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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Nov 11, 2019 23:40:41 GMT 1
If he made Man City unhappy, then he is my new favourite ref. Same here pal. All these so called liverpool haters, very sad imo. They are playing superb pressing football. Would rather have anyone win the League except Liverpool, They are a great team with a great manager but i cant stand their supporters.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 11, 2019 23:43:18 GMT 1
Agree with all of that except Mounié sending off. Oliver correctly didn’t issue reds to Lallana (v Town) nor to Tielemans (v Arsenal) for very similar (but worse) fouls last season. I have saved the Tielemans as it annoyed me so much. Fucking prick. I wouldn't worry about it, everyone makes mistakes, according to Captainslapper. Doesn't mean they're a fucking shit ref or owt.
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Post by willo on Nov 12, 2019 0:19:27 GMT 1
It's worth remembering that at the time of Mounie's sending off we were 13th in the 'live' league table with 13 points and were looking like going 4 unbeaten. 13 games and almost 3 months later we were on 11 points and cast adrift. Who knows what would have happened to our season had he stayed on the pitch but there's no doubt it was a huge turning point in the history of Huddersfield Town. And that’s why oliver is guaranteed a warm reception when/if he refs us next time.
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Post by loumacari on Nov 12, 2019 7:39:08 GMT 1
Watch how quickly Oliver waves his arms to signal no penalty during the game on Sunday. There’s no way he can have weighed up in his own mind whether it was a penalty taking into account distance of TAA from Silva and where his hand was positioned in such a short space of time.
To me that means there’s either bias or unconscious bias in favour of Liverpool (see Milner v Town last season) or he didn’t give it hoping that if he'd missed a shocker the VAR would help him out.
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Post by rastrick32 on Nov 12, 2019 7:55:04 GMT 1
Watch how quickly Oliver waves his arms to signal no penalty during the game on Sunday. There’s no way he can have weighed up in his own mind whether it was a penalty taking into account distance of TAA from Silva and where his hand was positioned in such a short space of time. To me that means there’s either bias or unconscious bias in favour of Liverpool (see Milner v Town last season) or he didn’t give it hoping that if he'd missed a shocker the VAR would help him out. Ahhh the Milner penalty incident. One of the clearest penalty decisions ever unless it is a minnow against a world giant.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 12, 2019 8:03:43 GMT 1
Watch how quickly Oliver waves his arms to signal no penalty during the game on Sunday. There’s no way he can have weighed up in his own mind whether it was a penalty taking into account distance of TAA from Silva and where his hand was positioned in such a short space of time. To me that means there’s either bias or unconscious bias in favour of Liverpool (see Milner v Town last season) or he didn’t give it hoping that if he'd missed a shocker the VAR would help him out. Ahhh the Milner penalty incident. One of the clearest penalty decisions ever unless it is a minnow against a world giant. They'd have still found a bullshit reason to give no penalty if it had been VAR'd.
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Post by rastrick32 on Nov 12, 2019 8:15:09 GMT 1
Ahhh the Milner penalty incident. One of the clearest penalty decisions ever unless it is a minnow against a world giant. They'd have still found a bullshit reason to give no penalty if it had been VAR'd. Probably. Did you hear the bullshit from Swarbrick yesterday? 7 out of 10!!! Total, fucking nonsense. How did he keep a straight face?
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Post by k1man999 on Nov 12, 2019 8:21:05 GMT 1
Watch how quickly Oliver waves his arms to signal no penalty during the game on Sunday. There’s no way he can have weighed up in his own mind whether it was a penalty taking into account distance of TAA from Silva and where his hand was positioned in such a short space of time. To me that means there’s either bias or unconscious bias in favour of Liverpool (see Milner v Town last season) or he didn’t give it hoping that if he'd missed a shocker the VAR would help him out. Think nail on head. A lot of ref's are not making decisions hoping VAR will sort it as its someone else to blame. I thought VAR was to help the referee by being a reference if they or his linos were unsure of an incident not for VAR to be used with every incident. Like rugby if ref unsure he can go to the video refs if he thinks it's OK it's OK wheather he missed something or not ref decision final as it should be
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 8:58:26 GMT 1
Ahhh the Milner penalty incident. One of the clearest penalty decisions ever unless it is a minnow against a world giant. They'd have still found a bullshit reason to give no penalty if it had been VAR'd. They would have said thigh to hand, which it was.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 12, 2019 9:17:51 GMT 1
Watch how quickly Oliver waves his arms to signal no penalty during the game on Sunday. There’s no way he can have weighed up in his own mind whether it was a penalty taking into account distance of TAA from Silva and where his hand was positioned in such a short space of time. To me that means there’s either bias or unconscious bias in favour of Liverpool (see Milner v Town last season) or he didn’t give it hoping that if he'd missed a shocker the VAR would help him out. Ahhh the Milner penalty incident. One of the clearest penalty decisions ever unless it is a minnow against a world giant. Or the bin dippers 😉
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Post by impact on Nov 12, 2019 11:46:13 GMT 1
They'd have still found a bullshit reason to give no penalty if it had been VAR'd. They would have said thigh to hand, which it was. I can absolutely guarantee they'd have spent ages drawing lines on to try and show Pritchard was offside in that game though, unlike when they "forgot" to do so with Salah on Sunday.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 12, 2019 13:34:20 GMT 1
They'd have still found a bullshit reason to give no penalty if it had been VAR'd. They would have said thigh to hand, which it was. To which my reply would be, he knew Prichard was behind him and moved his arm to make himself bigger and attempt to stop the ball reaching him. It was another awful, piss weak decision from Oliver.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2019 0:43:40 GMT 1
I have saved the Tielemans as it annoyed me so much. Fucking prick. I wouldn't worry about it, everyone makes mistakes, according to Captainslapper. Doesn't mean they're a fucking shit ref or owt. Yeah inconsistant reffing, though i don;t think that was as bad as the Mounie incident because there the two players were running towards each other so the challenge had more momentum and was more dangerous. In that one the Leicester play is stationary, but yeah there is an element of inconsistency.
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Post by impact on Nov 13, 2019 1:33:58 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry about it, everyone makes mistakes, according to Captainslapper. Doesn't mean they're a fucking shit ref or owt. Yeah inconsistant reffing, though i don;t think that was as bad as the Mounie incident because there the two players were running towards each other so the challenge had more momentum and was more dangerous. In that one the Leicester play is stationary, but yeah there is an element of inconsistency. If you don't think that was as bad as Mounie's, then I can only conclude that you've never seen Mounie's. Because the Leicester one is far worse.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 14, 2019 0:31:05 GMT 1
Well its just not though is it.
Its a player going for the ball, but suddenly the balls not there. There isn't the same momentum as the players clash either as one player is stationary.
With Mounie's its 2 players running at each other. Any ref is on high alert in that situation looking for exactly what Mounie did.. stepping over the ball ( which is still there) and going into the opponents leg.
Ones likely to get a yellow card and ones likely to get a red card, which is what the ref did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 9:07:20 GMT 1
Well its just not though is it. Its a player going for the ball, but suddenly the balls not there. There isn't the same momentum as the players clash either as one player is stationary. With Mounie's its 2 players running at each other. Any ref is on high alert in that situation looking for exactly what Mounie did.. stepping over the ball ( which is still there) and going into the opponents leg. Ones likely to get a yellow card and ones likely to get a red card, which is what the ref did. Bouncing ball. pic hoster
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Post by impact on Nov 14, 2019 10:05:49 GMT 1
Well its just not though is it. Its a player going for the ball, but suddenly the balls not there. There isn't the same momentum as the players clash either as one player is stationary. With Mounie's its 2 players running at each other. Any ref is on high alert in that situation looking for exactly what Mounie did.. stepping over the ball ( which is still there) and going into the opponents leg. Ones likely to get a yellow card and ones likely to get a red card, which is what the ref did. So the reason Mounie's is a red is because the Brighton player is running towards him, but the Leciester one isn't because the Arsenal player is stood still? OK mate.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 14, 2019 20:56:36 GMT 1
Partly yes. ( its the Leicester player who is stood still though ) Like I say, any ref is looking for exactly what Mounie did when theres two players running towards each other like that for a 50/50 ball. Mounie did just what the ref ( and any other ref for that matter ) was watching for. Ones a yellow and ones a red because ones a late kick at a ball that moved a tiny fraction of a second earlier which then connects with a stationary players shin, and the other is going over the top of the ball as he runs into the oncoming players shin. Ones worse than the other, simple as that. Can;t help but think if that challenge was the other way round and their player went over the ball into mounies shin just below his knee, then no one would be disagreeing with me! Oliver had a shocking game that day just for the penalty we didn;t get when Pritchard was dragged down as he was about to put us 2-0 up. But he got the red card right.
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Post by impact on Nov 14, 2019 21:10:26 GMT 1
Partly yes. ( its the Leicester player who is stood still though ) Like I say, any ref is looking for exactly what Mounie did when theres two players running towards each other like that for a 50/50 ball. Mounie did just what the ref ( and any other ref for that matter ) was watching for. Ones a yellow and ones a red because ones a late kick at a ball that moved a tiny fraction of a second earlier which then connects with a stationary players shin, and the other is going over the top of the ball as he runs into the oncoming players shin. Ones worse than the other, simple as that. Can;t help but think if that challenge was the other way round and their player went over the ball into mounies shin just below his knee, then no one would be disagreeing with me! Oliver had a shocking game that day just for the penalty we didn;t get when Pritchard was dragged down as he was about to put us 2-0 up. But he got the red card right. You can literally see the Leicester player going towards the ball. He isn't stood still. And given that he hits the Arsenal player halfway up the leg, after the Arsenal player had played the ball when it was on the floor, I think it's fair to say he went over the ball.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 15, 2019 1:06:00 GMT 1
Sorry yes, my brain fart, it is the Leicester player moving forward.
The ball wasn;t there for him to go over it. He kicks where the ball had been a split second before, but also in that split second the arsenal player's leg has arrived there instead. Its a clumsy late challenge.. yellow card. Can't imagine any ref would give a red for that and if they did it would be extremely harsh.
The Mounie one is different. The balls there all the time for him to kick but he bottles out of the challenge and goes over it, into the opponents leg. Add in both players momentum towards each other and its just a much worse challenge and just the type refs regard as reckless.
One's a yellow or a very harsh red. One's a red or a very lucky yellow.
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Post by rastrick32 on Nov 15, 2019 7:53:33 GMT 1
Sorry yes, my brain fart, it is the Leicester player moving forward. The ball wasn;t there for him to go over it. He kicks where the ball had been a split second before, but also in that split second the arsenal player's leg has arrived there instead. Its a clumsy late challenge.. yellow card. Can't imagine any ref would give a red for that and if they did it would be extremely harsh. The Mounie one is different. The balls there all the time for him to kick but he bottles out of the challenge and goes over it, into the opponents leg. Add in both players momentum towards each other and its just a much worse challenge and just the type refs regard as reckless. One's a yellow or a very harsh red. One's a red or a very lucky yellow. Are you related to Oti?
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Post by Amigo on Nov 15, 2019 9:02:42 GMT 1
Sorry yes, my brain fart, it is the Leicester player moving forward. The ball wasn;t there for him to go over it. He kicks where the ball had been a split second before, but also in that split second the arsenal player's leg has arrived there instead. Its a clumsy late challenge.. yellow card. Can't imagine any ref would give a red for that and if they did it would be extremely harsh. The Mounie one is different. The balls there all the time for him to kick but he bottles out of the challenge and goes over it, into the opponents leg. Add in both players momentum towards each other and its just a much worse challenge and just the type refs regard as reckless. One's a yellow or a very harsh red. One's a red or a very lucky yellow. Your dislike of Mounie has got you so clouded you've got yourself in to Oti levels of stubbornness. Mounie pulls out because he isn't going to win it and probably thinks it's too high you can literally see him pull out of the challenge and it's a dangling leg that barely catches the defender. They were charging towards each other either? Are you sure you've seen it? The screenshot you showed made it look a million times worse than it was. Fans of other clubs thought it was ridiculous at the time as did ours, like I said Oti and Billing spring to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 9:41:38 GMT 1
Sorry yes, my brain fart, it is the Leicester player moving forward. The ball wasn;t there for him to go over it. He kicks where the ball had been a split second before, but also in that split second the arsenal player's leg has arrived there instead. Its a clumsy late challenge.. yellow card. Can't imagine any ref would give a red for that and if they did it would be extremely harsh. The Mounie one is different. The balls there all the time for him to kick but he bottles out of the challenge and goes over it, into the opponents leg. Add in both players momentum towards each other and its just a much worse challenge and just the type refs regard as reckless. One's a yellow or a very harsh red. One's a red or a very lucky yellow. Your dislike of Mounie has got you so clouded you've got yourself in to Oti levels of stubbornness. Mounie pulls out because he isn't going to win it and probably thinks it's too high you can literally see him pull out of the challenge and it's a dangling leg that barely catches the defender. They were charging towards each other either? Are you sure you've seen it? The screenshot you showed made it look a million times worse than it was. Fans of other clubs thought it was ridiculous at the time as did ours, like I said Oti and Billing spring to mind. You can see from this image of his posture a split second after the other one he's obviously pulling back.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 15, 2019 10:30:39 GMT 1
Sorry yes, my brain fart, it is the Leicester player moving forward. The ball wasn;t there for him to go over it. He kicks where the ball had been a split second before, but also in that split second the arsenal player's leg has arrived there instead. Its a clumsy late challenge.. yellow card. Can't imagine any ref would give a red for that and if they did it would be extremely harsh. The Mounie one is different. The balls there all the time for him to kick but he bottles out of the challenge and goes over it, into the opponents leg. Add in both players momentum towards each other and its just a much worse challenge and just the type refs regard as reckless. One's a yellow or a very harsh red. One's a red or a very lucky yellow. Your dislike of Mounie has got you so clouded you've got yourself in to Oti levels of stubbornness. Mounie pulls out because he isn't going to win it and probably thinks it's too high you can literally see him pull out of the challenge and it's a dangling leg that barely catches the defender. They were charging towards each other either? Are you sure you've seen it? The screenshot you showed made it look a million times worse than it was. Fans of other clubs thought it was ridiculous at the time as did ours, like I said Oti and Billing spring to mind. Im being stubborn because i think what Im saying is right.. which Im sure youre doing too,. so not sure why its just me thats gone all Oti. I do dislike Mounie as a player but thats not clouding my view of that decision. He pulls out because he isn't committed to risking getting hurt in a 50/50. He isn;t brave enough and takes the cowardly option of going over both the ball and the Brighton players challenge. The screenshot will make it look a lot worse ( as will the slow mo in the leicester clip) , but that doesn;t really change what im trying to say.. which is ALL refs look for players going over the top of the ball, just like Mounie did, in 50/50 challenges like that. ALL of them and they are very likely to see it as a red card offence in todays game. 20 or 30 years ago you'd probably get a yellow but most refs now would do what Oliver did IMO. I even remember the 'ask the ref' bit the following Monday on Talksport where Dermot Gallagher reviews the weekends decisions..and he just dismissed it out of hand as the correct decision. Fans of other clubs thought it was ridiculous? You sure.. all of them? 2 or 3 of them? 'As did our fans'.. yeah and theyd pretty much all have thought it was a definite red the other way round, so not sure either of those claims has much weight.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 15, 2019 10:38:01 GMT 1
Your dislike of Mounie has got you so clouded you've got yourself in to Oti levels of stubbornness. Mounie pulls out because he isn't going to win it and probably thinks it's too high you can literally see him pull out of the challenge and it's a dangling leg that barely catches the defender. They were charging towards each other either? Are you sure you've seen it? The screenshot you showed made it look a million times worse than it was. Fans of other clubs thought it was ridiculous at the time as did ours, like I said Oti and Billing spring to mind. You can see from this image of his posture a split second after the other one he's obviously pulling back. No ones arguing that he pulled out of the tackle as best he could. The crucial bit as far as the ref in concerned is the posture of the Brighton players standing leg. Look at that and the unnatural angle of his foot on the ground. The angle of his leg is going away from us, yet you can still see his studs! Theres only one thing caused that and its the contact hes just had below his knee.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 11:05:47 GMT 1
You can see from this image of his posture a split second after the other one he's obviously pulling back. No ones arguing that he pulled out of the tackle as best he could. The crucial bit as far as the ref in concerned is the posture of the Brighton players standing leg. Look at that and the unnatural angle of his foot on the ground. The angle of his leg is going away from us, yet you can still see his studs! Theres only one thing caused that and its the contact hes just had below his knee. No one is suggesting there wasn't contact, the intent is what's in debate. As I see it Mounie is going for the ball, as you can see from the first image both players are contesting a bouncing ball, Mounie as you can see from the second image turns his body to the left keeping his legs close and bent in an endeavour to avoid the collision with his opponent. Compare that with the other video where he goes in with a straight leg.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 15, 2019 11:56:11 GMT 1
Mounie is trying to avoid getting hurt. Thats his intent IMO. No way am i saying hes tried to 'do' the brighton player. But he did go over the ball... im not sure how you can argue he didn;t.. in his efforts to avoid getting hurt. And by doing that he endangered the brighton player... again look at the position of his standing leg and foot! If Mounie had gone into the challenge properly ( like the Brighton player did ), we wouldn;t be having this discussion.
The Leicester player didn;t go in with a straight leg.. his leg was swinging as he went to kick the ball.. it was just straight at the point of contact.. because the ball wasn;t there anymore. Its really not the same thing at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 12:55:11 GMT 1
Mounie is trying to avoid getting hurt. Thats his intent IMO. No way am i saying hes tried to 'do' the brighton player. But he did go over the ball... im not sure how you can argue he didn;t.. in his efforts to avoid getting hurt. And by doing that he endangered the brighton player... again look at the position of his standing leg and foot! If Mounie had gone into the challenge properly ( like the Brighton player did ), we wouldn;t be having this discussion. The Leicester player didn;t go in with a straight leg.. his leg was swinging as he went to kick the ball.. it was just straight at the point of contact.. because the ball wasn;t there anymore. Its really not the same thing at all. So the player who catches him straight just under the knee it's ok because "the ball isn't there anymore". The fact that Mounie going for a bouncing ball, the reason his foot is high pulls out and you admit "the best he could" and catches him is not ok.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 15, 2019 15:53:34 GMT 1
The ball bouncing isn;t the reason why his foot went over it. Were going round in circles here. Youre not saying anything thats changing my mind, and Im clearly not for yours either. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 18:09:31 GMT 1
The ball bouncing isn;t the reason why his foot went over it. Were going round in circles here. Youre not saying anything thats changing my mind, and Im clearly not for yours either. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. It's the reason his foot is high, you can see that in the first image. Notice with that video the ball is at ground level when he swings his leg but somehow kicks him just below the knee. We'll agree to disagree.
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