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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 10:01:34 GMT 1
Not sure if it's due to the strong yorkshire accent but he just sounds a bit thick I thought the opposite. Spoke very well. The hairdo on the other hand is really poor. It’s probably too late for Just For Men at this stage but it’s got to go for me. Nothing wrong with his hair lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 10:06:16 GMT 1
At least Bromby’s “message” was consistent with what Devlin and Corberán had said previously in their interviews. Now they have to back up their words with action and deliver some measure of improvement and success, on and off the pitch. What did you not like about Bromby’s interview, and why? It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons. otium I agree with you that recruitment is a bigger factor than coaching and in any walk of life you have to have the tools to work with but some coaches can bring more out of players than others having watched a lot of young and mature players it is a gamble at times and you can only back your own judgment and some times its right or wrong.the bottom line is results in developing young players as well as results on the field at first team level determine how right or wrong you may be. I AGRE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE AS WELL IN REQRUITMENT AS WE SHOULD HAVE but the dividing line is very thin in this field. hope you are doing ok |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 13:24:34 GMT 1
It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons. otium I agree with you that recruitment is a bigger factor than coaching and in any walk of life you have to have the tools to work with but some coaches can bring more out of players than others having watched a lot of young and mature players it is a gamble at times and you can only back your own judgment and some times its right or wrong.the bottom line is results in developing young players as well as results on the field at first team level determine how right or wrong you may be. I AGRE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE AS WELL IN REQRUITMENT AS WE SHOULD HAVE but the dividing line is very thin in this field. hope you are doing ok Thank you for the chance to take a breath before the end. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 28, 2020 13:52:54 GMT 1
It is not that I did not like it....its just I have heard it all before. If we got points for guff, soundbites, identity, pathways, vision, strategies and hot air then we would walk the league. Coaching is 10% and recruitment 80%....even Cowley conceded that. We have always failed with finding the diamonds. How many players have we sold at serious profit in the last 50 years...a dozen? Brentford have done a dozen in the last two seasons. otium I agree with you that recruitment is a bigger factor than coaching and in any walk of life you have to have the tools to work with but some coaches can bring more out of players than others having watched a lot of young and mature players it is a gamble at times and you can only back your own judgment and some times its right or wrong.the bottom line is results in developing young players as well as results on the field at first team level determine how right or wrong you may be. I AGRE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE AS WELL IN REQRUITMENT AS WE SHOULD HAVE but the dividing line is very thin in this field. hope you are doing ok Doing great thanks. I would not have let Drinkwater or Lolley go for example, I thought they were OK. Exasperating, same with Van la Parra. Strange what others see. We have been shafted with all these rubbish signings....lets home the new team fare better. |
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Post by chinaski on Jul 28, 2020 14:32:47 GMT 1
otium I agree with you that recruitment is a bigger factor than coaching and in any walk of life you have to have the tools to work with but some coaches can bring more out of players than others having watched a lot of young and mature players it is a gamble at times and you can only back your own judgment and some times its right or wrong.the bottom line is results in developing young players as well as results on the field at first team level determine how right or wrong you may be. I AGRE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE AS WELL IN REQRUITMENT AS WE SHOULD HAVE but the dividing line is very thin in this field. hope you are doing ok Thank you for the chance to take a breath before the end. Since when was if a fucki g grammar parade? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 16:18:04 GMT 1
otium I agree with you that recruitment is a bigger factor than coaching and in any walk of life you have to have the tools to work with but some coaches can bring more out of players than others having watched a lot of young and mature players it is a gamble at times and you can only back your own judgment and some times its right or wrong.the bottom line is results in developing young players as well as results on the field at first team level determine how right or wrong you may be. I AGRE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE AS WELL IN REQRUITMENT AS WE SHOULD HAVE but the dividing line is very thin in this field. hope you are doing ok Doing great thanks. I would not have let Drinkwater or Lolley go for example, I thought they were OK. Exasperating, same with Van la Parra. Strange what others see. We have been shafted with all these rubbish signings....lets home the new team fare better. yes its all about opinions and overall our overseas reqruitment apart from the germanlads and lossil has not bared fruit and yes I was surprised about lolley but we move on we cannot help what has happened in the past but hopefully carlos and his staff can help to get us going again |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 28, 2020 17:20:05 GMT 1
otium I agree with you that recruitment is a bigger factor than coaching and in any walk of life you have to have the tools to work with but some coaches can bring more out of players than others having watched a lot of young and mature players it is a gamble at times and you can only back your own judgment and some times its right or wrong.the bottom line is results in developing young players as well as results on the field at first team level determine how right or wrong you may be. I AGRE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE AS WELL IN REQRUITMENT AS WE SHOULD HAVE but the dividing line is very thin in this field. hope you are doing ok Doing great thanks. I would not have let Drinkwater or Lolley go for example, I thought they were OK. Exasperating, same with Van la Parra. Strange what others see. We have been shafted with all these rubbish signings....lets home the new team fare better. Drinkwater was never ours and we were never in the frame to buy him. Well out of our league at the time. |
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Post by trex on Jul 28, 2020 17:46:36 GMT 1
Doing great thanks. I would not have let Drinkwater or Lolley go for example, I thought they were OK. Exasperating, same with Van la Parra. Strange what others see. We have been shafted with all these rubbish signings....lets home the new team fare better. Drinkwater was never ours and we were never in the frame to buy him. Well out of our league at the time. Yet he copped for plenty of stick at the time. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 28, 2020 18:37:52 GMT 1
Drinkwater was never ours and we were never in the frame to buy him. Well out of our league at the time. Yet he copped for plenty of stick at the time. First time I saw him was away at Newcastle and I told Baby Sapphire I thought he'd play for England. When he was at Barnsley I was a miner(sic) sponsor for a game he played in and talked with him, after the game, in the company of a Tykes board member. Barnsley were under the impression that his season-long loan was watertight and he could not be recalled by Man U. The sale to Leicester was being decided on and it was becoming clear that this would cancel the loan agreement. Off he went for just over £1m plus add ons including 45% of any profit (the maximum allowed at the time. Barnsley were fuming. Now, whenever we get a player on a season long loan I wonder if a sale would cancel the agreement. |
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Post by corberanwatch on Jul 29, 2020 18:19:03 GMT 1
Hi all
Leeds fan here, and I'll be keeping a keen eye on Huddersfield this year with Corberan in charge. I thought I'd give you a Leeds fan's perspective on him, and also ask you guys where you think he might look to strengthen the squad.
First up, as a general observation, a lot of this thread is understandably focusing on players and who is/isn't good enough etc. But I can tell you now, that the most important signing Leeds have made in my lifetime is Marcelo Bielsa. After a lot of games this season, I've seen opposition fans say on their boards that "Leeds have got more quality in their squad" etc. In my opinion that isn't true, or at least it misses the point. It's true Leeds have played very well for the last two seasons, but the squad is largely the same players that finished 15th the prior season to Bielsa. I think it gets forgotten just how much difference good coaching can make, so I wouldn't rush to write off your current players just yet.
Corberan was primarily the U23s coach at Leeds, and was brought in pre Bielsa to fix the mess that was our U23s after Cellino had gutted it (the team finished rock bottom in the PDL that year). In his first season, he rebuilt the team with savvy recruitment, and a fair few of those players have now either been sold on or are in the first team. He also established an identity as a progressive passing side and they finished middle of the pack, just 6 points off of the winners. His second year saw the arrival of Bielsa, and Bielsa liked what he saw of the U23 setup so much that he brought Corberan into the first team setup, and he combined that with his role of head of the U23s. As the relationship has gone on, Corberan has become a very trusted ally for Bielsa, and Bielsa has gone on record to say just how much he values Corberan's opinion. That second season for Corberan saw the U23s win the PDL, and to put into context just how an impressive turnaround that has been for the U23s in the 2 years, it's important to realise that Bielsa's use of the U23's makes Corberan's job even harder. Bielsa likes to keep a small squad that he leans on for the U23s to supplement. So as well as taking them out of training to regularly train with the first team, some of the U23s had extended runs in the first team that year (think Davis, Shackleton, Clarke, Halme). Several other U23s made their first team debuts that year too. This year the U23 season was curtailed, but Leeds again showed up well and would have been 2nd in the league on PPG, and once again several U23s have either hads runs in the first team or there have been more debuts. As well as Bielsa's opinion, Corberan is very highly thought of by Leeds Fans. Corberan is the only coach in Bielsa's staff with head coach aspirations, so a significant chunk of the Leeds support thought of Corberan as being groomed to take over from Bielsa when he leaves. Even last year, before Bielsa signed his new contract there were some fans who would have preferred Corberan to take the reigns should Bielsa leave, rather than someone from outside come in.
Under Bielsa, we have tended to keep promising U23s in house rather than loan them out for first team experience. However, this year we have a few U23s signing new deals but saying that they expect to go out on loan this year. I would presume this is because Bielsa sees less oppurtunity to use them in the Premier league than in the championship, but I wonder if any of them will end up at Huddersfield.
There's a couple that have said they are expecting to go out on loan:
Alfie McCalmont - 20 year old full international (N Ireland). Plays as a defensive midfielder and last season when it looked we might sell Phillips, Bielsa said we would use McCalmont in his place. Get's on the ball a lot and has a good range of passing.
Mateusz Bogusz - 18 year old attacking midfielder, played for Poland U21 last year at aged 17. A little raw with his link up play but really dynamic and likes to have a go at goal.
Ryan Edmondson - 19 year old centre forward. Bielsa uses him in training a lot, due to his impressive physique. Made his debut in Bielsa's first season and was earmarked to see more action this year until he got injured halfway through the season. When Corberans U23s won the PDL league, Edmondson hit 20 goals.
Added to those, it wouldn't surprise me to see the following go out on loan.
Robbie Gotts - 20 Year old right back/central midfielder. Has played a couple of times for the first team in midfield, including showing up well against Arsenal in the FA cup. Keeps the ball moving well. Clever player.
Jordan Stevens - 20 year old winger, can play on both sides. Bielsa is a big fan and has used him 5 times this season. Quick and likes to beat a man.
Leif Davis - 20 year old left back who we have also used as a ball playing CB despite him being quite short. Had a run in the team last year when we had injuries to Dallas and Douglas (and Alioski was playing further up the pitch), but we haven't seen much of him this year due to the people in front of him staying fit. Brave defender, and very quick. Wouldn't surprise me to see him played further forward at some point.
So what do you guys think? Do you think there are any obvious gaps in your squad that might see any of these guys come in? Most Leeds fans would have been happy for all of them to get more games for us in the championship, so if they did go out on Loan I'll be excited to see what they can do. I think we will only send them to a team that plays passing football, so its quite possible you guys would have 'first dibs' on them due to Corberan.
Good luck for next season.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jul 29, 2020 18:23:17 GMT 1
Hi all Leeds fan here, and I'll be keeping a keen eye on Huddersfield this year with Corberan in charge. I thought I'd give you a Leeds fan's perspective on him, and also ask you guys where you think he might look to strengthen the squad. First up, as a general observation, a lot of this thread is understandably focusing on players and who is/isn't good enough etc. But I can tell you now, that the most important signing Leeds have made in my lifetime is Marcelo Bielsa. After a lot of games this season, I've seen opposition fans say on their boards that "Leeds have got more quality in their squad" etc. In my opinion that isn't true, or at least it misses the point. It's true Leeds have played very well for the last two seasons, but the squad is largely the same players that finished 15th the prior season to Bielsa. I think it gets forgotten just how much difference good coaching can make, so I wouldn't rush to write off your current players just yet. Corberan was primarily the U23s coach at Leeds, and was brought in pre Bielsa to fix the mess that was our U23s after Cellino had gutted it (the team finished rock bottom in the PDL that year). In his first season, he rebuilt the team with savvy recruitment, and a fair few of those players have now either been sold on or are in the first team. He also established an identity as a progressive passing side and they finished middle of the pack, just 6 points off of the winners. His second year saw the arrival of Bielsa, and Bielsa liked what he saw of the U23 setup so much that he brought Corberan into the first team setup, and he combined that with his role of head of the U23s. As the relationship has gone on, Corberan has become a very trusted ally for Bielsa, and Bielsa has gone on record to say just how much he values Corberan's opinion. That second season for Corberan saw the U23s win the PDL, and to put into context just how an impressive turnaround that has been for the U23s in the 2 years, it's important to realise that Bielsa's use of the U23's makes Corberan's job even harder. Bielsa likes to keep a small squad that he leans on for the U23s to supplement. So as well as taking them out of training to regularly train with the first team, some of the U23s had extended runs in the first team that year (think Davis, Shackleton, Clarke, Halme). Several other U23s made their first team debuts that year too. This year the U23 season was curtailed, but Leeds again showed up well and would have been 2nd in the league on PPG, and once again several U23s have either hads runs in the first team or there have been more debuts. As well as Bielsa's opinion, Corberan is very highly thought of by Leeds Fans. Corberan is the only coach in Bielsa's staff with head coach aspirations, so a significant chunk of the Leeds support thought of Corberan as being groomed to take over from Bielsa when he leaves. Even last year, before Bielsa signed his new contract there were some fans who would have preferred Corberan to take the reigns should Bielsa leave, rather than someone from outside come in. Under Bielsa, we have tended to keep promising U23s in house rather than loan them out for first team experience. However, this year we have a few U23s signing new deals but saying that they expect to go out on loan this year. I would presume this is because Bielsa sees less oppurtunity to use them in the Premier league than in the championship, but I wonder if any of them will end up at Huddersfield. There's a couple that have said they are expecting to go out on loan: Alfie McCalmont - 20 year old full international (N Ireland). Plays as a defensive midfielder and last season when it looked we might sell Phillips, Bielsa said we would use McCalmont in his place. Get's on the ball a lot and has a good range of passing. Mateusz Bogusz - 18 year old attacking midfielder, played for Poland U21 last year at aged 17. A little raw with his link up play but really dynamic and likes to have a go at goal. Ryan Edmondson - 19 year old centre forward. Bielsa uses him in training a lot, due to his impressive physique. Made his debut in Bielsa's first season and was earmarked to see more action this year until he got injured halfway through the season. When Corberans U23s won the PDL league, Edmondson hit 20 goals. Added to those, it wouldn't surprise me to see the following go out on loan. Robbie Gotts - 20 Year old right back/central midfielder. Has played a couple of times for the first team in midfield, including showing up well against Arsenal in the FA cup. Keeps the ball moving well. Clever player. Jordan Stevens - 20 year old winger, can play on both sides. Bielsa is a big fan and has used him 5 times this season. Quick and likes to beat a man. Leif Davis - 20 year old left back who we have also used as a ball playing CB despite him being quite short. Had a run in the team last year when we had injuries to Dallas and Douglas (and Alioski was playing further up the pitch), but we haven't seen much of him this year due to the people in front of him staying fit. Brave defender, and very quick. Wouldn't surprise me to see him played further forward at some point. So what do you guys think? Do you think there are any obvious gaps in your squad that might see any of these guys come in? Most Leeds fans would have been happy for all of them to get more games for us in the championship, so if they did go out on Loan I'll be excited to see what they can do. I think we will only send them to a team that plays passing football, so its quite possible you guys would have 'first dibs' on them due to Corberan. Good luck for next season. Jordan Stevens sounds ideal. |
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Post by Champers on Jul 29, 2020 18:42:13 GMT 1
Hi all Leeds fan here, and I'll be keeping a keen eye on Huddersfield this year with Corberan in charge. I thought I'd give you a Leeds fan's perspective on him, and also ask you guys where you think he might look to strengthen the squad. First up, as a general observation, a lot of this thread is understandably focusing on players and who is/isn't good enough etc. But I can tell you now, that the most important signing Leeds have made in my lifetime is Marcelo Bielsa. After a lot of games this season, I've seen opposition fans say on their boards that "Leeds have got more quality in their squad" etc. In my opinion that isn't true, or at least it misses the point. It's true Leeds have played very well for the last two seasons, but the squad is largely the same players that finished 15th the prior season to Bielsa. I think it gets forgotten just how much difference good coaching can make, so I wouldn't rush to write off your current players just yet. Corberan was primarily the U23s coach at Leeds, and was brought in pre Bielsa to fix the mess that was our U23s after Cellino had gutted it (the team finished rock bottom in the PDL that year). In his first season, he rebuilt the team with savvy recruitment, and a fair few of those players have now either been sold on or are in the first team. He also established an identity as a progressive passing side and they finished middle of the pack, just 6 points off of the winners. His second year saw the arrival of Bielsa, and Bielsa liked what he saw of the U23 setup so much that he brought Corberan into the first team setup, and he combined that with his role of head of the U23s. As the relationship has gone on, Corberan has become a very trusted ally for Bielsa, and Bielsa has gone on record to say just how much he values Corberan's opinion. That second season for Corberan saw the U23s win the PDL, and to put into context just how an impressive turnaround that has been for the U23s in the 2 years, it's important to realise that Bielsa's use of the U23's makes Corberan's job even harder. Bielsa likes to keep a small squad that he leans on for the U23s to supplement. So as well as taking them out of training to regularly train with the first team, some of the U23s had extended runs in the first team that year (think Davis, Shackleton, Clarke, Halme). Several other U23s made their first team debuts that year too. This year the U23 season was curtailed, but Leeds again showed up well and would have been 2nd in the league on PPG, and once again several U23s have either hads runs in the first team or there have been more debuts. As well as Bielsa's opinion, Corberan is very highly thought of by Leeds Fans. Corberan is the only coach in Bielsa's staff with head coach aspirations, so a significant chunk of the Leeds support thought of Corberan as being groomed to take over from Bielsa when he leaves. Even last year, before Bielsa signed his new contract there were some fans who would have preferred Corberan to take the reigns should Bielsa leave, rather than someone from outside come in. Under Bielsa, we have tended to keep promising U23s in house rather than loan them out for first team experience. However, this year we have a few U23s signing new deals but saying that they expect to go out on loan this year. I would presume this is because Bielsa sees less oppurtunity to use them in the Premier league than in the championship, but I wonder if any of them will end up at Huddersfield. There's a couple that have said they are expecting to go out on loan: Alfie McCalmont - 20 year old full international (N Ireland). Plays as a defensive midfielder and last season when it looked we might sell Phillips, Bielsa said we would use McCalmont in his place. Get's on the ball a lot and has a good range of passing. Mateusz Bogusz - 18 year old attacking midfielder, played for Poland U21 last year at aged 17. A little raw with his link up play but really dynamic and likes to have a go at goal. Ryan Edmondson - 19 year old centre forward. Bielsa uses him in training a lot, due to his impressive physique. Made his debut in Bielsa's first season and was earmarked to see more action this year until he got injured halfway through the season. When Corberans U23s won the PDL league, Edmondson hit 20 goals. Added to those, it wouldn't surprise me to see the following go out on loan. Robbie Gotts - 20 Year old right back/central midfielder. Has played a couple of times for the first team in midfield, including showing up well against Arsenal in the FA cup. Keeps the ball moving well. Clever player. Jordan Stevens - 20 year old winger, can play on both sides. Bielsa is a big fan and has used him 5 times this season. Quick and likes to beat a man. Leif Davis - 20 year old left back who we have also used as a ball playing CB despite him being quite short. Had a run in the team last year when we had injuries to Dallas and Douglas (and Alioski was playing further up the pitch), but we haven't seen much of him this year due to the people in front of him staying fit. Brave defender, and very quick. Wouldn't surprise me to see him played further forward at some point. So what do you guys think? Do you think there are any obvious gaps in your squad that might see any of these guys come in? Most Leeds fans would have been happy for all of them to get more games for us in the championship, so if they did go out on Loan I'll be excited to see what they can do. I think we will only send them to a team that plays passing football, so its quite possible you guys would have 'first dibs' on them due to Corberan. Good luck for next season. Very detailed, informative and intelligent post. Are you sure you're a Leeds fan?! |
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Post by corberanwatch on Jul 29, 2020 18:53:02 GMT 1
Ooh that's cheeky  I just watched that Bromby interview, and as others have said the proof of the pudding is in the eating, but I think the model you guys are going after is sound. You want an identity, you want to assemble a team to fit that, and you want to coach players to be better. It's a different level of course, but those are all things Corberan was successful with for Leeds U23s. |
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Post by midlander on Jul 29, 2020 18:59:08 GMT 1
Hi all Leeds fan here, and I'll be keeping a keen eye on Huddersfield this year with Corberan in charge. I thought I'd give you a Leeds fan's perspective on him, and also ask you guys where you think he might look to strengthen the squad. First up, as a general observation, a lot of this thread is understandably focusing on players and who is/isn't good enough etc. But I can tell you now, that the most important signing Leeds have made in my lifetime is Marcelo Bielsa. After a lot of games this season, I've seen opposition fans say on their boards that "Leeds have got more quality in their squad" etc. In my opinion that isn't true, or at least it misses the point. It's true Leeds have played very well for the last two seasons, but the squad is largely the same players that finished 15th the prior season to Bielsa. I think it gets forgotten just how much difference good coaching can make, so I wouldn't rush to write off your current players just yet. Corberan was primarily the U23s coach at Leeds, and was brought in pre Bielsa to fix the mess that was our U23s after Cellino had gutted it (the team finished rock bottom in the PDL that year). In his first season, he rebuilt the team with savvy recruitment, and a fair few of those players have now either been sold on or are in the first team. He also established an identity as a progressive passing side and they finished middle of the pack, just 6 points off of the winners. His second year saw the arrival of Bielsa, and Bielsa liked what he saw of the U23 setup so much that he brought Corberan into the first team setup, and he combined that with his role of head of the U23s. As the relationship has gone on, Corberan has become a very trusted ally for Bielsa, and Bielsa has gone on record to say just how much he values Corberan's opinion. That second season for Corberan saw the U23s win the PDL, and to put into context just how an impressive turnaround that has been for the U23s in the 2 years, it's important to realise that Bielsa's use of the U23's makes Corberan's job even harder. Bielsa likes to keep a small squad that he leans on for the U23s to supplement. So as well as taking them out of training to regularly train with the first team, some of the U23s had extended runs in the first team that year (think Davis, Shackleton, Clarke, Halme). Several other U23s made their first team debuts that year too. This year the U23 season was curtailed, but Leeds again showed up well and would have been 2nd in the league on PPG, and once again several U23s have either hads runs in the first team or there have been more debuts. As well as Bielsa's opinion, Corberan is very highly thought of by Leeds Fans. Corberan is the only coach in Bielsa's staff with head coach aspirations, so a significant chunk of the Leeds support thought of Corberan as being groomed to take over from Bielsa when he leaves. Even last year, before Bielsa signed his new contract there were some fans who would have preferred Corberan to take the reigns should Bielsa leave, rather than someone from outside come in. Under Bielsa, we have tended to keep promising U23s in house rather than loan them out for first team experience. However, this year we have a few U23s signing new deals but saying that they expect to go out on loan this year. I would presume this is because Bielsa sees less oppurtunity to use them in the Premier league than in the championship, but I wonder if any of them will end up at Huddersfield. There's a couple that have said they are expecting to go out on loan: Alfie McCalmont - 20 year old full international (N Ireland). Plays as a defensive midfielder and last season when it looked we might sell Phillips, Bielsa said we would use McCalmont in his place. Get's on the ball a lot and has a good range of passing. Mateusz Bogusz - 18 year old attacking midfielder, played for Poland U21 last year at aged 17. A little raw with his link up play but really dynamic and likes to have a go at goal. Ryan Edmondson - 19 year old centre forward. Bielsa uses him in training a lot, due to his impressive physique. Made his debut in Bielsa's first season and was earmarked to see more action this year until he got injured halfway through the season. When Corberans U23s won the PDL league, Edmondson hit 20 goals. Added to those, it wouldn't surprise me to see the following go out on loan. Robbie Gotts - 20 Year old right back/central midfielder. Has played a couple of times for the first team in midfield, including showing up well against Arsenal in the FA cup. Keeps the ball moving well. Clever player. Jordan Stevens - 20 year old winger, can play on both sides. Bielsa is a big fan and has used him 5 times this season. Quick and likes to beat a man. Leif Davis - 20 year old left back who we have also used as a ball playing CB despite him being quite short. Had a run in the team last year when we had injuries to Dallas and Douglas (and Alioski was playing further up the pitch), but we haven't seen much of him this year due to the people in front of him staying fit. Brave defender, and very quick. Wouldn't surprise me to see him played further forward at some point. So what do you guys think? Do you think there are any obvious gaps in your squad that might see any of these guys come in? Most Leeds fans would have been happy for all of them to get more games for us in the championship, so if they did go out on Loan I'll be excited to see what they can do. I think we will only send them to a team that plays passing football, so its quite possible you guys would have 'first dibs' on them due to Corberan. Good luck for next season. Thanks for taking the time and effort to post that. Much appreciated. I suppose that it is highly likely that we will look to loan a couple of those from you. Depending on how Corberan sees Hogg may dictate whether either McCalmont or Gotts come in. Gotta more likely as we have a potential big gap at right back. We will also be looking for wide and attacking players but potentially may be looking at Geldhart when that deal is over the line. Thing is, we have no idea who is going to be surplus to requirements here and exactly what the coach will want in certain areas of the formation. |
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Post by houllierspal on Jul 29, 2020 19:08:40 GMT 1
“So what do you guys think? Do you think there are any obvious gaps in your squad that might see any of these guys come in? Most Leeds fans would have been happy for all of them to get more games for us in the championship, so if they did go out on Loan I'll be excited to see what they can do. I think we will only send them to a team that plays passing football, so its quite possible you guys would have 'first dibs' on them due to Corberan.“
After this season, basically all of them LOL but I don’t think it’s as simple as that, aren’t we limited to two loans from premier league clubs?
Thanks though for that
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Post by corberanwatch on Jul 29, 2020 19:20:48 GMT 1
“So what do you guys think? Do you think there are any obvious gaps in your squad that might see any of these guys come in? Most Leeds fans would have been happy for all of them to get more games for us in the championship, so if they did go out on Loan I'll be excited to see what they can do. I think we will only send them to a team that plays passing football, so its quite possible you guys would have 'first dibs' on them due to Corberan.“ After this season, basically all of them LOL but I don’t think it’s as simple as that, aren’t we limited to two loans from premier league clubs? Thanks though for that You can have 4 from one club, provided they are under 23 www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/loan-rules-explained-players-returning-18398053The formation thing is a good point. Corberan has tended to play with one striker and wingers, sometimes in a front 3, or sometimes more in the attacking shape of the 4-1-4-1 that the first team uses. (our 4-1-4-1 is very much a 3-3-1-3 in attacking transition anyway, so its only really in defence that you see us with a back 4). I wouldn't want to guess which formation he will use for you guys, but I would be surprised to see him switch to 2 strikers as most passing teams don't. I'd be pretty confident in saying he will want his full backs to get through a ton of work, and also expect that his defenders get on the ball. |
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Post by houllierspal on Jul 29, 2020 20:02:50 GMT 1
Thanks corberanwatch, must have mis-read that somewhere, I reckon there will be a couple of those once Carlos has looked at what we have
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 20:23:44 GMT 1
Hi all Leeds fan here, and I'll be keeping a keen eye on Huddersfield this year with Corberan in charge. I thought I'd give you a Leeds fan's perspective on him, and also ask you guys where you think he might look to strengthen the squad. First up, as a general observation, a lot of this thread is understandably focusing on players and who is/isn't good enough etc. But I can tell you now, that the most important signing Leeds have made in my lifetime is Marcelo Bielsa. After a lot of games this season, I've seen opposition fans say on their boards that "Leeds have got more quality in their squad" etc. In my opinion that isn't true, or at least it misses the point. It's true Leeds have played very well for the last two seasons, but the squad is largely the same players that finished 15th the prior season to Bielsa. I think it gets forgotten just how much difference good coaching can make, so I wouldn't rush to write off your current players just yet. Corberan was primarily the U23s coach at Leeds, and was brought in pre Bielsa to fix the mess that was our U23s after Cellino had gutted it (the team finished rock bottom in the PDL that year). In his first season, he rebuilt the team with savvy recruitment, and a fair few of those players have now either been sold on or are in the first team. He also established an identity as a progressive passing side and they finished middle of the pack, just 6 points off of the winners. His second year saw the arrival of Bielsa, and Bielsa liked what he saw of the U23 setup so much that he brought Corberan into the first team setup, and he combined that with his role of head of the U23s. As the relationship has gone on, Corberan has become a very trusted ally for Bielsa, and Bielsa has gone on record to say just how much he values Corberan's opinion. That second season for Corberan saw the U23s win the PDL, and to put into context just how an impressive turnaround that has been for the U23s in the 2 years, it's important to realise that Bielsa's use of the U23's makes Corberan's job even harder. Bielsa likes to keep a small squad that he leans on for the U23s to supplement. So as well as taking them out of training to regularly train with the first team, some of the U23s had extended runs in the first team that year (think Davis, Shackleton, Clarke, Halme). Several other U23s made their first team debuts that year too. This year the U23 season was curtailed, but Leeds again showed up well and would have been 2nd in the league on PPG, and once again several U23s have either hads runs in the first team or there have been more debuts. As well as Bielsa's opinion, Corberan is very highly thought of by Leeds Fans. Corberan is the only coach in Bielsa's staff with head coach aspirations, so a significant chunk of the Leeds support thought of Corberan as being groomed to take over from Bielsa when he leaves. Even last year, before Bielsa signed his new contract there were some fans who would have preferred Corberan to take the reigns should Bielsa leave, rather than someone from outside come in. Under Bielsa, we have tended to keep promising U23s in house rather than loan them out for first team experience. However, this year we have a few U23s signing new deals but saying that they expect to go out on loan this year. I would presume this is because Bielsa sees less oppurtunity to use them in the Premier league than in the championship, but I wonder if any of them will end up at Huddersfield. There's a couple that have said they are expecting to go out on loan: Alfie McCalmont - 20 year old full international (N Ireland). Plays as a defensive midfielder and last season when it looked we might sell Phillips, Bielsa said we would use McCalmont in his place. Get's on the ball a lot and has a good range of passing. Mateusz Bogusz - 18 year old attacking midfielder, played for Poland U21 last year at aged 17. A little raw with his link up play but really dynamic and likes to have a go at goal. Ryan Edmondson - 19 year old centre forward. Bielsa uses him in training a lot, due to his impressive physique. Made his debut in Bielsa's first season and was earmarked to see more action this year until he got injured halfway through the season. When Corberans U23s won the PDL league, Edmondson hit 20 goals. Added to those, it wouldn't surprise me to see the following go out on loan. Robbie Gotts - 20 Year old right back/central midfielder. Has played a couple of times for the first team in midfield, including showing up well against Arsenal in the FA cup. Keeps the ball moving well. Clever player. Jordan Stevens - 20 year old winger, can play on both sides. Bielsa is a big fan and has used him 5 times this season. Quick and likes to beat a man. Leif Davis - 20 year old left back who we have also used as a ball playing CB despite him being quite short. Had a run in the team last year when we had injuries to Dallas and Douglas (and Alioski was playing further up the pitch), but we haven't seen much of him this year due to the people in front of him staying fit. Brave defender, and very quick. Wouldn't surprise me to see him played further forward at some point. So what do you guys think? Do you think there are any obvious gaps in your squad that might see any of these guys come in? Most Leeds fans would have been happy for all of them to get more games for us in the championship, so if they did go out on Loan I'll be excited to see what they can do. I think we will only send them to a team that plays passing football, so its quite possible you guys would have 'first dibs' on them due to Corberan. Good luck for next season. Jordan Stevens sounds ideal. We’ll soon train that out of him and only play him if he spends 98% of his energy defending. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 29, 2020 21:02:31 GMT 1
First up, as a general observation, a lot of this thread is understandably focusing on players and who is/isn't good enough etc. But I can tell you now, that the most important signing Leeds have made in my lifetime is Marcelo Bielsa. After a lot of games this season, I've seen opposition fans say on their boards that "Leeds have got more quality in their squad" etc. In my opinion that isn't true, or at least it misses the point. It's true Leeds have played very well for the last two seasons, but the squad is largely the same players that finished 15th the prior season to Bielsa. I think it gets forgotten just how much difference good coaching can make, so I wouldn't rush to write off your current players just yet. Thanks, but we know all this. It’s exactly what Wagner did in 2016/17, took championship players plus mooy to dizzy heights. Just swap Wagner for bielsa and mooy for Phillips. |
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Post by corberanwatch on Jul 29, 2020 21:23:17 GMT 1
First up, as a general observation, a lot of this thread is understandably focusing on players and who is/isn't good enough etc. But I can tell you now, that the most important signing Leeds have made in my lifetime is Marcelo Bielsa. After a lot of games this season, I've seen opposition fans say on their boards that "Leeds have got more quality in their squad" etc. In my opinion that isn't true, or at least it misses the point. It's true Leeds have played very well for the last two seasons, but the squad is largely the same players that finished 15th the prior season to Bielsa. I think it gets forgotten just how much difference good coaching can make, so I wouldn't rush to write off your current players just yet. Thanks, but we know all this. It’s exactly what Wagner did in 2016/17, took championship players plus mooy to dizzy heights. Just swap Wagner for bielsa and mooy for Phillips. Only reason I mentioned Bielsa was in response to the posts on this thread bemoaning the lack of quality in some players in the squad, and the posts talking about how it's 80% recruitment and 10% coaching. Obviously you realise that, but you're responding to me instead of the people that have seemingly forgotten it? There's a real parallel with Wagner and Corberan, actually. Both had no prior head coach experience, but yet were appointed for their philosophy and coaching ability. Wagner is an excellent example of why this could be a really exciting appointment. Best of luck to you. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 29, 2020 21:45:11 GMT 1
Corberanwatch - Many thanks and much appreciated for taking time to come on here and give a comprehensive, articulate and informative outline of our new Head Coach and the possible players in the Leeds U-23 squad that may fit the system he may wish to play here.
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Post by corberanwatch on Jul 31, 2020 9:38:06 GMT 1
Edmondson going to Aberdeen on loan, so that’s one that’s not going to happen.
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 31, 2020 10:01:52 GMT 1
Corberanwatch - Many thanks and much appreciated for taking time to come on here and give a comprehensive, articulate and informative outline of our new Head Coach and the possible players in the Leeds U-23 squad that may fit the system he may wish to play here. It’s a particularly impressive post given that he typed it with his knuckles. Great effort. Utt |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 31, 2020 11:10:30 GMT 1
Thought may have heard officially the details of backroom staff considering Bromby said they will be starting tomorrow in preparation for Carlos and players back in on 10th
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Post by griffa on Jul 31, 2020 11:28:45 GMT 1
Edmondson going to Aberdeen on loan, so that’s one that’s not going to happen. Don't think that he would been too keen to return to us! - UTT. |
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 31, 2020 16:58:36 GMT 1
Edmondson going to Aberdeen on loan, so that’s one that’s not going to happen. Don't think that he would been too keen to return to us! - UTT. You do know this is Ryan not Darren? |
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 31, 2020 17:18:00 GMT 1
I've genuinely no idea whether he will be successful. But I seem to recall that you recently said the Cowleys would never be successful again (as defined by @bigdaddyg if I recall). Why don't you think Corberàn will? And who would you have preferred to see get the job then? I really does depend on what you consider success. It is relative....I did not say the Cowleys would NEVER have any success. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I actually like some of their approach. No, its a business first and the club foundations far more important than any manager...they come and go successful or not. If Corberan has us finishing 12th for the next eight seasons is that success? Some might say yes. I would say "tragic". Success in the short-term would be building a team with heart, desire, fitness and togetherness....with attacking intent and self belief. A team that just might challenge for the play-offs. Failure in the short-term would be bottom 8 and another season of mostly losing and yet again negative goal difference. We have to change. We get decent crowds, or did before lockdown, but that will change if we cannot start to play football people want to watch. We also need to improve our success rate with the Academy. This appointment is about addressing both those things. Nobody can be sure it will bear fruit but it is, IMHO, the correct move. I am very tired of ‘solid’ football. As a season card holder I want to get excited about watching my team. I am not really bothered whether we get promoted unless we have a team we can build into a decent top flight team. A team that can really hold its own. Other than that I just want to watch decent, attacking football, and I think this is the first step. |
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