Wagner Uber Alles
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 6, 2021 23:37:00 GMT 1
They have owners that are willing to invest to progress. We have an owner who constantly tells the fans that the club is skint. Billing - £15 Million Mooy - £5 Million Grant - £15 Million Sohbi - £5 Million Mounie - £5 Million That is 45 million right there! Add to that the parachute payments we get that Brentford don't. Please tell me where the club have invested that money? Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma? None of these cost us any where near a million. The club have had well over £50 Million coming in through parachute payments and transfers, and have invested about £2 million in the squad. And don't talk to me about the fact we get our payments for players over a few years. Because we will be doing the same for any players bought in. The happy clappers can get stuffed if they think what is going on is right. Dean taking out his £35-50 million at a time of collapsing revenue due to COVID whilst Phil has no ability (or is it desire?) to invest, could prove disastrous. I would expect loan repayments to have been suspended last Spring, let’s see what the accounts show.
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Feb 6, 2021 23:56:15 GMT 1
They have owners that are willing to invest to progress. We have an owner who constantly tells the fans that the club is skint. Billing - £15 Million Mooy - £5 Million Grant - £15 Million Sohbi - £5 Million Mounie - £5 Million That is 45 million right there! Add to that the parachute payments we get that Brentford don't. Please tell me where the club have invested that money? Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma? None of these cost us any where near a million. The club have had well over £50 Million coming in through parachute payments and transfers, and have invested about £2 million in the squad. And don't talk to me about the fact we get our payments for players over a few years. Because we will be doing the same for any players bought in. The happy clappers can get stuffed if they think what is going on is right. Dean taking out his £35-50 million at a time of collapsing revenue due to COVID whilst Phil has no ability (or is it desire?) to invest, could prove disastrous. I would expect loan repayments to have been suspended last Spring, let’s see what the accounts show. If Town had never made it to the Premier League, would Hoyle have expected his money back from the club? We made it to the big time which should have set the club on a positive and stable footing for years. They made a raft of god awful singings which the club is still having to pay for, which has eaten up the parachute payments. Add to that all the money from players we have sold is going to Hoyle. As fun as it was, for the clubs sake, maybe we would have been better off never making it to the Premier League.
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Post by dynastydan on Feb 7, 2021 0:22:42 GMT 1
Dean taking out his £35-50 million at a time of collapsing revenue due to COVID whilst Phil has no ability (or is it desire?) to invest, could prove disastrous. I would expect loan repayments to have been suspended last Spring, let’s see what the accounts show. If Town had never made it to the Premier League, would Hoyle have expected his money back from the club? We made it to the big time which should have set the club on a positive and stable footing for years. They made a raft of god awful singings which the club is still having to pay for, which has eaten up the parachute payments. Add to that all the money from players we have sold is going to Hoyle. As fun as it was, for the clubs sake, maybe we would have been better off never making it to the Premier League. If we didn't make it we would be right up shits creek. Imagine Hoyle selling to PH without parachute payments. We wouldn't have signed Mooy and Grant. Billings value wouldn't have been as high. What money could we have realistically used to have paid DH?
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 7, 2021 1:04:21 GMT 1
If Town had never made it to the Premier League, would Hoyle have expected his money back from the club? We made it to the big time which should have set the club on a positive and stable footing for years. They made a raft of god awful singings which the club is still having to pay for, which has eaten up the parachute payments. Add to that all the money from players we have sold is going to Hoyle. As fun as it was, for the clubs sake, maybe we would have been better off never making it to the Premier League. If we didn't make it we would be right up shits creek. Imagine Hoyle selling to PH without parachute payments. We wouldn't have signed Mooy and Grant. Billings value wouldn't have been as high. What money could we have realistically used to have paid DH? The club wasn’t worth £50 million he’s let PH buy him out with the clubs future parachute payments / player sales. Which is why getting up is now financially pointless.
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Post by impact on Feb 9, 2021 20:24:17 GMT 1
They have owners that are willing to invest to progress. We have an owner who constantly tells the fans that the club is skint. Billing - £15 Million Mooy - £5 Million Grant - £15 Million Sohbi - £5 Million Mounie - £5 Million That is 45 million right there! Add to that the parachute payments we get that Brentford don't. Please tell me where the club have invested that money? Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma? None of these cost us any where near a million. The club have had well over £50 Million coming in through parachute payments and transfers, and have invested about £2 million in the squad. And don't talk to me about the fact we get our payments for players over a few years. Because we will be doing the same for any players bought in. The happy clappers can get stuffed if they think what is going on is right. Dean taking out his £35-50 million at a time of collapsing revenue due to COVID whilst Phil has no ability (or is it desire?) to invest, could prove disastrous. I would expect loan repayments to have been suspended last Spring, let’s see what the accounts show. The acocunt won't show anything, the repayments are due in August and the accounts will only be up to 30th June 2020. It'll be the year after which shows that.
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Post by LTown on Jun 7, 2021 0:13:40 GMT 1
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 7, 2021 7:52:19 GMT 1
It's weird how much you can miss a ground that didn't even belong to your own club.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 7, 2021 7:52:30 GMT 1
Well at least we might see a side who will get patronised as much as we were at times then... 😁 Doubt it though, a London club, so there will be a few famous hanger on fans that they'll dig out. I wonder if that Bobby was on the look out for anyone not smoking, or without titfer?
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 7, 2021 7:54:49 GMT 1
An interesting video:
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Post by LTown on Jun 7, 2021 13:56:34 GMT 1
Fascinating. Brentford will need to make signings to strengthen for the Premier League, so it will be interesting to see how they go about it. Their recent success has been built on developing unrecognised talent, but the Prem is so unforgiving. Even if they go down next season, I am confident they will be in a position to fight another promotion campaign based on their successful model. Good luck to them.
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Post by runner76 on Jun 7, 2021 14:24:11 GMT 1
...well, I would assume that much of their success is thanks to Devlin who is now with us, so fingers crossed
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jun 7, 2021 14:27:17 GMT 1
It's weird how much you can miss a ground that didn't even belong to your own club. Only went four times and I echo the sentiment. It'll feel weird playing Brentford and not going to that ground or being in the area and the surroundings being different. Hopefully the Griffin pub has enough locals and regulars to keep it trading, think they've only moved a mile down the road so planned on still calling in next time we play them (If it ever happens again).
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Post by thomo on Jun 7, 2021 14:53:51 GMT 1
...well, I would assume that much of their success is thanks to Devlin who is now with us, so fingers crossed Maybe commercially though yet to see that bear any real fruit. But in terms of recruitment we couldn’t be further from their model. We sell best players and fail to invest in an up and coming replacement. Our signings seem short termist in the main. Could you honestly see Brentford signing Danny Ward or Jordan Rhodes on 3 year deals?
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Post by crux on Jun 7, 2021 15:14:17 GMT 1
...well, I would assume that much of their success is thanks to Devlin who is now with us, so fingers crossed Maybe commercially though yet to see that bear any real fruit. But in terms of recruitment we couldn’t be further from their model. We sell best players and fail to invest in an up and coming replacement. Our signings seem short termist in the main. Could you honestly see Brentford signing Danny Ward or Jordan Rhodes on 3 year deals? They signed Pontus Jansson!
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Post by goodbet on Jun 7, 2021 15:26:52 GMT 1
We seemed to start doing this a few years ago but since our promotion to the premier league it has almost disappeared.
I would suggest that we are putting out toes in the water to feel the temperature with the signing of Grant but nowhere near to the scale of other teams.
We seem to be aiming with our signings this window at building a team that will keep us where we are and any dabbling in promising talent may come if we manage to shift our two on extended contracts. Not sure that this would be the best plan, unless they were a little more ready for the Championship than say Grant was as we will need their replacements (if we manage to off load) to be fully ready for first team action.
Can everyone play moneyball, no, or we will all end up going for the same players. To be successful we need to be smarter and have better information than other teams and we don't seem to be close to that right now.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jun 7, 2021 21:01:42 GMT 1
We seemed to start doing this a few years ago but since our promotion to the premier league it has almost disappeared. I would suggest that we are putting out toes in the water to feel the temperature with the signing of Grant but nowhere near to the scale of other teams. We seem to be aiming with our signings this window at building a team that will keep us where we are and any dabbling in promising talent may come if we manage to shift our two on extended contracts. Not sure that this would be the best plan, unless they were a little more ready for the Championship than say Grant was as we will need their replacements (if we manage to off load) to be fully ready for first team action. Can everyone play moneyball, no, or we will all end up going for the same players. To be successful we need to be smarter and have better information than other teams and we don't seem to be close to that right now. The information itself I’d argue should be ubiquitous when it comes to Championship level. It’s more about how you use it, what’s the strategy and what are the key indicators that inform the strategy. That’s the hard part. The problem we have at the moment is that due to COVID everyone is playing their cards close to their chest. It appears everyone is desperate to sell (including us to a certain extent) but trying to keep a stiff upper lip to maintain the value of their assets. As time goes by business done in the window will accelerate, as clubs have to come to the table out of necessity.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jun 7, 2021 21:11:53 GMT 1
This is a good Twitter thread on Brentford’s model
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Post by space hardware on Jun 7, 2021 21:21:16 GMT 1
This is a good Twitter thread on Brentford’s model That was really interesting, cheers 👍🏻
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 8, 2021 7:12:30 GMT 1
We seemed to start doing this a few years ago but since our promotion to the premier league it has almost disappeared. I would suggest that we are putting out toes in the water to feel the temperature with the signing of Grant but nowhere near to the scale of other teams. We seem to be aiming with our signings this window at building a team that will keep us where we are and any dabbling in promising talent may come if we manage to shift our two on extended contracts. Not sure that this would be the best plan, unless they were a little more ready for the Championship than say Grant was as we will need their replacements (if we manage to off load) to be fully ready for first team action. Can everyone play moneyball, no, or we will all end up going for the same players. To be successful we need to be smarter and have better information than other teams and we don't seem to be close to that right now. Pipa Toffolo Danny Grant Sorba Thomas Most of the academy since we moved to the Brentford model, but particularly the young French lads. Still plenty of other players we’ve signed that fit the model, we just seem to be doing it haphazardly. I don’t mind signing a few solid pros but we should be keeping it to a minimum.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 8, 2021 13:23:15 GMT 1
It is a good thing to compare yourself to the best at a certain thing but we should never forget many do it much worse. Still a good discussion though.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 8, 2021 14:02:16 GMT 1
It is a good thing to compare yourself to the best at a certain thing but we should never forget many do it much worse. Still a good discussion though. Agree. There's a lot to learn from Brentford, but would they necessarily be in the same position if they got an unexpected promotion three years ago, whilst there a more examples to the contrary. Hopefully we're learning from our own experience too.
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Jun 8, 2021 19:56:59 GMT 1
Could you honestly see Brentford signing Danny Ward or Jordan Rhodes on 3 year deals?
Only just noticed this comment and thought to myself not only is that clearly true but what on earth does it say about our club. Not only do we buy up old has beens but give them contracts long enough for them to see out the last legs of their careers. We are a charity shop run by people interested in merely lining their own pockets at our cost. Shocking!
For a club recently relegated from the Premier League we are an embarrassment. As many have said on here, when we were in the Premier League the pundits treated us like the small time club we have yet again strived to become. Huddersfield Town on past achievements, records regarding attendances and previous reputation before the 1970s were one of the biggest clubs in the land. The relegation year of 1972 marked the key turning point and since then we have become a complete irrelevance to everybody but ourselves. Who or what is to blame?
Think about this. Newcastle United have not won a trophy since 1969 and remain far from where their fans want them to be but they are not an irrelevance. I could say the same for clubs in our 'category' like Burnley. But we are now below the likes of Brentford, Bristol City, Reading, Millwall, Bournemouth and Swansea City who have little or no real history of achievement but consistently show a willingness to get their clubs higher up the league. I could say Barnsley too because since the 1980s they have shown a marked determination to get themselves out of the third division and succeeded much quicker than we did. None of them have ever had crowds of over 40,000 in their histories yet I have attended three matches at Town where we exceeded that figure. The only club I can think of that has remained below us in terms of ambition, and I apologise to their fans here if I am wrong, are Northampton Town who were a top flight club for a season in the mid 1960s.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 9, 2021 14:56:17 GMT 1
Think about this. Newcastle United have not won a trophy since 1969 and remain far from where their fans want them to be but they are not an irrelevance. I could say the same for clubs in our 'category' like Burnley. But we are now below the likes of Brentford, Bristol City, Reading, Millwall, Bournemouth and Swansea City who have little or no real history of achievement but consistently show a willingness to get their clubs higher up the league. I could say Barnsley too because since the 1980s they have shown a marked determination to get themselves out of the third division and succeeded much quicker than we did. None of them have ever had crowds of over 40,000 in their histories yet I have attended three matches at Town where we exceeded that figure. The only club I can think of that has remained below us in terms of ambition, and I apologise to their fans here if I am wrong, are Northampton Town who were a top flight club for a season in the mid 1960s. Think about this: three years ago every one of those clubs you name, apart from Burnley and Bournemouth, would have swapped places with us and no doubt their fans were saying "If Huddersfield can do it why can't we?". Everything that's happened since then is down to the fact we made monumental mistakes in the transfer market in 2018.
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