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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 22, 2021 22:40:57 GMT 1
So less than a month ago 5 kids were Town fans, since then they have all switched their allegence to other clubs. Interesting! Sounds like an episode of the X Files.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 22, 2021 23:26:46 GMT 1
So less than a month ago 5 kids were Town fans, since then they have all switched their allegence to other clubs. Interesting! Sounds like an episode of the X Files. It’s common my lads footy team , the amount of kids with town tops on training was fantastic to see 2 / 3 years ago not as many now. Don’t know if they’ve all swapped clubs or think the new town kit is shit you just don’t see as many. Saying that my lad is still a town fan but it’s so hard work keeping him interested the club is so meh !!!! and it’s not about winning it’s more about giving hope.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 22, 2021 23:40:00 GMT 1
So less than a month ago 5 kids were Town fans, since then they have all switched their allegence to other clubs. Interesting! If a kid had a choice between supporting Huddersfield or Liverpool then it's obvious who they would choose. We are shit. Have no money and all of our fans are fucking miserable. It's not rocket science is it. My first game my dad took me to watch town vs Exeter and I remember Tim Clarke picking up a backpass. Now our future generations memories are going to be via a dodgy Internet connection on Ifollow. Wake up and smell the coffee. As long as we have pretenders with no ambition in charge we won't appeal to anyone. We can't even get a sponsor FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 5:54:05 GMT 1
Bugger me, Big Ern. I had you pegged as some world weary old boy who had been worn down by many decades of life. Unless your dad took you to your first match in your forties you’re just a whippersnapper. You need to lighten up! If you think sitting 15th in the second tier represents bad times you are one lucky swine. These are pretty much halcyon days!!!
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 23, 2021 18:55:04 GMT 1
Bugger me, Big Ern. I had you pegged as some world weary old boy who had been worn down by many decades of life. Unless your dad took you to your first match in your forties you’re just a whippersnapper. You need to lighten up! If you think sitting 15th in the second tier represents bad times you are one lucky swine. These are pretty much halcyon days!!! I'm almost 40 and the majority of my life the club has been in the lower leagues. I don't demand success, I don't even expect us to push for promotion. I just have a major dislike for how we have gone from being in the most prestigious league in the world to scraping money together to sign Keogh on loan. Ken Davey was absolutely berated on here for taking his loans back in return for the stadium shares yet it seems to be accepted that Dean can take 60 million out of the club and just leave us with the absolute dog shit players we signed while he was in charge. He was at the top and ultimately accountable for the wasteful way we have managed our finances. I don't feel it fair he take every penny back.
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Post by iangreaves on Jan 23, 2021 19:31:12 GMT 1
Bugger me, Big Ern. I had you pegged as some world weary old boy who had been worn down by many decades of life. Unless your dad took you to your first match in your forties you’re just a whippersnapper. You need to lighten up! If you think sitting 15th in the second tier represents bad times you are one lucky swine. These are pretty much halcyon days!!! Ken Davey was absolutely berated on here for taking his loans back in return for the stadium shares yet it seems to be accepted that Dean can take 60 million out of the club and just leave us with the absolute dog shit players we signed while he was in charge. I must admit that hadn't occurred to me but it's difficult to argue with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 19:52:16 GMT 1
Bugger me, Big Ern. I had you pegged as some world weary old boy who had been worn down by many decades of life. Unless your dad took you to your first match in your forties you’re just a whippersnapper. You need to lighten up! If you think sitting 15th in the second tier represents bad times you are one lucky swine. These are pretty much halcyon days!!! I'm almost 40 and the majority of my life the club has been in the lower leagues. I don't demand success, I don't even expect us to push for promotion. I just have a major dislike for how we have gone from being in the most prestigious league in the world to scraping money together to sign Keogh on loan. Ken Davey was absolutely berated on here for taking his loans back in return for the stadium shares yet it seems to be accepted that Dean can take 60 million out of the club and just leave us with the absolute dog shit players we signed while he was in charge. He was at the top and ultimately accountable for the wasteful way we have managed our finances. I don't feel it fair he take every penny back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 20:21:29 GMT 1
Bugger me, Big Ern. I had you pegged as some world weary old boy who had been worn down by many decades of life. Unless your dad took you to your first match in your forties you’re just a whippersnapper. You need to lighten up! If you think sitting 15th in the second tier represents bad times you are one lucky swine. These are pretty much halcyon days!!! I'm almost 40 and the majority of my life the club has been in the lower leagues. I don't demand success, I don't even expect us to push for promotion. I just have a major dislike for how we have gone from being in the most prestigious league in the world to scraping money together to sign Keogh on loan. Ken Davey was absolutely berated on here for taking his loans back in return for the stadium shares yet it seems to be accepted that Dean can take 60 million out of the club and just leave us with the absolute dog shit players we signed while he was in charge. He was at the top and ultimately accountable for the wasteful way we have managed our finances. I don't feel it fair he take every penny back. It’s a point I made back in the summer. Davy didn’t keep a huge training ground complex to rent back to the club either. He kept the shares as collateral and when his loan was repaid he gave them back. DH has cleaned up in comparison.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 23, 2021 20:57:13 GMT 1
My wife said to me the other day , (“ Dean Hoyle would have probably gone down as the biggest legend in the history of the club but now he’s just another old club owner “ ).
He had the choice to take his money back but with it he’s lost the love of SO many fans. , it’s got to have been worth more than millions (MORE) in the bank, even his kids and family must look over their shoulders if they ever visit the ground in the future thinking is this what we really wanted. once town is in your life does it ever leave because something he already has too much of mattered more.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 23, 2021 22:01:55 GMT 1
Made sure he got his hero at home to united... 51m back, 10m more depending on factors we are not aware of, 25% ownership retained, shackles on spending until he is repaid (transfers out of phil’s pocket) plus rent for canal side. Financially ruined us by letting the wage bill and expenditure go way beyond what the club could afford. Good going... forget your hero status now though
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Jan 23, 2021 22:08:41 GMT 1
Made sure he got his hero at home to united... 51m back, 10m more depending on factors we are not aware of, 25% ownership retained, shackles on spending until he is repaid (transfers out of phil’s pocket) plus rent for canal side. Financially ruined us by letting the wage bill and expenditure go way beyond what the club could afford. Good going... forget your hero status now though Sad thing was that he could afford not to take his money back. Entitled to it, but a shame that he couldn't just write it off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 22:31:32 GMT 1
I’m sure it doesn’t matter how much brass a person has, £50m is an unimaginable amount. Of course he is entitled to have it back.
The way he helped whip up a mob to demonise and hound Davy for wanting his money back is what grates me. I hope he regrets those actions now.
The future is Big Phil. The sooner Hoyle is paid off and fades into the memory, albeit some wonderful memories, the better. The squad needed a complete overhaul and so does the boardroom.
It’s a shame but shouldn’t completely overshadow the past decade. At least it hadn’t been dull!
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Post by houllierspal on Jan 24, 2021 11:07:02 GMT 1
Is that the same Ken Davy that Jacko had to go to with his begging bowl, yet he was signing cheques right left and centre for new players for the Giants?
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Post by wigster on Jan 24, 2021 11:45:11 GMT 1
Is that the same Ken Davy that Jacko had to go to with his begging bowl, yet he was signing cheques right left and centre for new players for the Giants? No idea - but I think it's the same one who hasn't asked for his money back from the Giants for the signings he made, and never will, so I've been told.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 24, 2021 12:53:44 GMT 1
I’m sure it doesn’t matter how much brass a person has, £50m is an unimaginable amount. Of course he is entitled to have it back. The way he helped whip up a mob to demonise and hound Davy for wanting his money back is what grates me. I hope he regrets those actions now. The future is Big Phil. The sooner Hoyle is paid off and fades into the memory, albeit some wonderful memories, the better. The squad needed a complete overhaul and so does the boardroom. It’s a shame but shouldn’t completely overshadow the past decade. At least it hadn’t been dull! That’s the trouble with the mega rich, money doesn’t matter but it’s the only thing that matters.
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Post by crux on Jan 24, 2021 12:59:05 GMT 1
I'm almost 40 and the majority of my life the club has been in the lower leagues. I don't demand success, I don't even expect us to push for promotion. I just have a major dislike for how we have gone from being in the most prestigious league in the world to scraping money together to sign Keogh on loan. Ken Davey was absolutely berated on here for taking his loans back in return for the stadium shares yet it seems to be accepted that Dean can take 60 million out of the club and just leave us with the absolute dog shit players we signed while he was in charge. He was at the top and ultimately accountable for the wasteful way we have managed our finances. I don't feel it fair he take every penny back. It’s a point I made back in the summer. Davy didn’t keep a huge training ground complex to rent back to the club either. He kept the shares as collateral and when his loan was repaid he gave them back. DH has cleaned up in comparison. Just to be clear. Ken Davy 'bought' the stadium shares for £2 and then sold them back for £2 million. He didn't give them back. He made a profit out of Town and Dean Hoyle is still likely to make a multimillion pound loss out of Town. However, both previous owners appear to have utterly fucked the club with their final actions. I guess you don't become a 'successful local businesses man' without being ruthless with your own finances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 13:05:39 GMT 1
It’s a point I made back in the summer. Davy didn’t keep a huge training ground complex to rent back to the club either. He kept the shares as collateral and when his loan was repaid he gave them back. DH has cleaned up in comparison. Just to be clear. Ken Davy 'bought' the stadium shares for £2 and then sold them back for £2 million. He didn't give them back. He made a profit out of Town and Dean Hoyle is still likely to make a multimillion pound loss out of Town. However, both previous owners appear to have utterly fucked the club with their final actions. I guess you don't become a 'successful local businesses man' without being ruthless with your own finances. Wrong. Davy took the shares for £2 and ‘sold’ them back for the money he’d spent running Town in the interim. I’m sure Hoyle has lost money, as David Taylor did when he attempted to keep us afloat pre-administration. Club ownership is a mug’s game. Aside from vanity or ego ive no idea why anyone would do it! Thank goodness they do though otherwise we’d be just another Stockport, Bury Aldershot, Wigan etc
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Post by artysid on Jan 24, 2021 14:50:18 GMT 1
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 24, 2021 17:12:13 GMT 1
I’m a fan of Carlos, but to give him and his team new contracts and a decent wedge after only a few months was a mistake and not a unanimously popular decision within. Keep them hungry and reward when achieved. That’s an intruiging statement. Care to divulge a little more as to why it was not a popular decision ‘within’? I’m assuming you mean within the club. May be they have achieved the first element of the incentivised deal?
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 24, 2021 17:39:13 GMT 1
Ken Davey was absolutely berated on here for taking his loans back in return for the stadium shares yet it seems to be accepted that Dean can take 60 million out of the club and just leave us with the absolute dog shit players we signed while he was in charge. I must admit that hadn't occurred to me but it's difficult to argue with. I never gave him dogs. Property is theft.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 24, 2021 19:54:25 GMT 1
We're 14th. Higher than we've finished in every one of the seasons since we were promoted out of League 1 nearly 10 years ago, barring one incredible season where we magically finished 5th. That feels like more than competitive to me? So what are you suggesting? We should have no ambition to get back to the Premier League or at least mount a challenge to get there because of our previous league positions? I'm beginning to think you are either a bit of a knob or a WUM.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 24, 2021 20:04:48 GMT 1
We sold grant for 15 million we lost his huge wages. Why the hell could we not afford to get a striker in January, ward was free and would be on far less wages than Mounie the other striker we sold. I don’t expect a marquee signing but to pretend we can’t afford is bull, unless our assets are paying for the ownership of the club. In which case pathetic. Which striker do you know of which is good enough to make the difference, affordable and his club is willing to let him come? As it happens, I dont think another striker would make that much difference, ths problem on Wednesday seemed to be midfield more than the strikers.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 24, 2021 20:21:39 GMT 1
Ken Davey was absolutely berated on here for taking his loans back in return for the stadium shares yet it seems to be accepted that Dean can take 60 million out of the club and just leave us with the absolute dog shit players we signed while he was in charge. I must admit that hadn't occurred to me but it's difficult to argue with. The difference is that Dean's £60m earnings the club near enough £300m, and a top class training complex that may be rented, but also cannot be sold off to repay future debts like has happened at Bolton etc. Davey, invested very little by comparison and took his money back in exchange for the clubs shares, which he had taken from the club leaving them with no say in what went on, but paying the majority of the Bill's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 20:50:38 GMT 1
Davy took a club in the basement team with 7 players, funded a promotion winning squad then got us into the play-offs in the division above. They both took us up a level.
Does anyone know the current status of the 40% stake? Is it owned by Dean Hoyle, HTAFC or on trust by a third party? I’m genuinely interested as I’ve no idea.
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Post by houllierspal on Jan 24, 2021 21:20:29 GMT 1
Mr X - Dean Hoyle’s investment took us to the Premier League, true we messed up in that second season, but do you honestly think that we would have got there under Davy? Probably still be in L1 or back in L2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 21:34:25 GMT 1
Mr X - Dean Hoyle’s investment took us to the Premier League, true we messed up in that second season, but do you honestly think that we would have got there under Davy? Probably still be in L1 or back in L2. But let's look at that 'investment'. The precise reason we made so many headlines by going up was because of how little we were spending. Weren't we in the bottom 6 in terms of wage bill? It wasn't a calculated gamble to spend big to reach the PL at which point DH could immediately recoup that extra-ordinary outlay. Instead, it was a remarkable piece of luck and managerial skill.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 24, 2021 21:36:58 GMT 1
We sold grant for 15 million we lost his huge wages. Why the hell could we not afford to get a striker in January, ward was free and would be on far less wages than Mounie the other striker we sold. I don’t expect a marquee signing but to pretend we can’t afford is bull, unless our assets are paying for the ownership of the club. In which case pathetic. Which striker do you know of which is good enough to make the difference, affordable and his club is willing to let him come? As it happens, I dont think another striker would make that much difference, ths problem on Wednesday seemed to be midfield more than the strikers. Every position is vital but to not agree that we’ve been light upfront is ignoring the obvious, asking me who , come on people are getting payed vast amounts of money to do this , scouting networks etc. We knew grant and Mounie ( replacement Ward)was leaving in the summer but did absolutely nothing about it as will be the same this Jan. It wouldn’t surprise me in fact it would shock me if we do something in the summer either and PH will blame covid or something else. If you want to believe we are fine upfront then fool you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 21:41:19 GMT 1
Mr X - Dean Hoyle’s investment took us to the Premier League, true we messed up in that second season, but do you honestly think that we would have got there under Davy? Probably still be in L1 or back in L2. Not saying he invested anywhere like the same money or would have achieved anything similar to the success Dean Hoyle brought. I am saying he did oversee a successful period and left in similar circumstances. Hoyle could easily buy off Davy and did so, using his vast wealth and status amongst the fans to get maximum PR out of it whilst belittling Davy. He then used that power to ensure non-disclosure agreements were in place with PH so the terms of the dealings between the top are kept secret. PH continues to take flak whilst DH has the whole club dancing to his tune for the past 18 months and future who knows how long? It’s double standards and downright hypocritical to suggest there’s a vast chasm between the actions of Davy and Hoyle. But it’s in the past, we’ve gone 1 weekend without a match and we’re back to raking over old coals! The best thing we can all do is back PH as he strives to take us forward. UTT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 21:45:06 GMT 1
Davy took a club in the basement team with 7 players, funded a promotion winning squad then got us into the play-offs in the division above. They both took us up a level. Does anyone know the current status of the 40% stake? Is it owned by Dean Hoyle, HTAFC or on trust by a third party? I’m genuinely interested as I’ve no idea. HTAFC. find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479/persons-with-significant-control#Huddersfield Sporting Pride (which is not a Rugby League club) have 20%, HTAFC (ultimately controlled by Phil Hodgkinson) have 40% and Kirklees Council have 40%. There was talk of putting the stadium shares into trust or some 3rd party vehicle to "protect" the stadium from a potentially unscrupulous future HTFC owner, but for whatever reason that never happened and the stadium shareholding continues to be owned by the football club, just the same as the Canalside shareholding is owned by the football club (both of which are ultimately controlled by Phil Hodgkinson).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 21:57:04 GMT 1
Davy took a club in the basement team with 7 players, funded a promotion winning squad then got us into the play-offs in the division above. They both took us up a level. Does anyone know the current status of the 40% stake? Is it owned by Dean Hoyle, HTAFC or on trust by a third party? I’m genuinely interested as I’ve no idea. HTAFC. find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479/persons-with-significant-control#Huddersfield Sporting Pride (which is not a Rugby League club) have 20%, HTAFC (ultimately controlled by Phil Hodgkinson) have 40% and Kirklees Council have 40%. There was talk of putting the stadium shares into trust or some 3rd party vehicle to "protect" the stadium from a potentially unscrupulous future HTFC owner, but for whatever reason that never happened and the stadium shareholding continues to be owned by the football club, just the same as the Canalside shareholding is owned by the football club (both of which are ultimately controlled by Phil Hodgkinson). Great, thanks for that.
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