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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Jul 13, 2020 18:51:28 GMT 1
Football is becoming less and less entertaining. Cheating once again goes unpunished. The sporting element of the game has evaporated years ago. them I say good luck to them and where is the proof that City have been cheating. If and it is a big if, they have been cheating they are not on their own far from it. What ever business you are in, money talks, personally i prefer football has it use to be and when i get the chance i will go and watch grass roots football and love it. It's great to see the likes of Da Silva and Aguero and so on but the top 5 in English football are untouchable and the rest is history.
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Post by marshterrier on Jul 13, 2020 19:45:34 GMT 1
They were hot favourites to get away with it. No surprise.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Jul 13, 2020 19:46:24 GMT 1
Well what a surprise. End up with a fine total joke. Old sheikh whatever has more than that down the back of his sofa. Just who are Court of Arbitration for Sport and where do they get there money from? Cry more. Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete. Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait. Utter bilge. I for one would not support Town on the Man City model (ie money from a corrupt oil sheikh). Perhaps I'm the only one but I doubt it.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 13, 2020 20:03:59 GMT 1
Cry more. Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete. Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait. Utter bilge. I for one would not support Town on the Man City model (ie money from a corrupt oil sheikh). Perhaps I'm the only one but I doubt it. It would be like anything mate, a novelty to begin with then the novelty wears off. Like the great man Sir Patrick Stewart said whilst narrating Ted “even with a talking teddy bear after awhile nobody gives a shit!”
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Post by impact on Jul 13, 2020 20:51:15 GMT 1
FFP has been created by the big clubs with the sole intention of keeping it a closed shop. You can similarly see this in the proposed (or is it now approved?) for mat for the Champions League in a few years.
They want to stop other clubs buying their way into the big table and sharing in the huge sums of cash there. It's just as much of a closed shop as Scotland is.
The only fair way is a salary cap (in £ not % of income) so that everyone spends the same, similar to the NFL. There's not a chance in hell they'll go for it if it threatens their money pots though.
I'm glad City haven't been punished. The whole thing is a joke, and an unfair one at that.
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Post by lorddriffield on Jul 13, 2020 21:22:33 GMT 1
It seems that UEFA have shot themselves in the foot with this case. They have a clause in their rules and regulations concerning FFP that breaches of financial discipline by clubs have to be dealt with within a 5 year period. As most of City's breaches date back to 2012 onwards it seems the court of arbitration found it pretty meaningless to go with the 2 year ban set by UEFA, as they make their own rules and should have abided by them! Hence the fine only for City not cooperating with the case. It's so funny you couldn't make it up. Total incompetence by European football's governing body.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 13, 2020 22:33:24 GMT 1
It seems that UEFA have shot themselves in the foot with this case. They have a clause in their rules and regulations concerning FFP that breaches of financial discipline by clubs have to be dealt with within a 5 year period. As most of City's breaches date back to 2012 onwards it seems the court of arbitration found it pretty meaningless to go with the 2 year ban set by UEFA, as they make their own rules and should have abided by them! Hence the fine only for City not cooperating with the case. It's so funny you couldn't make it up. Total incompetence by European football's governing body. You must be gutted as a Liverpool fan, a 2 year ban would have seen them struggle to keep all their top players and would have left you with an even easier run to the title next season. I agree about UEFA though they are useless.
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Post by Champers on Jul 14, 2020 8:16:57 GMT 1
Cry more. Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete. Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait. Utter bilge. I for one would not support Town on the Man City model (ie money from a corrupt oil sheikh). Perhaps I'm the only one but I doubt it. Yeah, you would. Frequent trips to Wembley, games against the European elite, actual real life trophies..."Nah, I'm alright. Give me a nil-nil against Rotherham above all that success nonsense any day of the week." Aye, okay.
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 28, 2020 19:45:58 GMT 1
Official Cas report out today regarding the FFP case are pretty scathing about City’s lack of cooperation but the interesting point was the official report paragraph stating the nine PL clubs who officially complained about City’s financial behaviour...
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 28, 2020 20:01:28 GMT 1
Official Cas report out today regarding the FFP case are pretty scathing about City’s lack of cooperation but the interesting point was the official report paragraph stating the nine PL clubs who officially complained about City’s financial behaviour... And it's interesting which clubs complained too.
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Post by Galpharmer on Jul 28, 2020 20:19:03 GMT 1
Chelsea? That's like Harold Shipman moaning to the General Medical Council about another doctor.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 28, 2020 20:21:30 GMT 1
You're always going to have teams buying trophies the only argument seems to be where is the money coming from? United bought the best players for years but obviously did make a lot of the money themselves. Blackburn bought the title and would never have won the league without Jack Walker. Take mega rich owners out of it and you'd probably still have 2 teams competing for the title every year, Liverpool and the other side of Manchester, with nobody else ever having the opportunity to challenge (apart from maybe a freak Leicester season which happened even now). Let them crack on. FFP is a load of rubbish, if clubs want to take a gamble with a rich owner to be more competitive just let them. That’s exactly the sort of talk that leads to the situation we are in. However, there are different winners in rugby league, cricket etc so why does football have to be like that? The answer is...it doesn’t. I’m not sure if you’ve read the article that was posted in Feb about why football is broken. It really doesn’t have to be this way.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 28, 2020 21:09:57 GMT 1
You're always going to have teams buying trophies the only argument seems to be where is the money coming from? United bought the best players for years but obviously did make a lot of the money themselves. Blackburn bought the title and would never have won the league without Jack Walker. Take mega rich owners out of it and you'd probably still have 2 teams competing for the title every year, Liverpool and the other side of Manchester, with nobody else ever having the opportunity to challenge (apart from maybe a freak Leicester season which happened even now). Let them crack on. FFP is a load of rubbish, if clubs want to take a gamble with a rich owner to be more competitive just let them. That’s exactly the sort of talk that leads to the situation we are in. However, there are different winners in rugby league, cricket etc so why does football have to be like that? The answer is...it doesn’t. I’m not sure if you’ve read the article that was posted in Feb about why football is broken. It really doesn’t have to be this way. What situation? Teams dominate from time to time whether they spend ridiculous amounts of money given to them by wealthy owners or when there wasn't much money in the game. It happens in pretty much every country as well. That won't change so why bother with FFP? The money involved in football means you can't compare it to rugby or cricket that are pretty much amateur level in comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 23:03:39 GMT 1
We need something to make things more competitive. I was very excited at promotion to the Premier League but now I couldn’t care less if we ever get back there. We don’t seem to be much richer as a club despite taking in over 200 million quid and the only target every year would be staying up.
Boring.
As for the Premier League, some games are entertaining but many are so boring I don’t watch anymore. Man City playing anyone outside the top 6 are just going to pass it around until the other team get tired of chasing it and then they will score almost at will. Not entertainment if it’s not competitive.
I agree with the person that suggested a salary cap. Would even things up a lot and give more teams a chance to compete.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 29, 2020 0:06:40 GMT 1
Said before, an old fashioned salary cap probably couldn't be enforced under employment law these days. However, a system whereby the club as a whole had a fixed limit spend (similar to what they have in NFL) each season could be administered. The club then have the choice to either go for a number of similar priced players or gamble on a few big signings and have to balance it out with cheaper ones to meet the budget. Bit like fantasy football. Mind you some clubs would probably still have a good player listed as earning X but then slipping them extras in brown envelopes on the quiet...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 29, 2020 0:27:30 GMT 1
Said before, an old fashioned salary cap probably couldn't be enforced under employment law these days. However, a system whereby the club as a whole had a fixed limit spend (similar to what they have in NFL) each season could be administered. The club then have the choice to either go for a number of similar priced players or gamble on a few big signings and have to balance it out with cheaper ones to meet the budget. Bit like fantasy football. Mind you some clubs would probably still have a good player listed as earning X but then slipping them extras in brown envelopes on the quiet... Maybe the PL could stick in a Revie clause to prevent that?
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jul 29, 2020 0:32:11 GMT 1
Cry more. Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete. Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait. Utter bilge. I for one would not support Town on the Man City model (ie money from a corrupt oil sheikh). Perhaps I'm the only one but I doubt it. Difficult to imagine in the days of trump and boris johnson, but you're far away from being the only one who puts ethics in front of arseholes.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 29, 2020 6:15:41 GMT 1
Official Cas report out today regarding the FFP case are pretty scathing about City’s lack of cooperation but the interesting point was the official report paragraph stating the nine PL clubs who officially complained about City’s financial behaviour... And it's interesting which clubs complained too. That'd be Wolves with the tame superagent that dodgily signed virtually the entire Portugal team bar Ronaldo to get them promoted 🤔 Hypocritical bastards
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Post by calken on Jul 29, 2020 8:39:56 GMT 1
This is where I really like the US model. The talent has to go through schools and then each team gets to pick players from schools. So rather than the teams having an academy, the schools do. Players wouldn't be eligible to play professionally until they turned 18.
Not sure how this would work with Europe but it stops the reach teams buying up all the younger players.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 29, 2020 8:46:51 GMT 1
Said before, an old fashioned salary cap probably couldn't be enforced under employment law these days. it could, as long as the FA wrote it into the rules and regulations of the game. There could always be an argument from clubs that this is unfair, but the FA (and FL) ultimately dictate who can play in their leagues, so clubs would have to tow the line or risk losing their share. It just requires someone with enough will to make it happen.
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Post by Champers on Jul 29, 2020 9:05:10 GMT 1
Said before, an old fashioned salary cap probably couldn't be enforced under employment law these days. it could, as long as the FA wrote it into the rules and regulations of the game. There could always be an argument from clubs that this is unfair, but the FA (and FL) ultimately dictate who can play in their leagues, so clubs would have to tow the line or risk losing their share. It just requires someone with enough will to make it happen. It would need to be a UEFA/FIFA directive if it was to be successfully implemented otherwise all the best players would be hoovered up by clubs in Italy, Spain and Germany. TV companies and major sponsors would pull out and our league would probably end up on a par with somewhere like North Macedonia. Fans would lose interest and suddenly everyone starts to go out of business. Given the cash UEFA earn from the Champions League, it will most likely never happen.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 29, 2020 9:06:02 GMT 1
Official Cas report out today regarding the FFP case are pretty scathing about City’s lack of cooperation but the interesting point was the official report paragraph stating the nine PL clubs who officially complained about City’s financial behaviour... So basically any club eyeing a Champions League or UEFA Cup spot Of course Man City being ineligible to play in Europe meaning the 5th placed side (rather than 4th placed side) got a Champs League place and a place lower for the UEFA Cup. They're not football clubs trying to uphold the morality of the game but businesses looking to maximise any and all potential revenue streams
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Post by Tiro on Jul 29, 2020 10:14:19 GMT 1
Official Cas report out today regarding the FFP case are pretty scathing about City’s lack of cooperation but the interesting point was the official report paragraph stating the nine PL clubs who officially complained about City’s financial behaviour... So basically any club eyeing a Champions League or UEFA Cup spot And Newcastle. 😁
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