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Post by York Terrier on Jul 11, 2020 12:01:18 GMT 1
Its hard to think back only 2 years when we were the first team to beat Man United and the players and the club were all as one. It appears the rot set in when DH would not buy Premiership quality players for our second season and tried to buy talent to develop and sell for a profit.
Fast forward a year and DH appoints a German junior manager, we get relegated then Our new chairman ( who may have been sold a pup by DH) is hailed for engaging a management team who have never managed at Championship level and are totally out of their depth ( look at my posts I have been saying this since Bristol City away)
The old saviour DH takes a large chunk of his money out of the club ( after apparently charging Interest) and we are heading on a downwards spiral that is now out of control.I have been supporting Town since 1962 so I have seen it all before but I don’t know if it’s because I was much younger then but I don’t think I have ever been as dejected and disappointed in my club as I am now.
In a little over two years we have turned what was a pleasure to be a part of into the shambles that it is today and whilst everyone can blame the Manager ( which I do) and Players the rot in my opinion started at the very top
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 11, 2020 12:08:24 GMT 1
I just hope the chairman, coaches, players et al, read this board this morning, just so that they understand the feelings of fans who cannot express their frustrations on the terraces. Only when they fully take this on board can those responsible do something about it. It's time to go back to the drawing board and devise another plan. At least give us a style of play that we can identify with.
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Post by davethesprout on Jul 11, 2020 12:21:09 GMT 1
I just hope the chairman, coaches, players et al, read this board this morning, just so that they understand the feelings of fans who cannot express their frustrations on the terraces. Only when they fully take this on board can those responsible do something about it. It's time to go back to the drawing board and devise another plan. At least give us a style of play that we can identify with. Going to be a Fecking Struggle to find the Player of the Season !!!! All gone wrong since this man came in ! i think comments about his wife wearing Sunglasses was over the Top ! I Should be him wearing them ! Shambles from day one ,before & after he came in They Will be making another Splitting Yarn Episode about Town again as they did about our rise & fall in the 70s ! It Was about Town ,when he through the clock through the window ! |
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Post by conman on Jul 11, 2020 13:18:54 GMT 1
Its hard to think back only 2 years when we were the first team to beat Man United and the players and the club were all as one. It appears the rot set in when DH would not buy Premiership quality players for our second season and tried to buy talent to develop and sell for a profit. Fast forward a year and DH appoints a German junior manager, we get relegated then Our new chairman ( who may have been sold a pup by DH) is hailed for engaging a management team who have never managed at Championship level and are totally out of their depth ( look at my posts I have been saying this since Bristol City away) The old saviour DH takes a large chunk of his money out of the club ( after apparently charging Interest) and we are heading on a downwards spiral that is now out of control.I have been supporting Town since 1962 so I have seen it all before but I don’t know if it’s because I was much younger then but I don’t think I have ever been as dejected and disappointed in my club as I am now. In a little over two years we have turned what was a pleasure to be a part of into the shambles that it is today and whilst everyone can blame the Manager ( which I do) and Players the rot in my opinion started at the very top Good post. We all knew we weren't ready for the premier league, but to go tits up so quickly.. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 11, 2020 13:21:47 GMT 1
I just hope the chairman, coaches, players et al, read this board this morning, just so that they understand the feelings of fans who cannot express their frustrations on the terraces. Only when they fully take this on board can those responsible do something about it. It's time to go back to the drawing board and devise another plan. At least give us a style of play that we can identify with. Going to be a Fecking Struggle to find the Player of the Season !!!! All gone wrong since this man came in ! i think comments about his wife wearing Sunglasses was over the Top ! I Should be him wearing them ! Shambles from day one ,before & after he came in They Will be making another Splitting Yarn Episode about Town again as they did about our rise & fall in the 70s ! It Was about Town ,when he through the clock through the window ! 18 goals in this shite team would suggest Grant will be player of the season imo. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 11, 2020 13:30:52 GMT 1
18 goals in this shite team would suggest Grant will be player of the season imo. If we are relegated I hope they do the decent thing and knock it on the head. |
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 11, 2020 14:21:18 GMT 1
They both have to take the blame for the mess we are in, its been a disgrace since we stayed up in the Premiership in the first season. The club should have been sold by Hoyle, with the up front payment giving him his money back, the parachute payments should never have been used for that. That has nothing to do with the illness etc, he is supposed to be a Town fan, he took over after seeing the club go down the pan, and having to buy the shares back. He is entitled to his money back if he wants it, I for one would have been happy for him to sell the club and recoup his money, but the way its been done has just ruined us even further after we were already hurting.
Then yes, Phil comes into a shitstorm, but what does he do, he has a fire sale of players, 25 million pounds if not more from players sales. I may be wrong but we were told they would be only sold under our terms and we didnt need to sell. So what happened to the money from player sales, cus it sure as shit hasnt been reinvested into the squad to buy quality Championship players, which was desperately in need. We bring in loans and buy bargain basement players from the German lower leagues and conference. How can a team who has come down from the Premier League with 2 seasons of TV money, buy players like Bockhorn and Korona and expect to change anything. I would be amazed if any club who has been relegated in recent years from the Prem has spent less than us, or even close to what we did. We desperately needed a few quality Championship additions to our squad and what we got was loans and bargain basement buys.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 11, 2020 17:12:10 GMT 1
I just hope the chairman, coaches, players et al, read this board this morning, just so that they understand the feelings of fans who cannot express their frustrations on the terraces. Only when they fully take this on board can those responsible do something about it. It's time to go back to the drawing board and devise another plan. At least give us a style of play that we can identify with. They are bloody lucky fans weren't at the home games after lockdown.. |
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 12, 2020 9:01:31 GMT 1
Maybe we should break into the ground for Friday's game and let them know what frauds they are - socially distanced of course.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jul 12, 2020 9:06:53 GMT 1
Maybe we should break into the ground for Friday's game and let them know what frauds they are - socially distanced of course. I wouldn't be averse to congregating outside reception and telling a few of the players what I think of them. |
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 12, 2020 9:10:06 GMT 1
Maybe we should break into the ground for Friday's game and let them know what frauds they are - socially distanced of course. I wouldn't be averse to congregating outside reception and telling a few of the players what I think of them. I used to quite enjoy those post-match soirées outside the ground after the game when Wadsworth was manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 14:05:06 GMT 1
They both have to take the blame for the mess we are in, its been a disgrace since we stayed up in the Premiership in the first season. The club should have been sold by Hoyle, with the up front payment giving him his money back, the parachute payments should never have been used for that. That has nothing to do with the illness etc, he is supposed to be a Town fan, he took over after seeing the club go down the pan, and having to buy the shares back. He is entitled to his money back if he wants it, I for one would have been happy for him to sell the club and recoup his money, but the way its been done has just ruined us even further after we were already hurting. Then yes, Phil comes into a shitstorm, but what does he do, he has a fire sale of players, 25 million pounds if not more from players sales. I may be wrong but we were told they would be only sold under our terms and we didnt need to sell. So what happened to the money from player sales, cus it sure as shit hasnt been reinvested into the squad to buy quality Championship players, which was desperately in need. We bring in loans and buy bargain basement players from the German lower leagues and conference. How can a team who has come down from the Premier League with 2 seasons of TV money, buy players like Bockhorn and Korona and expect to change anything. I would be amazed if any club who has been relegated in recent years from the Prem has spent less than us, or even close to what we did. We desperately needed a few quality Championship additions to our squad and what we got was loans and bargain basement buys. i agree that reqruitment has in the main not been good enough but ireally do not understand how the chairman can be held resonsible for the situation we are in. yes like others he will have made mistakes but believe me the rot set in well before phill came in and he is trying and will have to try and sort it out While like everyone else i dont want us to go down but relegation is not the biggest issue the club faces despite what many may say.im sure it will become clear in the next two weeks are so what will need to be done |
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Post by Wingman on Jul 12, 2020 14:41:44 GMT 1
You’re hinting at something there @positive, care to share anything?
My fear would be administration, because you can bet your bottom dollar the EFL will make sure it’s watertight, and sticks to the club that comes next after Wigan.
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Post by willo on Jul 12, 2020 15:00:51 GMT 1
They both have to take the blame for the mess we are in, its been a disgrace since we stayed up in the Premiership in the first season. The club should have been sold by Hoyle, with the up front payment giving him his money back, the parachute payments should never have been used for that. That has nothing to do with the illness etc, he is supposed to be a Town fan, he took over after seeing the club go down the pan, and having to buy the shares back. He is entitled to his money back if he wants it, I for one would have been happy for him to sell the club and recoup his money, but the way its been done has just ruined us even further after we were already hurting. Then yes, Phil comes into a shitstorm, but what does he do, he has a fire sale of players, 25 million pounds if not more from players sales. I may be wrong but we were told they would be only sold under our terms and we didnt need to sell. So what happened to the money from player sales, cus it sure as shit hasnt been reinvested into the squad to buy quality Championship players, which was desperately in need. We bring in loans and buy bargain basement players from the German lower leagues and conference. How can a team who has come down from the Premier League with 2 seasons of TV money, buy players like Bockhorn and Korona and expect to change anything. I would be amazed if any club who has been relegated in recent years from the Prem has spent less than us, or even close to what we did. We desperately needed a few quality Championship additions to our squad and what we got was loans and bargain basement buys. i agree that reqruitment has in the main not been good enough but ireally do not understand how the chairman can be held resonsible for the situation we are in. yes like others he will have made mistakes but believe me the rot set in well before phill came in and he is trying and will have to try and sort it out While like everyone else i dont want us to go down but relegation is not the biggest issue the club faces despite what many may say.im sure it will become clear in the next two weeks are so what will need to be done Not sure I like the sound of this at all. We’re not saying we have the threat of going into administration hanging over us are we on top of everything else? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 16:00:56 GMT 1
You’re hinting at something there @positive, care to share anything? My fear would be administration, because you can bet your bottom dollar the EFL will make sure it’s watertight, and sticks to the club that comes next after Wigan. No the club will not go in to admin that l am confident but getting players out on top salaries wlll need to be done but that is not easy but a lot of changes are needed and l have. No doubt a lot of hard decisions will be made |
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Post by clayts on Jul 12, 2020 16:06:03 GMT 1
They both have to take the blame for the mess we are in, its been a disgrace since we stayed up in the Premiership in the first season. The club should have been sold by Hoyle, with the up front payment giving him his money back, the parachute payments should never have been used for that. That has nothing to do with the illness etc, he is supposed to be a Town fan, he took over after seeing the club go down the pan, and having to buy the shares back. He is entitled to his money back if he wants it, I for one would have been happy for him to sell the club and recoup his money, but the way its been done has just ruined us even further after we were already hurting. Then yes, Phil comes into a shitstorm, but what does he do, he has a fire sale of players, 25 million pounds if not more from players sales. I may be wrong but we were told they would be only sold under our terms and we didnt need to sell. So what happened to the money from player sales, cus it sure as shit hasnt been reinvested into the squad to buy quality Championship players, which was desperately in need. We bring in loans and buy bargain basement players from the German lower leagues and conference. How can a team who has come down from the Premier League with 2 seasons of TV money, buy players like Bockhorn and Korona and expect to change anything. I would be amazed if any club who has been relegated in recent years from the Prem has spent less than us, or even close to what we did. We desperately needed a few quality Championship additions to our squad and what we got was loans and bargain basement buys. yes like others he will have made mistakes but believe me the rot set in well before phill came in and he is trying and will have to try and sort it out While like everyone else i dont want us to go down but relegation is not the biggest issue the club faces despite what many may say.im sure it will become clear in the next two weeks are so what will need to be done Because the chairman took charge of recruitment at the beginning of the season. |
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 14, 2020 17:07:23 GMT 1
They both have to take the blame for the mess we are in, its been a disgrace since we stayed up in the Premiership in the first season. The club should have been sold by Hoyle, with the up front payment giving him his money back, the parachute payments should never have been used for that. That has nothing to do with the illness etc, he is supposed to be a Town fan, he took over after seeing the club go down the pan, and having to buy the shares back. He is entitled to his money back if he wants it, I for one would have been happy for him to sell the club and recoup his money, but the way its been done has just ruined us even further after we were already hurting. Then yes, Phil comes into a shitstorm, but what does he do, he has a fire sale of players, 25 million pounds if not more from players sales. I may be wrong but we were told they would be only sold under our terms and we didnt need to sell. So what happened to the money from player sales, cus it sure as shit hasnt been reinvested into the squad to buy quality Championship players, which was desperately in need. We bring in loans and buy bargain basement players from the German lower leagues and conference. How can a team who has come down from the Premier League with 2 seasons of TV money, buy players like Bockhorn and Korona and expect to change anything. I would be amazed if any club who has been relegated in recent years from the Prem has spent less than us, or even close to what we did. We desperately needed a few quality Championship additions to our squad and what we got was loans and bargain basement buys. i agree that reqruitment has in the main not been good enough but ireally do not understand how the chairman can be held resonsible for the situation we are in. yes like others he will have made mistakes but believe me the rot set in well before phill came in and he is trying and will have to try and sort it out While like everyone else i dont want us to go down but relegation is not the biggest issue the club faces despite what many may say.im sure it will become clear in the next two weeks are so what will need to be done I dont understand what you mean, how can he not be responsible for the recruitment, who sanctioned the fire sale of all the players, who sanctioned all the loans this season, who spent barely fuck all of the player sale money on conference standard players? I acknowledged that the rot had set in, but he has to take responsibility for this season's recruitment. He has to take responsibility for the fact we dont seem to have a penny to rub together despite 2 seasons in the premier league and millions of millions of pounds in player sales. He brought in the managers he wanted, he has had 2 transfer windows, so he has had ample time to turn some things around and put his stamp on the club. Yes it takes time to sort out the issues we faced, and he came into a shitstorm as I have mentioned above. But it still remains that there are serious questions that need to be asked of both Dean and Phil regarding everything that has gone wrong at this football club. I never expected us to stay up 1 season, never mind 2 to be honest, but the least I expected from our financial gains over 2 seasons plus 3 of parachute payments, was a club that would now have ambitions to attract good quality Championship players, and to compete at the top end of the table for the next few years. I never in a million years thought when we came back down we were going to be raiding the lower leagues for cheap players and relying on loans. Dont get me wrong, I didnt expect the opposite either that we were going to be spending 10-15 million on players like some clubs do, as the way some clubs are run are a joke. But to get rid of someone of the quality of Mooy with no-one to replace him on a permanent deal is a shambles. Yes we arent going to find Mooy mark 2, but come on. I would love to see us stay up and see mistakes rectified and us to learn from the errors of the last 2 years, but I surely am not the only one who is worried that even if we do stay up, there will be another big offload of players, and once again we will go for loans and cheap deals and end up in even more trouble than this season |
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Post by Yorkie on Jul 14, 2020 17:36:59 GMT 1
The only thing I blame both chairmen for is the appointment and continued support of Jan Siewert. We all knew he wasn’t right and he should have been thanked for his service 10 minutes after the Southampton game.
Obviously I can’t say what may have happened this season but I doubt we’d have gone 9 games without a win to start the season and I doubt we’d be sat where we are now.
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 14, 2020 22:14:31 GMT 1
They both have to take the blame for the mess we are in, its been a disgrace since we stayed up in the Premiership in the first season. The club should have been sold by Hoyle, with the up front payment giving him his money back, the parachute payments should never have been used for that. That has nothing to do with the illness etc, he is supposed to be a Town fan, he took over after seeing the club go down the pan, and having to buy the shares back. He is entitled to his money back if he wants it, I for one would have been happy for him to sell the club and recoup his money, but the way its been done has just ruined us even further after we were already hurting. Then yes, Phil comes into a shitstorm, but what does he do, he has a fire sale of players, 25 million pounds if not more from players sales. I may be wrong but we were told they would be only sold under our terms and we didnt need to sell. So what happened to the money from player sales, cus it sure as shit hasnt been reinvested into the squad to buy quality Championship players, which was desperately in need. We bring in loans and buy bargain basement players from the German lower leagues and conference. How can a team who has come down from the Premier League with 2 seasons of TV money, buy players like Bockhorn and Korona and expect to change anything. I would be amazed if any club who has been relegated in recent years from the Prem has spent less than us, or even close to what we did. We desperately needed a few quality Championship additions to our squad and what we got was loans and bargain basement buys. It’s very pertinent that DH turned down American Interest to sell to Phil who appears not to have paid the true value and the club appear to be using the parachute payments and transfer fees to pay back DH. On this basis if the assumption is correct was the sale actually legitimate as DH could possibly have achieved better value for the club selling to an overseas investor, but he would probably not have got his money back. |
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