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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 14, 2019 18:11:36 GMT 1
No it didn't. We were still as poor and giving away more free kicks with it The only thing that changed second half was a single moment of brilliance from Grant. The rest of it was dire Rubbish. They were well on top until he came on and after that we were arguably slightly on top. It became more even but that was because they were more wasteful in possession. I can't see how you can say Mounie changed anything in our favour when he was second to every ball and committed about 7 fouls. Unlucky with the one cleared off the line I will admit
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 14, 2019 18:17:52 GMT 1
Rubbish. They were well on top until he came on and after that we were arguably slightly on top. It became more even but that was because they were more wasteful in possession. I can't see how you can say Mounie changed anything in our favour when he was second to every ball and committed about 7 fouls. Unlucky with the one cleared off the line I will admit It wasn't a graceful performance by him (🤣), but we went from the ball coming straight back nearly every time to Mounie winning much more than he lost. Grant's excellent shot got the goal, but that change was instrumental from getting us permanently off the back foot in our own half.
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Post by lorddriffield on Dec 14, 2019 18:19:47 GMT 1
Massive point considering how bad the first half was, firstly because it keeps Wigan 4 points behind us instead of 1, and secondly because for a long time Wigan knocked it around like a decent side, we just couldnt create anything. January is huge for us, because we must add quality, we cant start messing around with players for the future, loan players who arent ready to come straight into the team at full fitness. If Diakhaby, Mbenza and Kongolo arent going to play again we need them sold already, to be confirmed on January 1st. We must use that 20 odd million from player sales in the summer to strengthen regardless of whether they go or not. A couple of loans will NOT cut it, we have players who are giving their all like Koroma who just arent good enough yet to be a regular first team starter. Experience and quality is a must. We have 20 MILLION plus from player sales, who we were told we did NOT need to sell. That money really does need to be invested because at the moment our bench is a joke, the fact the team is picking itself is a joke because there is no-one left to come in. Spend some money because performances like that after coming down from the premier league are unacceptable. The very least we should be doing in every game this season is challenging. Town are the footballing equivalent of the Labour party. A complete metamorphosis is required in the New Year otherwise the abyss beckons.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 14, 2019 18:33:06 GMT 1
"We need to get through to January" most people agree. 4 points from 6 against two rivals at the bottom, meaning just one point for both those teams. I'll take that.
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Post by digs on Dec 14, 2019 18:43:56 GMT 1
Massive point considering how bad the first half was, firstly because it keeps Wigan 4 points behind us instead of 1, and secondly because for a long time Wigan knocked it around like a decent side, we just couldnt create anything. January is huge for us, because we must add quality, we cant start messing around with players for the future, loan players who arent ready to come straight into the team at full fitness. If Diakhaby, Mbenza and Kongolo arent going to play again we need them sold already, to be confirmed on January 1st. We must use that 20 odd million from player sales in the summer to strengthen regardless of whether they go or not. A couple of loans will NOT cut it, we have players who are giving their all like Koroma who just arent good enough yet to be a regular first team starter. Experience and quality is a must. We have 20 MILLION plus from player sales, who we were told we did NOT need to sell. That money really does need to be invested because at the moment our bench is a joke, the fact the team is picking itself is a joke because there is no-one left to come in. Spend some money because performances like that after coming down from the premier league are unacceptable. The very least we should be doing in every game this season is challenging. Town are the footballing equivalent of the Labour party. A complete metamorphosis is required in the New Year otherwise the abyss beckons. That would mean Danny Cowley is Corbyn and needs to go,so really were nothing like the Labour party
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Post by benhomly on Dec 14, 2019 18:45:38 GMT 1
Massive point considering how bad the first half was, firstly because it keeps Wigan 4 points behind us instead of 1, and secondly because for a long time Wigan knocked it around like a decent side, we just couldnt create anything. January is huge for us, because we must add quality, we cant start messing around with players for the future, loan players who arent ready to come straight into the team at full fitness. If Diakhaby, Mbenza and Kongolo arent going to play again we need them sold already, to be confirmed on January 1st. We must use that 20 odd million from player sales in the summer to strengthen regardless of whether they go or not. A couple of loans will NOT cut it, we have players who are giving their all like Koroma who just arent good enough yet to be a regular first team starter. Experience and quality is a must. We have 20 MILLION plus from player sales, who we were told we did NOT need to sell. That money really does need to be invested because at the moment our bench is a joke, the fact the team is picking itself is a joke because there is no-one left to come in. Spend some money because performances like that after coming down from the premier league are unacceptable. The very least we should be doing in every game this season is challenging. Town are the footballing equivalent of the Labour party. A complete metamorphosis is required in the New Year otherwise the abyss beckons. You don’t think it’s significant that the only teams we’ve lost to since the Cowleys arrived then are all in the top 7? I would suggest that even if we added no new players in January (which obviously they will) they’d still slowly keep moving us up that table and we’d comfortably be safe at the end of the season. They’re winners those two, simple as that.
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Dec 14, 2019 19:23:28 GMT 1
Seems Danny gave the lads a bollocking at half time.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 14, 2019 19:48:15 GMT 1
It is difficult to see too many points being gleaned from very ordinary and mostly very dull performances but as has been said a few times we just need to be in a reasonable position points wise when the window opens... Today just another workman like performance with a suicidal goal conceded but a better 2nd half and a good goal scored .
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 14, 2019 19:52:30 GMT 1
Town are the footballing equivalent of the Labour party. A complete metamorphosis is required in the New Year otherwise the abyss beckons. That would mean Danny Cowley is Corbyn and needs to go,so really were nothing like the Labour party Although, Nick is an almost perfect facsimile of Diane Abbott, so..............
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 14, 2019 20:06:02 GMT 1
Terrible performance today, but a magnificent finish from grant and 4 points from two away games in a week so can’t really argue.
Thought we were slow and second to the ball all over the pitch. The goal we conceded summed up our first half performance. So bad I ended up chatting with an old mate at half time and didn’t come back to my seat TIL the 53rd min.
We badly need some of our injured players back though and quickly. Once again our bench didn’t really give DC any options
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 14, 2019 20:09:29 GMT 1
Rubbish. They were well on top until he came on and after that we were arguably slightly on top. It became more even but that was because they were more wasteful in possession. I can't see how you can say Mounie changed anything in our favour when he was second to every ball and committed about 7 fouls. Unlucky with the one cleared off the line I will admit Cowley confirmed that Mounie had been ill and wasn't fit to play but Mounie said he wanted to be involved.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 14, 2019 20:13:19 GMT 1
No pace and drive, no urgency. No bombing forward or central passes forward...oh, so many back passes again. We are better than them and yet let them boss the second half. No men up when they got a free kick or corner....diabolical. 3 shots on target against bottom of the league...pitiful. Needs a huge shake-up and overhaul. Every week its just organisation and hope to get one chance. What about scruff of the neck and going for it against teams that are clearly going down. Got to eat humble pie re Stankovic today...looked composed.
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Post by wigster on Dec 14, 2019 20:31:11 GMT 1
Went today - my thoughts - for what they're worth : Grabara had little to do, but gifted them their goal with an absolute howler
Back 4 - Simpson looked a bit rusty, Stankovic and Schindler both had good games, not a Flo fan but didn't let anybody down today
"Midfield" - Hogg never stopped working and led by example, Bacuna strolled round as though he owned the place, occasionally took the whole Wigan team on then never tried to get the ball back when he inevitably lost it- a poor game, Chalobah - I've defended him in the past but slow in thought and deed - the game totally passed him by. May be rusty but didn't look bothered most of the match.
"Forwards - Koroma kept trying,mainly used in defence (at which he tried manfully but struggled), Kachunga - two defensive tackles in the second half and I think that,literally, that's all he contributed all afternoon other than his back passes. Grant - next to no service but beautiful trademark goal - faced by two defenders, made space, no backlift,top corner. We'd be lost without him. At least Grant always tries to do something positive every time he gets the ball. Chalobah and Kachunga created absolutely nothing.Mounie - his presence forced Wigan back a bit - before he came on the ball kept coming straight back as Grant had no support. Good header cleared off the line.
A flat performance that neither team deserved to win.
Roll on January.
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 14, 2019 20:31:21 GMT 1
No pace and drive, no urgency. No bombing forward or central passes forward...oh, so many back passes again. We are better than them and yet let them boss the second half. No men up when they got a free kick or corner....diabolical. 3 shots on target against bottom of the league...pitiful. Needs a huge shake-up and overhaul. Every week its just organisation and hope to get one chance. What about scruff of the neck and going for it against teams that are clearly going down. Got to eat humble pie re Stankovic today...looked composed. I know we were poor but what do you really expect. Mounie the only recognised sub and he’s been poorly overnight. So we were down to 11 starters all 11 right footers. 4 points away ina week in games we couldn’t afford to lose. We’ve had a lot worse weeks
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Post by griffa on Dec 14, 2019 20:49:12 GMT 1
Quite possibly the worst sub performance I’ve ever seen from Mounie. First 6/7 times he got the ball he gave away a foul. That's cos the ref was a soft git! Things did improve when Mounie came on. Fine margins! - UTT.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 14, 2019 21:10:48 GMT 1
Back on our own patch next Saturday. I’m expecting a performance to lift us all before Christmas.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 14, 2019 21:11:42 GMT 1
Mounie 4 fouls in 10 minutes And fouled a lot more than that himself but not getting them. To see what he's got pulled up for compared to what Windass is got away with beggars belief
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 14, 2019 21:12:40 GMT 1
Get your Christmas list and a crayon and write ‘dictionary’ on it before you send it to Santa. Like he has fucking crayons. He's eaten them all. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 14, 2019 21:16:57 GMT 1
Mounie 4 fouls in 10 minutes And fouled a lot more than that himself but not getting them. To see what he's got pulled up for compared to what Windass is got away with beggars belief Re Mounié. Suggest reading Danny Cowley’s comments on the Town Square App. Speaks volumes about the spirit of Mounié and others today.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 14, 2019 21:18:40 GMT 1
Are you mad, the game totally changed when he came on. No it didn't. We were still as poor and giving away more free kicks with it The only thing that changed second half was a single moment of brilliance from Grant. The rest of it was dire He was getting pulled up for 6 of one, half a dozen of the other challenges, the ref was shit. He gave us a focal point cos up to then we had nothing. The wingers were awful and Grant was looking just like he did last Saturday and Tuesday.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 14, 2019 21:20:10 GMT 1
That would mean Danny Cowley is Corbyn and needs to go,so really were nothing like the Labour party Although, Nick is an almost perfect facsimile of Diane Abbott, so.............. Or Matt Hancock
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 14, 2019 21:24:40 GMT 1
Went today - my thoughts - for what they're worth : Grabara had little to do, but gifted them their goal with an absolute howler Back 4 - Simpson looked a bit rusty, Stankovic and Schindler both had good games, not a Flo fan but didn't let anybody down today "Midfield" - Hogg never stopped working and led by example, Bacuna strolled round as though he owned the place, occasionally took the whole Wigan team on then never tried to get the ball back when he inevitably lost it- a poor game, Chalobah - I've defended him in the past but slow in thought and deed - the game totally passed him by. May be rusty but didn't look bothered most of the match. "Forwards - Koroma kept trying,mainly used in defence (at which he tried manfully but struggled), Kachunga - two defensive tackles in the second half and I think that,literally, that's all he contributed all afternoon other than his back passes. Grant - next to no service but beautiful trademark goal - faced by two defenders, made space, no backlift,top corner. We'd be lost without him. At least Grant always tries to do something positive every time he gets the ball. Chalobah and Kachunga created absolutely nothing.Mounie - his presence forced Wigan back a bit - before he came on the ball kept coming straight back as Grant had no support. Good header cleared off the line. A flat performance that neither team deserved to win. Roll on January. I agree apart from the Bacuna bit, he wasn't perfect but some of his turns and runs were sublime, how that fucker got away with only a yellow on him in the 2nd half was incredible
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 14, 2019 21:32:16 GMT 1
Went today - my thoughts - for what they're worth : Grabara had little to do, but gifted them their goal with an absolute howler Back 4 - Simpson looked a bit rusty, Stankovic and Schindler both had good games, not a Flo fan but didn't let anybody down today "Midfield" - Hogg never stopped working and led by example, Bacuna strolled round as though he owned the place, occasionally took the whole Wigan team on then never tried to get the ball back when he inevitably lost it- a poor game, Chalobah - I've defended him in the past but slow in thought and deed - the game totally passed him by. May be rusty but didn't look bothered most of the match. "Forwards - Koroma kept trying,mainly used in defence (at which he tried manfully but struggled), Kachunga - two defensive tackles in the second half and I think that,literally, that's all he contributed all afternoon other than his back passes. Grant - next to no service but beautiful trademark goal - faced by two defenders, made space, no backlift,top corner. We'd be lost without him. At least Grant always tries to do something positive every time he gets the ball. Chalobah and Kachunga created absolutely nothing.Mounie - his presence forced Wigan back a bit - before he came on the ball kept coming straight back as Grant had no support. Good header cleared off the line. A flat performance that neither team deserved to win. Roll on January. I agree apart from the Bacuna bit, he wasn't perfect but some of his turns and runs were sublime, how that fucker got away with only a yellow on him in the 2nd half was incredible He ponced around, but agree, for large parts he was our only remote threat.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 14, 2019 21:38:20 GMT 1
I agree apart from the Bacuna bit, he wasn't perfect but some of his turns and runs were sublime, how that fucker got away with only a yellow on him in the 2nd half was incredible He ponced around, but agree, for large parts he was our only remote threat. Without Bacuna in the team we’d have been soundly beaten today in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:46:12 GMT 1
Are you mad, the game totally changed when he came on. No it didn't. We were still as poor and giving away more free kicks with it The only thing that changed second half was a single moment of brilliance from Grant. The rest of it was dire Ridiculous, Mounie did exactly what was needed of him, won a load of headers, had an effort cleared off the line from a well drilled corner kick (Mounie circles round to far post, Kachunga drives in blocking his marker)...he was far more effective up front than Grant had been. Cowleys made the changes that won the point today. Half time switching the midfield triangle round so it was Hogg and Bacuna playing further forward with Chalobah deeper evened things up a bit, then moving Grant out wide and Mounie up top swung it to us. Mounie was better than Grant up front, and Grant was better than Koroma going forwards with the ball (this seemed to open Flo up a bit too...I had thought Flo and Koroma were playing a bit flat almost like a double full back. where in contrast there was a much better more vertical line up the field with Kachunga in front of Simpson). Simpson was a bit off today but it’s first 90mins for a while so he gets a pass. Will all be very interesting when Brown, Campbell and O Brien become available again.
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 14, 2019 21:46:31 GMT 1
He ponced around, but agree, for large parts he was our only remote threat. Without Bacuna in the team we’d have been soundly beaten today in my opinion. Don’t think we’d have been soundly beaten but bacuna was the only man trying to break through the lines.
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Post by 28901 on Dec 14, 2019 21:46:53 GMT 1
No pace and drive, no urgency. No bombing forward or central passes forward...oh, so many back passes again. We are better than them and yet let them boss the second half. No men up when they got a free kick or corner....diabolical. 3 shots on target against bottom of the league...pitiful. Needs a huge shake-up and overhaul. Every week its just organisation and hope to get one chance. What about scruff of the neck and going for it against teams that are clearly going down. Got to eat humble pie re Stankovic today...looked composed. Stankovic is cooler than Franz Beckenbauer at his peak. Best player on our books.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:48:54 GMT 1
He ponced around, but agree, for large parts he was our only remote threat. Without Bacuna in the team we’d have been soundly beaten today in my opinion. 4 points out of six both away we would have taken that before hand.some on here reallyover react
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 14, 2019 21:54:30 GMT 1
No it didn't. We were still as poor and giving away more free kicks with it The only thing that changed second half was a single moment of brilliance from Grant. The rest of it was dire Ridiculous, Mounie did exactly what was needed of him, won a load of headers, had an effort cleared off the line from a well drilled corner kick (Mounie circles round to far post, Kachunga drives in blocking his marker)...he was far more effective up front than Grant had been. Cowleys made the changes that won the point today. Half time switching the midfield triangle round so it was Hogg and Bacuna playing further forward with Chalobah deeper evened things up a bit, then moving Grant out wide and Mounie up top swung it to us. Mounie was better than Grant up front, and Grant was better than Koroma going forwards with the ball (this seemed to open Flo up a bit too...I had thought Flo and Koroma were playing a bit flat almost like a double full back. where in contrast there was a much better more vertical line up the field with Kachunga in front of Simpson). Simpson was a bit off today but it’s first 90mins for a while so he gets a pass. Will all be very interesting when Brown, Campbell and O Brien become available again. Our right hand side was appalling though, apart from Simpsons tackling
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:56:35 GMT 1
Ridiculous, Mounie did exactly what was needed of him, won a load of headers, had an effort cleared off the line from a well drilled corner kick (Mounie circles round to far post, Kachunga drives in blocking his marker)...he was far more effective up front than Grant had been. Cowleys made the changes that won the point today. Half time switching the midfield triangle round so it was Hogg and Bacuna playing further forward with Chalobah deeper evened things up a bit, then moving Grant out wide and Mounie up top swung it to us. Mounie was better than Grant up front, and Grant was better than Koroma going forwards with the ball (this seemed to open Flo up a bit too...I had thought Flo and Koroma were playing a bit flat almost like a double full back. where in contrast there was a much better more vertical line up the field with Kachunga in front of Simpson). Simpson was a bit off today but it’s first 90mins for a while so he gets a pass. Will all be very interesting when Brown, Campbell and O Brien become available again. Our right hand side was appalling though, apart from Simpsons tackling Agreed, Kachunga was particularly anonymous today. Simpson did make one or two decent tackles in amongst being quite far off the pace of the game, some very poor decision making from him today. It happens.
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