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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 16:03:21 GMT 1
If he’s anywhere near his loan form then he’s back in the match day squad with out a doubt for me Anywhere near his Preston away form then he can fuck off If you thought his cameo at Deepdale was bad thank your lucky stars you didn’t travel to Bristol City to see him perform! That was a terrible day but everyone was shockingly bad. He’d to single him out as worse that the rest.
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 8, 2020 16:05:22 GMT 1
Whilst his lack of effort was unforgiveable in my eyes, there's an element of truth in the above. I'd suggest anyone signing for us in the Prem years knew there was a reasonable chance that they ended up contracted to a Championship club, but I doubt they envisaged that club being quite in the state we ended up being. I imagine most thought a tilt at getting back was the worst that would happen. Same goes for the likes of Schindler and Hogg. I think you could get a fair bit of insight into what Kongolo was expecting when was happy to go on loan to Fulham, and his comments when he signed there. With that in mind he was probably expecting the likelihood of getting relegated, but with the understanding that we'd be trying to challenge for promotion again. I'd say the same applies for Grant. I'd wager the pitch when he was signed was "look we know we are very likely to be relegated but we want you to gain some top flight experience and then help fire us straight back next season" not "come play in the Prem for 3 months then hang around whilst we lose almost every player of note, spend SFA, reduce our wage bill back to mid/lower end champ levels almost immediately and almost get relegated to L1 because the bloke who bought you wants his money back". The players aren't immune to the same frustrations we have.
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Post by incognito on Oct 8, 2020 16:38:24 GMT 1
Pretty sure there's a substantial fee to be paid to Monaco as part of his transfer agreement if he makes something like another 3 or 4 appearances. That must be in the back of the clubs mind Quite feasible that there could be some sort of fee payable after a certain number of games played, but 46/47 seems an unusual milestone for it to be based upon, doesn't it?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Oct 8, 2020 16:40:30 GMT 1
Worked out well for Bogarde - never played for anyone after that. I think TK has a future here. New manager, new impetus, new style that will suit him, two young dutch compatriots in the squad. If CC can help him get his head right we have a hell of a fine player on our hands. If we can rehabilitate Diabenza into the first team squad as we have, Kongolo should be a no brainer. Just checking BigDaddyG - are you happy with the two player's performances since we "rehabilitated Diabenza into the first team squad "? If so, and it is only my opinion, but in which match did you see them break sweat and play as though they really cared for Huddersfield Town ? I think they've both showed marked improvement in their application compared to previously. Mbenza against Forest, particularly. I have absolutely no doubt that if CC felt they were not committed, they wouldn't be anywhere near the first team. It;s very easy to accuse players of not caring, but it's usually wide of the mark. Very few footballers enjoy losing, very few are satisfied playing badly. You get the odd exception of capable players who don;t enjkoy the game, JOel Lynch and Pascal Chimbonda both spring to mind, but I think both Diakhaby and Mbenza want to succeed and are committed, and I think it's crass and lazy to suggest otherwise. As for their ability, that's another matter, but I have seen enough from Mbenza to suggest he can put dangerous balls in the box and that if we get the right options in the box for him to hit,he can get assists.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Oct 8, 2020 16:41:39 GMT 1
Pretty sure there's a substantial fee to be paid to Monaco as part of his transfer agreement if he makes something like another 3 or 4 appearances. That must be in the back of the clubs mind Quite feasible that there could be some sort of fee payable after a certain number of games played, but 46/47 seems an unusual milestone for it to be based upon, doesn't it? So maybe it's another 6 or 7?
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Post by htfc1908 on Oct 8, 2020 17:41:09 GMT 1
If he is welcomed back into the fold so to to speak who misses out? we.ve some decent players back there in Schindler, Stearman, Crichlow and now Sarr, Can he play up front?
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Post by bluesandtwos on Oct 8, 2020 17:58:34 GMT 1
Just checking BigDaddyG - are you happy with the two player's performances since we "rehabilitated Diabenza into the first team squad "? If so, and it is only my opinion, but in which match did you see them break sweat and play as though they really cared for Huddersfield Town ? I think they've both showed marked improvement in their application compared to previously. Mbenza against Forest, particularly. I have absolutely no doubt that if CC felt they were not committed, they wouldn't be anywhere near the first team. It;s very easy to accuse players of not caring, but it's usually wide of the mark. Very few footballers enjoy losing, very few are satisfied playing badly. You get the odd exception of capable players who don;t enjkoy the game, JOel Lynch and Pascal Chimbonda both spring to mind, but I think both Diakhaby and Mbenza want to succeed and are committed, and I think it's crass and lazy to suggest otherwise. As for their ability, that's another matter, but I have seen enough from Mbenza to suggest he can put dangerous balls in the box and that if we get the right options in the box for him to hit,he can get assists. His shot against, Norwich was it?, when he fired toward the near corner and the keeper saved it, was decent and showed he can make those quick decisions to pass or shoot, which seems to have been lacking from quite a few of our front line. I know I have rose coloured glasses but I just think he may come good. Looks happy in the training videos so lets hope he proves his doubters wrong.
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Post by boooothy on Oct 8, 2020 18:09:55 GMT 1
I don’t think there is too much wrong with the effort put in by Diabenza.
They are just rubbish footballers.
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Post by detox on Oct 8, 2020 18:18:41 GMT 1
Quite feasible that there could be some sort of fee payable after a certain number of games played, but 46/47 seems an unusual milestone for it to be based upon, doesn't it? So maybe it's another 6 or 7? I find it hard to believe that having paid top dollar for Kongolo there would be any performance related add ons.....that's usually for bargain buys
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Post by kindo on Oct 8, 2020 18:41:36 GMT 1
I don’t think there is too much wrong with the effort put in by Diabenza. They are just rubbish footballers. When are people going to admit these two lads are shit. Its not their fault Town paid silly money for them, we fell in to the PL money trap big time. Who wouldn't swap a Gary Crosby or a Gary Roberts for them? Never mind Thornley or bloody Dave Cowling. Look at Mbenza walking on to training pitch with earrings and stupid hat on. The sooner they are shipped out the better. Clowns both of them
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Post by kindo on Oct 8, 2020 18:43:35 GMT 1
I don’t think there is too much wrong with the effort put in by Diabenza. They are just rubbish footballers. When are people going to admit these two lads are shit. Its not their fault Town paid silly money for them, we fell in to the PL money trap big time. Who wouldn't swap a Gary Crosby or a Gary Roberts for them? Never mind Thornley or bloody Dave Cowling. Look at Mbenza walking on to training pitch with earrings and stupid hat on. The sooner they are shipped out the better. Clowns both of them And can I just say I am 'super' sorry if I've offended any clowns that may be reading this. It was never my intention to do so
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Post by k1man999 on Oct 8, 2020 18:44:32 GMT 1
This 17.5 m keeps getting banded about. I was under the impression that he cost bout 13.5m and with criteria met ie keeping us up etc total cost was 17.5m maybe wrong.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 8, 2020 18:58:26 GMT 1
He's back amongst the team profiles on the HTAFC site. Wearing shirt number 5.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 19:40:48 GMT 1
eventually we have left footers
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Oct 8, 2020 22:10:20 GMT 1
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Oct 8, 2020 22:10:20 GMT 1
He's back amongst the team profiles on the HTAFC site. Wearing shirt number 5. Any truth in this? Was he not on there? It’s been that long since he’s played for us what was his squad number when he did? Was it 5 then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 22:59:58 GMT 1
So maybe it's another 6 or 7? I find it hard to believe that having paid top dollar for Kongolo there would be any performance related add ons.....that's usually for bargain buys Maybe you’re underestimating the naivety of the negotiators.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 23:05:07 GMT 1
He's back amongst the team profiles on the HTAFC site. Wearing shirt number 5. Any truth in this? Was he not on there? It’s been that long since he’s played for us what was his squad number when he did? Was it 5 then? No truth. Refer to news item htafc.com on 25th August. A typical case of lazy arsed conclusion jumping by the poster.
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Oct 9, 2020 0:50:48 GMT 1
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Post by Ross83 on Oct 9, 2020 0:50:48 GMT 1
Would be typical if he decided to stay now we look to have found a comfortable left sided CB.
If he did I'd be tempted to stick TK at LB and push Toffolo up onto the wing, he's our best crosser.
Yeah okay maybe a bit far fetched, can't really see it as much as I'd like to.
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Oct 9, 2020 0:52:22 GMT 1
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Post by upthetown on Oct 9, 2020 0:52:22 GMT 1
Would be typical if he decided to stay now we look to have found a comfortable left sided CB. If he did I'd be tempted to stick TK at LB and push Toffolo up onto the wing, he's our best crosser. Yeah okay maybe a bit far fetched, can't really see it as much as I'd like to. Not for me. Not a very good left back in my view.
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Oct 9, 2020 1:49:10 GMT 1
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Post by BerksTerrier84 on Oct 9, 2020 1:49:10 GMT 1
Still can’t see him staying. Pretty sure it’s a case of Town trying to prove his fitness. There’s no room for him with Sarr and Crichlow as our LCB options.
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Post by Metch on Oct 9, 2020 7:11:21 GMT 1
Although I rate Kongolo, we are well catered for at the back now and don't need him. He's the one we need to sell, more so than Grant whose goals are very difficult to replace.
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Post by boooothy on Oct 9, 2020 7:47:54 GMT 1
Would be typical if he decided to stay now we look to have found a comfortable left sided CB. If he did I'd be tempted to stick TK at LB and push Toffolo up onto the wing, he's our best crosser. Yeah okay maybe a bit far fetched, can't really see it as much as I'd like to. I think that works. Kongolo is a better left back than Toffolo (i know he was shite last season) from a defensive point it view and Toffolo would be better on the wing than any of the garbage we have there now.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 9, 2020 7:55:02 GMT 1
Would be typical if he decided to stay now we look to have found a comfortable left sided CB. If he did I'd be tempted to stick TK at LB and push Toffolo up onto the wing, he's our best crosser. Yeah okay maybe a bit far fetched, can't really see it as much as I'd like to. I think that works. Kongolo is a better left back than Toffolo (i know he was shite last season) from a defensive point it view and Toffolo would be better on the wing than any of the garbage we have there now. This notion that because a left back can cross a ball he should therefore be employed as a winger is flawed. It tends not to pan out well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 7:58:56 GMT 1
I think that works. Kongolo is a better left back than Toffolo (i know he was shite last season) from a defensive point it view and Toffolo would be better on the wing than any of the garbage we have there now. This notion that because a left back can cross a ball he should therefore be employed as a winger is flawed. It tends not to pan out well He could work as a wing back in a 3-5-2, but we don’t have two strikers !
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 9, 2020 8:01:10 GMT 1
I think that works. Kongolo is a better left back than Toffolo (i know he was shite last season) from a defensive point it view and Toffolo would be better on the wing than any of the garbage we have there now. This notion that because a left back can cross a ball he should therefore be employed as a winger is flawed. It tends not to pan out well Even more flawed when in our system the full back essentially is the winger and gets in more positions to cross than the wide man.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 9, 2020 8:17:11 GMT 1
This notion that because a left back can cross a ball he should therefore be employed as a winger is flawed. It tends not to pan out well Even more flawed when in our system the full back essentially is the winger and gets in more positions to cross than the wide man. Yeah he is up and down the line. The last player positionally I'd be looking to change is Toffolo. And Kongolo appears to have a fitness hurdle to overcome before being considered for the first team. Also some people have short memories about how utterly abysmal and disinterested he was last season. Loan Kongolo would walk into our team but that's a distant memory
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Oct 9, 2020 8:20:37 GMT 1
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Post by boooothy on Oct 9, 2020 8:20:37 GMT 1
I actually agree and it’s clearly better for all concerned if Kongolo leaves. But if we’re stuck with him, we have to get him in the team somehow.
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Oct 9, 2020 8:22:02 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 9, 2020 8:22:02 GMT 1
I actually agree and it’s clearly better for all concerned if Kongolo leaves. But if we’re stuck with him, we have to get him in the team somehow. Only if he improves the team
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Oct 9, 2020 8:38:26 GMT 1
I actually agree and it’s clearly better for all concerned if Kongolo leaves. But if we’re stuck with him, we have to get him in the team somehow. Only if he improves the team Which he does if back to his best form, if not we're stuck with a very expensive squad member that we can't sell.
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Oct 9, 2020 8:45:55 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 9, 2020 8:45:55 GMT 1
Only if he improves the team Which he does if back to his best form, if not we're stuck with a very expensive squad member that we can't sell. You used the word IF. He's been injured. The last time he played for us was a year ago and he was totally GARBAGE. As I said IF back to best he plays. But we are shite enough as it is to be able to afford the luxury of having players play just to put them in the shop window
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