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Post by greyarea on Dec 23, 2019 3:23:51 GMT 1
Mooy, as shown by his 2 seasons in the premier League with Town and excellent performances for Brighton this year has clearly shown his is a central midfielder who could play for any top 10 premier League side.
Mooy is worth £25 Million and would repay that for any team who brought him because he is a genuinely good person and quality wise you could build a premier League team around him.
Going with how transfers seems to work these days that would be 5 X £5 million a year (minus tax) or 3 years of £8.3mllion over 3 years.
Sell Mooy to Brighton in January would give Huddersfield the control to sort out the squad in the January transfer window.
It would mean not having to move on Kongolo, Mbenza and Diakhaby first. I want most of the money we paid for those players back and am not writing it off.
Kongolo £17.6M, Mbenza £11M, Diakhaby £8M total £36.6 Million. I'll be honest I'd take £5-£10 loss if that gives £25Million available in the summer. Plus a significant wages bill reduction as these players will be high earners.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Dec 23, 2019 4:22:14 GMT 1
Mooy, as shown by his 2 seasons in the premier League with Town and excellent performances for Brighton this year has clearly shown his is a central midfielder who could play for any top 10 premier League side. Mooy is worth £25 Million and would repay that for any team who brought him because he is a genuinely good person and quality wise you could build a premier League team around him. Going with how transfers seems to work these days that would be 5 X £5 million a year (minus tax) or 3 years of £8.3mllion over 3 years. Sell Mooy to Brighton in January would give Huddersfield the control to sort out the squad in the January transfer window. It would mean not having to move on Kongolo, Mbenza and Diakhaby first. I want most of the money we paid for those players back and am not writing it off. Kongolo £17.6M, Mbenza £11M, Diakhaby £8M total £36.6 Million. I'll be honest I'd take £5-£10 loss if that gives £25Million available in the summer. Plus a significant wages bill reduction as these players will be high earners. Somewhat agree here in terms of Mooy stock is high, realistically he won't be back, so cash in while it's high. However, one or two important ingredients you're missing. TG, IM, AD are also on probably high wages, possibly in the top 15-20% of the club. They're not wanting to be here, they're costing the club (hypoethically 100k per week combined, thus until the summer 7months of 4.3333 weeks = 30 weeks of wages that are being wasted = just over 3m. Additionally to that they are probably disrupting the harmony of the squad and thats priceless for the direction we need to go into. Anything above 20m for all 3 I would be happy with. Club takes the loss, and lick our wounds, but ultimately learn from the mistakes. Those 3 should be no where near our club come the end of January.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Dec 23, 2019 5:35:38 GMT 1
Hanging on and hoping for the value back on the likes of Kongolo is not the way to go in my opinion. With the wages they’re on it’s just good money after bad money. Cut ties, get them away from here and learn from it.
We need to dispel them to the archives for when we’re debating worst ever signings, hopefully we can laugh about it by then but I doubt it.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 23, 2019 7:37:23 GMT 1
Anyone who is taking money from our club but doesn’t want to play for us needs to move on sharpish. The transfer fees are irrelevant now, it’s done, get the wages off the bill and get the dickheads as far away from our club as possible.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 23, 2019 8:24:38 GMT 1
Unless we are very lucky, we'll be taking a much bigger hit than that.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 23, 2019 8:29:00 GMT 1
Hanging on and hoping for the value back on the likes of Kongolo is not the way to go in my opinion. With the wages they’re on it’s just good money after bad money. Cut ties, get them away from here and learn from it. We need to dispel them to the archives for when we’re debating worst ever signings, hopefully we can laugh about it by then but I doubt it. Get shut of the. Bad influence. Mbenza Diakhaby Kongolo and Mooy !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 8:38:27 GMT 1
Hanging on and hoping for the value back on the likes of Kongolo is not the way to go in my opinion. With the wages they’re on it’s just good money after bad money. Cut ties, get them away from here and learn from it. We need to dispel them to the archives for when we’re debating worst ever signings, hopefully we can laugh about it by then but I doubt it. Get shut of the. Bad influence. Mbenza Diakhaby Kongolo and Mooy ! Guaranteed bite material there Nick... Shameless troll that you are.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 23, 2019 8:47:37 GMT 1
Get shut of the. Bad influence. Mbenza Diakhaby Kongolo and Mooy ! Guaranteed bite material there Nick... Shameless troll that you are. Why ? We are paying Mooy to play for ano club ! Imo that’s bad message
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Post by impact on Dec 23, 2019 8:54:29 GMT 1
How is it a secret transfer advantage? If we sell our best player then I'd expect us to have money to spend on the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 9:03:07 GMT 1
Guaranteed bite material there Nick... Shameless troll that you are. Why ? We are paying Mooy to play for ano club ! Imo that’s bad message No we're not, no it's not. You said he is a bad influence. Grrrrr!
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Post by PellonTerrier on Dec 23, 2019 9:03:16 GMT 1
Guaranteed bite material there Nick... Shameless troll that you are. Why ? We are paying Mooy to play for ano club ! Imo that’s bad message No we are not, and you know it.
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Post by runner76 on Dec 23, 2019 9:20:54 GMT 1
How is it a secret transfer advantage? If we sell our best player then I'd expect us to have money to spend on the squad. Shhhhhh, don’t tell them your name, Impact!
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Post by ldotm on Dec 23, 2019 9:36:41 GMT 1
Guaranteed bite material there Nick... Shameless troll that you are. Why ? We are paying Mooy to play for ano club ! Imo that’s bad message Fucking muppet
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 23, 2019 9:37:22 GMT 1
Mooy, as shown by his 2 seasons in the premier League with Town and excellent performances for Brighton this year has clearly shown his is a central midfielder who could play for any top 10 premier League side. Mooy is worth £25 Million and would repay that for any team who brought him because he is a genuinely good person and quality wise you could build a premier League team around him. Going with how transfers seems to work these days that would be 5 X £5 million a year (minus tax) or 3 years of £8.3mllion over 3 years. Sell Mooy to Brighton in January would give Huddersfield the control to sort out the squad in the January transfer window. It would mean not having to move on Kongolo, Mbenza and Diakhaby first. I want most of the money we paid for those players back and am not writing it off. Kongolo £17.6M, Mbenza £11M, Diakhaby £8M total £36.6 Million. I'll be honest I'd take £5-£10 loss if that gives £25Million available in the summer. Plus a significant wages bill reduction as these players will be high earners. I don't think that there's any way that Brighton - or anybody else for that matter - would give us that kind of money for Mooy, and certainly not in January. The other problem is that, like all of us, he's getting older. And yes, we'll not get anywhere near the cash you suggest for Kongolo, Mbenza and Diakhaby.
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 23, 2019 9:40:12 GMT 1
Hanging on and hoping for the value back on the likes of Kongolo is not the way to go in my opinion. With the wages they’re on it’s just good money after bad money. Cut ties, get them away from here and learn from it. We need to dispel them to the archives for when we’re debating worst ever signings, hopefully we can laugh about it by then but I doubt it. As I understand it we are still paying instalments for all these three so if we are alleged to have agreed £40m for the 3 of them we may still have to pay £20m so I don’t see the club selling them unless they can at least recover the monies outstanding.
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Post by capitalterrier on Dec 23, 2019 9:40:23 GMT 1
Kongolo 5m Mbenza 1m Diakhaby 2m
Anyone considering paying more than that for IM and AD shouldn't be working in professional football.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 23, 2019 9:43:36 GMT 1
Why ? We are paying Mooy to play for ano club ! Imo that’s bad message Fucking muppet Same to you, we are still paying some of his wages.
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Post by k1man999 on Dec 23, 2019 9:44:41 GMT 1
I'd be surprised to get fees for all these players I suspect most will go on loan to Turkey, France etc with options. If we get all or most wages off the books this time its a good start if they perform in these less competitive leagues then bids may come in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 9:47:10 GMT 1
Same to you, we are still paying some of his wages.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 23, 2019 9:49:03 GMT 1
Unless we are very lucky, we'll be taking a much bigger hit than that that. Delusional post by the OP....we wont get £10 mill for those three and 9.5 of that would be Kongolo. When I first saw Mbenza and Diakhaby I posted that I thought they were fake footballers, like the fella who claimed to be George Weahs nephew. Diakhaby has tricks but without the ball he is one of the worst footballers I have seen. Mbenza could not trap a bag of cement. They can both run like greyhounds though....maybe sell them to Owlerton!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 23, 2019 9:52:25 GMT 1
Unless we are very lucky, we'll be taking a much bigger hit than that that. Delusional post by the OP....we wont get £10 mill for those three and 9.5 of that would be Kongolo. When I first saw Mbenza and Diakhaby I posted that I thought they were fake footballers, like the fella who claimed to be George Weahs nephew. Diakhaby has tricks but without the ball he is one of the worst footballers I have seen. Mbenza could not trap a bag of cement. They can both run like greyhounds though....maybe sell them to Owlerton! CAnt honestly see us getting much for forest gump ? Mbenza maybe 500 k Kongolo Still decent maybe 3 million, thats a massive hit !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 9:53:30 GMT 1
Same to you, we are still paying some of his wages. The sauce he had been consuming yesterday
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 23, 2019 9:59:01 GMT 1
This thread further fuels my understanding of how much of a complete cock up last summer was. Not one but three absolute wastes of space on incredible money a team like us can’t afford that. What a chance in a lifetime blown. Thank god for the cowleys!
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Post by greyarea on Dec 23, 2019 13:14:12 GMT 1
Hanging on and hoping for the value back on the likes of Kongolo is not the way to go in my opinion. With the wages they’re on it’s just good money after bad money. Cut ties, get them away from here and learn from it. We need to dispel them to the archives for when we’re debating worst ever signings, hopefully we can laugh about it by then but I doubt it. Hi, A little bit too much of the red wine, when i posted last night. To clarify: because we are near the limit of our wage&transfer budget we could well be in a situation of having to move Kongolo, Mbenza & Diakhaby on before being able to bring new players in. We know this is going to be difficult due to those 3 players poor performances and attitude. Hence the talk of using the spare loan slots this January. However Mooy, our prize asset, top attitude and all round good bloke is now consistently Brighton's best player. Unfortunately Town probably won't get promoted this season and Mooy deserves to play in the Prem (far to good for the championship). He's out secret advantage as I truly believe we'd get around £20-25Million for him from Brighton, West Ham, Palace, Villa and so on (London centric media are now seeing him play regularly at Brighton), so a first installment of £5-£8Million. The Cowley's would have 3 loans and say £5Million to use in January. It would help rebalance the squad massively. I like everyone else want the unmentionables gone asap, and that might happen in January or might not. Selling Mooy though gives us guaranteed transfer funds.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Dec 23, 2019 13:31:14 GMT 1
Hanging on and hoping for the value back on the likes of Kongolo is not the way to go in my opinion. With the wages they’re on it’s just good money after bad money. Cut ties, get them away from here and learn from it. We need to dispel them to the archives for when we’re debating worst ever signings, hopefully we can laugh about it by then but I doubt it. Hi, A little bit too much of the red wine, when i posted last night. To clarify: because we are near the limit of our wage&transfer budget we could well be in a situation of having to move Kongolo, Mbenza & Diakhaby on before being able to bring new players in. We know this is going to be difficult due to those 3 players poor performances and attitude. Hence the talk of using the spare loan slots this January. However Mooy, our prize asset, top attitude and all round good bloke is now consistently Brighton's best player. Unfortunately Town probably won't get promoted this season and Mooy deserves to play in the Prem (far to good for the championship). He's out secret advantage as I truly believe we'd get around £20-25Million for him from Brighton, West Ham, Palace, Villa and so on (London centric media are now seeing him play regularly at Brighton), so a first installment of £5-£8Million. The Cowley's would have 3 loans and say £5Million to use in January. It would help rebalance the squad massively. I like everyone else want the unmentionables gone asap, and that might happen in January or might not. Selling Mooy though gives us guaranteed transfer funds. That’s really not bad for a drunk post! I wonder how much Nick drinks. Reading back it seems I picked the one thing I disagreed with you on and then replied about that...
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 23, 2019 13:43:17 GMT 1
Must admit, I'd take a £5-10M loss on each of TK, AD & IM to get them off our books.
Can't see us getting a huge profit on Mooy just because of his age. He'll be nearly 30 by the end of this season. I'd be delighted with £20M, but realistically I think we'll get something around what we got for Billing.
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 23, 2019 15:39:00 GMT 1
Benefit of hindsight. TK was superb on loan for us and was deservedly the number 1 priority signing.
Neither Diakhaby nor Mbenza were our first choices for wingers, the first choice was Limbombe who has been even more disastrous for Nantes in a worse league. Diakhaby was second choice, and arrived as a 21 year old, who'd held down a place in a Monaco side that finished 2nd in Ligue 1 the season before, and had Champions League experience.
He filled the remit of a pacey winger that DW wanted and we clearly needed on evidence of the previous season, £10 million with potential to develop him and sell him on for more. He's a second-rate player tactically and off the ball, so naturally found it hard to get to grips in a Wagner side, confidence shot after being dropped as a result, and he's out of the side til Siewert comes in. Has a great couple of games and then gets an injury.
Looked the business in parts this season (has the equal most assists), but is on his way out because Cowley wants a team of fighters. He's a young lad with fragile confidence, and isn't his type of player. Worth the risk but just didn't work out for him.
Mbenza was clearly a panic buy after Stoke paid well over the odds for Ince. IMO this was the only truly incompetent signing, and incredibly bad negotiating from Town. Last year of his contract, had fallen out with the manager at Montpellier. Loan with a £2m fee was sensible and benefited both parties, but agreeing an obligation, rather than option, to buy, and at £11.5m, was absolutely ridiculous.
He had a much better goalscoring record than Diakhaby in France fwiw, but unlike Diakhaby he clearly has an awful attitude. Says a lot that he had problems with managers before he arrived, couldn't even get into Siewert's Championship side, and as far as I remember hasn't even made the bench since the Cowleys arrived. Clearly a panic buy with no due diligence towards why he wanted to leave Montpellier.
Anyroad, there's a fee with Brighton for Mooy which they can activate at any time up to the end of his loan. it was agreed in the summer so will probably be lower value than his current performances suggest it should be. A bit frustrating but that's how these agreements usually go, so no failure on Town's part there IMO.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Dec 23, 2019 15:53:29 GMT 1
I genuinely can't think of a single player we got after promotion that could be considered a good signing.
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 23, 2019 16:07:30 GMT 1
I genuinely can't think of a single player we got after promotion that could be considered a good signing. In the context of the first season only Lossl Zanka Kongolo on loan Mounie Mooy signing permanently In the context of both, I'd consider Lossl and Mooy very good signings. Lossl was the best keeper I've ever seen play for Town (here's a reminder of how good he was- . He gets a bad rap on here because he wanted to stay in the Premier League, which his performances over 2 years definitely merited. Worth noting that he was initially signed at a very low ebb in his career as well.
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Post by bluestripe on Dec 23, 2019 16:32:38 GMT 1
I genuinely can't think of a single player we got after promotion that could be considered a good signing. In the context of the first season only Lossl Zanka Kongolo on loan Mounie Mooy signing permanently In the context of both, I'd consider Lossl and Mooy very good signings. Lossl was the best keeper I've ever seen play for Town (here's a reminder of how good he was- . He gets a bad rap on here because he wanted to stay in the Premier League, which his performances over 2 years definitely merited. Worth noting that he was initially signed at a very low ebb in his career as well. Re your list, think Depoitre had a better 17/18 season than Mounié.
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