done extremely well and i dont see any compromise/sharing of the loss with phil. dean gets all his money AND still owns part of the club? (and poss training ground?) To say hes placed phil as a custodian it seems like hes had phils pants down. Another way of looking at it is that the price HAD to be high due to the parachute payments the club knew they would receive. If DH GAVE the club to the next buyer then they would have a) A playing staff full of assets (the most the club's playing staff has ever been worth) £15m for Billing alone don't forget - never mind the rest. b) 3 parachute payments incoming totalling around £92m I don't know about anyone else but that doesn't seem that much of a burden - I would like to be gifting a club in that circumstance. Therefore IMO the price had to be realistic - £50m seems very low to me - If Town had not be sold to DH's trusted acquaintance the possibility of the new buyer selling off all the assets clearing the wage bill and then pocketing the parachute payments would have EXTREMELY high. I believe Town are in an comfortably healthy financial position but that would be in peril if we continued to spend as a PL club in the Championship or give out lengthy contracts that we won't be able to afford in 2 or 3 years time - Nothing wrong with good old fashioned Yorkshire prudence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 16:08:26 GMT 1
Well you did say you were not posting again, and you are. I am not sure you can be trusted. I said I was leaving, didn't say never posting again. Big difference. I've left datm quite a few times over the years. Sometimes I need a break from folks like you. The good people of datm are worth coming back for though. Maynard, don't be put off by the resident fools. I appreciate any snippets I can get. I live abroad and the lack of official news is at times difficult to take and it does make you wonder what is going on. So to hear from you that there is a lot going on behind the scenes is a little bit of encouragement. DATM can be depressing at times! |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 4, 2020 16:13:07 GMT 1
exactly. You have misunderstood what I have written. On this one topic ( the criticism of DH), I ( just me, not suggesting that others take the same attitude) am not prepared to listen to the opinions of those who are not and never have been in anything like DH's position. No I haven't. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 4, 2020 16:51:36 GMT 1
Calm down life’s too short I only asked a question which you’ve answered so thank you but less sarcasm would be brilliant Am perfectly relaxed my friend. Just exasperated at some suggestions that our last owner asset stripped us when at his own expense before any remote sign that the club would ever be in receipt of the PL riches. He paid millions to someone who did asset strip the club of stadium share (for all of £2) He paid for and provided a purpose built actual training complex rather than the Leeds Rd and Storthes Hall shambolic combination that was used prior to that. He was the club's sugar daddy backing a succession of managers in the transfer market, etc. Even buying lighting rigs for the stadium that couldn't afford them. I can't believe some suggest we are back to what did you say "square one"? Ungrateful is the word IMO that applies to anyone now questioning DH and his tenure at the club - We can only hope and wish that any owner now or going forward may emulate his time in charge of our club. I'm with most of that, the only slight issue I have, is I don't see anything wrong with 'questions'. DH will admit to making mistakes, whilst there is scope the takeover transaction and associated agreements have put us on the back foot. However, as I said, I'm talking about 'questions', not making assumptions that are giving DH no goodwill whatsoever, often formed from not even a base level understanding of finance. Bores me to death when people go on as if they'd do things differently if they were in someone else's shoes, when they are never going to be, so can never be judged. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 4, 2020 17:04:26 GMT 1
One for the future perhaps? Watching an impressive performance by Liam Kitching, 20 year old left sided defender for FGR. Brings the ball out well and cool under pressure. Turns out he’s from Harrogate, ex-Leeds youngster.
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Post by terrierpark on Jan 4, 2020 17:07:19 GMT 1
Never criticise a man unless youve walked a mile in his shoes,then your a mile away ,and he hasnt got his shoes!
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Post by ben1987 on Jan 4, 2020 17:14:00 GMT 1
Well you did say you were not posting again, and you are. I am not sure you can be trusted. Another one who eats crayons and picks his nose. Full of these types recently. |
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 4, 2020 18:08:59 GMT 1
One for the future perhaps? Watching an impressive performance by Liam Kitching, 20 year old left sided defender for FGR. Brings the ball out well and cool under pressure. Turns out he’s from Harrogate, ex-Leeds youngster. I've seen him play a few times and no a few lads that no him and the family. Grown up in the Leeds academy and loaned out to Harrogate past season or two. Glad hes played well and wish him all the best but honestly, i dont think so. |
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