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Post by crux on Jul 27, 2020 10:02:00 GMT 1
Ah great so that rules out us getting any top talent from the premier league clubs! No it doesn't. It reads as though we are going back to using at least SOME of the loans as being 'try before you buy' type loans, such as the original deals for Flo, Kachunga and Lossl mentioned above. It doesn't say ALL loans will be like that. I'm sure if Arsenal were to offer us ESR for next season, we'd be interested - although maybe not at the rumoured £1m loan fee plus wages it cost this season!
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 27, 2020 10:04:07 GMT 1
That makes sense. Must admit, I hadn't realised how much we'd paid for ESR. I don't regret it but as good a player & character as he was, it's a lot to pay for less than 20 appearances & developing another club's asset. Under normal circumstances it might be better to take on a player that's less likely to make a big club's first team. Someone not quite as good, but that we might be able to sign permanently & then develop ourselves. ESR is likely to make it in Arsenal's 1st team. Chalobah, I'd be very surprised to see him as a Chelsea regular (but he did enough towards the latter part of the season to suggest he could be a huge asset at this level). Based on that I'd rather have Trevoh back next season than ESR.
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Post by basil on Jul 27, 2020 10:08:22 GMT 1
Ah great so that rules out us getting any top talent from the premier league clubs! £1.0M for half a season? There has to be a very pressing need before going down that line. Hopefully we can find better ways to work.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 27, 2020 10:30:44 GMT 1
Ah great so that rules out us getting any top talent from the premier league clubs! £1.0M for half a season? There has to be a very pressing need before going down that line. Hopefully we can find better ways to work. There was. We’d have been relegated without him in my opinion. We simply didn’t have a player comfortable with the ball in the middle of the park. Relegation would have been way more costly than ESRs fee and wages.
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Post by basil on Jul 27, 2020 10:37:00 GMT 1
£1.0M for half a season? There has to be a very pressing need before going down that line. Hopefully we can find better ways to work. There was. We’d have been relegated without him in my opinion. We simply didn’t have a player comfortable with the ball in the middle of the park. Relegation would have been way more costly than ESRs fee and wages. I agree, but for the future we need to be smarter to avoid the need for such drastic measures.
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Post by boooothy on Jul 27, 2020 10:42:36 GMT 1
That’s another million you can take off what we got for Mooy.
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Post by ram on Jul 27, 2020 11:00:33 GMT 1
I am sure Dean will lend Phil. some pocket money for transfers,after all he is his best mate,and a fan as well
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Post by ldotm on Jul 27, 2020 11:13:21 GMT 1
I actually find that article pretty positive. If you rely too heavily on loans it’s hard to get that consistency in the squad and if your loan players are your best players, you are either losing them the next year or spending the majority of your budget recruiting them permanently but not actually improving the squad.
Let’s face it we aren’t going to turn down someone with the ilk of ESR but the focus is to get players that once we’ve tested them, we shouldn’t have too much of an issue tying them down, which is smart business.
As long as we aren’t putting an obligation to buy them like Mbenza, it’s a solid method. It also puts a bit more hope in the fact we are going to be recruiting more players permanently based off that comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 11:21:46 GMT 1
They have 2 weeks to bring in most of the recruitment. Needs action now, not cheap talk. It "should" be a couple of busy weeks coming up. Let's hope we can get players here and settled before pre-season starts. some plavers are on holiday indeed but don't let that stop the panic!
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 27, 2020 11:35:17 GMT 1
leopardsactu.com/trois-clubs-en-pro-league-surveillent-de-pres-isaac-mbenza/Few clubs after mbenza in Belgium European media claim Club Brugge, Royal Sporting Club Anderlecht and Antwerp are keen to bring in the 24-year-old in search of playing time to jumpstart his career after a difficult season. Nevertheless, the leaders of Anderlecht would have taken action by meeting the player's representatives but will have to pull the rug out from under the feet of the competition against Brugge and Antwerp on the case. At that point, Isaac Mbenza returned to Huddersfield Town after his six-month loan spell in Ligue 1 last season at Amiens relegated to League 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 11:35:32 GMT 1
I actually find that article pretty positive. If you rely too heavily on loans it’s hard to get that consistency in the squad and if your loan players are your best players, you are either losing them the next year or spending the majority of your budget recruiting them permanently but not actually improving the squad. Let’s face it we aren’t going to turn down someone with the ilk of ESR but the focus is to get players that once we’ve tested them, we shouldn’t have too much of an issue tying them down, which is smart business. As long as we aren’t putting an obligation to buy them like Mbenza, it’s a solid method. It also puts a bit more hope in the fact we are going to be recruiting more players permanently based off that comment. its a more sensible way that's for sure but he does not rule out the other option either. getting any of the ones we have had permantly is a non starter so get real and deal with the situation as it is and as I have said before as others have there are lots of clubs in a far worse position than us.
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Post by griffa on Jul 27, 2020 11:59:06 GMT 1
Apologies to fellow Town fans, don't want to mention L666ds! However the lad we've been linked with, looks like a good prospect! Googled him, worth while exercise! It led me to interesting stuff about Carlos's success with L66ds U23's,which I was unaware off! In turn this lead to looking at one of their outstanding Academy Players - Ryan Edmundson. That name rang a bell, googled him, too, much to my horror, I discovered that he'd been released by HTAFC in 2015. He signed for York City & subsequently signed for Beeston! According to googled he scored 18 goals last season, for their U23's! is going on at our Academy? - UTT.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 27, 2020 12:18:43 GMT 1
Apologies to fellow Town fans, don't want to mention L666ds! However the lad we've been linked with, looks like a good prospect! Googled him, worth while exercise! It led me to interesting stuff about Carlos's success with L66ds U23's,which I was unaware off! In turn this lead to looking at one of their outstanding Academy Players - Ryan Edmundson. That name rang a bell, googled him, too, much to my horror, I discovered that he'd been released by HTAFC in 2015. He signed for York City & subsequently signed for Beeston! According to googled he scored 18 goals last season, for their U23's! is going on at our Academy? - UTT. Which is probably why we are bringing in Carlos. I see some of these Leeds players are talking about signing a contract with Leeds and going straight out on loan. I wonder if the article about Town and their loan process is designed to make these young players think twice about signing another contract and taking the opportunity that is being given to them, rather than bench warming.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:23:12 GMT 1
Apologies to fellow Town fans, don't want to mention L666ds! However the lad we've been linked with, looks like a good prospect! Googled him, worth while exercise! It led me to interesting stuff about Carlos's success with L66ds U23's,which I was unaware off! In turn this lead to looking at one of their outstanding Academy Players - Ryan Edmundson. That name rang a bell, googled him, too, much to my horror, I discovered that he'd been released by HTAFC in 2015. He signed for York City & subsequently signed for Beeston! According to googled he scored 18 goals last season, for their U23's! is going on at our Academy? - UTT. ifyou new about our club you would know the academy has been totally revamped in the last two years that is why we are getting more players who are nearer to the first team than for years. obviously you don't know that are you woudnt ask what is going on at our academy? like many you spout of about the club and have no idea what has happened.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 27, 2020 12:39:15 GMT 1
Apologies to fellow Town fans, don't want to mention L666ds! However the lad we've been linked with, looks like a good prospect! Googled him, worth while exercise! It led me to interesting stuff about Carlos's success with L66ds U23's,which I was unaware off! In turn this lead to looking at one of their outstanding Academy Players - Ryan Edmundson. That name rang a bell, googled him, too, much to my horror, I discovered that he'd been released by HTAFC in 2015. He signed for York City & subsequently signed for Beeston! According to googled he scored 18 goals last season, for their U23's! is going on at our Academy? - UTT. ifyou new about our club you would know the academy has been totally revamped in the last two years that is why we are getting more players who are nearer to the first team than for years. obviously you don't know that are you woudnt ask what is going on at our academy? like many you spout of about the club and have no idea what has happened. No need to be all pious and arrogant. Edmundson leaving in 2015 is well before the academy restructuring. In fact Edmundson is a couple of months older than Matty Daly, so it’s more of a “how did we miss this kid?” And worse, “how did he end up at that lot up the road banging goals in?” Be better off just using one of your generic lines like, “maybe it just didn’t work out for him here. That’s football.”
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 27, 2020 12:54:29 GMT 1
Apologies to fellow Town fans, don't want to mention L666ds! However the lad we've been linked with, looks like a good prospect! Googled him, worth while exercise! It led me to interesting stuff about Carlos's success with L66ds U23's,which I was unaware off! In turn this lead to looking at one of their outstanding Academy Players - Ryan Edmundson. That name rang a bell, googled him, too, much to my horror, I discovered that he'd been released by HTAFC in 2015. He signed for York City & subsequently signed for Beeston! According to googled he scored 18 goals last season, for their U23's! is going on at our Academy? - UTT. Been a few to be fair that we had and let go or didn’t think they were good enough off top of my head David stockdale and Bournemouth keeper Arron ramsdale, like you said edmundson who went to York then Leeds and England youth and I believe Kalvin Phillips until he was around 12/13 obviously different factors around each one and town always at risk at having youth taken by bigger clubs like Phillips who’s just come back from Everton still personally think it was totally the wrong call getting rid of the academy but guess that’ll become clearer either way over the next few years.
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Post by griffa on Jul 27, 2020 13:06:09 GMT 1
Apologies to fellow Town fans, don't want to mention L666ds! However the lad we've been linked with, looks like a good prospect! Googled him, worth while exercise! It led me to interesting stuff about Carlos's success with L66ds U23's,which I was unaware off! In turn this lead to looking at one of their outstanding Academy Players - Ryan Edmundson. That name rang a bell, googled him, too, much to my horror, I discovered that he'd been released by HTAFC in 2015. He signed for York City & subsequently signed for Beeston! According to googled he scored 18 goals last season, for their U23's! is going on at our Academy? - UTT. ifyou new about our club you would know the academy has been totally revamped in the last two years that is why we are getting more players who are nearer to the first team than for years. obviously you don't know that are you woudnt ask what is going on at our academy? like many you spout of about the club and have no idea what has happened. Did you mean "know about our Club," rather than "new about our Club?" I know about the re-structuring, that took place 2 years ago, under the change of direction, engineered by Dean Hoyle! Indeed I was one of many, who questioned the sense, in changing our Academy Structure! We are following the Brentford model, however the Jury is still out, it's worked them, but will it work for us? The L666ds Academy is structured on traditional lines, compare the young players, generated by them & their success, against our re-structured Academy! Perhaps it's too early to judge, I for one take a great interest in our Academy, as I'm sure most Town fans do! Looking forward to the new season - UTT.
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Post by Champers on Jul 27, 2020 13:18:44 GMT 1
Regarding Robbie Gotts, one of the few Leeds fans I know whose opinion I trust, said Gotts is very highly regarded there and ripped it up in a good U23 team that won their competition. Said he might have actually been U23 player of the year but he wasn't totally sure.
I've no issue at all with utilising Leeds' academy or being labelled a 'feeder club' or whatever. I want what's best for my club however it happens and no matter what I think about that club, you can't deny their success at blooding good youth players. Milner, Delph, Lennon, Howson, Cook, Smith, Robinson, Byram, Taylor all off the top of my head from recent memory who went on to play a lot at the top level, and I'd bet theres more. May as well tap into it if we've someone already familiar with the next names on that list at the helm.
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Post by midlander on Jul 27, 2020 15:03:26 GMT 1
really! id have him on loan but its my opinion you have yours even though your last word sums up your view! I live in York and go to see City a few times a season, remember seeing PF in goal (albeit back in 2017 and now has some Championship appearances under his belt) and if he is the answer, I don't want to know the question. I remember watching a young Nick Pope in goals for Charlton and thinking that he'd be Lg2 at best. Point being that players can mature and develop or, in the case of a Tommy Smith, have one great season which defines most of your career for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 15:23:25 GMT 1
I don’t think Mike watched many of Hamers performances for Town now did he?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 15:27:20 GMT 1
Seriously, do you honestly think that is true? That Phil is going to spend money on players out of his own pocket? If that's the case the transfer kitty will be set as £0.00. Jeez man, how the hell would be be privvy to such information anyway? I doubt that kind of info would be common knowledge. None of us know the role Maynard has at the club. But whatever is said, is always spot on. Phil may have said the transfer kitty is from his own pocket. I agree... He could say that amount is £0 But, fair play to Phil If He is doing this. As fans we criticise and moan, but I don't see myself or any of us putting money in to the club at them amount. What do we do? Buy a season ticket, a programme, a shirt and maybe a pint and pie He wasn’t forced though was he. He chose to do it knowing it would require major ongoing financial assessment. It’s not some situation that’s been fixed on him. I see a bright future for Town. Phil isn’t going to get Carlos then completely undermine him by making him play Diabenza. He will want it to be a success and will Bach him accordingly as he did the Cowleys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 15:31:00 GMT 1
Its ridiculous that top clubs with all the money and best talent are allowed to charge a loan fee for a lesser club to develop their player for six months. No one is forcing the lesser club to do it. The top club can charge big loan fees because lesser clubs are fighting each other for the privilege of paying them. Market forces. I wonder how much loan fee we got for Diakaby? That’s what the West says about African countries who’re forced to pay twice the price paid in the west for vital drugs from US & UK pharmaceuticals who fix the price. Lower league clubs can get relegated or pay over the odds for players they need to survive. There’s no choice in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 15:33:42 GMT 1
Ah great so that rules out us getting any top talent from the premier league clubs! £1.0M for half a season? There has to be a very pressing need before going down that line. Hopefully we can find better ways to work. The Cowleys didn’t know any better having never been at this level before. Their attitude appeared to be - that’s what he costs that’s what you have to pay phil. £1M for a creative player to help us stay up and £150k later on for the utterly shit Leicester full back to play for 3 more games. No wonder Phil thought I’ve had enough of this. I don’t blame him one bit.
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Post by griffa on Jul 27, 2020 15:40:37 GMT 1
I don’t think Mike watched many of Hamers performances for Town now did he? Ben Hamer was dreadful at Town. Wagner dropped a bollock selecting him, rather than Jonas Lossl. Although he only made 8 appearances, 2 games in particular stand out Town v Chelsea & Man City v Town! He was on par with that joker signed by Wadsworth, from Southampton. Let's get rid, perhaps Bradford City may sign him! - UTT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 16:14:39 GMT 1
ifyou new about our club you would know the academy has been totally revamped in the last two years that is why we are getting more players who are nearer to the first team than for years. obviously you don't know that are you woudnt ask what is going on at our academy? like many you spout of about the club and have no idea what has happened. No need to be all pious and arrogant. Edmundson leaving in 2015 is well before the academy restructuring. In fact Edmundson is a couple of months older than Matty Daly, so it’s more of a “how did we miss this kid?” And worse, “how did he end up at that lot up the road banging goals in?” Be better off just using one of your generic lines like, “maybe it just didn’t work out for him here. That’s football.” that's your view but hey doesn't alter mine one bit so move on
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Post by basil on Jul 27, 2020 16:21:21 GMT 1
No one is forcing the lesser club to do it. The top club can charge big loan fees because lesser clubs are fighting each other for the privilege of paying them. Market forces. I wonder how much loan fee we got for Diakaby? That’s what the West says about African countries who’re forced to pay twice the price paid in the west for vital drugs from US & UK pharmaceuticals who fix the price. Lower league clubs can get relegated or pay over the odds for players they need to survive. There’s no choice in it. Yes there is. A TEAM of 11 players will overcome a shambles of 10 players and 1 superstar. Build a team and you won't need to hire expensive firefighters in January.
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Post by boooothy on Jul 27, 2020 16:34:38 GMT 1
I don’t think Mike watched many of Hamers performances for Town now did he? Ben Hamer was dreadful at Town. Wagner dropped a bollock selecting him, rather than Jonas Lossl. Although he only made 8 appearances, 2 games in particular stand out Town v Chelsea & Man City v Town! He was on par with that joker signed by Wadsworth, from Southampton. Let's get rid, perhaps Bradford City may sign him! - UTT. Something clearly went wrong with Lossl’s contract negotiations. We only had him for one season as our player after paying decent money for him. Next thing you know he’s out of contract. Someone dropped a bollock.
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Post by Champers on Jul 27, 2020 17:30:37 GMT 1
Ben Hamer was dreadful at Town. Wagner dropped a bollock selecting him, rather than Jonas Lossl. Although he only made 8 appearances, 2 games in particular stand out Town v Chelsea & Man City v Town! He was on par with that joker signed by Wadsworth, from Southampton. Let's get rid, perhaps Bradford City may sign him! - UTT. Something clearly went wrong with Lossl’s contract negotiations. We only had him for one season as our player after paying decent money for him. Next thing you know he’s out of contract. Someone dropped a bollock. Wouldn't say it's that unusual. Probably signed a two year deal as there was always a good chance we weren't going to last more than a season. Had things gone to plan we'd have no doubt sat down and tried to extend the deal. If we had put him on a 4 year deal at the start and he turned out to be the German Ben Hamer, we'd have been lumbered with another valueless player on a long contract. I'd say it's actually one of the more sensible bits of business we did in the PL. He probably did enough in that first season to pay for himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 17:31:21 GMT 1
One I heard today was Ellis Chapman from Lincoln. He’s a Lincoln lad but has stalled on a contract offer from Lincoln so is likely to be leaving. Only a young man though so he could be sent out on loan straight away. Really good player. Midfielder if I'm correct more of a playmaker, similar to an Adam clayton. Correct, he’s a central midfielder, and left footed as well which is quite unique. He was shipped out on loan to Chesterfield two seasons ago where he played LB for the season. My only reservation is that Lincoln’s manager is all about 18-24 year olds, so if he’s not bothered about letting Chapman go then I’m not sure how excited we can get if we do sign him. Either way, it’s a realistic signing, and certainly one for the future under the right guidance.
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Post by terriers2000 on Jul 27, 2020 17:39:58 GMT 1
Cardiff City are leading a string of Championship clubs keen to sign Charlton goalkeeper Dillon Phillips.
Middlesbrough, Derby and Huddersfield are also said to be considering the 25-year-old as they look to improve this summer.
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