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Post by Larry David on Jul 20, 2020 7:06:16 GMT 1
I cannot fathom any common sense here whatsoever.
Cowley's come in when we are on our back drag our imbalanced squad over the line, get rid of overpaid and quite frankly shite players and get the majority of fans on side. The future for me looked great after WBA, I had a feeling of relief and hope again back especially when you consider many clubs may really struggle this year due to covid. I honestly thought we would be a steady Eddie in the championship and had hopes of consolidation with committee players and honest management.
It seems reading between the lines they were brought in only in case we dropped to L1 and if they managed to keep us up there was a different plan...hence being discarded like a used condom right after a feeling of delight. It's a brutal way to do business and not one that lives and breathes the values of htafc or the many fans.
Is it a takeover, grand plan to get back to the premier League or just a chairman who is easily led by those cronies around him like Marsh and Devlin? He strikes me as a very thin skinned individual and this is very worrying.
One thing is for sure, I don't think I care who this is as it leaves a very sorry taste on the mouth. I think they have lost me and mine over the way this has been handled unless there is a full and frank explanation.
I don't see what he could possibly have done to warrant the chop:
Danny Cowley can speak to other clubs just like agents and players do He can question the budget and ask for more in the kitty He can bin off the top earners who aren't arsed He is the manager and pretty sure when appointed both he and Phil said that
Someone should listen to his many appearances with sycophants on that podcast and see what he said about Cowley's as I can bet you he will contradict himself...yet again.
I'd be impressed if there was a grand plan but there is no evidence to convince me this is more than an over excited man playing football manager for real.
This better not be a PR exercise either akin to the sash incident.
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Post by digs on Jul 20, 2020 7:10:19 GMT 1
you could always wait to see what the explanation is
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 7:12:59 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire.
I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly.
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Post by Larry David on Jul 20, 2020 7:15:42 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. It was a means to and end tho wasn't it. Stay up was more important than playing decent football. Even the most stupid person would understand that right?
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 20, 2020 7:21:21 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. It was a means to and end tho wasn't it. Stay up was more important than playing decent football. Even the most stupid person would understand that right? Undermined by your last comment. Yes it probably was a means to an end but I don’t think there’s any doubt there’s more quality than that in the squad and when the Cowleys got us back on parity and actually moving away from the relegation zone far earlier in the season than probably anyone expected the chance was their to become a bit more expansive. Especially after making the additions in January. No ones expecting Bristol City and Charlton at home every week but there’s been far more Barnsley away and Luton home performances than was deemed acceptable and that’s probably a big factor in this
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 20, 2020 7:26:11 GMT 1
The timing suggests no plan behind it or it's a PP stunt, otherwise they would as a minimum have seen the last game out.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 7:27:24 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. It was a means to and end tho wasn't it. Stay up was more important than playing decent football. Even the most stupid person would understand that right? You calling me stupid?
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Post by Larry David on Jul 20, 2020 7:28:43 GMT 1
It was a means to and end tho wasn't it. Stay up was more important than playing decent football. Even the most stupid person would understand that right? You calling me stupid? Well if you think that playing attractive football was more important than staying up this season, yes I am Biff Tanner
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Post by midlander on Jul 20, 2020 7:30:40 GMT 1
I will reiterate something I posted last night - name me an attacking player at Town who looks like he is enjoying playing football. I wanted and was expecting the Cowleys to be given at least next season to show they could start to turn us into an effective and watchable side. Despite this, the two aspects I had reservations about were their inability to seem to set us up with any cohesive attacking structure and their lack of trust in any of our academy prospects, who were only thrown in out of necessity. We have moved our academy model to be looking at the older age group so we can transition players to the first team more frequently. Bromby helped to drive that and is now in charge of football operations. Another area where the club and Cowleys may have been wanting to follow different paths.
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Post by midlander on Jul 20, 2020 7:34:35 GMT 1
Well if you think that playing attractive football was more important than staying up this season, yes I am Biff Tanner Staying in this division was the main and most important thing, without doubt. I think the frustration lies in the fact that we were 6 points above relegation at Christmas after a clear improvement, and then have really stagnated, huffed and puffed and made life very hard for ourselves despite a very decent January transfer window. We have one of the most exciting young talents in the division in ESR and yet, were we actually decent to watch in most games?
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 7:37:12 GMT 1
Well if you think that playing attractive football was more important than staying up this season, yes I am Biff Tanner So, I'm stupid and a bully? Says you who started another daft, speculative, meaningless thread?
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Post by digs on Jul 20, 2020 7:37:12 GMT 1
Well if you think that playing attractive football was more important than staying up this season, yes I am Biff Tanner Biff Tannen?
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 7:38:47 GMT 1
Well if you think that playing attractive football was more important than staying up this season, yes I am Biff Tanner Biff Tannen? I think he's trying to be clever and failing.
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Post by Larry David on Jul 20, 2020 7:38:57 GMT 1
Well if you think that playing attractive football was more important than staying up this season, yes I am Biff Tanner Biff Tannen? Well at least you know a good film when you see one 😉 Point is that this season staying up was huge and everyone could see that. We have been inconsistent but that is more due to shape of squad for me
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 20, 2020 7:50:08 GMT 1
The timing suggests no plan behind it or it's a PP stunt, otherwise they would as a minimum have seen the last game out. I think the timing suggests the complete opposite, actually.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 20, 2020 8:10:34 GMT 1
The timing suggests no plan behind it or it's a PP stunt, otherwise they would as a minimum have seen the last game out. I think the timing suggests the complete opposite, actually. agree. something is in the offing. you do not just bin a manager like we have without having a plan.
unless we have just binned a manager with no plan which would be very concerning.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 20, 2020 8:10:41 GMT 1
The timing suggests no plan behind it or it's a PP stunt, otherwise they would as a minimum have seen the last game out. Why? The last game is totally immaterial.
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Post by Larry David on Jul 20, 2020 8:12:20 GMT 1
I think the timing suggests the complete opposite, actually. agree. something is in the offing. you do not just bin a manager like we have without having a plan.
unless we have just binned a manager with no plan which would be very concerning.
I think if there is a plan it's very brave but more likely that they had an argument over who called the shots and Phil sacked him...so no plan
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Post by JG Mellor on Jul 20, 2020 8:54:12 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. I don't think it's anything to do with performances. If he'd stuck with Cowley we'd have had a reasonably comfortable 21/22. Something has kicked off here and we might not know the truth until they do their autobiographies.
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Post by JG Mellor on Jul 20, 2020 8:55:11 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. I don't think it's anything to do with performances. If he'd stuck with Cowley we'd have had a reasonably comfortable 21/22. Something has kicked off here and we might not know the truth until they do their autobiographies. That's 20/21!!
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2020 9:09:11 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. Its clearly nothing to do with football is it. Sorry but anyone expecting any manager to come in this season and get the team playing consistently good football is in cloud cuckoo land. It was a case or pragmatism to achieve the objective. Look at the players they had to bring in in January just to get us over the line, they were temp stop gap signings, rejects basically that nobody else wanted for one reason or another. The we had COVID. There was a few of the big gobs on here calling for their sacking like there always is. Fact is over 80% of fans think its a crazy decision. I find it disturbing and worrying, feels like the club is in an absolute state. Its obvious why this has been done and its nothing to do with the quality of the football or the fact we lost the odd game. My opinion is that the goalposts have been moved significantly. Obviously they would have agreed everything and discussed it at length, Phil had to convince them to come on board so the fact its changed drastically in 11 months I find very worrying. It wont be the first hiring/sacking thats occurred inside 12 months either. Maybe we're just hiring complete idiots or maybe there's another reason. The Leeds chap actually sounds quite exciting but if the club is expecting him to get a tune out of the disgraces then they're deluded. Seems a bit obvious going after Bielsa's right hand man and expecting to emulate whats happened at Leeds. A bit like the Jan appointment seemed a bit obvious and naive and proved to be. I was really looking forward to next season, not any more, just seems the club is in an absolute state, reminds me of the Macari sacking actually. I guess we'll see what Phil has to say later.
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 20, 2020 9:27:06 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. I think you’re right about the WBA game but people’s feelings have changed once we were safe. I’ve been one of DCs biggest critics especially after Luton but once we were safe and took a deep breath people could actually see what had been achieved and were genuinely optimistic about them developing their style and team over preseason. Something DC said on numerous occasions was how this was out of necessity And wasn’t how they want to play.
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2020 9:34:52 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. Yeah cos a team in our position should have bossed that game from start to finish, its only West Brom after all, top of the league almost all season whilst we've been at the bottom. The fact we weren't 4-0 up at half time is a damning indictment on the manager, we needed the points after all so should have just won easily. FFS, get real! And whats wrong with the manner of it? Its not the manner of it, its the fact its been done at all.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jul 20, 2020 9:39:56 GMT 1
Who knows? But I think wednesdays performance will show a lot. Its a meaningless game, but if the players come out and play aggressive attractive and imaginative football, it may say a lot.
If they come out and cant be arsed, then were still in the dark.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 9:40:14 GMT 1
I think the West Brom game is clouding a lot of fans judgements about the Cowleys. They were playing with fear and we took advantage in the final 15/20 minutes. Fair play to DC for that but our performances from the restart have been largely dire. I think releasing the Cowleys is probably the right decision. The manner of releasing them has been handled in the usual way by Town. Appallingly. Yeah cos a team in our position should have bossed that game from start to finish, its only West Brom after all, top of the league almost all season whilst we've been at the bottom. The fact we weren't 4-0 up at half time is a damning indictment on the manager, we needed the points after all so should have just won easily. FFS, get real! And whats wrong with the manner of it? Its not the manner of it, its the fact its been done at all. Can you read? Where did I say we should have bossed the game? West Brom were the team playing with fear. Another poster trying to start a fight in an empty room. Mate, keep howling at the moon, you are fucking deluded.
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2020 10:19:23 GMT 1
Yeah cos a team in our position should have bossed that game from start to finish, its only West Brom after all, top of the league almost all season whilst we've been at the bottom. The fact we weren't 4-0 up at half time is a damning indictment on the manager, we needed the points after all so should have just won easily. FFS, get real! And whats wrong with the manner of it? Its not the manner of it, its the fact its been done at all. Can you read? Where did I say we should have bossed the game? West Brom were the team playing with fear. Another poster trying to start a fight in an empty room. Mate, keep howling at the moon, you are fucking deluded. Look at the language used in my post compared to yours and tell me who is trying to start a fight you clown. Anyway back to the debate. What would have constituted an acceptable performance versus West Brom? Or you could just continue to insult me I suppose. Cant you see the irony in your response, no thought not. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 10:32:18 GMT 1
Can you read? Where did I say we should have bossed the game? West Brom were the team playing with fear. Another poster trying to start a fight in an empty room. Mate, keep howling at the moon, you are fucking deluded. Look at the language used in my post compared to yours and tell me who is trying to start a fight you clown. Anyway back to the debate. What would have constituted an acceptable performance versus West Brom? Or you could just continue to insult me I suppose. Cant you see the irony in your response, no thought not. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Listen pal, you started the sarcasm. You didn't read my post properly. You reacted aggressively and then spin the blame. FFS - language? And now I'm the clown? Do you act like this in real life? Do me a favour, read my initial post and then read your response? Which one was measured? Which one was reactive? Which one provides an opinion? Which one looks to ridicule? Crucially, which one do the majority of forum readers support? I don't want to fall out with folk but you clearly started it and are now using the usual tactics employed by someone who won't or doesn't know how to back down. Shall I show you how it is done? I'm sorry for calling you deluded. I'm sorry for inferring that you are itching for an argument. However, I am not sorry for offering an opinion shared by lots of other disillusioned Town fans. Over to you Roy...
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Post by JG Mellor on Jul 20, 2020 10:39:28 GMT 1
Look at the language used in my post compared to yours and tell me who is trying to start a fight you clown. Anyway back to the debate. What would have constituted an acceptable performance versus West Brom? Or you could just continue to insult me I suppose. Cant you see the irony in your response, no thought not. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Listen pal, you started the sarcasm. You didn't read my post properly. You reacted aggressively and then spin the blame. FFS - language? And now I'm the clown? Do you act like this in real life? Do me a favour, read my initial post and then read your response? Which one was measured? Which one was reactive? Which one provides an opinion? Which one looks to ridicule? Crucially, which one do the majority of forum readers support? I don't want to fall out with folk but you clearly started it and are now using the usual tactics employed by someone who won't or doesn't know how to back down. Shall I show you how it is done? I'm sorry for calling you deluded. I'm sorry for inferring that you are itching for an argument. However, I am not sorry for offering an opinion shared by lots of other disillusioned Town fans. Over to you Roy... I support not letting you two out of your play pen until you behave yourselves
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 10:41:41 GMT 1
Listen pal, you started the sarcasm. You didn't read my post properly. You reacted aggressively and then spin the blame. FFS - language? And now I'm the clown? Do you act like this in real life? Do me a favour, read my initial post and then read your response? Which one was measured? Which one was reactive? Which one provides an opinion? Which one looks to ridicule? Crucially, which one do the majority of forum readers support? I don't want to fall out with folk but you clearly started it and are now using the usual tactics employed by someone who won't or doesn't know how to back down. Shall I show you how it is done? I'm sorry for calling you deluded. I'm sorry for inferring that you are itching for an argument. However, I am not sorry for offering an opinion shared by lots of other disillusioned Town fans. Over to you Roy... I support not letting you two out of your play pen until you behave yourselves He started it.....😍
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Post by melbourneterrier on Jul 20, 2020 10:46:08 GMT 1
I was completely caught off guard and it left a sour taste for me, given they did their job and kept us up.
However, after sleeping on it, while disappointed, I'm waiting for clarity Let's see who they bring in Let's see if it is this rumoured takeover Let's see if DC or NC have anything to say, they've be mightily quiet Let's see how quick they get a new club
Concerned yet oddly excited to see how this next week pans out
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