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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 22, 2020 5:53:45 GMT 1
I'm talking about generating massive transfer fees.
Example Said Benrahma - aged 25, 83 appearances, 27 goals (all in the Championship). £20 million plus £5 million in add ons.
Compared to Karlan Grant - aged 23, 56 appearances, 23 goals (including 4 in the PL). Finally after a long argument £15 million tops.
This is just one example but there are others too. Why are they so much better than us at bringing in the cash?
EDIT - Watkins £27m, Maupay £20m.
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Post by stevecato64 on Oct 22, 2020 6:12:31 GMT 1
Some clubs have that reputation I guess, clubs go to them and pay more.. Look st Southampton also..
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Post by aksaiblue on Oct 22, 2020 7:20:00 GMT 1
Must be the red and white stripes
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Post by stable on Oct 22, 2020 7:47:39 GMT 1
London prices
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Post by saintlyterrier on Oct 22, 2020 8:09:29 GMT 1
Southampton is 70 miles from London.
(Though the beer is almost as expensive, for reasons I don't understand.)
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Post by gpaul19781 on Oct 22, 2020 8:12:38 GMT 1
I'm talking about generating massive transfer fees. Example Said Benrahma - aged 25, 83 appearances, 27 goals (all in the Championship). £20 million plus £5 million in add ons. Compared to Karlan Grant - aged 23, 56 appearances, 23 goals (including 4 in the PL). Finally after a long argument £15 million tops. This is just one example but there are others too. Why are they so much better than us at bringing in the cash? EDIT - Watkins £27m, Maupay £20m. All 3 are much better all round players than Grant |
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 22, 2020 8:22:24 GMT 1
I'm talking about generating massive transfer fees. Example Said Benrahma - aged 25, 83 appearances, 27 goals (all in the Championship). £20 million plus £5 million in add ons. Compared to Karlan Grant - aged 23, 56 appearances, 23 goals (including 4 in the PL). Finally after a long argument £15 million tops. This is just one example but there are others too. Why are they so much better than us at bringing in the cash? EDIT - Watkins £27m, Maupay £20m. All 3 are much better all round players than Grant I disagree, certainly the stats above don't back that up. Grant has also proved be can score in the PL, even for a struggling team. |
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Post by boooothy on Oct 22, 2020 8:55:11 GMT 1
A big part of it is the initial investment.
A made up figure but i’d say if a transfer is a success you could maybe sell a player for 4 times what you paid.
So you either buy League 2s best player for 500k and sell for 2 million. A top league 1 player for 2 million and hope to sell for 8 million.
Or as Brentford have done with Toney bought the very best player in league 1 for say 5 million and hope to sell for the 20 million.
The bigger the fee the higher the risk/reward.
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Post by LTown on Oct 22, 2020 9:11:09 GMT 1
Other clubs fear that players are damaged goods after spending time at Town? It's grim ooop north.
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Post by royrace on Oct 22, 2020 9:15:41 GMT 1
Helps if the club is on the up and doing well. The opposite at town so rightly or wrongly devalues the asset. That and of course no other clubs fancied him. I think he'll do well and surprised more weren't in for him.
Brentfords recruitment has been consistently superb.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Oct 22, 2020 9:21:14 GMT 1
They have a stronger financial footing so sometimes can offer key players improved deals to stay (in the case of there goalie who was linked to Arsenal, www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-transfer-news-david-raya-contract-arsenal-interest-a4562206.html ) or can dig there heels in until there price is meet Town give the perception that they have to sell. The guys on the other side of the table may therefore see a weaker negotiating position - "will they really walk away? " - and therefore negotiate accordingly testing out real bottom line figure |
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Post by blueray4 on Oct 22, 2020 9:40:22 GMT 1
When we were in the PL we should have acquired their whole scouting team while we were on the up.
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Post by RickDangerous on Oct 22, 2020 9:44:49 GMT 1
Eye test. The players you mention are all better than Grant regardless of stats, watching them tells you that. I think the prices seem fair in relation to what you get. Watkins might be abit over the top.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Oct 22, 2020 9:47:02 GMT 1
the players mentioned are much more complete than Grant currently is. Their recruitment is amazing I don't know how they do it.
Because of the reputation they've now built for themselves say if a player has the choice of 5 championship clubs and 1 of them is Brentford, they are picking Brentford any day because every year their whole squad is linked with big money moves to the big leagues
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 22, 2020 10:23:09 GMT 1
A big part of it is the initial investment. A made up figure but i’d say if a transfer is a success you could maybe sell a player for 4 times what you paid. So you either buy League 2s best player for 500k and sell for 2 million. A top league 1 player for 2 million and hope to sell for 8 million. Or as Brentford have done with Toney bought the very best player in league 1 for say 5 million and hope to sell for the 20 million. The bigger the fee the higher the risk/reward. Toney certainly looks like a wise investment. We tend to dither when the opportunity stares us in the face, eg. Vardy. |
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 22, 2020 10:37:00 GMT 1
Eye test. The players you mention are all better than Grant regardless of stats, watching them tells you that. I think the prices seem fair in relation to what you get. Watkins might be abit over the top. I'm willing to bet that if Grant had been a Brentford player they would have sold him for a higher figure than we did. Maybe they just are a lot better at marketing than we are. |
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Post by impact on Oct 22, 2020 10:39:37 GMT 1
I think style of play comes into it.
They were all part of a fast attacking team, and even if the stats don't back that up it makes them look better. They get on the ball more, they can show their movement more and ultimately are just in the game a lot more.
It's the same with Peterborough and the number of attacking players they have made profits on - Maddison, Toney, Assombalonga, Marriott, Washington, Tomlin and I'm sure more. They are obviously good players but I also think their value gets inflated because of the team they were in.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 22, 2020 10:45:03 GMT 1
Their owner is also the owner of FC Midtjylland in Denmark, maybe other clubs too? They have a great scouting network and now a great reputation for uncovering gems, meaning they have really good players and can get the best price for them.
They invest a lot in the B team and have a conveyor belt of players coming through in relation to us - they won’t sell all their potential for huge money but they buy enough so that they can replace them easily and if one doesn’t work out they’ve got others. We only had Grant which doesn’t leave a lot of room for manoeuvre.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2020 12:08:17 GMT 1
All 3 are much better all round players than Grant I disagree, certainly the stats above don't back that up. Grant has also proved be can score in the PL, even for a struggling team. Watkins has scored as many in one game as Grant really did in half a season. Maupay has got more in the first 6 games of this season. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Oct 22, 2020 12:43:55 GMT 1
Not having a go at the OP, but I find the comparison to single clubs quite frustrating. We've seen it with Peterborough and Brentford before our promotion. No one picks all the shitty examples to compare us against.
We've just had two horrid years, but the jump to the Prem was huge, and in hindsight we weren't ready for it. In my view this was in part due to taking some cheap options in our infrastructure, the mess in the HoF role, but also over-achieving on the pitch.
Brentford have been able to gradually progress, which has meant they were always ready for what was in front of them.
They should be lauded, but they're not a stick to beat us with.
On the specific point, I agree with the other posters; the Brentford players are much more rounded players.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Oct 22, 2020 13:41:01 GMT 1
Brentford fans most likely talk up their player rather than talk down. It’s fine to tell WBA fans that we have your pants down AFTER the deal is done, but doing it before a deal is done is just plain stupid.
Whatever you think of the club, whatever you think of the owner and whatever you think of the player, you only hurt yourselves and the chances of the club of buying promising replacement players with ‘extra cash’.
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Post by dm on Oct 22, 2020 14:07:47 GMT 1
I disagree, certainly the stats above don't back that up. Grant has also proved be can score in the PL, even for a struggling team. Watkins has scored as many in one game as Grant really did in half a season. Maupay has got more in the first 6 games of this season. Grant was 21 in a team that weren't far off being the worst PL team ever. Watkins is 25 in December at Villa are 2nd with a 100% record (possibly partly down to OW). Maupay is 24 and was clearly a quality player (he already had a big reputation and had played for France at u16, 17, 19 and 21 level... I think he had just lost his way from some early promise as a teen... I knew of him 8 years ago from Football Manager). The impressive thing for me is their repeated ability to sign young players with good reputations from Europe. |
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Post by htfctx on Oct 22, 2020 15:39:28 GMT 1
All 3 are much better all round players than Grant I disagree, certainly the stats above don't back that up. Grant has also proved be can score in the PL, even for a struggling team. Simple as that. Better players higher prices. Stats aside Billing can't get into a Championship side. Mooy was sent off to China Grant didn't look like scoring for West Brom, offside goal was rusty timing, it was also a sitter. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2020 16:33:30 GMT 1
I'm talking about generating massive transfer fees. Example Said Benrahma - aged 25, 83 appearances, 27 goals (all in the Championship). £20 million plus £5 million in add ons. Compared to Karlan Grant - aged 23, 56 appearances, 23 goals (including 4 in the PL). Finally after a long argument £15 million tops. This is just one example but there are others too. Why are they so much better than us at bringing in the cash? EDIT - Watkins £27m, Maupay £20m. Everyone knows we are a joke? The players they sell are better? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 22, 2020 16:44:17 GMT 1
Why is everyone obsessed about cash. When was the last time they were in the top division? Errr not in my lifetime. Good luck to them they've been well run (compared to most clubs in the 92) but i bet their fans would swap what they've had for what we've had in the last decade
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Post by htfctx on Oct 22, 2020 16:53:41 GMT 1
Often thought that getting promoted to the EPL is a bad bargain. The squad's success is repaid with high-end replacements. Unless you are Norwich and are willing to take a season of batterings, to bank "half" of the tv money. No transfers but the existing squad are rewarded with better money and performance bonus'. Would anyone take Bolton's recent path over Brentfords?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 22, 2020 16:59:28 GMT 1
Often thought that getting promoted to the EPL is a bad bargain. The squad's success is repaid with high-end replacements. Unless you are Norwich and are willing to take a season of batterings, to bank "half" of the tv money. No transfers but the existing squad are rewarded with better money and performance bonus'. Would anyone take Bolton's recent path over Brentfords? In the last 20 years? Too fucking right. They've been to grounds Brentford have never been to. They've savoured winning a Wembley championship final win.. They've been in Europe. They've seen players like anelka in white.. People forget football is about moments and get hung up by finances and spreadsheets. I bet you wouldn't find a Brentford fan who wouldn't swap their moments for Boltons moments |
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Post by htfctx on Oct 22, 2020 17:11:14 GMT 1
Often thought that getting promoted to the EPL is a bad bargain. The squad's success is repaid with high-end replacements. Unless you are Norwich and are willing to take a season of batterings, to bank "half" of the tv money. No transfers but the existing squad are rewarded with better money and performance bonus'. Would anyone take Bolton's recent path over Brentfords? In the last 20 years? Too fucking right. They've been to grounds Brentford have never been to. They've savoured winning a Wembley championship final win.. They've been in Europe. They've seen players like anelka in white.. People forget football is about moments and get hung up by finances and spreadsheets. I bet you wouldn't find a Brentford fan who wouldn't swap their moments for Boltons moments And the next 20 years? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 22, 2020 17:16:31 GMT 1
In the last 20 years? Too fucking right. They've been to grounds Brentford have never been to. They've savoured winning a Wembley championship final win.. They've been in Europe. They've seen players like anelka in white.. People forget football is about moments and get hung up by finances and spreadsheets. I bet you wouldn't find a Brentford fan who wouldn't swap their moments for Boltons moments And the next 20 years? Come back in 20 years how should I know. Theyll have to do stuff they have never done in their history to trump the mamories of the Bolton fans though |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 22, 2020 17:19:25 GMT 1
Are Brentford fans going to savour getting £20m for Maupay in the way town fans will savour Schindler’s penalty or the win against Man U at home? Are they fuck.
Our profile also went through the roof by being in the premier league - Eiting referenced this in his interview. I’ll bet some of these kids we’re signing from France wouldn’t have signed for the town of 5 years ago.
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