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Post by yappledapple on Jul 27, 2020 10:04:40 GMT 1
Surprise surprise. Twatter full of knobs having a pop at Billing as if he's single handedly responsible for 2 teams getting relegated 🤬 It's frightening just how nasty loads of the general public seem to be. Thing is, it's not just youths; it's far from it, so social media is just shining a light on it. On Facebook, the worst demographic seem to be more like 40-65 and it's on pretty much anything that's posted. Front page of today’s ‘Metro’...
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 27, 2020 10:35:37 GMT 1
Goodison Park is the worst ground in the premier league. That's why they are son intent on moving and have been trying for twenty years. The point of open forum discussion - I actually disagree, it’s one of the best. The sense of history, it’s position, like Anfield, smack in the middle of small residential terraced house streets, it’s design that harks back to the male dominated flat cap and woodbine era of football - in short, history and character. Sitting on those wooden seats, like at Burnley (another ground I really like), there’s something traditional about these old grounds that the new cathedrals of sport like the Etihad, the Emirates, the London Stadium, Spurs stadium etc. just cannot compete with Maine Road, Highbury, Upton Park, White Hart Lane. And I accept, people may not agree and they may prefer the comfy seats, the unhindered view, wide open concourses, loads of parking; it’s probably an age thing! Leeds Road versus JSS argument... I agree with both of you. Aesthetically pleasing, characterful ground in the middle of the area it represents, but with crap sightlines, crowding bottlenecks, ad-hoc development. considering the absence of a soul in so many postmodern stadiums, we're quite lucky to have a ground that's well-designed, characterful, but still operates as a place for fans to be fans. I wrote about stadium development at university so I have plenty of interesting books/journal articles on my computer that I can send if anyone's bothered!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 11:51:47 GMT 1
The point of open forum discussion - I actually disagree, it’s one of the best. The sense of history, it’s position, like Anfield, smack in the middle of small residential terraced house streets, it’s design that harks back to the male dominated flat cap and woodbine era of football - in short, history and character. Sitting on those wooden seats, like at Burnley (another ground I really like), there’s something traditional about these old grounds that the new cathedrals of sport like the Etihad, the Emirates, the London Stadium, Spurs stadium etc. just cannot compete with Maine Road, Highbury, Upton Park, White Hart Lane. And I accept, people may not agree and they may prefer the comfy seats, the unhindered view, wide open concourses, loads of parking; it’s probably an age thing! Leeds Road versus JSS argument... I agree with both of you. Aesthetically pleasing, characterful ground in the middle of the area it represents, but with crap sightlines, crowding bottlenecks, ad-hoc development. considering the absence of a soul in so many postmodern stadiums, we're quite lucky to have a ground that's well-designed, characterful, but still operates as a place for fans to be fans. I wrote about stadium development at university so I have plenty of interesting books/journal articles on my computer that I can send if anyone's bothered! goodison has great atmosphere and is one of the great old stadiums as was leeds road. but time moves on and I agree we are in a good stadium but some of the newer ones lack atsmosphere and are much of the same
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Post by detox on Jul 27, 2020 12:43:18 GMT 1
Goodison Park is the worst ground in the premier league. That's why they are son intent on moving and have been trying for twenty years. The point of open forum discussion - I actually disagree, it’s one of the best. The sense of history, it’s position, like Anfield, smack in the middle of small residential terraced house streets, it’s design that harks back to the male dominated flat cap and woodbine era of football - in short, history and character. Sitting on those wooden seats, like at Burnley (another ground I really like), there’s something traditional about these old grounds that the new cathedrals of sport like the Etihad, the Emirates, the London Stadium, Spurs stadium etc. just cannot compete with Maine Road, Highbury, Upton Park, White Hart Lane. And I accept, people may not agree and they may prefer the comfy seats, the unhindered view, wide open concourses, loads of parking; it’s probably an age thing! Leeds Road versus JSS argument... I totally agree tbh, grounds with character, Brentford being up there too although this was the last season. Fulham, even QPR, but fond memories of Millmoor, Northampton, Walsall, York, even Chester before they moved to that horrendous tin box... As far as Leeds though, has there ever been talk of a new 50,000 capacity arena for them? The city is prosperous and well populated so I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been mooted.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 27, 2020 13:06:13 GMT 1
The point of open forum discussion - I actually disagree, it’s one of the best. The sense of history, it’s position, like Anfield, smack in the middle of small residential terraced house streets, it’s design that harks back to the male dominated flat cap and woodbine era of football - in short, history and character. Sitting on those wooden seats, like at Burnley (another ground I really like), there’s something traditional about these old grounds that the new cathedrals of sport like the Etihad, the Emirates, the London Stadium, Spurs stadium etc. just cannot compete with Maine Road, Highbury, Upton Park, White Hart Lane. And I accept, people may not agree and they may prefer the comfy seats, the unhindered view, wide open concourses, loads of parking; it’s probably an age thing! Leeds Road versus JSS argument... I totally agree tbh, grounds with character, Brentford being up there too although this was the last season. Fulham, even QPR, but fond memories of Millmoor, Northampton, Walsall, York, even Chester before they moved to that horrendous tin box... As far as Leeds though, has there ever been talk of a new 50,000 capacity arena for them? The city is prosperous and well populated so I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been mooted. They were supposed to be building a new 50k ground out of town off the A1/M1 link road circa 2000. Got shit canned in favour of pretty goldfish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 13:46:56 GMT 1
Unfortunately the Bournemouth cheats going down also meant the Villa cheats stayed up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 14:13:13 GMT 1
Surprise surprise. Twatter full of knobs having a pop at Billing as if he's single handedly responsible for 2 teams getting relegated 🤬 It's frightening just how nasty loads of the general public seem to be. Thing is, it's not just youths; it's far from it, so social media is just shining a light on it. On Facebook, the worst demographic seem to be more like 40-65 and it's on pretty much anything that's posted. Have you only just noticed? That’s what happens when you get convicted liars and cheats Boris and Cummins in charge of the country with a massive majority. Abuse, cheating, lying are de rigueur. Lots of negative emotions and issues have been purposely focussed on to whip up hatred and division. Brexit, BLM, windrush, immigration. A people divided amongst itself are much less likely to challenge their rulers. Page 1 of the fascist handbook.
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 27, 2020 16:04:19 GMT 1
It's frightening just how nasty loads of the general public seem to be. Thing is, it's not just youths; it's far from it, so social media is just shining a light on it. On Facebook, the worst demographic seem to be more like 40-65 and it's on pretty much anything that's posted. Have you only just noticed? That’s what happens when you get convicted liars and cheats Boris and Cummins in charge of the country with a massive majority. Abuse, cheating, lying are de rigueur. Lots of negative emotions and issues have been purposely focussed on to whip up hatred and division. Brexit, BLM, windrush, immigration. A people divided amongst itself are much less likely to challenge their rulers. Page 1 of the fascist handbook. But we're not living in the good old USA!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 27, 2020 16:43:48 GMT 1
Unfortunately the Bournemouth cheats going down also meant the Villa cheats stayed up True Villains...
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 27, 2020 17:08:48 GMT 1
It's frightening just how nasty loads of the general public seem to be. Thing is, it's not just youths; it's far from it, so social media is just shining a light on it. On Facebook, the worst demographic seem to be more like 40-65 and it's on pretty much anything that's posted. Have you only just noticed? That’s what happens when you get convicted liars and cheats Boris and Cummins in charge of the country with a massive majority. Abuse, cheating, lying are de rigueur. Lots of negative emotions and issues have been purposely focussed on to whip up hatred and division. Brexit, BLM, windrush, immigration. A people divided amongst itself are much less likely to challenge their rulers. Page 1 of the fascist handbook. It's certainly become more obvious with all what you mention. I'm centre left, so find the intolerance and bias on the each side of these debates infuriating. People always going down the side of their political persuasion, irrespective of the specific facts. Knobheads 😄
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Post by sabailand on Jul 27, 2020 17:17:15 GMT 1
I quite liked the idea of Bournemouth being in the prem, although their means of getting there was dubious, if we got promoted to the prem in similar circumstances though we`d be absolutely loving it and not giving a damn what others think.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 27, 2020 17:28:59 GMT 1
Unfortunately I suspect Bournemouth will be nowhere near relegation. I'm not so sure. A lot of top talent in that squad who will want away. A few started before the season ended. A lot depends on the owners backing which the OP alluded to and whether Howe stays or goes. Oh you mean Mr Phil Bill?
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 27, 2020 20:12:41 GMT 1
Unfortunately the Bournemouth cheats going down also meant the Villa cheats stayed up At least Villa have the fan base and the history, as opposed to our neighbours who only have the fanbase
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 27, 2020 21:00:40 GMT 1
*sigh*
I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 11:30:40 GMT 1
*sigh* I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice. That's ridiculous. Who is to say that the season wouldn't have panned out differently had that goal been given. Villa would likely have played the last game differently, as would Watford etc. Take your medicine and move on Bournemouth.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 28, 2020 11:38:30 GMT 1
*sigh* I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice. This is potentially great news for us. Now there's a precedent to go back in time and get the Mounie sending off cancelled and replay the Brighton game from when we were leading 1-0.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 28, 2020 11:46:46 GMT 1
*sigh* I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice. Ridiculous. Where do you draw the line? Every club could argue they've had really bad decisions given against them this (well, perhaps Liverpool might not be able to) that are potentially game changing. Mike Dean obviously didn't agree with the video ref (Lee Mason) over-riding him on Sunday and giving a penalty to Arsenal in the very early stages of that game - should Watford appeal? Once a decision has been made the rest of the game would change, so you can't say that that one decision has relegated them - however unjust it feels. Bournemouth need to accept the relegation and move one.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 28, 2020 12:05:43 GMT 1
*sigh* I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 28, 2020 12:17:39 GMT 1
Another indication of the gulf in finances between first and second tiers that even an apparently wealthy owner will grasp at any chance of avoiding the drop no matter how flimsy the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 12:45:37 GMT 1
*sigh* I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice. This is potentially great news for us. Now there's a precedent to go back in time and get the Mounie sending off cancelled and replay the Brighton game from when we were leading 1-0. Not the mention the penalty at Cardiff that was given then cancelled.
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Post by softboy on Jul 28, 2020 14:00:35 GMT 1
If this gets as far as a Lawyer taking it on then my dwindling faith in football, particularly at the top level will be pretty much shot. This was 8/9 games ago, did not involve Bournmouth, no one knows what would have happened for the rest of the game or the rest of the season for that matter. Are we going to end up reviewing every decision at the end of every game and change the result if a decision was wrong to save the PL/EFL being sued at a later date.
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Post by canuckterrier on Jul 28, 2020 15:21:18 GMT 1
Another indication of the gulf in finances between first and second tiers that even an apparently wealthy owner will grasp at any chance of avoiding the drop no matter how flimsy the case. I don't believe they are looking at reversing the relegation decision. It's more at looking for compensation. Either way it is a ridiculous claim.
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Post by softboy on Jul 28, 2020 16:09:20 GMT 1
And the next case if they loose the play-offs will be Brentford claimimg compensation from the EFL as they had a player sent off in their first leg which effected the result. I have to say that this might sound a joke but Wigan are appealing a "cast iron" 12 point deduction for going into Administration is far worse than either.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 28, 2020 16:32:45 GMT 1
Even if Bournemouth don't appeal, or appeal and (hopefully) get nowhere, this is just the start of things to come.
Football and litigation will go hand in hand as soon as vast sums of "loss" start to be involved.
Meanwhile, there are many people in supporters trusts, club schemes etc. who'll be out & about fundraising for clubs at much lower levels of the pyramid who will just be getting on with it. Because as much as though they'll have some gripes, they also realise it's how things work, sometimes you get dealt a shit hand but it's pointless wasting effort on battling it.
These shithouses continue to destroy any ethics that top level football professes to have...
Covid-19 - the integrity of the competition - bollocks...
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Post by fogster66 on Jul 28, 2020 17:38:18 GMT 1
The only precedent I can remember was when Sheff Utd put in a claim against West Ham for fielding Tevez (and I think Mascherano) for the last few premier league games. Both players were ineligible to play according to PL rules, West Ham were fined but not deducted points and finished just above the relegation zone. Sheff Utd were relegated. I had some sympathy with Sheff Utd at the time and wondered what the decision would have been if it had been the other way around. Sheff Utd won the case and were awarded compensation. However, this case is completely different - an honest mistake that had a single effect in a single game vs. a sustain breach of rules. I've always enjoyed seeing the likes of Bournemouth having some success but if they go down this route then I'm sure they'll lose the respect of just about every neutral in the country. They should just accept that they were poor for the majority of the season and move on.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 28, 2020 20:02:35 GMT 1
*sigh* I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice. That's ridiculous. Who is to say that the season wouldn't have panned out differently had that goal been given. Villa would likely have played the last game differently, as would Watford etc. Take your medicine and move on Bournemouth. Fully agree. Villa were also the victims of the worst refereeing decision of the season at Crystal Palace when they scored an ‘equaliser’ that was disallowed in the last minute.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 1, 2020 21:07:04 GMT 1
Eddie's off.
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Post by terrierforever on Aug 2, 2020 11:20:36 GMT 1
I would have thought with Eddie in charge they might have gone for an attempt to get back up.
Does anyone think the Cowley's might go there now?
The Bournemouth rise was good before the money. It was there time to come back down.
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Post by griffa on Aug 2, 2020 11:43:02 GMT 1
*sigh* I guess the Ruskie has found something to spend his millions on, legal advice. This is potentially great news for us. Now there's a precedent to go back in time and get the Mounie sending off cancelled and replay the Brighton game from when we were leading 1-0. Although your comments were "tongue in cheek," there is no doubt, that some of the ridiculous decisions made by various officials, i.e. Michael Oliver, awarding a free kick, against Alex Pritchard, rather than awarding a penalty against David Luiz, opening game of season 2018/19 v Chelsea! Despite all of shocking decisions by match officials, that season, you have to move on & accept the fallibility of Referees! Onwards & upwards - UTT.
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Post by Marshleeds on Aug 2, 2020 11:52:01 GMT 1
Paul Cook also parted company with Wigan? Prime candidate for A.F.C. Bournemouth?
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