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Post by JG Mellor on Jul 20, 2020 10:47:20 GMT 1
I support not letting you two out of your play pen until you behave yourselves He started it.....đ Now that's funny..Thanks for brightening up my boring Monday morning working from home  |
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2020 11:31:07 GMT 1
Look at the language used in my post compared to yours and tell me who is trying to start a fight you clown. Anyway back to the debate. What would have constituted an acceptable performance versus West Brom? Or you could just continue to insult me I suppose. Cant you see the irony in your response, no thought not. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Listen pal, you started the sarcasm. You didn't read my post properly. You reacted aggressively and then spin the blame. FFS - language? And now I'm the clown? Do you act like this in real life? Do me a favour, read my initial post and then read your response? Which one was measured? Which one was reactive? Which one provides an opinion? Which one looks to ridicule? Crucially, which one do the majority of forum readers support? I don't want to fall out with folk but you clearly started it and are now using the usual tactics employed by someone who won't or doesn't know how to back down. Shall I show you how it is done? I'm sorry for calling you deluded. I'm sorry for inferring that you are itching for an argument. However, I am not sorry for offering an opinion shared by lots of other disillusioned Town fans. Over to you Roy... I think perhaps you don't like people disagreeing with you. My post certainly didn't look to ridicule, sorry if it came across that way! Feel free to shoot down my opinion and be as sarcastic as you like but don't start name calling because I dared to disagree with you and then accuse me of wanting to start a fight, being deluded and howling at the moon! Spot the irony! I did read your post properly and it seemed to me you were inferring they got lucky with the West Brom result which I strongly disagree with, hence my reply. My posts are often direct I guess particularly when its something I'm passionate about but never, ever personal or aggressive and I don't call names. If my post contains FFS its not personal or aggressive! You telling me I'm out to start a fight, howl at the moon and whatever else it was is personal and uncalled for IMO! Anyway let's not argue, the news on Sunday has stressed me out enough! First two days in a long time I've been content with all things Town then this! Got to admit it ruined my Sunday! |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 12:08:12 GMT 1
Listen pal, you started the sarcasm. You didn't read my post properly. You reacted aggressively and then spin the blame. FFS - language? And now I'm the clown? Do you act like this in real life? Do me a favour, read my initial post and then read your response? Which one was measured? Which one was reactive? Which one provides an opinion? Which one looks to ridicule? Crucially, which one do the majority of forum readers support? I don't want to fall out with folk but you clearly started it and are now using the usual tactics employed by someone who won't or doesn't know how to back down. Shall I show you how it is done? I'm sorry for calling you deluded. I'm sorry for inferring that you are itching for an argument. However, I am not sorry for offering an opinion shared by lots of other disillusioned Town fans. Over to you Roy... I think perhaps you don't like people disagreeing with you. My post certainly didn't look to ridicule, sorry if it came across that way! Feel free to shoot down my opinion and be as sarcastic as you like but don't start name calling because I dared to disagree with you and then accuse me of wanting to start a fight, being deluded and howling at the moon! Spot the irony! I did read your post properly and it seemed to me you were inferring they got lucky with the West Brom result which I strongly disagree with, hence my reply. My posts are often direct I guess particularly when its something I'm passionate about but never, ever personal or aggressive and I don't call names. If my post contains FFS its not personal or aggressive! You telling me I'm out to start a fight, howl at the moon and whatever else it was is personal and uncalled for IMO! Anyway let's not argue, the news on Sunday has stressed me out enough! First two days in a long time I've been content with all things Town then this! Got to admit it ruined my Sunday! Agreed fella, it's over. Virtual handshake! đ¤ |
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Post by bogart on Jul 20, 2020 13:30:40 GMT 1
you could always wait to see what the explanation is The sooner the better if for no better reason than to quash all the rumours. |
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Post by bogart on Jul 20, 2020 13:32:08 GMT 1
I cannot fathom any common sense here whatsoever. Cowley's come in when we are on our back drag our imbalanced squad over the line, get rid of overpaid and quite frankly shite players and get the majority of fans on side. The future for me looked great after WBA, I had a feeling of relief and hope again back especially when you consider many clubs may really struggle this year due to covid. I honestly thought we would be a steady Eddie in the championship and had hopes of consolidation with committee players and honest management. It seems reading between the lines they were brought in only in case we dropped to L1 and if they managed to keep us up there was a different plan...hence being discarded like a used condom right after a feeling of delight. It's a brutal way to do business and not one that lives and breathes the values of htafc or the many fans. Is it a takeover, grand plan to get back to the premier League or just a chairman who is easily led by those cronies around him like Marsh and Devlin? He strikes me as a very thin skinned individual and this is very worrying. One thing is for sure, I don't think I care who this is as it leaves a very sorry taste on the mouth. I think they have lost me and mine over the way this has been handled unless there is a full and frank explanation. I don't see what he could possibly have done to warrant the chop: Danny Cowley can speak to other clubs just like agents and players do He can question the budget and ask for more in the kitty He can bin off the top earners who aren't arsed He is the manager and pretty sure when appointed both he and Phil said that Someone should listen to his many appearances with sycophants on that podcast and see what he said about Cowley's as I can bet you he will contradict himself...yet again. I'd be impressed if there was a grand plan but there is no evidence to convince me this is more than an over excited man playing football manager for real. This better not be a PR exercise either akin to the sash incident. 'hence being discarded like a used condom ' My some people are so wasteful wash it out and start again last for years if treated well! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 14:15:16 GMT 1
agree. something is in the offing. you do not just bin a manager like we have without having a plan. unless we have just binned a manager with no plan which would be very concerning. 8-|
I think if there is a plan it's very brave but more likely that they had an argument over who called the shots and Phil sacked him...so no plan If that were the case wouldnât we be inviting applicants? |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 20, 2020 14:24:24 GMT 1
Just put Sky news on and they confirmed the link with CorberĂĄn. If it happens it seems CorberĂĄn would be very much the first team coach, not the manager, with the emphasis being on the development of players.
This, presumably, would put responsibility for player recruitment in the hands of a group led by Josh Marsh (including Hodgkinson?) that has failed miserably in that task for the last two years.
Not sure I like that.
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Post by specialun on Jul 20, 2020 14:26:39 GMT 1
Just put Sky news on and they confirmed the link with CorberĂĄn. If it happens it seems CorberĂĄn would be very much the first team coach, not the manager, with the emphasis being on the development of players. This, presumably, would put responsibility for player recruitment in the hands of a group led by Josh Marsh (including Hodgkinson?) that has failed miserably in that task for the last two years. Not sure I like that. Recruitment led by Josh Marsh and Leigh Bromby ... wowzers The group would have to extend to Devlin Hodgkinson should have no input Edit - The excellent Josh Marsh as PH was at pains to tell us last year |
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 20, 2020 14:30:37 GMT 1
Josh Marsh is still at the club? Isnt he the bloke that finds players on the computer? How was he not the first out? I thought we got shut when we got rid of the director of football.
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2020 15:00:15 GMT 1
Just put Sky news on and they confirmed the link with CorberĂĄn. If it happens it seems CorberĂĄn would be very much the first team coach, not the manager, with the emphasis being on the development of players. This, presumably, would put responsibility for player recruitment in the hands of a group led by Josh Marsh (including Hodgkinson?) that has failed miserably in that task for the last two years. Not sure I like that. Head still well and truly in the sand it seems. A return of the famous 'football forum'? Lessons learned = 0. This would be funny if it was Leeds and not Town. Looking forward to some more incoming non league gems like last summer and the coaches magically turning the academy lads into Championship quality players. Cos thats how it happens isnt it, its not scouting the best talent its simply coaching them and having a first team coach that will give them a chance. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2020 15:02:18 GMT 1
Josh Marsh is still at the club? Isnt he the bloke that finds players on the computer? How was he not the first out? I thought we got shut when we got rid of the director of football. Phil was raving about Josh Marsh wasn't he, not quite sure what he's basing his faith on based on 90% of recent signings being utter shyte. I'm not saying its his fault but I dont see how you can decide he's doing a good job. |
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Post by iangreaves on Jul 20, 2020 15:05:37 GMT 1
Recruitment has been the biggest failing at the club for the last couple of years. Isn't doing the same thing over again and expecting a different outcome the definition of insanity?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:05:52 GMT 1
Phil has clearly had Corberan lined up for a while. Heâd made an agreement with leeds chairman that heâd be released to a at seasons end.
After a somewhat shaky start weâre now starting to see what Philâs Town tenure will look like- with a complete football culture reinvention that all the players can get behind.
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2020 15:08:51 GMT 1
Phil has clearly had Corberan lined up for a while. Heâd made an agreement with leeds chairman that heâd be released to a at seasons end. After a somewhat shaky start weâre now starting to see what Philâs Town tenure will look like- with a complete football culture reinvention that all the players can get behind. ..but a completely different direction to the one he was willing to pay a kings ransom for less than 12 months ago? Excuse me for not being filled with confidence. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 20, 2020 15:10:48 GMT 1
Phil has clearly had Corberan lined up for a while. Heâd made an agreement with leeds chairman that heâd be released to a at seasons end. After a somewhat shaky start weâre now starting to see what Philâs Town tenure will look like- with a complete football culture reinvention that all the players can get behind. why do you know this? Where is your proof?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:12:46 GMT 1
Phil has clearly had Corberan lined up for a while. Heâd made an agreement with leeds chairman that heâd be released to a at seasons end. After a somewhat shaky start weâre now starting to see what Philâs Town tenure will look like- with a complete football culture reinvention that all the players can get behind. why do you know this? Where is your proof?
I smell something and it ain't flowers.
Leeds Chairman in the Daily Hate. Google Town, Leeds Corberan like I did last night. Weâre in advanced talks. Read between the lines this was a done deal. PHil hasnât sacked Cowleys on a whim. He had Corberan lined up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:15:30 GMT 1
Phil has clearly had Corberan lined up for a while. Heâd made an agreement with leeds chairman that heâd be released to a at seasons end. After a somewhat shaky start weâre now starting to see what Philâs Town tenure will look like- with a complete football culture reinvention that all the players can get behind. ..but a completely different direction to the one he was willing to pay a kings ransom for less than 12 months ago? Excuse me for not being filled with confidence. I think from Philâs pov he was underwhelmed by the Cowleysâ tactical abilities. Inability to pick their best team or really bring any improvement from any of the big earners at the club. Their tenure was all about ESR and we canât rely on that. I donât think the Cowleys footballing approach whatever that was- and I genuinely donât know what it was, has been evident or successfully embedded at Town. Thatâs maybe what Phil has seen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:25:08 GMT 1
Just put Sky news on and they confirmed the link with CorberĂĄn. If it happens it seems CorberĂĄn would be very much the first team coach, not the manager, with the emphasis being on the development of players. This, presumably, would put responsibility for player recruitment in the hands of a group led by Josh Marsh (including Hodgkinson?) that has failed miserably in that task for the last two years. Not sure I like that. If you have Sky have a look at the sports section and thereâs an on demand âAt Home With Huddersfield Townâ episode about 30 mins long filmed with the Cowleys whilst football was paused, itâs worth a look. They intimate they brought in their own pair of recruitment guys just before the shut down, that theyâd worked with before in the lower leagues. Maybe their output and the Cowleys forward planning vision is more in line with bringing in the kind of lower league British players (theyre familair with) that are highly unlikely to result in a positive disruptive influence with us being up towards the top of this division. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:33:09 GMT 1
Phil has clearly had Corberan lined up for a while. Heâd made an agreement with leeds chairman that heâd be released to a at seasons end. After a somewhat shaky start weâre now starting to see what Philâs Town tenure will look like- with a complete football culture reinvention that all the players can get behind. why do you know this? Where is your proof? I smell something and it ain't flowers.
Itâs referred to in the Leedslive link that he was sounded out around a month back but talks were rightly put on hold whilst he had an important job to do supporting their drive to promotion. Our victory on Friday which secured their promotion (and our safety) just got things moving again thatâs all. It feels potentially VERY measured and targeted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 16:02:12 GMT 1
Football fans tend to be a bit reactionary. PH will not have sacked them in a row, heâll have had an alternative approach planned.
All heâs done is back the Cowleys with expensive loanees some good some not so good and Toffolo who is promising.
We need quality in wide areas and find a way to get O Brien, Bacuna, Grant, Prichard and co playing together because these are very capable championship players. I think PH had lost faith in Dannyâs Ling term vision and also wanted more control over transfers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 16:28:10 GMT 1
It very much looks like he identified the Cowleysâ as the perfect short term, no nonsense chaps to kick some life into the side and keep us up.
Job done.
He has ruthlessly moved onto the long term plan of building under a more progressive coach, giving him a full pre-season, full transfer window and more squad space than was possible in September.
All seems very calculated to me.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 20, 2020 16:41:10 GMT 1
My thoughts are very much along lines of DC was there to keep us up and then do the job should we get relegated, never long term plan to keep them if we stay up....that is the only logical explanation otherwise something major happened very quickly that we have no theory for.......!!!brutal plan, but it's business.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 17:52:30 GMT 1
My thoughts are very much along lines of DC was there to keep us up and then do the job should we get relegated, never long term plan to keep them if we stay up....that is the only logical explanation otherwise something major happened very quickly that we have no theory for.......!!!brutal plan, but it's business..... And given that Leeds have clarified we had been talking over a month ago - then by your logic "nothing major has happened very quickly" and its all decisive planned action. I think PH has earned some leeway to see what happens into the first few months of next season rather than the instant vitriol and ridiculous commentary we're seeing all over the place about this being one of the worst/oddest/maddest decision ever made by an egotistical maniac. I don't naturally like him as a person, he doesn't come across as very affable, his communication skills are a bit sketchy to say the least for someone in his position, BUT - with a little bit of hindsight pretty much everything he's done at Town so far can be seen to be reasoned and sensible given the UNKNOWN constraints that we're operating under as a result of his takeover (which may be utterly negligible as far as we know) and exaggerated by the general business-destabilising coronavirus situation. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 20, 2020 20:02:21 GMT 1
It very much looks like he identified the Cowleysâ as the perfect short term, no nonsense chaps to kick some life into the side and keep us up. Job done. He has ruthlessly moved onto the long term plan of building under a more progressive coach, giving him a full pre-season, full transfer window and more squad space than was possible in September. All seems very calculated to me. Doubt he'd have gone back following the rejection and let them tear up the clubs blueprint if he only fancied em hanging around for a few months.. Things change |
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