City reprieve.

[bogart]

Well what a surprise. End up with a fine total joke. Old sheikh whatever has more than that down the back of his sofa. Just who are Court of Arbitration for Sport and where do they get there money from?

[galpharm2400]

Jul 13, 2020 11:52:23 GMT 1 bogart said:

Well what a surprise. End up with a fine joke. Ols sheikh whatever has more than that down the back of his sofa. Just who are Court of Arbitration for Sport and where do they get there money from?

Arabs??? Easy one..🤔

[faffa]

Surprised they could find an envelope big enough for this backhander

[Captainslapper]

Might as well scrap any notion of financial fair play.

If you can afford good enough lawyers a club can basically get away with what they want.

Whens the Sheff wed verdict in? Guess they cant afford the same legal team that Abu Dhabi Citeh can,. so maybe theyll still cop for it.

[galpharm2400]

Jul 13, 2020 12:45:11 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Might as well scrap any notion of financial fair play.

If you can afford good enough lawyers a club can basically get away with what they want.

Whens the Sheff wed verdict in? Guess they cant afford the same legal team that Abu Dhabi Citeh can,. so maybe theyll still cop for it.

Wendies used to be big, Wigan considerably less so, the one rule for one, one for another, may well be applied?
It's fair, because it just is...

I guess City have just employed the 'throw enough lawyers and enough paperwork at it' defence.
Court of arbitration probably wont want to sit for years as they sift through the millions of bits of paper, computer disks and the like??
Bullshit baffles brains??

[Porrohman]

Good

[Mastercracker]

I'm no fan of sportwashing but lets not pretend UEFA aren't corrupt either. Would it be all that surprising if the charge was crap? Would Real Madrid or Barca faced the same charges for the same 'offence'?

[themanfromatlantis]

More proof that the football authorities just don't have the legal clout to deal with clubs who can pour massive resources into their defence...

Ironic really, as Covid-19 will push clubs to the wall or to the brink of that, this ruling is a kick in the teeth for fair play.

Football - run by corrupt bastards for the last 40 yrs or so really...

[Champers]

Jul 13, 2020 11:52:23 GMT 1 bogart said:

Well what a surprise. End up with a fine total joke. Old sheikh whatever has more than that down the back of his sofa. Just who are Court of Arbitration for Sport and where do they get there money from?

Cry more.

Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete.

Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait.

[Captainslapper]

Jul 13, 2020 13:29:40 GMT 1 Champers said:

Jul 13, 2020 11:52:23 GMT 1 bogart said:

Well what a surprise. End up with a fine total joke. Old sheikh whatever has more than that down the back of his sofa. Just who are Court of Arbitration for Sport and where do they get there money from?

Cry more.

Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete.

Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait.

I think youre right.

To a much lesser degree we did the same when Dean Hoyle took us over and started pumping in millions whilst we were in league 1.
It took a few seasons but we effectively bought our way up out of the division using money we couldnt have raised ourselves.
No Town fan was complaining.

City have have buying trophies for a few years now.
The real prize though is the reflected glory on the people who own it and their country. Thats what theyre paying for. The club itself is little more than a corporate branding tool for Abu Dhabi.
Perhaps its the reluctance to admit that, which gets people backs up?
That they like to portray themselves as a football club, earning their place at the top of the game?

Maybe the time is right to just say that any club can be bought by anyone and they can pump in however much money they want to?
Theres only really room for a couple of multi billionaires to do that in each country though ( no one wants to spend billions and finish 3rd ) so it could well turn into a two horse race between who wants to buy it more.

[rastrick32]

Jul 13, 2020 14:06:33 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 13, 2020 13:29:40 GMT 1 Champers said:

Cry more.

Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete.

Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait.

I think youre right.

To a much lesser degree we did the same when Dean Hoyle took us over and started pumping in millions whilst we were in league 1.
It took a few seasons but we effectively bought our way up out of the division using money we couldnt have raised ourselves.
No Town fan was complaining.

City have have buying trophies for a few years now.
The real prize though is the reflected glory on the people who own it and their country. Thats what theyre paying for. The club itself is little more than a corporate branding tool for Abu Dhabi.
Perhaps its the reluctance to admit that, which gets people backs up?
That they like to portray themselves as a football club, earning their place at the top of the game?

Maybe the time is right to just say that any club can be bought by anyone and they can pump in however much money they want to?
Theres only really room for a couple of multi billionaires to do that in each country though ( no one wants to spend billions and finish 3rd ) so it could well turn into a two horse race between who wants to buy it more.

As barmy as it sounds, I know a City fan who harks back to the 'good old days' when they were skint and shit. I suppose there's a bit of that in our human nature.

On our recent trips to the Etihad, I was surprised by how flat and passionless it was. They were surreal days out and nothing like the Wild West of Maine Road. It felt like a contrived event, a bit like a day out in a theme park.

On the pitch, them and Liverpool are now too good. They are like the biggest, baddest bullies in a very small playground. Surely, people will tire of it eventually. I wonder how many watched that complete mismatch against Brighton on Saturday night? Even the City lads looked bored by it.

[Amigo]

You're always going to have teams buying trophies the only argument seems to be where is the money coming from?

United bought the best players for years but obviously did make a lot of the money themselves. Blackburn bought the title and would never have won the league without Jack Walker. Take mega rich owners out of it and you'd probably still have 2 teams competing for the title every year, Liverpool and the other side of Manchester, with nobody else ever having the opportunity to challenge (apart from maybe a freak Leicester season which happened even now).

Let them crack on. FFP is a load of rubbish, if clubs want to take a gamble with a rich owner to be more competitive just let them.

[ruggedivy]

Not really sure how UEFA can enforce any further charges regarding FFP after that result today..

[Porrohman]

Jul 13, 2020 14:32:20 GMT 1 Amigo said:

Your always going to have teams buying trophies the only argument seems to be where is the money coming from?

United bought the best players for years but obviously did make a lot of the money themselves. Blackburn bought the title and would never have won the league without Jack Walker. Take mega rich owners out of it and you'd probably still have 2 teams competing for the title every year, Liverpool and the other side of Manchester, with nobody else ever having the opportunity to challenge (apart from maybe a freak Leicester season which happened even now).

Let them crack on. FFP is a load of rubbish, if clubs want to take a gamble with a rich owner to be more competitive just let them.

Liverpool with the mega rich owner who bought them the most expensive goalie and defender in history ?

[Amigo]

Jul 13, 2020 14:41:55 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Jul 13, 2020 14:32:20 GMT 1 Amigo said:

Your always going to have teams buying trophies the only argument seems to be where is the money coming from?

United bought the best players for years but obviously did make a lot of the money themselves. Blackburn bought the title and would never have won the league without Jack Walker. Take mega rich owners out of it and you'd probably still have 2 teams competing for the title every year, Liverpool and the other side of Manchester, with nobody else ever having the opportunity to challenge (apart from maybe a freak Leicester season which happened even now).

Let them crack on. FFP is a load of rubbish, if clubs want to take a gamble with a rich owner to be more competitive just let them.

Liverpool with the mega rich owner who bought them the most expensive goalie and defender in history ?

To be fair they've made a lot of money selling absolute shite, Solanke is an obvious example but there's loads of others. If we're going off fan base and global income then as much as I dislike the poor little victims they'd be top 2 every single year.

[Deleted]

Jul 13, 2020 14:41:55 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Jul 13, 2020 14:32:20 GMT 1 Amigo said:

Your always going to have teams buying trophies the only argument seems to be where is the money coming from?

United bought the best players for years but obviously did make a lot of the money themselves. Blackburn bought the title and would never have won the league without Jack Walker. Take mega rich owners out of it and you'd probably still have 2 teams competing for the title every year, Liverpool and the other side of Manchester, with nobody else ever having the opportunity to challenge (apart from maybe a freak Leicester season which happened even now).

Let them crack on. FFP is a load of rubbish, if clubs want to take a gamble with a rich owner to be more competitive just let them.

Liverpool with the mega rich owner who bought them the most expensive goalie and defender in history ?

That money was pretty much self generated through the sale of Coutinho.

Liverpool have been incredibly smart with their recruitment the last 4-5 years, both on and off the pitch.

[bogart]

Jul 13, 2020 13:10:42 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

I'm no fan of sportwashing but lets not pretend UEFA aren't corrupt either. Would it be all that surprising if the charge was crap? Would Real Madrid or Barca faced the same charges for the same 'offence'?

Who knows? Reminds me now must look out that Rolex in my garage.

[bogart]

Jul 13, 2020 14:06:33 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 13, 2020 13:29:40 GMT 1 Champers said:

Cry more.

Glad they've been successful. Something else for the more traditional big clubs to whine about now other clubs are able to find/fund a way to compete.

Not one single Town fan would give a fuck if we'd been as fortunate as City have been to find a backer who not only turned us into Champions League regulars overnight but also threw literally millions of pounds into local area projects. Jealousy is an ugly trait.

I think youre right.

To a much lesser degree we did the same when Dean Hoyle took us over and started pumping in millions whilst we were in league 1.
It took a few seasons but we effectively bought our way up out of the division using money we couldnt have raised ourselves.
No Town fan was complaining.

City have have buying trophies for a few years now.
The real prize though is the reflected glory on the people who own it and their country. Thats what theyre paying for. The club itself is little more than a corporate branding tool for Abu Dhabi.
Perhaps its the reluctance to admit that, which gets people backs up?
That they like to portray themselves as a football club, earning their place at the top of the game?

Maybe the time is right to just say that any club can be bought by anyone and they can pump in however much money they want to?
Theres only really room for a couple of multi billionaires to do that in each country though ( no one wants to spend billions and finish 3rd ) so it could well turn into a two horse race between who wants to buy it more.

Having a free for all might be the easiest way about it. Forget this FFP crap as it can be ridden over without much problem, especially with a good legal team. Sad but true, anyway I do not give a shite if City are in Europe or not.

[Captainslapper]

Jul 13, 2020 14:29:14 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

Jul 13, 2020 14:06:33 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

I think youre right.

To a much lesser degree we did the same when Dean Hoyle took us over and started pumping in millions whilst we were in league 1.
It took a few seasons but we effectively bought our way up out of the division using money we couldnt have raised ourselves.
No Town fan was complaining.

City have have buying trophies for a few years now.
The real prize though is the reflected glory on the people who own it and their country. Thats what theyre paying for. The club itself is little more than a corporate branding tool for Abu Dhabi.
Perhaps its the reluctance to admit that, which gets people backs up?
That they like to portray themselves as a football club, earning their place at the top of the game?

Maybe the time is right to just say that any club can be bought by anyone and they can pump in however much money they want to?
Theres only really room for a couple of multi billionaires to do that in each country though ( no one wants to spend billions and finish 3rd ) so it could well turn into a two horse race between who wants to buy it more.

As barmy as it sounds, I know a City fan who harks back to the 'good old days' when they were skint and shit. I suppose there's a bit of that in our human nature.

On our recent trips to the Etihad, I was surprised by how flat and passionless it was. They were surreal days out and nothing like the Wild West of Maine Road. It felt like a contrived event, a bit like a day out in a theme park.

On the pitch, them and Liverpool are now too good. They are like the biggest, baddest bullies in a very small playground. Surely, people will tire of it eventually. I wonder how many watched that complete mismatch against Brighton on Saturday night? Even the City lads looked bored by it.

Thats the ultimate problem here.

If it becomes a free for all for some oil rich states to pump in whatever they want, then inevitably the money will only go to a couple of clubs in each country... like i say no multi billionaire is going to throw the kind of money needed to compete with that, only to finish 3rd or 4th every year,
So you end up with a 2 horse race.. the scottish prem, where everyone else is competing for 3rd right from the start.
And for the fans of those two clubs, they are treated to game after game where the opposition sees it as either a chance to rest players in a game they have no chance in, or simply as a game where they'll defend like hell and try not to let their goal difgference take too much of a hammering.
Ive always wondered what keeps celtic fans going to games every week.. the boredom of knowing you are going to win.. again..easily..against some bunch of nobodies that can't hope to compete with you.. Im not sure i could be bothered with that.

Maybe elite european superleague is the answer and this ruling actually moves that a step closer?

[rastrick32]

Jul 13, 2020 15:25:00 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 13, 2020 14:29:14 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

As barmy as it sounds, I know a City fan who harks back to the 'good old days' when they were skint and shit. I suppose there's a bit of that in our human nature.

On our recent trips to the Etihad, I was surprised by how flat and passionless it was. They were surreal days out and nothing like the Wild West of Maine Road. It felt like a contrived event, a bit like a day out in a theme park.

On the pitch, them and Liverpool are now too good. They are like the biggest, baddest bullies in a very small playground. Surely, people will tire of it eventually. I wonder how many watched that complete mismatch against Brighton on Saturday night? Even the City lads looked bored by it.

Thats the ultimate problem here.

If it becomes a free for all for some oil rich states to pump in whatever they want, then inevitably the money will only go to a couple of clubs in each country... like i say no multi billionaire is going to throw the kind of money needed to compete with that, only to finish 3rd or 4th every year,
So you end up with a 2 horse race.. the scottish prem, where everyone else is competing for 3rd right from the start.
And for the fans of those two clubs, they are treated to game after game where the opposition sees it as either a chance to rest players in a game they have no chance in, or simply as a game where they'll defend like hell and try not to let their goal difgference take too much of a hammering.
Ive always wondered what keeps celtic fans going to games every week.. the boredom of knowing you are going to win.. again..easily..against some bunch of nobodies that can't hope to compete with you.. Im not sure i could be bothered with that.

Maybe elite european superleague is the answer and this ruling actually moves that a step closer?

If they desire this European elite league, I wish they'd get on with it. It has been mooted and talked about for years. It probably just needs a bit of momentum as the time seems right.

As for Celtic fans, they usually have a bottle of Buckfast before every match which makes their regulation beatings of Aberdeen, St Johnstone and Hibs all the more enjoyable.

[softboy]

Its all about who can employ the best lawyers so no real suprise.

[galpharm2400]

Just make two rules that a club must pay its suppliers within a set time 100% of what's owed or lose their place in the league, likewise with all non playing staff.

They can then get on with paying footballers what they like and paying fees that could build hospital wings ...

As long as no ordinary people miss out they can spend what they like.

[Bassingham Terrier]

This ruling is the death-knell for FFP.
It's now quite simply a case of the cash-rich clubs doing pretty much what they want and hiring more expensive and better lawyers than UEFA can manage and then walking all over them in the courts.
Football is irretrievably corrupt; it's been broken since 1992 and things can only become worse, I am sorry to say.

[galpharm2400]

Jul 13, 2020 16:34:26 GMT 1 Bassingham Terrier said:

This ruling is the death-knell for FFP.
It's now quite simply a case of the cash-rich clubs doing pretty much what they want and hiring more expensive and better lawyers than UEFA can manage and then walking all over them in the courts.
Football is irretrievably corrupt; it's been broken since 1992 and things can only become worse, I am sorry to say.

Been quite a while since I had full confidence in the referees, bound to be affected like all other human beings involved..?

[araucaria]

Guardiola to be given £150m to spend - just to rub it in.

[bogart]

Where does it say that?

[dm]

Football is becoming less and less entertaining. Cheating once again goes unpunished. The sporting element of the game has evaporated years ago.

[Amigo]

Jul 13, 2020 15:25:00 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 13, 2020 14:29:14 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

As barmy as it sounds, I know a City fan who harks back to the 'good old days' when they were skint and shit. I suppose there's a bit of that in our human nature.

On our recent trips to the Etihad, I was surprised by how flat and passionless it was. They were surreal days out and nothing like the Wild West of Maine Road. It felt like a contrived event, a bit like a day out in a theme park.

On the pitch, them and Liverpool are now too good. They are like the biggest, baddest bullies in a very small playground. Surely, people will tire of it eventually. I wonder how many watched that complete mismatch against Brighton on Saturday night? Even the City lads looked bored by it.

Thats the ultimate problem here.

If it becomes a free for all for some oil rich states to pump in whatever they want, then inevitably the money will only go to a couple of clubs in each country... like i say no multi billionaire is going to throw the kind of money needed to compete with that, only to finish 3rd or 4th every year,
So you end up with a 2 horse race.. the scottish prem, where everyone else is competing for 3rd right from the start.
And for the fans of those two clubs, they are treated to game after game where the opposition sees it as either a chance to rest players in a game they have no chance in, or simply as a game where they'll defend like hell and try not to let their goal difgference take too much of a hammering.
Ive always wondered what keeps celtic fans going to games every week.. the boredom of knowing you are going to win.. again..easily..against some bunch of nobodies that can't hope to compete with you.. Im not sure i could be bothered with that.

Maybe elite european superleague is the answer and this ruling actually moves that a step closer?

Same as this season and last season as well then. We must have had the most boring league on the continent this season. Last season it was a 2 horse race by a mile. The Premier League isn't competitive now, teams sit back to keep he score down as it is and nor would it be if FFP worked. The dream that there would be 4 or 5 teams challenging for the title isn't a reality because the team that wins the league increases their commercial value while the rest decrease.

[Stavros]

Jul 13, 2020 15:25:00 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 13, 2020 14:29:14 GMT 1 rastrick32 said:

As barmy as it sounds, I know a City fan who harks back to the 'good old days' when they were skint and shit. I suppose there's a bit of that in our human nature.

On our recent trips to the Etihad, I was surprised by how flat and passionless it was. They were surreal days out and nothing like the Wild West of Maine Road. It felt like a contrived event, a bit like a day out in a theme park.

On the pitch, them and Liverpool are now too good. They are like the biggest, baddest bullies in a very small playground. Surely, people will tire of it eventually. I wonder how many watched that complete mismatch against Brighton on Saturday night? Even the City lads looked bored by it.

Thats the ultimate problem here.

If it becomes a free for all for some oil rich states to pump in whatever they want, then inevitably the money will only go to a couple of clubs in each country... like i say no multi billionaire is going to throw the kind of money needed to compete with that, only to finish 3rd or 4th every year,
So you end up with a 2 horse race.. the scottish prem, where everyone else is competing for 3rd right from the start.
And for the fans of those two clubs, they are treated to game after game where the opposition sees it as either a chance to rest players in a game they have no chance in, or simply as a game where they'll defend like hell and try not to let their goal difgference take too much of a hammering.
Ive always wondered what keeps celtic fans going to games every week.. the boredom of knowing you are going to win.. again..easily..against some bunch of nobodies that can't hope to compete with you.. Im not sure i could be bothered with that.

Maybe elite european superleague is the answer and this ruling actually moves that a step closer?

I'm all for the Super Euro league as long as there are rules put in place to stop the next Arab buying one of the remaining clubs (Watford or summat) and simply hoovering up all the trophies with them.
Look at what they've done to the French League. Absolutely pointless event now as far as actual competition goes. If a club can't generate giant money it shouldn't be spending giant money on the whim of rich individuals or foreign powers.

[htfc63]

Money talks