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Post by linson on Jul 15, 2020 11:49:47 GMT 1
I don't understand why people don't put the date in the title for match day threads
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 15, 2020 12:07:53 GMT 1
We’re currently playing with players not even putting the minimum effort in ... that may be enough against teams already on the beach and who are equally going through the motions but as we’ve seen it’s very different when we’ve played Wigan, forest and Luton 11 v 11 would be tough but it’s more like 11 v 9 Throw in that we have no goals in the side and. a nil all draw is the very best I’m hoping for Are we really playing with players putting in minimum effort though? Really? Which out of the team yesterday did you not see putting in effort? I saw a team who put their bodies on the line regularly. Grant is the only one whose body language exudes negativity, but he was still chasing and harrying. Don't mistake lack of effort and lack of form/ability. We suffer massively from the latter in my opinion. Equally did you see Town players really busting a gut in there last winnable game in a relegation battle - literally leaving it all on the field Players have been told they have no future at the club, heads have gone and they are ensuring they are fit and able to get jobs next season - it's understandable but we can all see players who are not doing their talents justice since the lockdown Luton didn't beat use because they have better players
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Post by linson on Jul 15, 2020 12:19:03 GMT 1
Are we really playing with players putting in minimum effort though? Really? Which out of the team yesterday did you not see putting in effort? I saw a team who put their bodies on the line regularly. Grant is the only one whose body language exudes negativity, but he was still chasing and harrying. Don't mistake lack of effort and lack of form/ability. We suffer massively from the latter in my opinion. Equally did you see Town players really busting a gut in there last winnable game in a relegation battle - literally leaving it all on the field Players have been told they have no future at the club, heads have gone and they are ensuring they are fit and able to get jobs next season - it's understandable but we can all see players who are not doing their talents justice since the lockdown Luton didn't beat use because they have better players The only thing they're ensuring is that their market value is plummeting. We're making a loss on every single transfer of recent times apart from Grant.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 15, 2020 12:31:24 GMT 1
Equally did you see Town players really busting a gut in there last winnable game in a relegation battle - literally leaving it all on the field Players have been told they have no future at the club, heads have gone and they are ensuring they are fit and able to get jobs next season - it's understandable but we can all see players who are not doing their talents justice since the lockdown Luton didn't beat use because they have better players The only thing they're ensuring is that their market value is plummeting. We're making a loss on every single transfer of recent times apart from Grant. You really think that Grant, after lockdown is increasing his market value?
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 15, 2020 12:45:59 GMT 1
Equally did you see Town players really busting a gut in there last winnable game in a relegation battle - literally leaving it all on the field Players have been told they have no future at the club, heads have gone and they are ensuring they are fit and able to get jobs next season - it's understandable but we can all see players who are not doing their talents justice since the lockdown Luton didn't beat use because they have better players The only thing they're ensuring is that their market value is plummeting. We're making a loss on every single transfer of recent times apart from Grant. Their value plummeting only really affects the club though
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 15, 2020 13:32:23 GMT 1
The only thing they're ensuring is that their market value is plummeting. We're making a loss on every single transfer of recent times apart from Grant. You really think that Grant, after lockdown is increasing his market value? I think his value now will be significantly lower than it was a few months ago (oh for an offer of £15m this summer!), but if we sell him for less than we paid, there's something seriously wrong.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 15, 2020 16:19:32 GMT 1
If we can shithouse another 0-0 it might be enough.
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Post by linson on Jul 15, 2020 17:21:57 GMT 1
The only thing they're ensuring is that their market value is plummeting. We're making a loss on every single transfer of recent times apart from Grant. You really think that Grant, after lockdown is increasing his market value? According to Transfermarkt we bought him for £1.5m... I don't think it's any less than that now, he's one of the Championships top scorers. We're making profit on him if we sell and if we don't someone somewhere needs shooting.
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Post by griffa on Jul 15, 2020 17:40:34 GMT 1
Not normally a fan but PARK THE FUCKING BUS 0-0 will be fantastic. Two draws see's us safe, hopefully Millwall have nothing to play for and the best we can hope on Friday is to play the clock down and make it a snooze fest. Yes please - UTT.
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Post by Ninastian on Jul 15, 2020 19:25:55 GMT 1
How does two draws see us safe? It doesn't.
Only a win guarantees safety.
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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2020 19:40:38 GMT 1
How does two draws see us safe? It doesn't. Only a win guarantees safety. It puts us ahead of Birmingham and means Luton have to win both games.
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Post by Ninastian on Jul 15, 2020 19:57:46 GMT 1
How does two draws see us safe? It doesn't. Only a win guarantees safety. It puts us ahead of Birmingham and means Luton have to win both games. Is it that improbable that Luton beat Hull and Blackburn? And as shit as Birmingham are they're playing teams with nothing to play for after this, you can't bank on them not winning one.
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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2020 20:00:41 GMT 1
It puts us ahead of Birmingham and means Luton have to win both games. Is it that improbable that Luton beat Hull and Blackburn? And as shit as Birmingham are they're playing teams with nothing to play for after this, you can't bank on them not winning one. No, but it means they don't just need a point going to Blackburn.
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Post by midlander on Jul 15, 2020 20:55:57 GMT 1
Are we really playing with players putting in minimum effort though? Really? Which out of the team yesterday did you not see putting in effort? I saw a team who put their bodies on the line regularly. Grant is the only one whose body language exudes negativity, but he was still chasing and harrying. Don't mistake lack of effort and lack of form/ability. We suffer massively from the latter in my opinion. Equally did you see Town players really busting a gut in there last winnable game in a relegation battle - literally leaving it all on the field Players have been told they have no future at the club, heads have gone and they are ensuring they are fit and able to get jobs next season - it's understandable but we can all see players who are not doing their talents justice since the lockdown Luton didn't beat use because they have better players Luton beat us, quite simply because like Wigan and Forest, they scored first. We haven't got the mental strength, after three years of losing most weeks, to fight back. It's a belief thing. You get on a roll and all the little things click. When you are in a rut, thinks get overthought, players take an extra touch, play safe rather than progressive. Cowleys have set us up (let's call it) pragmatically and clearly with a back-to-basics style of low- risk football. It is a very hard watch and the problem with it is that if we go behind, we don't have the set-up or strength to bring it back. The game plan is clearly to try and keep clean sheets and eke out a narrow win. I do believe Cowley when he says the players care. Just think labelling the players as lacking in effort is a crass misrepresentation of a much deeper malaise that's been running through the club since Xmas 2018.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 15, 2020 21:26:16 GMT 1
Equally did you see Town players really busting a gut in there last winnable game in a relegation battle - literally leaving it all on the field Players have been told they have no future at the club, heads have gone and they are ensuring they are fit and able to get jobs next season - it's understandable but we can all see players who are not doing their talents justice since the lockdown Luton didn't beat use because they have better players Luton beat us, quite simply because like Wigan and Forest, they scored first. We haven't got the mental strength, after three years of losing most weeks, to fight back. It's a belief thing. You get on a roll and all the little things click. When you are in a rut, thinks get overthought, players take an extra touch, play safe rather than progressive. Cowleys have set us up (let's call it) pragmatically and clearly with a back-to-basics style of low- risk football. It is a very hard watch and the problem with it is that if we go behind, we don't have the set-up or strength to bring it back. The game plan is clearly to try and keep clean sheets and eke out a narrow win. I do believe Cowley when he says the players care. Just think labelling the players as lacking in effort is a crass misrepresentation of a much deeper malaise that's been running through the club since Xmas 2018. The squad turnover has been massive in the last two seasons King, willock, ESR, stearman and toffolo only signed this year. Others signed at the start of the season. I agree Hogg and Schindler look spent here but the majority can’t point to losing streaks at a club they didn’t play for as an excuse Chalobah only turned 21 a couple of weeks back. Got relegated with Ipswich last year and wont be a town player in 8 days time. Yet he shames many of the others with his commitment and attitude IMO
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Post by ACW on Jul 15, 2020 21:28:04 GMT 1
You really think that Grant, after lockdown is increasing his market value? I think his value now will be significantly lower than it was a few months ago (oh for an offer of £15m this summer!), but if we sell him for less than we paid, there's something seriously wrong. We'll never know. When he's sold it will be for yet another 'undisclosed' amount.
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Post by midlander on Jul 15, 2020 23:56:16 GMT 1
[/quote]The squad turnover has been massive in the last two seasons
King, willock, ESR, stearman and toffolo only signed this year. Others signed at the start of the season.
I agree Hogg and Schindler look spent here but the majority can’t point to losing streaks at a club they didn’t play for as an excuse
Chalobah only turned 21 a couple of weeks back. Got relegated with Ipswich last year and wont be a town player in 8 days time. Yet he shames many of the others with his commitment and attitude IMO [/quote] That's a fair point but at the same time, there are still other players here who are used to losing: Stankovic, Kachunga, Quaner, Lössl, Pritchard, Grant, O'Brien all had negative experiences last year. The Cowleys do have to shoulder some of the blame with their stoic resistance to deviating from the same structure even within games. Maybe it's blind faith, but I genuinely think we will be a different proposition next season - just fingers crossed that we can get over the line this year first. Agree with how impressive Chalobah has been since getting back in the side as well.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 16, 2020 0:09:24 GMT 1
The squad turnover has been massive in the last two seasons King, willock, ESR, stearman and toffolo only signed this year. Others signed at the start of the season. I agree Hogg and Schindler look spent here but the majority can’t point to losing streaks at a club they didn’t play for as an excuse Chalobah only turned 21 a couple of weeks back. Got relegated with Ipswich last year and wont be a town player in 8 days time. Yet he shames many of the others with his commitment and attitude IMO [/quote] That's a fair point but at the same time, there are still other players here who are used to losing: Stankovic, Kachunga, Quaner, Lössl, Pritchard, Grant, O'Brien all had negative experiences last year. The Cowleys do have to shoulder some of the blame with their stoic resistance to deviating from the same structure even within games. Maybe it's blind faith, but I genuinely think we will be a different proposition next season - just fingers crossed that we can get over the line this year first. Agree with how impressive Chalobah has been since getting back in the side as well. [/quote] West Brom says you could be right about being a different proposition second season after EPL relegation. Stoke, Middlesbrough and Hull say you could be wrong.
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Post by zmann on Jul 16, 2020 0:51:45 GMT 1
Chin up. Did anyone think we’d get a point against Chelsea?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 16, 2020 9:31:47 GMT 1
The squad turnover has been massive in the last two seasons King, willock, ESR, stearman and toffolo only signed this year. Others signed at the start of the season. I agree Hogg and Schindler look spent here but the majority can’t point to losing streaks at a club they didn’t play for as an excuse Chalobah only turned 21 a couple of weeks back. Got relegated with Ipswich last year and wont be a town player in 8 days time. Yet he shames many of the others with his commitment and attitude IMO [/quote] That's a fair point but at the same time, there are still other players here who are used to losing: Stankovic, Kachunga, Quaner, Lössl, Pritchard, Grant, O'Brien all had negative experiences last year. The Cowleys do have to shoulder some of the blame with their stoic resistance to deviating from the same structure even within games. Maybe it's blind faith, but I genuinely think we will be a different proposition next season - just fingers crossed that we can get over the line this year first. Agree with how impressive Chalobah has been since getting back in the side as well. [/quote] Lossl left for 6 months - so got some respite and then choose to come back for a relegation scrap. He's also been a better performer recently Kachunga always gives his all - unlike many others who I feel are playing within themselves. Sadly he's not the same player since injuries. If others showed Kachunga's commitment we'd be over 50 poins now. EK application has never been an issue IMO Quaner has only played a handful of minutes - for me he should have started some, e.g. Luton which was always going to be a scrap. Again he's a good pro Grant - signed on when relegation was a certainty, he was great before the lockdown, especially at the start of the season when we got cut adrift and things looked bleak. It's pretty clear since the lockdown he's not been the same Pritchard - it's for his moral compass what went over the winter when he was out with a "cist" injury. He's an £11m player and owes Town a lot but blunty Matty Daly has done more than him this season Naturally I hope you're right on the rebuild. In the short term the current team need to rouse themselves for one big performance
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Post by ram on Jul 16, 2020 11:05:25 GMT 1
It,s on Telly. Only 2 likely results really a 0-0 or 0-4...P.S. I,m always wrong.
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Post by sabailand on Jul 16, 2020 16:09:44 GMT 1
Been mentioned a few times about how we haven`t won in front of the sky cameras this season, well how about saving the best for last, lose to Luton and a week later beat west brom, optimistic...maybe but football always throws up surprising scorelines, lets hope so tomorrow!
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Post by linson on Jul 16, 2020 19:39:07 GMT 1
Grant Mounie Toffolo O'Brien Chalobah ESR Bacuna Schindler Stankovic Stearman Lossl
I honestly think this is how we best out of the current crop.
Bacuna and Toffolo are the only ones who could run wing back. Chalobah DCM, O'Brien box-to-box, ESR CAM Grant with a strike partner to work off.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 16, 2020 20:10:39 GMT 1
Grant Mounie Toffolo O'Brien Chalobah ESR Bacuna Schindler Stankovic Stearman Lossl I honestly think this is how we best out of the current crop. Bacuna and Toffolo are the only ones who could run wing back. Chalobah DCM, O'Brien box-to-box, ESR CAM Grant with a strike partner to work off. Wagner 541 formation to keep it tight for at least first 45. No room for flair players who add little defensively. Campbell O'Brien Hogg King Bacuna Toffolo Schindler Stankovic Stearman chalobah Lossl Chalobah is the only form player at RB.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 16, 2020 20:13:49 GMT 1
Grant Mounie Toffolo O'Brien Chalobah ESR Bacuna Schindler Stankovic Stearman Lossl I honestly think this is how we best out of the current crop. Bacuna and Toffolo are the only ones who could run wing back. Chalobah DCM, O'Brien box-to-box, ESR CAM Grant with a strike partner to work off. Wagner 541 formation to keep it tight for at least first 45. No room for flair players who add little defensively. Campbell O'Brien Hogg King Bacuna Toffolo Schindler Stankovic Stearman chalobah Lossl Chalobah is the only form player at RB. Having watched Chalobah in 3 different positions, RB is his only position. One he plays well.
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Post by northnottsblue on Jul 16, 2020 20:25:28 GMT 1
West Brom will be coming at us with everything they’ve got,cos any slip ups on their part will let Brentford into an automatic promotion spot. If we can shithouse another 0-0 that would be brill.If we can sneak a 1-0 win then the white wine‘s coming out.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 16, 2020 20:31:30 GMT 1
West Brom will be coming at us with everything they’ve got,cos any slip ups on their part will let Brentford into an automatic promotion spot. If we can shithouse another 0-0 that would be brill.If we can sneak a 1-0 win then the white wine‘s coming out. Not just the wine. I’ll be on a massive bender tomorrow night if we win this one!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 17, 2020 11:23:45 GMT 1
Anyone wearing their lucky underpants, or are they all in the wash after some 'trigger' events in recent weeks...
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Post by islandterrier9 on Jul 17, 2020 11:28:33 GMT 1
Quite like to see something completely different tonight, expected to lose and our wingers are atrocious so may as well, could be the shake up needed to go and get something. Personally think 4-2-3-1 is a horrible boring formation regardless.
Like to see:
Lossl
Stearman Stankovic Schindler
Chalobah O'brien Toffolo
Pritchard ESR Grant
Mounie
Defend as a 5 and pack out the midfield when we haven't got it. Play forwards faster when we have got it through ESR/pritchard when we d get it. Chalobah and Toffolo wing backs and O'brien holding.
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Post by stevvy on Jul 17, 2020 11:33:35 GMT 1
The result for me comes down to who scores first. If they score first, forget it. There's only Blackburn (twice), Wigan, Swansea and Derby I think where we've come from behind to get anything all season (and only 1 of those was a win). If we score first, who knows, but at least it gives us a chance of getting something.
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