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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 23, 2020 22:40:58 GMT 1
A lot of people have purchased full season tickets for 20/21. They should be offered a full refund immediately. Is season 2020/2021 not happening? I think the chances of people attending jss in season 20 / 21 are so slim (certainly in the current format) that offer of refund is justified. All our money Is gaining interest for the club. A lot of people have far more need for that money than a football club. Morally its the right thing to offer. If folk don't want to take them up on it then fair do's. Just out of interest when do you think you'll watch your next game at the jss?
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Post by wetherbyterrier1972 on May 23, 2020 23:34:06 GMT 1
Just not sure on PH. Don’t know what it is but there’s something not right
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 23, 2020 23:46:52 GMT 1
I think the suggestion that football can't play in front of crowds again until a vaccine is found is just bollocks.
There's talk of pubs re-opening in July, folk are already visiting parks and the beach, shops will be re-opening in the next couple of months. We may not be able to play in front of capacity crowds for a while, but surely playing in front of reduced crowds, thus creating revenue, shouldn't be too much of a problem in the coming months (with a bit of imagination).
If we need to carry on social distancing, then scrap season tickets for next season and sell a limited number of tickets for each game, all bought before the day of the match. Tell folk to turn up early (no last minute queues) if they want to gain entry.
They could surely come up with some sort of system where all fans could get to see a proportion of the games, for example if we have a 10,000 limit then see one, miss one etc.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2020 0:34:26 GMT 1
The bit where he says the premier league need the pyramid caught my attention. Unfortunately I don’t think they give a toss about the lesser clubs and are that obsessed with the ‘product’ they’ve created, they’d quite happily move forward with an ‘elite league.’ The big clubs and the premier league bosses will be looking out for themselves here so I can’t see the ideas Phil has for passing money down through the pyramid happening. They do though whether they realise it or not. Imagine a prem with no relegation. Most of the clubs would be effectively playing meaningless friendlies all season. Neither the matchday fans or the TV viewers are going to remain interested in watching that very long. But lets not blame prem clubs for clubs down the pyramid paying wages to their players that they simply can't afford. Thats on them.
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Post by shawsie on May 24, 2020 0:43:43 GMT 1
The bit where he says the premier league need the pyramid caught my attention. Unfortunately I don’t think they give a toss about the lesser clubs and are that obsessed with the ‘product’ they’ve created, they’d quite happily move forward with an ‘elite league.’ The big clubs and the premier league bosses will be looking out for themselves here so I can’t see the ideas Phil has for passing money down through the pyramid happening. They do though whether they realise it or not. Imagine a prem with no relegation. Most of the clubs would be effectively playing meaningless friendlies all season. Neither the matchday fans or the TV viewers are going to remain interested in watching that very long. But lets not blame prem clubs for clubs down the pyramid paying wages to their players that they simply can't afford. Thats on them. Am not sure the prem clubs arent guilty of paying too much themselves.....not many make profits despite their huge revenue streams and their model is completely bust if they have to refund broadcasting money home and abroad. Football needs a complete and utter reset - without it we might have 30 to 40 pro clubs left after the devastation which covid has wreaked and alot of those will be struggling. I simply cant understand the clamour to follow the Bundesliga and play behind closed doors.... soulless, joyless and boring imho. Football without supporters is nothing.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 2:35:34 GMT 1
Is season 2020/2021 not happening? I think the chances of people attending jss in season 20 / 21 are so slim (certainly in the current format) that offer of refund is justified. All our money Is gaining interest for the club. A lot of people have far more need for that money than a football club. Morally its the right thing to offer. If folk don't want to take them up on it then fair do's. Just out of interest when do you think you'll watch your next game at the jss? If people have paid for a 2020/2021 season ticket and they don’t think they will be watching games, then they should simply ask for (and will be given) a refund. Whilst there’s a chance that next season goes ahead with fans (and a government that kind of needs a return to normality by August) it would be pretty stupid of the club to automatically refund everyone. Personally I can’t call your last sentence. If no fans are allowed to attend until 2021 then I think the answer for me approaches “never”, and the chances of Hudds Town continuing to exist as a football league club in that case would be increasingly slim. To be honest as an individual I’ve lost my interest and care about what happens to such an extent that I’m not really that bothered what happens. I wouldn’t be “putting in buckets” to help Hudds Town exist (and I’m someone who contributed to raising multiple thousands last time round). I have other time consuming hobbies that have eaten up what I do on a Saturday (and likely going to eat MORE of my time in coming weeks, given I’ve been doing them by myself but have started having conversations about meeting up and doing socially again soon in various groups of two, away from the larger club meets that I suspect will be a couple of months away). What will be will be. I hope it’s some kind of return to normality but I fear football clubs are going to be one of the big collateral damages of this whole cock up. Longer term I don’t really care if Town exists in a 2021/2022 season or not to be honest. 🤷♂️ If they do then likely I’ll be along for a few games, if not...well...we were the lucky ones and got to see our team in the Premier League.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 2:38:44 GMT 1
I think the suggestion that football can't play in front of crowds again until a vaccine is found is just bollocks. There's talk of pubs re-opening in July, folk are already visiting parks and the beach, shops will be re-opening in the next couple of months. We may not be able to play in front of capacity crowds for a while, but surely playing in front of reduced crowds, thus creating revenue, shouldn't be too much of a problem in the coming months (with a bit of imagination). If we need to carry on social distancing, then scrap season tickets for next season and sell a limited number of tickets for each game, all bought before the day of the match. Tell folk to turn up early (no last minute queues) if they want to gain entry. They could surely come up with some sort of system where all fans could get to see a proportion of the games, for example if we have a 10,000 limit then see one, miss one etc. The problem with that option is it very very easily turns into “or don’t bother”. I honestly can’t see a situation where Town are able to play with a reduced capacity. It’s either make all seats available or no seats available. Any in between doesn’t really work.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 2:43:28 GMT 1
They do though whether they realise it or not. Imagine a prem with no relegation. Most of the clubs would be effectively playing meaningless friendlies all season. Neither the matchday fans or the TV viewers are going to remain interested in watching that very long. But lets not blame prem clubs for clubs down the pyramid paying wages to their players that they simply can't afford. Thats on them. Am not sure the prem clubs arent guilty of paying too much themselves.....not many make profits despite their huge revenue streams and their model is completely bust if they have to refund broadcasting money home and abroad. Football needs a complete and utter reset - without it we might have 30 to 40 pro clubs left after the devastation which covid has wreaked and alot of those will be struggling. I simply cant understand the clamour to follow the Bundesliga and play behind closed doors.... soulless, joyless and boring imho. Football without supporters is nothing. What clamour?? There was an intrigue last week for sure...”what does it look like?”. I’ve been part of that intrigue, I watched a game, just as I watched half a K League game the week before, But how many watched a game this weekend?? I didn’t it’s many...I was as interested in watching a Bundesliga game as I was six months ago. Not at all. Behind closed door football is a thing that doesn’t exist and isn’t viable long term...I highly doubt I’d watch more than one fixture involving Town.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 24, 2020 9:28:19 GMT 1
I think the chances of people attending jss in season 20 / 21 are so slim (certainly in the current format) that offer of refund is justified. All our money Is gaining interest for the club. A lot of people have far more need for that money than a football club. Morally its the right thing to offer. If folk don't want to take them up on it then fair do's. Just out of interest when do you think you'll watch your next game at the jss? If people have paid for a 2020/2021 season ticket and they don’t think they will be watching games, then they should simply ask for (and will be given) a refund. Whilst there’s a chance that next season goes ahead with fans (and a government that kind of needs a return to normality by August) it would be pretty stupid of the club to automatically refund everyone. Personally I can’t call your last sentence. If no fans are allowed to attend until 2021 then I think the answer for me approaches “never”, and the chances of Hudds Town continuing to exist as a football league club in that case would be increasingly slim. To be honest as an individual I’ve lost my interest and care about what happens to such an extent that I’m not really that bothered what happens. I wouldn’t be “putting in buckets” to help Hudds Town exist (and I’m someone who contributed to raising multiple thousands last time round). I have other time consuming hobbies that have eaten up what I do on a Saturday (and likely going to eat MORE of my time in coming weeks, given I’ve been doing them by myself but have started having conversations about meeting up and doing socially again soon in various groups of two, away from the larger club meets that I suspect will be a couple of months away). What will be will be. I hope it’s some kind of return to normality but I fear football clubs are going to be one of the big collateral damages of this whole cock up. Longer term I don’t really care if Town exists in a 2021/2022 season or not to be honest. 🤷♂️ If they do then likely I’ll be along for a few games, if not...well...we were the lucky ones and got to see our team in the Premier League. So people should ask and will be given refunds. The onus being on the customer who isn't going to get the service they paid for? Okayyyy. Is it on the town website saying they will be given refunds or are you connected to the inner workings of the club? Secondly you've answered a question about when you think it will come back and answered it by again saying you don't give a shit about town. Thirdly. If you stop going to games does that mean you will have more time to produce those hilarious "pussy" videos, one of which dropped into my inbox earlier in the week? Video gold mate. Thanks to Tim and Mark for forwarding :-)
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Post by Maynardblue on May 24, 2020 9:58:37 GMT 1
I think the chances of people attending jss in season 20 / 21 are so slim (certainly in the current format) that offer of refund is justified. All our money Is gaining interest for the club. A lot of people have far more need for that money than a football club. Morally its the right thing to offer. If folk don't want to take them up on it then fair do's. Just out of interest when do you think you'll watch your next game at the jss? If people have paid for a 2020/2021 season ticket and they don’t think they will be watching games, then they should simply ask for (and will be given) a refund. Whilst there’s a chance that next season goes ahead with fans (and a government that kind of needs a return to normality by August) it would be pretty stupid of the club to automatically refund everyone. Personally I can’t call your last sentence. If no fans are allowed to attend until 2021 then I think the answer for me approaches “never”, and the chances of Hudds Town continuing to exist as a football league club in that case would be increasingly slim. To be honest as an individual I’ve lost my interest and care about what happens to such an extent that I’m not really that bothered what happens. I wouldn’t be “putting in buckets” to help Hudds Town exist (and I’m someone who contributed to raising multiple thousands last time round). I have other time consuming hobbies that have eaten up what I do on a Saturday (and likely going to eat MORE of my time in coming weeks, given I’ve been doing them by myself but have started having conversations about meeting up and doing socially again soon in various groups of two, away from the larger club meets that I suspect will be a couple of months away).What will be will be. I hope it’s some kind of return to normality but I fear football clubs are going to be one of the big collateral damages of this whole cock up. Longer term I don’t really care if Town exists in a 2021/2022 season or not to be honest. 🤷♂️ If they do then likely I’ll be along for a few games, if not...well...we were the lucky ones and got to see our team in the Premier League. You on about dogging??
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 24, 2020 9:59:58 GMT 1
It's not dogs Maynard :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 10:16:25 GMT 1
If people have paid for a 2020/2021 season ticket and they don’t think they will be watching games, then they should simply ask for (and will be given) a refund. Whilst there’s a chance that next season goes ahead with fans (and a government that kind of needs a return to normality by August) it would be pretty stupid of the club to automatically refund everyone. Personally I can’t call your last sentence. If no fans are allowed to attend until 2021 then I think the answer for me approaches “never”, and the chances of Hudds Town continuing to exist as a football league club in that case would be increasingly slim. To be honest as an individual I’ve lost my interest and care about what happens to such an extent that I’m not really that bothered what happens. I wouldn’t be “putting in buckets” to help Hudds Town exist (and I’m someone who contributed to raising multiple thousands last time round). I have other time consuming hobbies that have eaten up what I do on a Saturday (and likely going to eat MORE of my time in coming weeks, given I’ve been doing them by myself but have started having conversations about meeting up and doing socially again soon in various groups of two, away from the larger club meets that I suspect will be a couple of months away). What will be will be. I hope it’s some kind of return to normality but I fear football clubs are going to be one of the big collateral damages of this whole cock up. Longer term I don’t really care if Town exists in a 2021/2022 season or not to be honest. 🤷♂️ If they do then likely I’ll be along for a few games, if not...well...we were the lucky ones and got to see our team in the Premier League. So people should ask and will be given refunds. The onus being on the customer who isn't going to get the service they paid for? Okayyyy. Is it on the town website saying they will be given refunds or are you connected to the inner workings of the club? Secondly you've answered a question about when you think it will come back and answered it by again saying you don't give a shit about town. Thirdly. If you stop going to games does that mean you will have more time to produce those hilarious "pussy" videos, one of which dropped into my inbox earlier in the week? Video gold mate. Thanks to Tim and Mark for forwarding :-) 1. Are you connected to the inner workings of the club and the EFL? What’s suggesting next sesson doesn’t go ahead?? Yes...it IS on the Town website that 100% refunds on season tickets are available to anyone who requests one before the first game of the season. 2. I answered your question by saying I can’t call it. And then I added something extra to explain where I’m at in regards to football at the moment....is adding info not directly related to your questions no longer allowed?! 3. I’ve absolutely no idea what you’re talking about sorry?? Please PM further details. I don’t have a cat.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 24, 2020 10:18:42 GMT 1
Can't I post it on here? It's groovy.
Sorry if it says that on the website. If so I stand corrected. Though doesn't go far enough imo
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Post by rastrick32 on May 24, 2020 10:20:43 GMT 1
So people should ask and will be given refunds. The onus being on the customer who isn't going to get the service they paid for? Okayyyy. Is it on the town website saying they will be given refunds or are you connected to the inner workings of the club? Secondly you've answered a question about when you think it will come back and answered it by again saying you don't give a shit about town. Thirdly. If you stop going to games does that mean you will have more time to produce those hilarious "pussy" videos, one of which dropped into my inbox earlier in the week? Video gold mate. Thanks to Tim and Mark for forwarding :-) 1. Are you connected to the inner workings of the club and the EFL? What’s suggesting next sesson doesn’t go ahead?? Yes...it IS on the Town website that 100% refunds on season tickets are available to anyone who requests one before the first game of the season. 2. I answered your question by saying I can’t call it. And then I added something extra to explain where I’m at in regards to football at the moment....is adding info not directly related to your questions no longer allowed?! 3. I’ve absolutely no idea what you’re talking about sorry?? Please PM further details. I don’t have a cat. So, it's not dogs or pussies. I'm intrigued now.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 10:22:09 GMT 1
Can't I post it on here? It's groovy. Sorry if it says that on the website. If so I stand corrected. Though doesn't go far enough imo Well I’ve seriously no idea what you’re talking about...so maybe you could provide some details?? Making a full and total refund available doesn’t go far enough, what do you expect??
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 24, 2020 10:23:31 GMT 1
Yeah I'll happily post it mate
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 10:24:13 GMT 1
1. Are you connected to the inner workings of the club and the EFL? What’s suggesting next sesson doesn’t go ahead?? Yes...it IS on the Town website that 100% refunds on season tickets are available to anyone who requests one before the first game of the season. 2. I answered your question by saying I can’t call it. And then I added something extra to explain where I’m at in regards to football at the moment....is adding info not directly related to your questions no longer allowed?! 3. I’ve absolutely no idea what you’re talking about sorry?? Please PM further details. I don’t have a cat. So, it's not dogs or pussies. I'm intrigued now. Join the club 🤷♂️
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 10:26:37 GMT 1
Yeah I'll happily post it mate Please do...what is “it” specifically??
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 24, 2020 10:29:50 GMT 1
Don't be coy.. Pussy pop is quality
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 10:33:33 GMT 1
If people have paid for a 2020/2021 season ticket and they don’t think they will be watching games, then they should simply ask for (and will be given) a refund. Whilst there’s a chance that next season goes ahead with fans (and a government that kind of needs a return to normality by August) it would be pretty stupid of the club to automatically refund everyone. Personally I can’t call your last sentence. If no fans are allowed to attend until 2021 then I think the answer for me approaches “never”, and the chances of Hudds Town continuing to exist as a football league club in that case would be increasingly slim. To be honest as an individual I’ve lost my interest and care about what happens to such an extent that I’m not really that bothered what happens. I wouldn’t be “putting in buckets” to help Hudds Town exist (and I’m someone who contributed to raising multiple thousands last time round). I have other time consuming hobbies that have eaten up what I do on a Saturday (and likely going to eat MORE of my time in coming weeks, given I’ve been doing them by myself but have started having conversations about meeting up and doing socially again soon in various groups of two, away from the larger club meets that I suspect will be a couple of months away).What will be will be. I hope it’s some kind of return to normality but I fear football clubs are going to be one of the big collateral damages of this whole cock up. Longer term I don’t really care if Town exists in a 2021/2022 season or not to be honest. 🤷♂️ If they do then likely I’ll be along for a few games, if not...well...we were the lucky ones and got to see our team in the Premier League. You on about dogging?? Well I did run up to Scammonden Dam yesterday! 🤷♂️
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Post by shawsie on May 24, 2020 10:35:35 GMT 1
Am not sure the prem clubs arent guilty of paying too much themselves.....not many make profits despite their huge revenue streams and their model is completely bust if they have to refund broadcasting money home and abroad. Football needs a complete and utter reset - without it we might have 30 to 40 pro clubs left after the devastation which covid has wreaked and alot of those will be struggling. I simply cant understand the clamour to follow the Bundesliga and play behind closed doors.... soulless, joyless and boring imho. Football without supporters is nothing. What clamour?? There was an intrigue last week for sure...”what does it look like?”. I’ve been part of that intrigue, I watched a game, just as I watched half a K League game the week before, But how many watched a game this weekend?? I didn’t it’s many...I was as interested in watching a Bundesliga game as I was six months ago. Not at all. Behind closed door football is a thing that doesn’t exist and isn’t viable long term...I highly doubt I’d watch more than one fixture involving Town. The media and football bosses are desperate for folks to love the Bundesliga behind closed doors model so we can follow suit. Make no mistake the sh1t is going to hit the fan soon - the broadcasters both home and abroad want compensating for their inability to show good product and even the big boys are concerned right now. Clubs are burning cash like crazy with little income and if they cant complete the season there will be huge problems. The fact that league 2 have said that's it we are done and the rest havent says it all.....fiddling whilst all around them is going up in smoke.
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Post by yappledapple on May 24, 2020 10:51:26 GMT 1
Followed that link and read some of his professional journalist musings (see even you had a go!); enjoyable read. Take it, from a footballing perspective, you’ve had many ‘discussions ‘ 😉
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Post by townrwe on May 24, 2020 12:21:03 GMT 1
Is season 2020/2021 not happening? I think the chances of people attending jss in season 20 / 21 are so slim (certainly in the current format) that offer of refund is justified. All our money Is gaining interest for the club. A lot of people have far more need for that money than a football club. Morally its the right thing to offer. If folk don't want to take them up on it then fair do's. Just out of interest when do you think you'll watch your next game at the jss? We will have a vaccine of sorts by September. Even if it only means that symptoms will be milder than without rather than offering full immunity As soon as that is rolled out then people can return to "normal" life. If we manage to limit it impact to a bad cold or mild flu then we can get back to watching football. Immunity will build the more it spreads as a mild illness. The important thing is that everyone should be vaccinated. I think it should be mandatory without a medical exemption and be given a booster 6 months later and then yearly until we know its gone.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2020 12:30:44 GMT 1
Playing behind closed doors is just a way of getting closure on this season through footballing methods. Certainly shouldn;t start next season without fans IMO
If they drag this on then so many clubs are going to fold. Its so tragic and so unnecessary.. about 250 deaths under 60 with no known underlying health issues. If youre vulnerable, just don't go to the game.
More of the fabric of our society being chucked under a bus, more jobs lost, dreams ended and just adds to the whole 'chopping your arm off to stop your finger hurting' lunacy that has overtaken the whole country IMO.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 24, 2020 12:32:29 GMT 1
Newsnetworks now leaking government secrets. Let's revisit this at Xmas eh?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 12:34:09 GMT 1
I think the chances of people attending jss in season 20 / 21 are so slim (certainly in the current format) that offer of refund is justified. All our money Is gaining interest for the club. A lot of people have far more need for that money than a football club. Morally its the right thing to offer. If folk don't want to take them up on it then fair do's. Just out of interest when do you think you'll watch your next game at the jss? We will have a vaccine of sorts by September. Even if it only means that symptoms will be milder than without rather than offering full immunity As soon as that is rolled out then people can return to "normal" life. If we manage to limit it impact to a bad cold or mild flu then we can get back to watching football. Immunity will build the more it spreads as a mild illness. The important thing is that everyone should be vaccinated. I think it should be mandatory without a medical exemption and be given a booster 6 months later and then yearly until we know its gone. It would be a waste of time and money and valuable resources to vaccinate EVERYONE surely?? Would make much more sense just to push out a vaccine (if a successful one can EVER be formulated) in line with the current flu vaccine regime wouldn't it, that way vulnerable people are protected and the vast majority can get on with building up their natural immunity over coming years, assuming this can't ever be 100% eradicated from the planet. The only tangible difference between this and flu is we don't have a workable vaccine...and there's not a big call to vaccinate perfectly healthy 20 year olds from flu??
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Post by billy143 on May 24, 2020 12:50:31 GMT 1
PH said he doesn't agree that the government should bail out football clubs, but Town have furloughed non playing staff, taking advantage of the government scheme, and from June 1 will no longer be topping up the extra 20%.
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Post by yappledapple on May 24, 2020 13:18:19 GMT 1
PH said he doesn't agree that the government should bail out football clubs, but Town have furloughed non playing staff, taking advantage of the government scheme, and from June 1 will no longer be topping up the extra 20%. And - is that you just making a statement or a criticism? There can’t be many Championship clubs, whom, very quietly, have taken advantage of the offered furlough scheme; Town aren’t any different, excepting we have the parachute payment bonus to help us through these turbulent times. Additionally, Town were very up front with their staff that 100% pay via them topping up was only going to happen for two months so the loss of the 20% hasn’t come as a surprise to the staff that this affected.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 24, 2020 13:53:01 GMT 1
I’m pleased that Town used the furlough scheme - soon they may be asking fans to make financial sacrifice to help them out.
They’ll get a far more receptive ear if the club shows it is and has done everything it possibly can to save money and is only pulling on the fans heart strings as a last resort
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