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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 26, 2020 11:29:20 GMT 1
I wonder what the success rate (I’ll define success as not being in a relegation dogfight) is for foreign coaches taking their first managerial job in the cut-throat world of Championship football with a club operating on a near-shoestring budget? May I suggest that the answer is close to zero. Wagner Farke Hoyle pushes the boat out for Wagner in summer 2016 - we’d been in a relegation fight the previous season. Farke had a very decent budget at his disposal at Norwich.
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Post by Lightcliffe Terrier on Jul 26, 2020 11:34:46 GMT 1
Hoyle pushes the boat out for Wagner in summer 2016 - we’d been in a relegation fight the previous season. Farke had a very decent budget at his disposal at Norwich. Wagner did it on one of lowest budgets in league. Sold Lynch & Smithies. Norwich were in dire financial state hence why they had to sell Pritchard & Maddison.
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Post by royrace on Jul 26, 2020 11:58:27 GMT 1
I don’t wanna see those two useless, sulky feckers in the building ever again and if the club has any sense they’ll make sure it doesn’t happen. The last thing the new coach needs is £21M worth of sulky league two wingers bringing down the mood whilst earning three times more than proper players and characters like toffalo for example. Hopefully get them a loan move worst case scenario and subsidise the wage, galling but better than having them back. This time next year they’ll be history. You don't rate them then? It's fair to say I'm not a fan! They're the epitome of everything that's been wrong about Town this last 2 years IMO. At least Sobhi is so far away its easy to forget he's even on the books and hopefully we're getting some money back but these two just seem to hang around like a bad smell, playing the odd game to remind us how shyte they are! Hopefully they'll soon be confined to HTAFC folklore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:59:32 GMT 1
I wonder what the success rate (I’ll define success as not being in a relegation dogfight) is for foreign coaches taking their first managerial job in the cut-throat world of Championship football with a club operating on a near-shoestring budget? May I suggest that the answer is close to zero. Wagner Farke Neither were on shoestring budgets - compared to the likes of Barnsley and Luton for example, but then Town aren’t now either. Everyone will have a different opinion as to success but for me it’ll look like: A positive vibe and relationship with the players Improvement from players in performance and consistency Some exciting new players Some good passing football and real energy and bite when out of possession- badly lacking under DC. Organisation f the team and consistent selection of what CC knows to be his best side. We should be competing in the top half of the table not the bottom.
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Post by Lightcliffe Terrier on Jul 26, 2020 12:33:05 GMT 1
Neither were on shoestring budgets - compared to the likes of Barnsley and Luton for example, but then Town aren’t now either. Everyone will have a different opinion as to success but for me it’ll look like: A positive vibe and relationship with the players Improvement from players in performance and consistency couldn’t agree more. Think we all just want to get the passion back after 2 really poor seasons which has knocked the stuffing out of everyone. I just want to get back to enjoying games again and feeling a connection with the team again. I’m not bothered about the premier league in the slightest. UTT Some exciting new players Some good passing football and real energy and bite when out of possession- badly lacking under DC. Organisation f the team and consistent selection of what CC knows to be his best side. We should be competing in the top half of the table not the bottom.
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Post by chinaski on Jul 26, 2020 13:41:06 GMT 1
Not sure if it's due to the strong yorkshire accent but he just sounds a bit thick I thought the opposite. Spoke very well. The hairdo on the other hand is really poor. It’s probably too late for Just For Men at this stage but it’s got to go for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 13:42:25 GMT 1
Not sure if it's due to the strong yorkshire accent but he just sounds a bit thick I thought the opposite. Spoke very well. The hairdo on the other hand is really poor. It’s probably too late for Just For Men at this stage but it’s got to go for me. He may not have a wife or partner to tell him how ridiculous he looks but lord someone needs to.
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Post by chinaski on Jul 26, 2020 13:45:39 GMT 1
I thought the opposite. Spoke very well. The hairdo on the other hand is really poor. It’s probably too late for Just For Men at this stage but it’s got to go for me. He may not have a wife or partner to tell him how ridiculous he looks but lord someone needs to. Those in his social inner circle really need to take a look at themselves. Then take a look at Leigh. Then tell Leigh how silly he looks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 13:54:41 GMT 1
He may not have a wife or partner to tell him how ridiculous he looks but lord someone needs to. Those in his social inner circle really need to take a look at themselves. Then take a look at Leigh. Then tell Leigh how silly he looks. 😂😂😂
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 26, 2020 14:34:38 GMT 1
I don’t wanna see those two useless, sulky feckers in the building ever again and if the club has any sense they’ll make sure it doesn’t happen. The last thing the new coach needs is £21M worth of sulky league two wingers bringing down the mood whilst earning three times more than proper players and characters like toffalo for example. Hopefully get them a loan move worst case scenario and subsidise the wage, galling but better than having them back. This time next year they’ll be history. You don't rate them then? He never got over us selling Ince 😉🤫 (it's ok Roy, I'm not trying to carry on our little fued 😁)
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Post by dewsburyborn on Jul 26, 2020 14:45:04 GMT 1
Not sure if it's due to the strong yorkshire accent but he just sounds a bit thick According to wiki, he's Dewsbury born - as are some on this forum. Some have ventured outside Heavy Woollen and lost some of the local accent - maybe he hasn't.
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Post by Maynardblue on Jul 26, 2020 14:55:03 GMT 1
I played cricket against him and his brother many times, they played at Woodlands
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Post by royrace on Jul 26, 2020 15:19:18 GMT 1
You don't rate them then? He never got over us selling Ince 😉🤫 (it's ok Roy, I'm not trying to carry on our little fued 😁) Don’t get me started on Ince again
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 15:39:25 GMT 1
Since when was if a fucki g fasion parade?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 26, 2020 15:55:45 GMT 1
Not sure if it's due to the strong yorkshire accent but he just sounds a bit thick According to wiki, he's Dewsbury born - as are some on this forum. Some have ventured outside Heavy Woollen and lost some of the local accent - maybe he hasn't. And went to Whitcliffe. Same shitty combo as me 😄 Funny enough, my boss at my last place did once suggest I could do with toning down my northern accent!
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Post by houllierspal on Jul 26, 2020 16:03:35 GMT 1
Maybe not been told that hairdressers are open again? Think he played for Liversedge before being snapped up by Wednesday as a 16ish year old
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 26, 2020 16:58:56 GMT 1
Since when was if a fucki g fasion parade? It isn't. That's how Bromby gets away with it.
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Post by Stewpot on Jul 26, 2020 18:43:09 GMT 1
Talking of accents, anyone watch the thing on England's '66 World Cup win last night? They were all taking the piss out of Sir Alf and his elocution lessons. Jimmy Greaves saying he couldn't understand him, and he was from Dagenham like me. Ray Wilson had a nice spoken voice on the programme.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 26, 2020 19:26:32 GMT 1
Talking of accents, anyone watch the thing on England's '66 World Cup win last night? They were all taking the piss out of Sir Alf and his elocution lessons. Jimmy Greaves saying he couldn't understand him, and he was from Dagenham like me. Ray Wilson had a nice spoken voice on the programme. It was a good watch. The splitting of the action from b&w to colour was cool. It looked really old then all of a sudden so up to date. Plus the Argy who threatened to knock Nobby's teeth out and Nobby replying 'you'll have a job on as they are back in the dressing room!'
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 26, 2020 19:27:20 GMT 1
Since when was if a fucki g fasion parade? It isn't. That's how Bromby gets away with it. What's a fucki g parade? Is it something sexual?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 26, 2020 23:22:36 GMT 1
Another interview that gives me confidence that the club has made the right decision to get Corberán. Curious....I think the opposite.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 26, 2020 23:36:39 GMT 1
Another interview that gives me confidence that the club has made the right decision to get Corberán. Curious....I think the opposite. I've genuinely no idea whether he will be successful. But I seem to recall that you recently said the Cowleys would never be successful again (as defined by @bigdaddyg if I recall). Why don't you think Corberàn will? And who would you have preferred to see get the job then?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 27, 2020 9:05:48 GMT 1
Another interview that gives me confidence that the club has made the right decision to get Corberán. Curious....I think the opposite. At least Bromby’s “message” was consistent with what Devlin and Corberán had said previously in their interviews. Now they have to back up their words with action and deliver some measure of improvement and success, on and off the pitch. What did you not like about Bromby’s interview, and why?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 27, 2020 10:17:07 GMT 1
Curious....I think the opposite. I've genuinely no idea whether he will be successful. But I seem to recall that you recently said the Cowleys would never be successful again (as defined by @bigdaddyg if I recall). Why don't you think Corberàn will? And who would you have preferred to see get the job then? I really does depend on what you consider success. It is relative....I did not say the Cowleys would NEVER have any success. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I actually like some of their approach. No, its a business first and the club foundations far more important than any manager...they come and go successful or not. If Corberan has us finishing 12th for the next eight seasons is that success? Some might say yes. I would say "tragic". Success in the short-term would be building a team with heart, desire, fitness and togetherness....with attacking intent and self belief. A team that just might challenge for the play-offs. Failure in the short-term would be bottom 8 and another season of mostly losing and yet again negative goal difference.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 27, 2020 10:25:43 GMT 1
Curious....I think the opposite. At least Bromby’s “message” was consistent with what Devlin and Corberán had said previously in their interviews. Now they have to back up their words with action and deliver some measure of improvement and success, on and off the pitch. What did you not like about Bromby’s interview, and why? It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 27, 2020 13:39:21 GMT 1
At least Bromby’s “message” was consistent with what Devlin and Corberán had said previously in their interviews. Now they have to back up their words with action and deliver some measure of improvement and success, on and off the pitch. What did you not like about Bromby’s interview, and why? It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons. Good we have Devlin then!...................
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 27, 2020 22:43:00 GMT 1
It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons. Good we have Devlin then!................... Watch the vid....think he is already a big influence.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 27, 2020 22:52:46 GMT 1
At least Bromby’s “message” was consistent with what Devlin and Corberán had said previously in their interviews. Now they have to back up their words with action and deliver some measure of improvement and success, on and off the pitch. What did you not like about Bromby’s interview, and why? It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons. And as an expert in mathematics you will know that what has happened before has no bearing on what will happen in the future.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 27, 2020 23:00:05 GMT 1
It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons. And as an expert in mathematics you will know that what has happened before has no bearing on what will happen in the future. Quite, quite the reverse in many ways. The drunken fool who fell down the steps today is far more likely than I to repeat the feat. Your surmise relates to a coin toss.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 28, 2020 9:18:56 GMT 1
And as an expert in mathematics you will know that what has happened before has no bearing on what will happen in the future. Quite, quite the reverse in many ways. The drunken fool who fell down the steps today is far more likely than I to repeat the feat. Your surmise relates to a coin toss. How did you know I fell down the steps?
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