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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 15:22:41 GMT 1
Apologies if posted elsewhere.
A very interesting listen. Strange that he left given the things he discusses he was asked to do...
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Post by frankslegs on Jul 28, 2020 18:23:41 GMT 1
I fort-thought When I cum in-came in. Vis-this Fee-three. For gods sake now I know how we got the Cowleys.They speak the same alternative language.
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Post by frankslegs on Jul 28, 2020 18:27:14 GMT 1
In fairness it seems he was key getting E Smith Rowe.
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Post by royrace on Jul 28, 2020 18:35:42 GMT 1
In fairness it seems he was key getting E Smith Rowe. Hopefully Leigh has similar contacts.
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Post by impact on Jul 28, 2020 19:34:35 GMT 1
I found the bit about not having a targets this year interesting. It was sort of well we didn't go down so we achieved what we wanted.
I can't help thinking that lack of a target or ambition means people were happy getting along at the bare minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 19:43:51 GMT 1
Strange how everything he talks of being needed is everything we seemingly stopped trying to do under the Cowleys.
He clearly left to give DC autonomy, before PH changed his mind and we are reverting back to the original plan.
A wasted year or a necessary step to achieve survival? Who knows but it will have cost us a fair few quid.
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Post by specialun on Jul 28, 2020 19:44:46 GMT 1
He was in place for one transfer window - the best window we’d had in a long time
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 28, 2020 19:46:14 GMT 1
In fairness it seems he was key getting E Smith Rowe. Hopefully Leigh has similar contacts. Didn't the Cowleys try to get some brownie points for this, saying they had spent some time at Arsenal and made some good contacts? Or was I just very drunk?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 19:48:05 GMT 1
Very impressive cv, clearly had lots of contacts in the game and a very good reputation.
Good luck to Mr Bromby but I fear he will have a far shorter reach and lower influence.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 28, 2020 19:59:52 GMT 1
I found the bit about not having a targets this year interesting. It was sort of well we didn't go down so we achieved what we wanted. I can't help thinking that lack of a target or ambition means people were happy getting along at the bare minimum. That's been the biggest problem at this club in the last 50 years, lack of ambition and the benchmark set low, said it many many times before, it's held the club back, it really has.
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Post by trex on Jul 28, 2020 20:38:53 GMT 1
He was in place for one transfer window - the best window we’d had in a long time Even though we actually got worse following that window.
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Post by arroloui on Jul 28, 2020 20:55:42 GMT 1
Must be the only team club to come down from the premier league with no ambition to get back up In fact the only club to be happy with staying in the championship Typically town
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Post by wigster on Jul 28, 2020 20:58:07 GMT 1
Hopefully Leigh has similar contacts. Didn't the Cowleys try to get some brownie points for this, saying they had spent some time at Arsenal and made some good contacts? Or was I just very drunk? Like you, I got the impression that we got ESR because of the relationships that the Cowleys had built up at Arsenal - didn't they spend some of the close season there ? Listening to this interview David Webb does give the impression that it was also/mainly thanks to him that ESR came.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 28, 2020 21:13:23 GMT 1
Must be the only team club to come down from the premier league with no ambition to get back up In fact the only club to be happy with staying in the championship Typically town If we were happy staying in the Championship I think we'd have just saved a few quid (millions) on sackings rather than trying to change.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 28, 2020 21:13:50 GMT 1
Must be the only team club to come down from the premier league with no ambition to get back up In fact the only club to be happy with staying in the championship Typically town And with less money and a worse squad!!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 28, 2020 21:16:37 GMT 1
Must be the only team club to come down from the premier league with no ambition to get back up In fact the only club to be happy with staying in the championship Typically town I guess you're one of those fans that makes these statements without even trying to look beyond Town. We have made a hash of things, but to think we're on our own......insular.
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Post by arroloui on Jul 28, 2020 22:23:51 GMT 1
Must be the only team club to come down from the premier league with no ambition to get back up In fact the only club to be happy with staying in the championship Typically town If we were happy staying in the Championship I think we'd have just saved a few quid (millions) on sackings rather than trying to change. Mybe that's it Worried that the cowley family would get us promoted?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 22:26:25 GMT 1
Did I hear right that we wanted to reduce the wage bill in January, and succeeded?
Given we signed 6-7 players (including Lossl) Shows we must be paying Mbenza, Diakhaby & Kongolo a fortune.
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Post by specialun on Jul 28, 2020 23:27:47 GMT 1
He was in place for one transfer window - the best window we’d had in a long time Even though we actually got worse following that window. We entered January in 20th, finished season 18th. But I understand your point Lossl, Stearman and Toffolo all improved the back line Toffolo improved us all round ESR was on a different level King didn’t work and was always an odd signing we needed more width but others praised all round off field contribution Willock has his moments but not enough That’s a good outcome overall imo We also shipped out a number who we needed to and would’ve reduced the wage bill had Grabara not been injured (I understand?) The above didn’t compensate for Grant fading 4 open play goals since Xmas I think, Campbell’s poor second half, Simpson post injury worse than beforehand etc and I think a decision to play more conservatively Other teams also had January windows! But I’d argue the work we did in January was beneficial I.e. if we hadn’t have done the business we did our position would have been worse
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Post by impact on Jul 29, 2020 0:36:35 GMT 1
Even though we actually got worse following that window. We entered January in 20th, finished season 18th. But I understand your point Lossl, Stearman and Toffolo all improved the back line Toffolo improved us all round ESR was on a different level King didn’t work and was always an odd signing we needed more width but others praised all round off field contribution Willock has his moments but not enough That’s a good outcome overall imo We also shipped out a number who we needed to and would’ve reduced the wage bill had Grabara not been injured (I understand?) The above didn’t compensate for Grant fading 4 open play goals since Xmas I think, Campbell’s poor second half, Simpson post injury worse than beforehand etc and I think a decision to play more conservatively Other teams also had January windows! But I’d argue the work we did in January was beneficial I.e. if we hadn’t have done the business we did our position would have been worse It was seen as good because of how bad the summer had been. Overall I think it was bang average. We desperately needed wingers and got 1 who wasn't up to much. Yet we signed King which seemed odd at the time and still does now. We didn't need him. Toffolo did improve us all round, but that's because we didn't have a left back. We needed a centre half after banishing Kongolo and Elphick getting injured. Stearman was a decent replacement. Lossl is clearly better than Grabara, but probably wouldn't have happened if he didn't get injured. And ESR was desperately needed in the 10 role and was clearly better than the rest of the team. IMO we have taken a pretty average window and built it up so much just because of how bad the previous one was. To go into a season without a 1st choice left or right back was just ridiculous. We let 3 full backs go and didn't bring any in until after the season had started. And by the end of the season we had centre mid on the wings because we didn't have enough wingers.
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Post by specialun on Jul 29, 2020 0:41:29 GMT 1
We entered January in 20th, finished season 18th. But I understand your point Lossl, Stearman and Toffolo all improved the back line Toffolo improved us all round ESR was on a different level King didn’t work and was always an odd signing we needed more width but others praised all round off field contribution Willock has his moments but not enough That’s a good outcome overall imo We also shipped out a number who we needed to and would’ve reduced the wage bill had Grabara not been injured (I understand?) The above didn’t compensate for Grant fading 4 open play goals since Xmas I think, Campbell’s poor second half, Simpson post injury worse than beforehand etc and I think a decision to play more conservatively Other teams also had January windows! But I’d argue the work we did in January was beneficial I.e. if we hadn’t have done the business we did our position would have been worse It was seen as good because of how bad the summer had been. Overall I think it was bang average. We desperately needed wingers and got 1 who wasn't up to much. Yet we signed King which seemed odd at the time and still does now. We didn't need him. Toffolo did improve us all round, but that's because we didn't have a left back. We needed a centre half after banishing Kongolo and Elphick getting injured. Stearman was a decent replacement. Lossl is clearly better than Grabara, but probably wouldn't have happened if he didn't get injured. And ESR was desperately needed in the 10 role and was clearly better than the rest of the team. IMO we have taken a pretty average window and built it up so much just because of how bad the previous one was. To go into a season without a 1st choice left or right back was just ridiculous. We let 3 full backs go and didn't bring any in until after the season had started. And by the end of the season we had centre mid on the wings because we didn't have enough wingers. Agree with that - as you say the previous ones were disasters! Hopefully Chairman Phil won’t be agreeing what positions players play this summer like he did with Kongolo
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Post by Amigo on Jul 29, 2020 7:25:02 GMT 1
If we were happy staying in the Championship I think we'd have just saved a few quid (millions) on sackings rather than trying to change. Mybe that's it Worried that the cowley family would get us promoted? I really don't think that was it.
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Post by boooothy on Jul 29, 2020 8:25:33 GMT 1
Interesting interview but what a load of waffle.
Football has gone all silly strategy like most big businesses. Loads of post it notes, string in walls linking catchy words like alignment and lots of team meetings talking about what work is going to get done rather than actual work.
What was wrong with signing players that will try hard and help win football matches.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 29, 2020 8:39:08 GMT 1
Interesting interview but what a load of waffle. Football has gone all silly strategy like most big businesses. Loads of post it notes, string in walls linking catchy words like alignment and lots of team meetings talking about what work is going to get done rather than actual work. What was wrong with signing players that will try hard and help win football matches. Shitting hell, what a plan. Someone tell Phil about this checklist. Armed with this insight, I reckon he could scrap everyone in the backroom. Phil can do this himself.
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Post by boooothy on Jul 29, 2020 8:55:54 GMT 1
They have all been on the same football course.
I even heard Danny Higgingbottom banging on about signing players that represent the area the club is based. Stoke players have to be ones that run around a lot.
Stoke fans appreciate a flair player as much as Fulham fans. Neil Warnock is still the best manager in the division despite not knowing how to work a Powerpoint.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 29, 2020 9:08:19 GMT 1
Interesting interview but what a load of waffle. Football has gone all silly strategy like most big businesses. Loads of post it notes, string in walls linking catchy words like alignment and lots of team meetings talking about what work is going to get done rather than actual work. What was wrong with signing players that will try hard and help win football matches. Shitting hell, what a plan. Someone tell Phil about this checklist. Armed with this insight, I reckon he could scrap everyone in the backroom. Phil can do this himself. Unnecessarily overcomplicated. My missus works for a large organisation and the time she has wasted on zoom meetings during lockdown is unbelievable, Getting the work done is the key, not meetings about getting it done. I came home for lunch the other day and the missus was just starting a dept zoom meeting.... I made lunch, bagel, eggs, smoked salmon and spinach, Ate it, made and drank a coffee, loaded the dishwasher, had a yogurt and a pint of water, went for a piss, and went back to work... probably 35 mins. She was sat on zoom and the meeting hadn't even started. Is it really that hard to identify good players? You could probably get suggestions on here more aligned to our requirements and budgets than a team of scouts and recruiters find. If we want to revolutionise then think outside the box and use the people that want the best for the club rather than themselves and their careers. The club should mobilise the fan base, similar to the way the football manager scouting works and formalise tip offs/supporter scouting.... Yes you would get alot of the "our jonny at battyeford u7s is the next messi" but if you separate the wheat from the chaff it would give you an edge.
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Post by royrace on Jul 29, 2020 9:09:23 GMT 1
We entered January in 20th, finished season 18th. But I understand your point Lossl, Stearman and Toffolo all improved the back line Toffolo improved us all round ESR was on a different level King didn’t work and was always an odd signing we needed more width but others praised all round off field contribution Willock has his moments but not enough That’s a good outcome overall imo We also shipped out a number who we needed to and would’ve reduced the wage bill had Grabara not been injured (I understand?) The above didn’t compensate for Grant fading 4 open play goals since Xmas I think, Campbell’s poor second half, Simpson post injury worse than beforehand etc and I think a decision to play more conservatively Other teams also had January windows! But I’d argue the work we did in January was beneficial I.e. if we hadn’t have done the business we did our position would have been worse It was seen as good because of how bad the summer had been. Overall I think it was bang average. We desperately needed wingers and got 1 who wasn't up to much. Yet we signed King which seemed odd at the time and still does now. We didn't need him. Toffolo did improve us all round, but that's because we didn't have a left back. We needed a centre half after banishing Kongolo and Elphick getting injured. Stearman was a decent replacement. Lossl is clearly better than Grabara, but probably wouldn't have happened if he didn't get injured. And ESR was desperately needed in the 10 role and was clearly better than the rest of the team. IMO we have taken a pretty average window and built it up so much just because of how bad the previous one was. To go into a season without a 1st choice left or right back was just ridiculous. We let 3 full backs go and didn't bring any in until after the season had started. And by the end of the season we had centre mid on the wings because we didn't have enough wingers. I think it was good all things considered, January is a terrible time to try to recruit, you end up feeding off scraps and/or overpaying. I think the January signings were very good personally. Never quite got the King one but he was probably signed for his personality and attitude as well as anything else. Cowleys obviously wanted to change the culture in the dressing room. With a lot of these players now leaving there may well still be work to do on that front. Hopefully the hierarchy are aware of this otherwise I could see us starting the season with the same old problems.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 29, 2020 9:20:21 GMT 1
Shitting hell, what a plan. Someone tell Phil about this checklist. Armed with this insight, I reckon he could scrap everyone in the backroom. Phil can do this himself. Unnecessarily overcomplicated. My missus works for a large organisation and the time she has wasted on zoom meetings during lockdown is unbelievable, Getting the work done is the key, not meetings about getting it done. I came home for lunch the other day and the missus was just starting a dept zoom meeting.... I made lunch, bagel, eggs, smoked salmon and spinach, Ate it, made and drank a coffee, loaded the dishwasher, had a yogurt and a pint of water, went for a piss, and went back to work... probably 35 mins. She was sat on zoom and the meeting hadn't even started. Is it really that hard to identify good players? You could probably get suggestions on here more aligned to our requirements and budgets than a team of scouts and recruiters find. If we want to revolutionise then think outside the box and use the people that want the best for the club rather than themselves and their careers. The club should mobilise the fan base, similar to the way the football manager scouting works and formalise tip offs/supporter scouting.... Yes you would get alot of the "our jonny at battyeford u7s is the next messi" but if you separate the wheat from the chaff it would give you an edge. Smoked salmon and spinach for lunch and you’re rinsing lossl for eating muesli 😂
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Post by Champers on Jul 29, 2020 10:09:17 GMT 1
Shitting hell, what a plan. Someone tell Phil about this checklist. Armed with this insight, I reckon he could scrap everyone in the backroom. Phil can do this himself. Unnecessarily overcomplicated. My missus works for a large organisation and the time she has wasted on zoom meetings during lockdown is unbelievable, Getting the work done is the key, not meetings about getting it done. I came home for lunch the other day and the missus was just starting a dept zoom meeting.... I made lunch, bagel, eggs, smoked salmon and spinach, Ate it, made and drank a coffee, loaded the dishwasher, had a yogurt and a pint of water, went for a piss, and went back to work... probably 35 mins. She was sat on zoom and the meeting hadn't even started. Is it really that hard to identify good players? You could probably get suggestions on here more aligned to our requirements and budgets than a team of scouts and recruiters find. If we want to revolutionise then think outside the box and use the people that want the best for the club rather than themselves and their careers. The club should mobilise the fan base, similar to the way the football manager scouting works and formalise tip offs/supporter scouting.... Yes you would get alot of the "our jonny at battyeford u7s is the next messi" but if you separate the wheat from the chaff it would give you an edge. Do you weigh 6 stone or something?! If I had that for lunch my stomach would think my throat had been cut.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 29, 2020 10:55:32 GMT 1
Unnecessarily overcomplicated. My missus works for a large organisation and the time she has wasted on zoom meetings during lockdown is unbelievable, Getting the work done is the key, not meetings about getting it done. I came home for lunch the other day and the missus was just starting a dept zoom meeting.... I made lunch, bagel, eggs, smoked salmon and spinach, Ate it, made and drank a coffee, loaded the dishwasher, had a yogurt and a pint of water, went for a piss, and went back to work... probably 35 mins. She was sat on zoom and the meeting hadn't even started. Is it really that hard to identify good players? You could probably get suggestions on here more aligned to our requirements and budgets than a team of scouts and recruiters find. If we want to revolutionise then think outside the box and use the people that want the best for the club rather than themselves and their careers. The club should mobilise the fan base, similar to the way the football manager scouting works and formalise tip offs/supporter scouting.... Yes you would get alot of the "our jonny at battyeford u7s is the next messi" but if you separate the wheat from the chaff it would give you an edge. Do you weigh 6 stone or something?! If I had that for lunch my stomach would think my throat had been cut. I'm strong to the finich , Cause I eats me spinach.
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