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Post by dugnet on May 25, 2020 12:59:10 GMT 1
What PH said is absolutely correct, it is absolutely baffling that this debate is not being had. The press seem to be shying away from it, I don't understand why, and banging on about finishing the season and rhetoric about integrity. It's essentially the last day of the season today. In normal circumstances we would be looking forward to next season but no one is even suggesting how that may work. The structure, finance and what will be permissible all seem to be ignored. I know this season hasn't concluded but surely you need to have a plan? The Euros are said to happen next year so there is a hard stop. If fans can't come and watch games, initially, what's the plan. PH had a rocky start to his tenure as owner but since the appointment of the Cowleys has been far more impressive. More power to him for sticking his head above the parapet. It's also sensible that he wrote to those concerned first before going public. Covid 19 has shown how "week to week" football really is. Something will have to change. I do agree with you. However, days ago people were crying like little babies that football shouldn’t even be discussing how to plan for finishing THIS season one way or the other...as there were “more important things to think about” (not sure what involvement the corridors of footballing power have in researching for virus vaccines or coming up with schemes to protect care home residents though?). One week “we can’t be talking about the football that needs to be played now”...the next week, “why isn’t next season being publicly discussed and reported on”. Seems like a nonsense and just an excuse to lay into football. Of course they’ll be thinking about next season, but it’s just not the most important thing to worry about at the moment. It’s akin to government previously saying the message was “stay at home”....the media clamouring for details of an exit strategy....government saying, “it’ll confuse people, the message is stay at home”...then producing a clear exit strategy and saying when the first steps will happen, to be greeted with idiotic confusion by the media...”you’ve said I can go out on Monday, does that mean I can go out now...it’s all too confusing, why did you release this strategy”!! To start to release tentative thoughts about next season NOW would just send the media into an unwarranted tizz, far better to focus on getting this season up and running first. The EFL is not a massive organisation, they have to prioritise where their efforts lay. (And also...why do football club owners “send letters to all the other clubs”...what year is it.?” I take the point completely, and as any business has to football needs to look forward to what Covid means for them. There's a lot to think about across everything, and people will continue to die - it's a harsh reality. For me football seems to have taken a view that it has this massive importance to the fabric of society. I am not sure that is actually accurate. As a mate said to me last week; "irrespective of when teams can play, this situation isn't going to bring more fans in, you're only likely to lose them". The first priority has to be safety, although I am not sure we have a balance between what is sensible and realising the on going lockdown is stacking up other issues by the day. It's right to ask the question and provoke the debate. As I said originally I don't understand why the longer term view isn't being discussed? Surely the impact of losing 46 rounds of game revenue is more important than mitigating for the loss of 9 rounds of games? It is a fact that most EFL clubs cannot survive without revenue generated by match day and sponsorship (these revenues will be hit) so surely there has to be a plan? The point about the pyramid is also valid. Players have been the recipients of the money in the game. That's market forces and I don't blame them (I have an issue with how much money leaves the game to agents and hangers on) but the market is changing. Do they want what will still be well paid job, or have no opportunity to earn a living for the game? There's millions of people who will be in a similar, if not worse, position. Football is a business yes, but with any business it is fundamental that you understand your customers. I think many in the game think we will return to normal and continue. I don't think that's happening, and it needs addressing. |
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Post by yappledapple on May 25, 2020 14:03:36 GMT 1
PH’s comments and interview all over TalkSport today.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 15:55:11 GMT 1
as i said erlier he has spoke with candour and also straight to the point.well done mr chairman and I wish you the club all the best because its going to be a difficult time |
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Post by leroy212 on May 25, 2020 15:58:26 GMT 1
The premier League is in its own little world, and really has no interest in what is happening away from it. They won't care if teams out of business as long as they ok.
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Post by shawsie on May 25, 2020 16:04:51 GMT 1
PH is spot on 100%.....football could be goosed inside a few weeks.
I can only speak for myself but havent missed it one bit......have I missed the pub, the mates, the catch ups, the acknowledging those who sit all around us - more than I ever thought I would, but if we cant go to watch either there at the stadium or in pubs with pals then income will drop off a cliff for most and the wages have to drop or its bust for many.
I cant see the big boys helping out too much either......if they wanted to they would have surely offered options before now.
Difficult times.
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Post by leroy212 on May 25, 2020 16:11:48 GMT 1
PH is spot on 100%.....football could be goosed inside a few weeks. I can only speak for myself but havent missed it one bit......have I missed the pub, the mates, the catch ups, the acknowledging those who sit all around us - more than I ever thought I would, but if we cant go to watch either there at the stadium or in pubs with pals then income will drop off a cliff for most and the wages have to drop or its bust for many. I cant see the big boys helping out too much either......if they wanted to they would have surely offered options before now. Difficult times. I agree strangely I've not missed it and not overly bothered about the rest of this season |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 17:04:13 GMT 1
PH is spot on 100%.....football could be goosed inside a few weeks. I can only speak for myself but havent missed it one bit......have I missed the pub, the mates, the catch ups, the acknowledging those who sit all around us - more than I ever thought I would, but if we cant go to watch either there at the stadium or in pubs with pals then income will drop off a cliff for most and the wages have to drop or its bust for many. I cant see the big boys helping out too much either......if they wanted to they would have surely offered options before now. Difficult times. Indeed. As Dugnet wrote above, crowds aren’t going to go UP off the back of this, they’re only going to go down if they exist at all. Even if 2020/21 kicked off as scheduled in August with full and complete access for fans, you can absolutely guarantee that Towns crowds would be down significantly. PH has got a massive job on his hands if Hudds Town are to simply survive this next 12 months to few years, don’t envy him one bit - thankfully he does have some experience of football to call on, and I’m sure he’ll have the ear of Dean also for support if required. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 20:32:27 GMT 1
PH is spot on 100%.....football could be goosed inside a few weeks. I can only speak for myself but havent missed it one bit......have I missed the pub, the mates, the catch ups, the acknowledging those who sit all around us - more than I ever thought I would, but if we cant go to watch either there at the stadium or in pubs with pals then income will drop off a cliff for most and the wages have to drop or its bust for many. I cant see the big boys helping out too much either......if they wanted to they would have surely offered options before now. Difficult times. Indeed. As Dugnet wrote above, crowds aren’t going to go UP off the back of this, they’re only going to go down if they exist at all. Even if 2020/21 kicked off as scheduled in August with full and complete access for fans, you can absolutely guarantee that Towns crowds would be down significantly. PH has got a massive job on his hands if Hudds Town are to simply survive this next 12 months to few years, don’t envy him one bit - thankfully he does have some experience of football to call on, and I’m sure he’ll have the ear of Dean also for support if required. as you say I don't envy him one bit butwe are going to have to get through this as will other clubs but a lack of direction is missing with ntoo much focus on finishing this season and as phill says ignoring the bigger pitchure |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on May 25, 2020 20:52:26 GMT 1
Huddersfield town leading the way for the future survival of football as we know it today which includes our own wonderful football club.
Very interesting to hear phil making his views clear on talk sport.
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Post by brodie81 on May 26, 2020 4:59:30 GMT 1
I think they could have pushed Phil what town [his club) would be prepared to do. As much as we will look at the money league to do something I imagine lower clubs look at as to help, are we prepared to share ours greedy league money?  ? I’m glad he’s said this and I think ...believe he’s concerned for the football pyramid. We must be ok!!! I don’t think He’s saying this in a selfish way. |
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Post by tepidterrier on May 26, 2020 12:12:53 GMT 1
Very glad that we've got a chairman who cares about the state of the game as a whole, particularly at lower levels. This crisis has exposed the gross self interest and hypocrisy at the top level of the game, and I'm glad he's on the right side of the issue here when it would've been very easy not to be.
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Post by Mav on May 26, 2020 12:18:29 GMT 1
PH is spot on 100%.....football could be goosed inside a few weeks. I can only speak for myself but havent missed it one bit......have I missed the pub, the mates, the catch ups, the acknowledging those who sit all around us - more than I ever thought I would, but if we cant go to watch either there at the stadium or in pubs with pals then income will drop off a cliff for most and the wages have to drop or its bust for many. I cant see the big boys helping out too much either......if they wanted to they would have surely offered options before now. Difficult times. Good post Shawsie .... I’d go one step further and say I’ve even gone off footie a bit. It’s the greed that does me. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 26, 2020 17:33:55 GMT 1
I must admit, for all that I've considered wrong about how football & in particular the PL goes about its business, it's shocked me that it's taken something on such a scale to provide a long overdue correction.
I hope that alongside the monetary correction, there's also a massive change in how much smoke gets blown up the backsides of some of these relatively standard pro's...
Hopefully the agents will take a hit as well - the Shyster element that is, I'm sure they can't all be arseholes?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 26, 2020 17:42:40 GMT 1
The absolutely insane money that players at the top end of the game “earn” was superbly highlighted for me the other week when the news featured the break in at the house of Dele Ali.
As the big wooden gates at the end of his drive opened you could immediately see a top of the range Range Rover. Then, seconds later, Ali drives out in a top of the range Bentley.
I’m not picking on him particularly but he’s 24 years old for gods sake.
If this virus ends up reducing this quite amazing level of money at the top end of the game then this can only be a good thing surely.
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Post by sabailand on May 26, 2020 18:37:04 GMT 1
The absolutely insane money that players at the top end of the game “earn” was superbly highlighted for me the other week when the news featured the break in at the house of Dele Ali. As the big wooden gates at the end of his drive opened you could immediately see a top of the range Range Rover. Then, seconds later, Ali drives out in a top of the range Bentley. I’m not picking on him particularly but he’s 24 years old for gods sake. If this virus ends up reducing this quite amazing level of money at the top end of the game then this can only be a good thing surely. Of course nobody wishes this on anyone, and just because a person is well off should never excuse them from sympathy, its the fact some footballers act like utter c***s that often make some feel little less angry about their plight, a bit more humility would go a long way in some cases. Not too long ago i saw a video with Deli Ali and someone else (cant remember who it was) berating the reception of an hotel they were staying giving it the.. `Do you know who i am` etc etc, you know the sort of thing, it was one of those instances where if someone had smacked him in the mouth you`d have felt it was fully justified. Most footballers aren`t like this but some are, and for some this virus might focus minds especially if it effects income. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 18:41:32 GMT 1
Very glad that we've got a chairman who cares about the state of the game as a whole, particularly at lower levels. This crisis has exposed the gross self interest and hypocrisy at the top level of the game, and I'm glad he's on the right side of the issue here when it would've been very easy not to be. well said great post |
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Post by bluesandtwos on May 26, 2020 18:55:46 GMT 1
PH is spot on 100%.....football could be goosed inside a few weeks. I can only speak for myself but havent missed it one bit......have I missed the pub, the mates, the catch ups, the acknowledging those who sit all around us - more than I ever thought I would, but if we cant go to watch either there at the stadium or in pubs with pals then income will drop off a cliff for most and the wages have to drop or its bust for many. I cant see the big boys helping out too much either......if they wanted to they would have surely offered options before now. Difficult times. I agree strangely I've not missed it and not overly bothered about the rest of this season I feel the world is just very different in lockdown. I love watching Town, roller coaster though it is, but when everything is so strange it does not feel like the summer break when you know in a couple of months it will all start up again, transfers, pre-season, that buzz getting near the first game. This is just unprecedented, and it is hard to know quite where football fits in, but people in this country have been going to watch their club for over a century so it is important, but, As PH said, we do need the financing sorted out. To think football struggled through two world wars and still survived but one pandemic could see it decimated. This just shows what a mess it is. When the PL talks about a European league it is just about TV revenue not about fans watching their club. The money from global TV rights and gambling have stolen the game we love. The one thing which gives me hope is teams which have reinvented themselves like AFC Wimbledon and FC United. Fans can rebuild what the money grabbers destroy. We will see how this all rolls out in the end but I do think football, even in a different format, will survive. I for one will still be watching 11 blokes kicking a ball about, or women. |
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Post by faffa on May 26, 2020 23:06:23 GMT 1
I agree strangely I've not missed it and not overly bothered about the rest of this season I feel the world is just very different in lockdown. I love watching Town, roller coaster though it is, but when everything is so strange it does not feel like the summer break when you know in a couple of months it will all start up again, transfers, pre-season, that buzz getting near the first game. This is just unprecedented, and it is hard to know quite where football fits in, but people in this country have been going to watch their club for over a century so it is important, but, As PH said, we do need the financing sorted out. To think football struggled through two world wars and still survived but one pandemic could see it decimated. This just shows what a mess it is. When the PL talks about a European league it is just about TV revenue not about fans watching their club. The money from global TV rights and gambling have stolen the game we love. The one thing which gives me hope is teams which have reinvented themselves like AFC Wimbledon and FC United. Fans can rebuild what the money grabbers destroy. We will see how this all rolls out in the end but I do think football, even in a different format, will survive. I for one will still be watching 11 blokes kicking a ball about, or women. Mate might need to rephrase the last line. Not sure you are allowed to that anymore. Definitely frowned upon 🤣🤣 |
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Post by bluesandtwos on May 28, 2020 21:37:32 GMT 1
I feel the world is just very different in lockdown. I love watching Town, roller coaster though it is, but when everything is so strange it does not feel like the summer break when you know in a couple of months it will all start up again, transfers, pre-season, that buzz getting near the first game. This is just unprecedented, and it is hard to know quite where football fits in, but people in this country have been going to watch their club for over a century so it is important, but, As PH said, we do need the financing sorted out. To think football struggled through two world wars and still survived but one pandemic could see it decimated. This just shows what a mess it is. When the PL talks about a European league it is just about TV revenue not about fans watching their club. The money from global TV rights and gambling have stolen the game we love. The one thing which gives me hope is teams which have reinvented themselves like AFC Wimbledon and FC United. Fans can rebuild what the money grabbers destroy. We will see how this all rolls out in the end but I do think football, even in a different format, will survive. I for one will still be watching 11 blokes kicking a ball about, or women. Mate might need to rephrase the last line. Not sure you are allowed to that anymore. Definitely frowned upon 🤣🤣 Yea, see what I did there. God will judge me. |
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