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Post by jonny5 on Nov 11, 2019 9:49:33 GMT 1
the fact that there were no British Referees at the 2018 World Cup speaks for itself. These guys are supposedly professional refs.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Nov 11, 2019 10:31:09 GMT 1
If Aguero had played on instead of appealing for the handball there was a perfect opportunity to slide the ball across to Sterling for a tap in.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 11, 2019 10:34:27 GMT 1
the fact that there were no British Referees at the 2018 World Cup speaks for itself. These guys are supposedly professional refs. Id say our refs are amongst the best in the world. That there were none at the world cup says two things to me- 1-They don't like refs that will still allow some level of physical contact in the game. 2- There are no votes to be secured by allocating a British ref, whereas you can guarantee a vote for your presidency if you give a place to a ref from somewhere like the Solomon Islands.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 11, 2019 10:37:37 GMT 1
I don't see how it can be a penalty The new rule (which is stupid) will disallow any goal if it has hit an attackers arm in the immediate build up. Therefore you can't go awarding penalties and give the attacking team a perfect chance to score if it has hit their hand 1 second before it then hits the opposition's hand It shouldn't have been play on though. If its not a penalty ( ie no foul ) then how could you stop play? On what grounds if no foul has occurred?
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 11, 2019 10:48:26 GMT 1
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Post by Tiro on Nov 11, 2019 11:01:50 GMT 1
Still a twat. Still has that smug look on his face. Still seemingly unrepentant. Still a cocky 'I'm in charge demeanor'. Still cocking up professional football matches. Still a twat. Have I already said that one? Imagine that; a referee who has an authoritative demeanour. It's almost as if they're trained/required to be in control. Just what are they trying to do!?
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 11, 2019 11:05:50 GMT 1
I presume the hatred of Oliver goes back to that brighton game? Terrible decision to not give us a pen when pritchard was dragged down. He was right to send Mounie off though.
Overall hes a good ref IMO. He makes errors, but which ref doesn't?
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 11, 2019 11:21:31 GMT 1
I presume the hatred of Oliver goes back to that brighton game? Terrible decision to not give us a pen when pritchard was dragged down. He was right to send Mounie off though. Overall hes a good ref IMO. He makes errors, but which ref doesn't? Agree with all of that except Mounié sending off. Oliver correctly didn’t issue reds to Lallana (v Town) nor to Tielemans (v Arsenal) for very similar (but worse) fouls last season.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 11, 2019 11:27:20 GMT 1
I presume the hatred of Oliver goes back to that brighton game? Terrible decision to not give us a pen when pritchard was dragged down. He was right to send Mounie off though. Overall hes a good ref IMO. He makes errors, but which ref doesn't? Agree with all of that except Mounié sending off. Oliver correctly didn’t issue reds to Lallana (v Town) nor to Tielemans (v Arsenal) for very similar (but worse) fouls last season. Or the one in the same game on Erik Durm, a potential leg breaker, that he was looking straight at from approximately 5 yards away. He's a bottleless little wanker who believes he's a lot better than he is. Like almost all of the refs in the PL he's just not very good.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 11, 2019 11:41:08 GMT 1
Can't comment on the other ones as i don;t remember them, but the Mounie one was a definite straight red IMO. Two players coming together at speed, he went over the ball straight into the guys shin just below the knee as this photo proves. A cowardly challenge IMO. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46433020
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 11, 2019 11:56:08 GMT 1
I don't see how it can be a penalty The new rule (which is stupid) will disallow any goal if it has hit an attackers arm in the immediate build up. Therefore you can't go awarding penalties and give the attacking team a perfect chance to score if it has hit their hand 1 second before it then hits the opposition's hand It shouldn't have been play on though. If its not a penalty ( ie no foul ) then how could you stop play? On what grounds if no foul has occurred? Give a free kick for the handball by Silva and it immediately diffuses the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 12:15:00 GMT 1
Apologies if anyone has already mentioned it above, but Oliver Twist reffed us against Liverpool and Brighton last season.
He 'missed' the blatant Milner handball at our place, and sent Mounie off against Brighton, changing both games of course. Not my favourite ref, although the handball early on yesterday was far less blatant than Milner's last season, and I thought he did a decent job overall with the aristocrats yesterday.
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Post by Mav on Nov 11, 2019 12:34:20 GMT 1
Also apologies if it has been mentioned but Michael Oliver is a twat of the highest order (as are Liverpool).
Glad I got that off me chest.
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Post by rastrick32 on Nov 11, 2019 13:24:34 GMT 1
Can't comment on the other ones as i don;t remember them, but the Mounie one was a definite straight red IMO. Two players coming together at speed, he went over the ball straight into the guys shin just below the knee as this photo proves. A cowardly challenge IMO. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46433020I don't know where you sit mate but that was directly in front of me. Minimal contact as Mounie was pulling out of the challenge. Oliver was in a shite position but flourished a red on the reaction of the 'injured' player. Assistant ref with the best view kept his flag down. It was never a red and never cowardly. It was clumsy at best and maybe a yellow. The challenge on Durm, when Oliver had a fantastic view, was an assault.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 11, 2019 14:01:04 GMT 1
No. It was cowardly. He wasn't committed to the tackle ( as per usual ) , didn;t want to get hurt, so lifted his foot over the ball and out of the way of the brighton players foot and straight into his shin. It didn;t skim his shin.. it hit it full on, just below the knee ( look at the photo!)
Honestly, I think the vast majority of refs would have given him a red card for that in this day and age. The brighton player will have made a meal of it, they all do, but he would have been EXTREMELY lucky to get away with a yellow for that IMO.
I sit in the middle of the Kilner so was more or less directly behind Mounie when he did it. My first thought was hed be off, followed by a few words about what an idiot he is.
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Post by Town Duppy on Nov 11, 2019 14:24:13 GMT 1
Wouldn't need VAR if he'd used his fucking eyes, it was an absolute stonewall penalty. I've no dog in the Liverpool/City fight but I thought he was a total homer today.
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Post by bogart on Nov 11, 2019 18:17:09 GMT 1
If Aguero had played on instead of appealing for the handball there was a perfect opportunity to slide the ball across to Sterling for a tap in. Bit like slow motion after the appeal. As you say Aguero was to busy wanting the penalty decision totally ignored the Liverpool guy a yard away who finally decided to hoof it.
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Post by bogart on Nov 11, 2019 18:18:30 GMT 1
Did I not read somewhere earlier in the season regarding handballs in the area. If an attacker handles it is 100% a free kick, if a defender handles it is open to debate.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 11, 2019 18:56:24 GMT 1
Did I not read somewhere earlier in the season regarding handballs in the area. If an attacker handles it is 100% a free kick, if a defender handles it is open to debate. Thinking about it, Im pretty sure theres a rule, or an accepted interpretation at least, that if an attacker handles the ball, even in the slightest, unintentional way, and the passage of play leads to a goal, then the goal should be ruled out. Think theres been a few goals chalked off by VAR because its flicked some attacker's finger in the lead up to a goal. So you could argue that Silva's handball, unintentional as it was, would have lead to a Man City pen so probably a goal ( ie TAA's genuine handball wouldn't have ever happened without Silvas accidental handball first ) So maybe the correct decision should have been to award Liverpool a free kick for Silvas handball? But then maybe the ref was right to play the advantage and allow Liverpool to attack,, then score? So basically theres strong, very plausible arguments for- Liverpools goal being ruled out and Man City getting a pen Man city not getting a pen and Liverpool getting a free kick in their own area. Man City not getting a pen and Liverpools goal being allowed.. what happened. Remember the days before umpteen cameras at every game, where youd either like it or lump it but never really know if the ref called it right or not.
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Post by 28901 on Nov 11, 2019 19:49:07 GMT 1
Did I not read somewhere earlier in the season regarding handballs in the area. If an attacker handles it is 100% a free kick, if a defender handles it is open to debate. Thinking about it, Im pretty sure theres a rule, or an accepted interpretation at least, that if an attacker handles the ball, even in the slightest, unintentional way, and the passage of play leads to a goal, then the goal should be ruled out. Think theres been a few goals chalked off by VAR because its flicked some attacker's finger in the lead up to a goal. So you could argue that Silva's handball, unintentional as it was, would have lead to a Man City pen so probably a goal ( ie TAA's genuine handball wouldn't have ever happened without Silvas accidental handball first ) So maybe the correct decision should have been to award Liverpool a free kick for Silvas handball? But then maybe the ref was right to play the advantage and allow Liverpool to attack,, then score? So basically theres strong, very plausible arguments for- Liverpools goal being ruled out and Man City getting a pen Man city not getting a pen and Liverpool getting a free kick in their own area. Man City not getting a pen and Liverpools goal being allowed.. what happened. Remember the days before umpteen cameras at every game, where youd either like it or lump it but never really know if the ref called it right or not. Why not go back to the kick off every first goal scored?...Im sure there will be a wrong decision somewhere. Its absolute shite and the sooner they can it the better. What good is it? It hasn't ended controversy its created more, while at the same time ruining the very thing that makes football what it is...the explosion of joy when the ball hits the net.
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Post by impact on Nov 11, 2019 20:00:18 GMT 1
No. It was cowardly. He wasn't committed to the tackle ( as per usual ) , didn;t want to get hurt, so lifted his foot over the ball and out of the way of the brighton players foot and straight into his shin. It didn;t skim his shin.. it hit it full on, just below the knee ( look at the photo!) Honestly, I think the vast majority of refs would have given him a red card for that in this day and age. The brighton player will have made a meal of it, they all do, but he would have been EXTREMELY lucky to get away with a yellow for that IMO. I sit in the middle of the Kilner so was more or less directly behind Mounie when he did it. My first thought was hed be off, followed by a few words about what an idiot he is. You're judging it from a photo? They manipulate all sorts. The photo you're talking about is the one at the exact moment his foot is touching the guy's shin. It makes it look like a straight leg into it. The reality, as the video showed, was that he was skimming past it. In that game there was only 1 tackle that could have seriously injured a player, and it wasn't from Mounie.
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Post by impact on Nov 11, 2019 20:02:32 GMT 1
I presume the hatred of Oliver goes back to that brighton game? Terrible decision to not give us a pen when pritchard was dragged down. He was right to send Mounie off though. Overall hes a good ref IMO. He makes errors, but which ref doesn't? Agree with all of that except Mounié sending off. Oliver correctly didn’t issue reds to Lallana (v Town) nor to Tielemans (v Arsenal) for very similar (but worse) fouls last season. I have saved the Tielemans as it annoyed me so much. Fucking prick.
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Post by rastrick32 on Nov 11, 2019 20:50:14 GMT 1
No. It was cowardly. He wasn't committed to the tackle ( as per usual ) , didn;t want to get hurt, so lifted his foot over the ball and out of the way of the brighton players foot and straight into his shin. It didn;t skim his shin.. it hit it full on, just below the knee ( look at the photo!) Honestly, I think the vast majority of refs would have given him a red card for that in this day and age. The brighton player will have made a meal of it, they all do, but he would have been EXTREMELY lucky to get away with a yellow for that IMO. I sit in the middle of the Kilner so was more or less directly behind Mounie when he did it. My first thought was hed be off, followed by a few words about what an idiot he is. We have to agree to disagree on this one. Mounie merely tickles him, he hits the deck like a sniper victim and Oliver buys it hook, line and fucking sinker, even though he was behind the incident. The logical resolution to that situation is to have a quick word with the official who saw it. But Oliver doesn't do logical as he cannot wait to get the red card out and be the centre of attention.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 11, 2019 21:06:21 GMT 1
Can't comment on the other ones as i don;t remember them, but the Mounie one was a definite straight red IMO. Two players coming together at speed, he went over the ball straight into the guys shin just below the knee as this photo proves. A cowardly challenge IMO. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46433020I don't know where you sit mate but that was directly in front of me. Minimal contact as Mounie was pulling out of the challenge. Oliver was in a shite position but flourished a red on the reaction of the 'injured' player. Assistant ref with the best view kept his flag down. It was never a red and never cowardly. It was clumsy at best and maybe a yellow. The challenge on Durm, when Oliver had a fantastic view, was an assault. That is as good a description of the challenge as I’ve ever read. Exactly as I saw it. The player feigned injury and then was their MoM. Anyone with a good view of that knows Mounié is pulling out of that - call it cowardly if you will (Slapps) but it is a half-hearted challenge and not close to a red. As I referenced in an earlier post, Oliver gave yellow cards for similar (but notably worse) challenges in games both before and after the Brighton game.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 11, 2019 21:09:05 GMT 1
Agree with all of that except Mounié sending off. Oliver correctly didn’t issue reds to Lallana (v Town) nor to Tielemans (v Arsenal) for very similar (but worse) fouls last season. I have saved the Tielemans as it annoyed me so much. Fucking prick. Tielemans certainly isn’t pulling out of that.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 11, 2019 21:13:28 GMT 1
Tielemans looks a lot darker than I remember him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:26:21 GMT 1
Tielemans looks a lot darker than I remember him That would be because that is Wilfred Ndidi.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 11, 2019 22:45:41 GMT 1
Tielemans looks a lot darker than I remember him That would be because that is Wilfred Ndidi. Really? Thanks for clearing that up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:58:51 GMT 1
That would be because that is Wilfred Ndidi. Really? Thanks for clearing that up His squad number is 25. He was yellow carded against Arsenal back on 28th April.
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Post by Jack on Nov 11, 2019 23:16:36 GMT 1
It's worth remembering that at the time of Mounie's sending off we were 13th in the 'live' league table with 13 points and were looking like going 4 unbeaten.
13 games and almost 3 months later we were on 11 points and cast adrift.
Who knows what would have happened to our season had he stayed on the pitch but there's no doubt it was a huge turning point in the history of Huddersfield Town.
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