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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:57:48 GMT 1
Mounie has been ridiculously bad Danny Cowley, “ I was incredibly proud of Steve because he had a sickness bug overnight, (he) wasn’t able to travel with the squad and didn’t train yesterday.
It would have been easy for him to stay in his sick bed and feel sorry for himself, but he didn’t. He was nowhere near right but was willing to put the team before himself.
Credit to him, when he came on, he gave us a point of reference. It allowed us to move Karlan to the left and use Karlan in a different way. From the moment we brought him on, we were the better team.”
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 14, 2019 22:04:49 GMT 1
Mounie has been ridiculously bad Danny Cowley, “ I was incredibly proud of Steve because he had a sickness bug overnight, (he) wasn’t able to travel with the squad and didn’t train yesterday.
It would have been easy for him to stay in his sick bed and feel sorry for himself, but he didn’t. He was nowhere near right but was willing to put the team before himself.
Credit to him, when he came on, he gave us a point of reference. It allowed us to move Karlan to the left and use Karlan in a different way. From the moment we brought him on, we were the better team.” Fair enough, good on him for making himself available
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 14, 2019 22:12:00 GMT 1
Bottom line is 4 points from 2 away games...
Start worrying about performances after we reach enough points to stay here...
Once we get a couple of goals ahead in a game I might start thinking about exactly how we are playing?
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Post by htfcfcfc on Dec 14, 2019 22:22:00 GMT 1
Ridiculous, Mounie did exactly what was needed of him, won a load of headers, had an effort cleared off the line from a well drilled corner kick (Mounie circles round to far post, Kachunga drives in blocking his marker)...he was far more effective up front than Grant had been. Cowleys made the changes that won the point today. Half time switching the midfield triangle round so it was Hogg and Bacuna playing further forward with Chalobah deeper evened things up a bit, then moving Grant out wide and Mounie up top swung it to us. Mounie was better than Grant up front, and Grant was better than Koroma going forwards with the ball (this seemed to open Flo up a bit too...I had thought Flo and Koroma were playing a bit flat almost like a double full back. where in contrast there was a much better more vertical line up the field with Kachunga in front of Simpson). Simpson was a bit off today but it’s first 90mins for a while so he gets a pass. Will all be very interesting when Brown, Campbell and O Brien become available again. Our right hand side was appalling though, apart from Simpsons tackling Which is quite ironic with 11 right footers in the side!
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Post by brickthespecial on Dec 14, 2019 22:22:12 GMT 1
That was an awful performance and made Wigan look like a top 6 side that knocked it around nicely. Grabara's error, but we went back and sideways far too often and that's always likely to happen, we lacked the creativity and desire to have a real go until late on and put them under sustained pressure. Thankfully Grant scored a screamer from nowhere, Mounie's header then cleared off the line but anything more than a point would have been daylight robbery. I thought Koroma struggled on the flank doing too much defending with an ok Hadj in support, Simpson clearly not back to his best yet but certainly shores up the back line. Bacuna grew into the game with some surging runs but thinks he can take the whole opposition on every week and takes it too far. Obviously the bench offers few options to shake things up just at the moment so we take this point, 4 in a few days is a good return but the reality is we're not going to beat many teams with performances like that. A subdued following for most the game - only 1900 I've since read
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Dec 14, 2019 22:34:32 GMT 1
It might have been a crap game, but has to be said that the defence were brilliant, putting their bodies on the line, allowing only two shots on target in two away games.
Wigan is becoming one of my favourite away grounds. Easy to get to, and away. Despite being in a shopping complex, plenty of off street parking, plenty leg room, and last but not least, we do ok there.
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Post by rphyorks on Dec 14, 2019 22:44:22 GMT 1
HIGHLIGHT {singular) from today
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 14, 2019 22:57:44 GMT 1
It might have been a crap game, but has to be said that the defence were brilliant, putting their bodies on the line, allowing only two shots on target in two away games. Wigan is becoming one of my favourite away grounds. Easy to get to, and away. Despite being in a shopping complex, plenty of off street parking, plenty leg room, and last but not least, we do ok there. Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 14, 2019 23:26:31 GMT 1
Bottom line is 4 points from 2 away games... Start worrying about performances after we reach enough points to stay here... Once we get a couple of goals ahead in a game I might start thinking about exactly how we are playing? Exactly. Those who have grumbled about performances at Charlton and Wigan seem to forget that we: had 1 point after 8 games haven’t lost to a team outside the top 7 since Cowley took over have an horrendous injury and unavailability crisis and have had a 3 game week
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 14, 2019 23:37:48 GMT 1
Bottom line is 4 points from 2 away games... Start worrying about performances after we reach enough points to stay here... Once we get a couple of goals ahead in a game I might start thinking about exactly how we are playing? Exactly. Those who have grumbled about performances at Charlton and Wigan seem to forget that we: had 1 point after 8 games haven’t lost to a team outside the top 7 since Cowley took over have an horrendous injury and unavailability crisis and have had a 3 game week have spaffed £200 million in 18 months haven't beaten anyone of note in well over a year one dominant performance in THIRTEEN months...some people are easily pleased.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 23:43:44 GMT 1
4 points from 6 away, good stuff.
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Post by BlueValour on Dec 14, 2019 23:44:08 GMT 1
It might have been a crap game, but has to be said that the defence were brilliant, putting their bodies on the line, allowing only two shots on target in two away games. Wigan is becoming one of my favourite away grounds. Easy to get to, and away. Despite being in a shopping complex, plenty of off street parking, plenty leg room, and last but not least, we do ok there. Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole. If you took a cab why did you need to get in the car park?
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Post by horwichterrier on Dec 14, 2019 23:46:45 GMT 1
First half was pretty dire with Wigan the better side. The less said about Grabara's idea of passing the ball, the better. Unless my eyes deceived me, I thought we had two free kicks in the space of ten minutes where the ball was played into Mounie on the right side of the penalty area. He won the ball and put it on a sixpence on the penalty spot as if it was a training ground routine ready for a town player to put the ball in the back of the net - only problem was that no-one was in position for the finishing touch. Re support, I would have thought we had more than 1900 fans as we just about filled one end and it looks like the stands behind the goals hold more than the mac - the rest looks small yet they supposedly have a bigger capacity.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Dec 14, 2019 23:55:59 GMT 1
It might have been a crap game, but has to be said that the defence were brilliant, putting their bodies on the line, allowing only two shots on target in two away games. Wigan is becoming one of my favourite away grounds. Easy to get to, and away. Despite being in a shopping complex, plenty of off street parking, plenty leg room, and last but not least, we do ok there. Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole. And yet the walk from the train station was only 20 minutes - you would have saved yourself 1 hour 10 minutes and you'd have been in the ground in plenty of time.
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Dec 14, 2019 23:57:56 GMT 1
First half was pretty dire with Wigan the better side. The less said about Grabara's idea of passing the ball, the better. Unless my eyes deceived me, I thought we had two free kicks in the space of ten minutes where the ball was played into Mounie on the right side of the penalty area. He won the ball and put it on a sixpence on the penalty spot as if it was a training ground routine ready for a town player to put the ball in the back of the net - only problem was that no-one was in position for the finishing touch. Re support, I would have thought we had more than 1900 fans as we just about filled one end and it looks like the stands behind the goals hold more than the mac - the rest looks small yet they supposedly have a bigger capacity. There was a massive section at the bottom of the stand netted off... 2k ish looked about right
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Post by horwichterrier on Dec 15, 2019 0:07:15 GMT 1
The DW Stadium is 1.2 miles from Wigan railway stations - exactly the same distance as I walk from where I park when I come over for home matches - also looks like buses run every 10 minutes to the shopping centre. So unless you are disabled, I don't see what your problem is. Even my brother who is in his 70s and does struggle walking, walks nearly a mile from Alder Street to the ground for every home match. I park a little further away so can get fairly quickly to the M62. It might have been a crap game, but has to be said that the defence were brilliant, putting their bodies on the line, allowing only two shots on target in two away games. Wigan is becoming one of my favourite away grounds. Easy to get to, and away. Despite being in a shopping complex, plenty of off street parking, plenty leg room, and last but not least, we do ok there. Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 15, 2019 0:36:02 GMT 1
Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole. And yet the walk from the train station was only 20 minutes - you would have saved yourself 1 hour 10 minutes and you'd have been in the ground in plenty of time. There's a very good reason why he decided to take a cab, rather than walk to the ground.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 0:37:57 GMT 1
Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole. And yet the walk from the train station was only 20 minutes - you would have saved yourself 1 hour 10 minutes and you'd have been in the ground in plenty of time. I was in Revolution bar...the taxi did not turn up. If you can walk from the ground to the station in 20 minutes you are a better man than me because I pounded it back quickly and it took 41 minutes. Not well at the moment...every yard is hard.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Dec 15, 2019 0:41:18 GMT 1
And yet the walk from the train station was only 20 minutes - you would have saved yourself 1 hour 10 minutes and you'd have been in the ground in plenty of time. I was in Revolution bar...the taxi did not turn up. If you can walk from the ground to the station in 20 minutes you are a better man than me because I pounded it back quickly and it took 41 minutes. Not well at the moment...every yard is hard. Left the ground at the end back at the station at 5:15.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 0:42:30 GMT 1
The DW Stadium is 1.2 miles from Wigan railway stations - exactly the same distance as I walk from where I park when I come over for home matches - also looks like buses run every 10 minutes to the shopping centre. So unless you are disabled, I don't see what your problem is. Even my brother who is in his 70s and does struggle walking, walks nearly a mile from Alder Street to the ground for every home match. I park a little further away so can get fairly quickly to the M62. Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole. Did you not feel the biting wind? Its winter....likely to rain and I had left my bag at the Premier Inn...that's 1.5 miles to the North side of the ground. Just a shoddy experience. No public transport to the ground is not good enough.
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Post by stanton1969 on Dec 15, 2019 0:44:43 GMT 1
Exactly. Those who have grumbled about performances at Charlton and Wigan seem to forget that we: had 1 point after 8 games haven’t lost to a team outside the top 7 since Cowley took over have an horrendous injury and unavailability crisis and have had a 3 game week have spaffed £200 million in 18 months haven't beaten anyone of note in well over a year one dominant performance in THIRTEEN months...some people are easily pleased. Some people like to keep going on about the past and not see the positives. Keep moaning. It won't change anything.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 0:45:07 GMT 1
Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole. If you took a cab why did you need to get in the car park? Because taxis don't stop on dual carriageways...drivers might get points. Do you enjoy torturing animals or do you just bed wet?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 15, 2019 0:45:15 GMT 1
Quite possibly the worst ground I have been in. Empty and soulless. Nowhere near town, no transport to it. No double deckers packed with happy fans. Took me 1.5 hours to get a cab and I arrived 17 minutes late to find all the turnstiles shut. It took 10 minutes to get in the car park for all the silly Xmas shoppers. The walk back was like a stroll through a post-apocalyptical nuclear holocaust, canals, dim lighting, barbed wire, boarded up windows, potholes. Trains cancelled and then the one home was clearly built during the war...the first world war and not cleaned internally since then. What a hole. And yet the walk from the train station was only 20 minutes - you would have saved yourself 1 hour 10 minutes and you'd have been in the ground in plenty of time. Less if you walk along the canal towpath.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 0:53:59 GMT 1
have spaffed £200 million in 18 months haven't beaten anyone of note in well over a year one dominant performance in THIRTEEN months...some people are easily pleased. Some people like to keep going on about the past and not see the positives. Keep moaning. It won't change anything. Please list the positives because I am a little stupid. Halfway through the season a former Prem team is just one win above relegation to the 3rd level. A staggeringly awful fall from grace. We just got a point by the skin of our teeth at a bankrupt club who are not only destined for relegation but are clearly one of the worst teams ever to grace this league. We don't score, we don't win, we don't dominate and we have zero players who will carve out a top level career or even be remembered in 10 years. Its not entertaining, its generally negative play, it is frankly hideous. 6 wins in 48....those numbers cannot be polished.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 15, 2019 1:01:40 GMT 1
Will they have time to flog DVDs of that match in the shop for xmas sticking fillers? First away game of the season for me and Id forgotten the game by the time i got home! Appart from Grants screamer and Grabaras fuck up, theres not a lot to say about it. 4 points from 2 away games is good though. Thats all that really matters at the moment.
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Post by stanton1969 on Dec 15, 2019 1:33:27 GMT 1
Some people like to keep going on about the past and not see the positives. Keep moaning. It won't change anything. Please list the positives because I am a little stupid. Halfway through the season a former Prem team is just one win above relegation to the 3rd level. A staggeringly awful fall from grace. We just got a point by the skin of our teeth at a bankrupt club who are not only destined for relegation but are clearly one of the worst teams ever to grace this league. We don't score, we don't win, we don't dominate and we have zero players who will carve out a top level career or even be remembered in 10 years. Its not entertaining, its generally negative play, it is frankly hideous. 6 wins in 48....those numbers cannot be polished. So you ask me to list the positives and then spout a load more negatives? We have acted on the bad situation and employed a management team that is getting better results. Almost instantly. The management team are sorting the squad out, and we know the plan is that won't happen overnight. 3 windows. The stated aim for this season is to stay up. That has been said repeatedly. That is now much more likely than it was after 7 games into the season. So, the numbers can be polished. Our recent results are infinitely better than the 80% that went before. It may not be the most entertaining, but we are doing what needs to be done. Into the bargain, our shot count has gone up, our goals scored has gone up, and the defence is generally far more resilient. I'm pretty sure that no-one involved in the club over the past couple of years has done any damage wilfully. Given we had not occupied the rarified air of the top tier for nearly 50 years, then it is understandable that a lot involved would have had to learn as they were going. No-one has the ability to go back in time and change any of that. But it can be learned from. I'm sure it would be very different if we ever had that opportunity again. At the moment we have the confluence of a lot of injuries and a few bad eggs who the management team (and I agree with this) won't have anywhere near the squad due to their negative influence. Given the past cannot be changed, what do you realistically expect? Strong management team with the right ethos and skills? Done. New Players? January, summer, next January. Get rid of the crap we signed? Happening. A fit, healthy, functioning chairman? Done. New Chief exec? Happening soon. Better results? In case you hadn't noticed, we've been getting them. But hey, it's good to have a good moan and undermine a hard-working, intelligent, ambitious management team by your negativity surrounding things that are either a) historic, or b) will take time to change. You seem to get more than your fair share of attention on here, and it's disappointing that some fans might read your constantly negative comments and start to look at things in the same way. If you don't like it, don't involve yourself......and I'd hazard a guess the Cowleys wouldn't want you anywhere near the stands, given your attitude. We can all moan occasionally in frustration, but you're different - it's any excuse and it's constant. And it's tedious.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Dec 15, 2019 2:02:28 GMT 1
Spot on Stanton.👏
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Post by ambryboy on Dec 15, 2019 3:14:48 GMT 1
Please list the positives because I am a little stupid. Halfway through the season a former Prem team is just one win above relegation to the 3rd level. A staggeringly awful fall from grace. We just got a point by the skin of our teeth at a bankrupt club who are not only destined for relegation but are clearly one of the worst teams ever to grace this league. We don't score, we don't win, we don't dominate and we have zero players who will carve out a top level career or even be remembered in 10 years. Its not entertaining, its generally negative play, it is frankly hideous. 6 wins in 48....those numbers cannot be polished. So you ask me to list the positives and then spout a load more negatives? We have acted on the bad situation and employed a management team that is getting better results. Almost instantly. The management team are sorting the squad out, and we know the plan is that won't happen overnight. 3 windows. The stated aim for this season is to stay up. That has been said repeatedly. That is now much more likely than it was after 7 games into the season. So, the numbers can be polished. Our recent results are infinitely better than the 80% that went before. It may not be the most entertaining, but we are doing what needs to be done. Into the bargain, our shot count has gone up, our goals scored has gone up, and the defence is generally far more resilient. I'm pretty sure that no-one involved in the club over the past couple of years has done any damage wilfully. Given we had not occupied the rarified air of the top tier for nearly 50 years, then it is understandable that a lot involved would have had to learn as they were going. No-one has the ability to go back in time and change any of that. But it can be learned from. I'm sure it would be very different if we ever had that opportunity again. At the moment we have the confluence of a lot of injuries and a few bad eggs who the management team (and I agree with this) won't have anywhere near the squad due to their negative influence. Given the past cannot be changed, what do you realistically expect? Strong management team with the right ethos and skills? Done. New Players? January, summer, next January. Get rid of the crap we signed? Happening. A fit, healthy, functioning chairman? Done. New Chief exec? Happening soon. Better results? In case you hadn't noticed, we've been getting them. But hey, it's good to have a good moan and undermine a hard-working, intelligent, ambitious management team by your negativity surrounding things that are either a) historic, or b) will take time to change. You seem to get more than your fair share of attention on here, and it's disappointing that some fans might read your constantly negative comments and start to look at things in the same way. If you don't like it, don't involve yourself......and I'd hazard a guess the Cowleys wouldn't want you anywhere near the stands, given your attitude. We can all moan occasionally in frustration, but you're different - it's any excuse and it's constant. And it's tedious. Well said Stanton, Oti just loves being a curmudgeon and trying to be controversial. I sometimes wonder why he bothers going as he never seems to enjoy the experience.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Dec 15, 2019 9:10:03 GMT 1
To be fair it must be hard to walk when you have a thick stash of £50 notes in your pocket and a model hanging off your other arm!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 15, 2019 9:12:18 GMT 1
We should re sign Josh Windass a natural goal scorer
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