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Post by frankslegs on May 30, 2020 9:49:56 GMT 1
He was a guest in the White Rose club a few years back.Hadnt even prepped himself with current town squad,league position etc.Just talked about himself and gave Rambo an excruciating time .Tosser.
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Post by Mav on May 30, 2020 10:15:09 GMT 1
Let's not let this weird underlying hatred of scousers on this forum get in the way of commemorating a horrific event. It would be nice if Victimpool commemorated it properly too. Hillsborough Hillsborough Hillsborough.... fair enough, a tragedy but so was Heysel .... very little from Liverpool. Strange that.
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Post by digs on May 30, 2020 10:25:34 GMT 1
Let's not let this weird underlying hatred of scousers on this forum get in the way of commemorating a horrific event. It would be nice if Victimpool commemorated it properly too. Hillsborough Hillsborough Hillsborough.... fair enough, a tragedy but so was Heysel .... very little from Liverpool. Strange that. Liverpool commemorate it every year
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 30, 2020 11:58:45 GMT 1
I only clicked on thr Gaurdian link because of your comment on Phil Neal, thinking you must be being a tad dramatic - having read it for myself I honestly don't know what to say about him, other than WOW ! I dont know him, other than from tv when he was a part of the all conquering LFC side, in fact I think he is the most successful English player ever in terms of medals won ? then he became a so-so manager with Bolton and came across as a complete muppet as No.2 to England's Graham Taylor thanks to the fly on the documentary but his response to being asked about Heysel is something else. I've met two LFC players from the same sort of time, Alan Kennedy, guest at a Town game who was a gent, happy to sit and talk, didn't mantion the fact he scored a European Cup winner and managed to at least appear interested when I harped on about 4th Division Town under Micky Buxton and then Joey Jones, one of my all time Town favourites who I met several times while he played for us and he was always a top bloke. I'm sure they must both be cringing if they read Neals comments, perhaps Nick, in disguise of course, can give his view ?
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 30, 2020 12:06:28 GMT 1
Come on, you can't criticise players from yesteryear. Everything, including dog shit, smelt of roses back then.
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Post by Wingman on May 30, 2020 14:26:56 GMT 1
Let's not let this weird underlying hatred of scousers on this forum get in the way of commemorating a horrific event. Spot on. Folk died, snipes at football clubs is poor form on this thread.
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Post by sabailand on May 30, 2020 15:06:52 GMT 1
Let's not let this weird underlying hatred of scousers on this forum get in the way of commemorating a horrific event. Hatred of scousers...really?
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on May 30, 2020 15:13:56 GMT 1
Let's not let this weird underlying hatred of scousers on this forum get in the way of commemorating a horrific event. I don't think it's weird and it's not just on this forum, it's a pretty widespread view and completely justified IMO.
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Post by alexdire on May 30, 2020 16:06:32 GMT 1
The one thing I will never understand is how the match was ever played that same night, the players must have known people had been killed, even if they claim not to have seen their bodies lying on the ground. How could the authorities have let the match go on? It's just truly unbelievable to me, even today. It's like all those poor innocent people that had just been crushed to death were an inconvenience. The juve players didn't. They'd been locked in the changing rooms and were told nothing about the deaths until afterwards.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 30, 2020 18:56:06 GMT 1
The reason they played the game, rightly or wrongly, was to fend off the possibility of the juve fans rioting
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 30, 2020 20:31:00 GMT 1
The reason they played the game, rightly or wrongly, was to fend off the possibility of the juve fans rioting I know everyone lays the blame squarely at the door of Liverpool's fans that night but the Juve fans didn't cover themselves in glory either, so if it started when BOTH sets of fans started pelting each other with rocks then it's obviously going to escalate and it did and look how it ended.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on May 30, 2020 22:47:27 GMT 1
The reason they played the game, rightly or wrongly, was to fend off the possibility of the juve fans rioting I appreciate you're repeating the official line but what this is saying is that the Juve fans saw 39 innocent people crushed to death (32 of whom were Italian), but the thing that would have tipped them over the edge to riot would have been if the match had been cancelled?
I just find that difficult to accept. I remember watching it at the time and there were people lying on the ground dead. That said, people still stayed to watch the match so maybe you're right. The whole thing just beggars belief.
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 31, 2020 14:41:19 GMT 1
The reason they played the game, rightly or wrongly, was to fend off the possibility of the juve fans rioting I appreciate you're repeating the official line but what this is saying is that the Juve fans saw 39 innocent people crushed to death (32 of whom were Italian), but the thing that would have tipped them over the edge to riot would have been if the match had been cancelled? I just find that difficult to accept. I remember watching it at the time and there were people lying on the ground dead. That said, people still stayed to watch the match so maybe you're right. The whole thing just beggars belief.
The other thing to factor in is the fact it was in the 80's and so many attitudes in both football and life in general have changed, dramatically since then, as an example I went to Villa Park at Easter for a Town game and during the team announcement to the crowd we were informed that the club had been told "A bomb has been planted at the ground but the descion has been taken to carry on. If anyone wants to leave they should go to the exits and ask a steward to let them out." As far as I'm aware nobody left early. It simply wouldn't be allowed today, neither would the Juve / Liverpool game with not only a number of deaths confirmed but don't forget admist the rioting there was a masked (Juve) fan on the pitch with a pistol in his hand, I seem to remember his mate was hurling a corner flag into the crowd at the same time. It sounds bizarre now to me as a nearly 60 year old, can you imagine trying to explain it to a 20 year old, bomb threats, dead fans, gunmen on the rampage, no problem, let's crack on.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 31, 2020 17:13:04 GMT 1
I appreciate you're repeating the official line but what this is saying is that the Juve fans saw 39 innocent people crushed to death (32 of whom were Italian), but the thing that would have tipped them over the edge to riot would have been if the match had been cancelled? I just find that difficult to accept. I remember watching it at the time and there were people lying on the ground dead. That said, people still stayed to watch the match so maybe you're right. The whole thing just beggars belief.
The other thing to factor in is the fact it was in the 80's and so many attitudes in both football and life in general have changed, dramatically since then, as an example I went to Villa Park at Easter for a Town game and during the team announcement to the crowd we were informed that the club had been told "A bomb has been planted at the ground but the descion has been taken to carry on. If anyone wants to leave they should go to the exits and ask a steward to let them out." As far as I'm aware nobody left early. It simply wouldn't be allowed today, neither would the Juve / Liverpool game with not only a number of deaths confirmed but don't forget admist the rioting there was a masked (Juve) fan on the pitch with a pistol in his hand, I seem to remember his mate was hurling a corner flag into the crowd at the same time. It sounds bizarre now to me as a nearly 60 year old, can you imagine trying to explain it to a 20 year old, bomb threats, dead fans, gunmen on the rampage, no problem, let's crack on. I was at Villa park that day. I bet not one person left.
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 31, 2020 18:31:35 GMT 1
The other thing to factor in is the fact it was in the 80's and so many attitudes in both football and life in general have changed, dramatically since then, as an example I went to Villa Park at Easter for a Town game and during the team announcement to the crowd we were informed that the club had been told "A bomb has been planted at the ground but the descion has been taken to carry on. If anyone wants to leave they should go to the exits and ask a steward to let them out." As far as I'm aware nobody left early. It simply wouldn't be allowed today, neither would the Juve / Liverpool game with not only a number of deaths confirmed but don't forget admist the rioting there was a masked (Juve) fan on the pitch with a pistol in his hand, I seem to remember his mate was hurling a corner flag into the crowd at the same time. It sounds bizarre now to me as a nearly 60 year old, can you imagine trying to explain it to a 20 year old, bomb threats, dead fans, gunmen on the rampage, no problem, let's crack on. I was at Villa park that day. I bet not one person left. As I said different times, you wouldn't be allowed to remain if it happened nowadays. When I started watching Town, in the 4th, my elder brother was a season ticket holder at Man U and kept trying to persuade me to go with him - why go to a game vs Torquay in front of 3,000, when you can watch the Red Army vs Spurs in front of 55,000 ? But it was Town for me, I did go with him a few times, midweek, if Town didn't have a game and I remember their first home game of the season, a Tuesday night against Coventry, the tannoy announcer gave out the teams, played a few records and then said something like " I don't want to worry all of you in the Stratford End but there's a bomb been planted." - there wasn't, it was a joke comment, don't know if he did it regularly or not but within seconds 10,000 or so stood behind the goals started chanting as one "We're going to get our fuckin' heads blown up !" Two things, firstly isn't amazing how a crowd catch onto a song so quickly and secondly how long would Tog, or anyone else, last in the job making jokes about bombs ?
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Post by rastrick32 on May 31, 2020 19:15:00 GMT 1
I was at Villa park that day. I bet not one person left. As I said different times, you wouldn't be allowed to remain if it happened nowadays. When I started watching Town, in the 4th, my elder brother was a season ticket holder at Man U and kept trying to persuade me to go with him - why go to a game vs Torquay in front of 3,000, when you can watch the Red Army vs Spurs in front of 55,000 ? But it was Town for me, I did go with him a few times, midweek, if Town didn't have a game and I remember their first home game of the season, a Tuesday night against Coventry, the tannoy announcer gave out the teams, played a few records and then said something like " I don't want to worry all of you in the Stratford End but there's a bomb been planted." - there wasn't, it was a joke comment, don't know if he did it regularly or not but within seconds 10,000 or so stood behind the goals started chanting as one "We're going to get our fuckin' heads blown up !" Two things, firstly isn't amazing how a crowd catch onto a song so quickly and secondly how long would Tog, or anyone else, last in the job making jokes about bombs ? Your user name suits these anecdotes! At least it keeps the thread ticking along nicely...😆
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 31, 2020 20:01:47 GMT 1
As I said different times, you wouldn't be allowed to remain if it happened nowadays. When I started watching Town, in the 4th, my elder brother was a season ticket holder at Man U and kept trying to persuade me to go with him - why go to a game vs Torquay in front of 3,000, when you can watch the Red Army vs Spurs in front of 55,000 ? But it was Town for me, I did go with him a few times, midweek, if Town didn't have a game and I remember their first home game of the season, a Tuesday night against Coventry, the tannoy announcer gave out the teams, played a few records and then said something like " I don't want to worry all of you in the Stratford End but there's a bomb been planted." - there wasn't, it was a joke comment, don't know if he did it regularly or not but within seconds 10,000 or so stood behind the goals started chanting as one "We're going to get our fuckin' heads blown up !" Two things, firstly isn't amazing how a crowd catch onto a song so quickly and secondly how long would Tog, or anyone else, last in the job making jokes about bombs ? Your user name suits these anecdotes! At least it keeps the thread ticking along nicely...😆 Well I can assure you they're true. Captainslapper has already vouched for the Villa game, Div 2 in 87/88, the relegation season under SuperMac and the Man U game was Div 1, 77/78, Dave Sexton was boss, it was a Wednesday night, the crowd was around 55,000 and there were no more than 4 or 500 Coventry fans in attendance.
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Post by rastrick32 on May 31, 2020 20:53:11 GMT 1
Your user name suits these anecdotes! At least it keeps the thread ticking along nicely...😆 Well I can assure you they're true. Captainslapper has already vouched for the Villa game, Div 2 in 87/88, the relegation season under SuperMac and the Man U game was Div 1, 77/78, Dave Sexton was boss, it was a Wednesday night, the crowd was around 55,000 and there were no more than 4 or 500 Coventry fans in attendance. Never doubted you fella. In fact, I was at the Villa game and I made reference of that game just the other night. It was a joke, bombs = short fuse, ticking = bombs. Shit, I know but a joke nonetheless.
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Post by space hardware on May 31, 2020 21:53:14 GMT 1
Well I can assure you they're true. Captainslapper has already vouched for the Villa game, Div 2 in 87/88, the relegation season under SuperMac and the Man U game was Div 1, 77/78, Dave Sexton was boss, it was a Wednesday night, the crowd was around 55,000 and there were no more than 4 or 500 Coventry fans in attendance. Never doubted you fella. In fact, I was at the Villa game and I made reference of that game just the other night. It was a joke, bombs = short fuse, ticking = bombs. Shit, I know but a joke nonetheless. When you have to explain a joke.... 😁😁
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Post by sabailand on May 31, 2020 22:03:44 GMT 1
The other thing to factor in is the fact it was in the 80's and so many attitudes in both football and life in general have changed, dramatically since then, as an example I went to Villa Park at Easter for a Town game and during the team announcement to the crowd we were informed that the club had been told "A bomb has been planted at the ground but the descion has been taken to carry on. If anyone wants to leave they should go to the exits and ask a steward to let them out." As far as I'm aware nobody left early. It simply wouldn't be allowed today, neither would the Juve / Liverpool game with not only a number of deaths confirmed but don't forget admist the rioting there was a masked (Juve) fan on the pitch with a pistol in his hand, I seem to remember his mate was hurling a corner flag into the crowd at the same time. It sounds bizarre now to me as a nearly 60 year old, can you imagine trying to explain it to a 20 year old, bomb threats, dead fans, gunmen on the rampage, no problem, let's crack on. I was at Villa park that day. I bet not one person left. It wasnt an easter game, it was at christmas, got a totally unexpected point duncan shearer scoring for us!
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on May 31, 2020 22:48:10 GMT 1
The reason they played the game, rightly or wrongly, was to fend off the possibility of the juve fans rioting I know everyone lays the blame squarely at the door of Liverpool's fans that night but the Juve fans didn't cover themselves in glory either, so if it started when BOTH sets of fans started pelting each other with rocks then it's obviously going to escalate and it did and look how it ended.[/quote My mates hoping to get tickets for that match went to Brussels and got there Sunday night. On the Monday they made their way to the famous square in Brussels a got chatting to other Liverpool fans that were there. Straight away the word was "there is going to be trouble" the year before Liverpool fans got the kicking of their lives, while the Rome police did nothing to stop it and no matter who was the next Italian team was they played, a section of a well know Liverpool gang were out for revenge. Obviously they had not intended to kill anyone, but if the fans knew what was going to happen why did'nt the authorities. It was nothing to do with fans throwing rocks at each other, soon has that gang got in to the stadium the atmosphere changed. My mates had a very lucky escape, after being offered ticket's in the very section where the trouble started they turned them down on the basis of what they had been told and the fact that segregation was poor so they hoped to watch the game in a bar. When it become clear that people had died, the Belgium TV network did not show the game Out of the five lads who went to Belgium, three of them are Town fans and the other two gave up watching football years a go but they all agree, what could have been.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 23:19:54 GMT 1
I was at Villa park that day. I bet not one person left. It wasnt an easter game, it was at christmas, got a totally unexpected point duncan shearer scoring for us! Yep it was between Christmas and New Year,don't remember the bomb scare myself.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 1, 2020 0:39:31 GMT 1
I was at Villa park that day. I bet not one person left. It wasnt an easter game, it was at christmas, got a totally unexpected point duncan shearer scoring for us! I My memory isn;t great but I could have sworn we lost 2-0 but youre right it was 1-1. Just checked. Must have been traumatised by the bomb scare.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 1, 2020 17:03:08 GMT 1
Checked for myself and it was December, the 28th, also some of the crowds are surprisingly low, Villa just 5 years after winning the European Cup should have been a big draw but the home crowd, in September was under 7,000 (although we hadn't won a league game and gone out to Rotherham in Round 1 of the League Cup) the week before a nil-nil home draw with Beeston only had 9,000 and I remember the visiting fans chanting Duncan Shearer's name as the Yorkshire Post on the day of the game had made them favourites to sign him.
The away games at Villa, Beeston and Man City ( for the 10-1) had 20,900, 20,100 and 19,500 respectively, not great for "huge teams" - we only got over 10,000 at home in the league twice, Blackburn and the small chickens !
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 2, 2020 9:10:13 GMT 1
Football was dying a death in the 80s in truth. If you ever find an old sunday paper under a carpet or somewhere with the results in from that mid 80s era, the attendances are almost bizarre compared to now. Clubs like Arsenall getting late teens.. Wolves 4 or 5000. Almsot everyone seems to get about a third or a quarter of what they get now... and it was cheap as chips to go then and no faffing about getting tickets either.
The atmosphere at Leeds Road for all but the occasional big game was truly dire. Like a morgue.. and even the big games had maybe 10,000 rattling around in a stadium that could hold 45,000.
Crumbling grounds, shit facilities, hooliganism , being treat like an animal by the plod, and the football itself was often endless off side traps and time wasting back passes to the keeper. Hooliganism being the big one. Most of us were youngsters in our teens or twenties so it maybe added to the excitement a bit, but for older people or families it must have made it a non starter.
People are quick to slate Sky for this and that, but can't understate how much they revived the game in this country either.
Most of the nostalgia is based around very selective memories IMO and our own fond recollections of our youth.
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Post by sabailand on Jun 2, 2020 17:29:15 GMT 1
Football was dying a death in the 80s in truth. If you ever find an old sunday paper under a carpet or somewhere with the results in from that mid 80s era, the attendances are almost bizarre compared to now. Clubs like Arsenall getting late teens.. Wolves 4 or 5000. Almsot everyone seems to get about a third or a quarter of what they get now... and it was cheap as chips to go then and no faffing about getting tickets either. The atmosphere at Leeds Road for all but the occasional big game was truly dire. Like a morgue.. and even the big games had maybe 10,000 rattling around in a stadium that could hold 45,000. Crumbling grounds, shit facilities, hooliganism , being treat like an animal by the plod, and the football itself was often endless off side traps and time wasting back passes to the keeper. Hooliganism being the big one. Most of us were youngsters in our teens or twenties so it maybe added to the excitement a bit, but for older people or families it must have made it a non starter. People are quick to slate Sky for this and that, but can't understate how much they revived the game in this country either. Most of the nostalgia is based around very selective memories IMO and our own fond recollections of our youth. Yep, we were there when football was unfashionable, and when non football goers instantly thought `hooligansism` and that going to a match was like going to downtown Beirut, how so much different it is today!
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jun 2, 2020 18:08:34 GMT 1
I can remember in the 70's when I saw a crowd of 5000 plus in the newspapers I thought we'd done well.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jun 2, 2020 18:43:43 GMT 1
Never doubted you fella. In fact, I was at the Villa game and I made reference of that game just the other night. It was a joke, bombs = short fuse, ticking = bombs. Shit, I know but a joke nonetheless. When you have to explain a joke.... 😁😁 Time for me to work on new, cutting edge material so I will give grimois his jokebook back!
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 2, 2020 20:42:04 GMT 1
Football was dying a death in the 80s in truth. If you ever find an old sunday paper under a carpet or somewhere with the results in from that mid 80s era, the attendances are almost bizarre compared to now. Clubs like Arsenall getting late teens.. Wolves 4 or 5000. Almsot everyone seems to get about a third or a quarter of what they get now... and it was cheap as chips to go then and no faffing about getting tickets either. The atmosphere at Leeds Road for all but the occasional big game was truly dire. Like a morgue.. and even the big games had maybe 10,000 rattling around in a stadium that could hold 45,000. Crumbling grounds, shit facilities, hooliganism , being treat like an animal by the plod, and the football itself was often endless off side traps and time wasting back passes to the keeper. Hooliganism being the big one. Most of us were youngsters in our teens or twenties so it maybe added to the excitement a bit, but for older people or families it must have made it a non starter. People are quick to slate Sky for this and that, but can't understate how much they revived the game in this country either. Most of the nostalgia is based around very selective memories IMO and our own fond recollections of our youth. Yep, we were there when football was unfashionable, and when non football goers instantly thought `hooligansism` and that going to a match was like going to downtown Beirut, how so much different it is today! My sons are in their 20s and I tell em what it was like following Town away in the 80s. Im not even sure they believe me, its just so different from what theyve grown up experiencing. Treat like animals by the police. Stopped miles away from the venue, taken off the coach and frisked at the side of the road. Escorted in, frog marched to the stadium where you are put in a cage by a corner flag. No beer on sale..no concourse bookies and TVs, no roof on the bogs. Then frog marched back to the coaches and escorted away with all kinds of debris bouncing off the windows. What they know is arriving on a coach and going for a wonder around the ground, finding a pub and having a few pints with the home fans. Walking round to our turnstiles, Maybe having a quick one in the ground watching Jeff Stelling on the telly. Then back to the pub afterwards with the home fans whilst the traffic clears, then make your way home. To say its a different experience is an understatement!
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Post by rastrick32 on Jun 2, 2020 21:10:56 GMT 1
Yep, we were there when football was unfashionable, and when non football goers instantly thought `hooligansism` and that going to a match was like going to downtown Beirut, how so much different it is today! My sons are in their 20s and I tell em what it was like following Town away in the 80s. Im not even sure they believe me, its just so different from what theyve grown up experiencing. Treat like animals by the police. Stopped miles away from the venue, taken off the coach and frisked at the side of the road. Escorted in, frog marched to the stadium where you are put in a cage by a corner flag. No beer on sale..no concourse bookies and TVs, no roof on the bogs. Then frog marched back to the coaches and escorted away with all kinds of debris bouncing off the windows. What they know is arriving on a coach and going for a wonder around the ground, finding a pub and having a few pints with the home fans. Walking round to our turnstiles, Maybe having a quick one in the ground watching Jeff Stelling on the telly. Then back to the pub afterwards with the home fans whilst the traffic clears, then make your way home. To say its a different experience is an understatement! I am still bloody traumatised from an away to Leeds on a special, mid 80's. On arrival, we were held at the station and some guy was screaming repeatedly, "this is it lads, hit every fucking thing that fucking moves and always stand your fucking ground!' And that was a police sergeant!
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