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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2020 12:26:23 GMT 1
We have 33% wins in the last 10 seasons? I will look at that because its damned impossible. Saved you the trouble. 19/20 - 13 18/19 - 3 17/18 - 9 16/17 - 25 15/16 - 13 14/15 - 13 13/14 - 14 12/13 - 15 11/12 - 21 10/11 - 23 Speaking of selective. If you add in all the play-off matches and cup matches (competitive matches over 90 mins) whats the win rate then Kenny? Suddenly way less than 30% i would hazard. You talk of success...most of the wins listed were in Division 1 versus minnows. It also includes the 48 match unbeaten run where we defied logic for 6 months...how we went so many games without losing is still a mystery. Nope, we have underperformed and in the last 3.5 seasons we have one of the worst football league records ever recorded. You will be throwing in 1925 next! Its like Darwen in the 1890's!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2020 12:27:11 GMT 1
I'm sorry BigDaddyG but if you're trying to persuade us that Wycombe were in any way a good side I think you'll struggle, certainly on last night's performance. They were incredible limited (and at times a bit embarrassing the way they rely on Akimfemwa)BUT as you say last night they were highly effective - why ? They played EXACTLY as we knew they would so you would have thought we might have had some plan to counteract that. If not, some urgency and determination to win. Towards the end it seemed we were happy to get a draw. I don't blame Wycombe at all - a club with little money,few resources, and fewer good players. We, on the other hand,...oh hang on... Didn't say they were good, said they were effective, and recent results bear that out. My point was better sides than us failed to beat them, and sides comparabile to us actually lost against them. They will be rock bottom, the 1/3 is stealing money.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 25, 2020 12:43:52 GMT 1
What's up Oti - someone nicked your loafers, you in a grumpy mood today? 13 months of illness due to cancer treatment. Hardly sleeping. 11 months of Covid madness without reason. Unable to see my girlfriend 7 months. Unable to go to my home. Unable to go to India for the winter....on top of that i have 6 months to live.....full of the joys of spring I'm not downplaying your predicament, but with 6 months to live, why aren't you out there doing stuff that you'll get some pleasure from - not coming on here and winding up your blood pressure... I get that old habits die hard, but there must be something in Blighty that's still worth adding to your bucket list? (or whatever it's called)
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2020 12:50:54 GMT 1
13 months of illness due to cancer treatment. Hardly sleeping. 11 months of Covid madness without reason. Unable to see my girlfriend 7 months. Unable to go to my home. Unable to go to India for the winter....on top of that i have 6 months to live.....full of the joys of spring I'm not downplaying your predicament, but with 6 months to live, why aren't you out there doing stuff that you'll get some pleasure from - not coming on here and winding up your blood pressure... I get that old habits die hard, but there must be something in Blighty that's still worth adding to your bucket list? (or whatever it's called) Are you quite mad? Its pissing it down in winter with lockdown. Should i do the Pennine Way? I am in Tenerife....just walked the 5kms to the fishing village of La Caleta this morning. Was up at 6am making 200 bets. Off for tuna steak tonight at La Gomero. I want to get to India but no visas being issued. Must go, my 32 year old girlfriend is at the pool (25 degrees) and i have my Knights Templar book to work on.
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 25, 2020 12:53:46 GMT 1
Saved you the trouble. 19/20 - 13 18/19 - 3 17/18 - 9 16/17 - 25 15/16 - 13 14/15 - 13 13/14 - 14 12/13 - 15 11/12 - 21 10/11 - 23 Speaking of selective. If you add in all the play-off matches and cup matches (competitive matches over 90 mins) whats the win rate then Kenny? Suddenly way less than 30% i would hazard. You talk of success...most of the wins listed were in Division 1 versus minnows. It also includes the 48 match unbeaten run where we defied logic for 6 months...how we went so many games without losing is still a mystery. Nope, we have underperformed and in the last 3.5 seasons we have one of the worst football league records ever recorded. You will be throwing in 1925 next! Its like Darwen in the 1890's! Cup matches? Play offs? I think the goal posts have just got wider. Your original figure just included league games. The data don't fit so bring in more beneficial data to support you argument. "Suddenly less than 30% I would hazard". I'm supposing this is a guess at the moment! Five year averages are a hot topic at the moment (total deaths data from ONS), so if our five year average is 28% win rate, then at 30% we are doing better than that. Of course if you are only interested in the recent league results (which is the nub of your argument) over the last 15 months we still have a win ratio of 30%. Pretty normal for a team in the bottom half of the championship. Anyway wins doesn't really tell the whole story... points per season would be a better measure of success out of total points possible.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 25, 2020 13:18:39 GMT 1
The most worrying thing?
How we can play so slowly and still make so many poorly directed, badly weighted and often utterly pointless passes?
Have a number of our squad already decided that heading is outlawed?
And finally, we play significantly more passes towards our own goal than the other way?
Hard to win a game...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 25, 2020 13:26:28 GMT 1
I'm not downplaying your predicament, but with 6 months to live, why aren't you out there doing stuff that you'll get some pleasure from - not coming on here and winding up your blood pressure... I get that old habits die hard, but there must be something in Blighty that's still worth adding to your bucket list? (or whatever it's called) Are you quite mad? Its pissing it down in winter with lockdown. Should i do the Pennine Way? I am in Tenerife....just walked the 5kms to the fishing village of La Caleta this morning. Was up at 6am making 200 bets. Off for tuna steak tonight at La Gomero. I want to get to India but no visas being issued. Must go, my 32 year old girlfriend is at the pool (25 degrees) and i have my Knights Templar book to work on. Aaaand, he's back in the room...
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Post by benhomly on Nov 25, 2020 14:07:05 GMT 1
I'm not downplaying your predicament, but with 6 months to live, why aren't you out there doing stuff that you'll get some pleasure from - not coming on here and winding up your blood pressure... I get that old habits die hard, but there must be something in Blighty that's still worth adding to your bucket list? (or whatever it's called) Are you quite mad? Its pissing it down in winter with lockdown. Should i do the Pennine Way? I am in Tenerife....just walked the 5kms to the fishing village of La Caleta this morning. Was up at 6am making 200 bets. Off for tuna steak tonight at La Gomero. I want to get to India but no visas being issued. Must go, my 32 year old girlfriend is at the pool (25 degrees) and i have my Knights Templar book to work on. Does this girlfriend you haven't seen for 7 months know about this other girlfriend in Tenerife?
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Post by ACW on Nov 25, 2020 14:27:59 GMT 1
Are you quite mad? Its pissing it down in winter with lockdown. Should i do the Pennine Way? I am in Tenerife....just walked the 5kms to the fishing village of La Caleta this morning. Was up at 6am making 200 bets. Off for tuna steak tonight at La Gomero. I want to get to India but no visas being issued. Must go, my 32 year old girlfriend is at the pool (25 degrees) and i have my Knights Templar book to work on. Does this girlfriend you haven't seen for 7 months know about this other girlfriend in Tenerife? Are you suggesting that Oti's tales may not be 100% truthful? You have to have a good memory when you are making stuff up.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 25, 2020 17:21:05 GMT 1
I trust the members of DATM will be awarded first editions of the Knights Templar work? A weighty tome if ever there was one to look forward to.
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Post by softboy on Nov 25, 2020 19:53:11 GMT 1
We need to calm down a little, and be pragmatic. This was a point away from home against a side who have only lost 1 in 6, and in that time have held Watford and Brentford, won away at Brum and beaten the Wendies. They are highly effective at the way they play, stopping other teams from finding rhythm etc. On another day, Sarr doesn't hit the post and scores and then the game opens up. I was disappointed not to see Phillips for the last 25/30 - seemed little risk in bringing him on. I'm sorry BigDaddyG but if you're trying to persuade us that Wycombe were in any way a good side I think you'll struggle, certainly on last night's performance. They were incredibly limited (and at times a bit embarrassing the way they rely on Akimfemwa)BUT as you say last night they were highly effective - why ? They played EXACTLY as we knew they would so you would have thought we might have had some plan to counteract that. If not, some urgency and determination to win. Towards the end it seemed we were happy to get a draw. I don't blame Wycombe at all - a club with little money,few resources, and fewer good players. We, on the other hand,...oh hang on...
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Post by softboy on Nov 25, 2020 19:55:26 GMT 1
Given their recent record (above - and which is better than ours) I would say they are not quite the crap some think they are. A useful point I would say but not a disaster.
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Post by ACW on Nov 25, 2020 20:28:17 GMT 1
Given their recent record (above - and which is better than ours) I would say they are not quite the crap some think they are. A useful point I would say but not a disaster. Considering how the game panned out, it was an excellent point. But a deserved one. Wycombe are obviously effective in what they do, which is disrupting the game as much as possible and stopping the opposition from playing. It works against teams who can't match them physically, but they will get found out against those who compete as well as they do, but have more quality on the ball. I have never seen a team as one-dimensional as Wycombe. Every time they had the ball - and I mean every time - they just launched the ball forward. No variation at all. Such a style might see them surprise a few, but I don't see it working in the long-term at this level. If it works for them, then good luck. I'm just glad I don't have to watch it every week. To say it is a turgid style of play makes it sound far more entertaining than it actually is.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2020 21:53:43 GMT 1
Speaking of selective. If you add in all the play-off matches and cup matches (competitive matches over 90 mins) whats the win rate then Kenny? Suddenly way less than 30% i would hazard. You talk of success...most of the wins listed were in Division 1 versus minnows. It also includes the 48 match unbeaten run where we defied logic for 6 months...how we went so many games without losing is still a mystery. Nope, we have underperformed and in the last 3.5 seasons we have one of the worst football league records ever recorded. You will be throwing in 1925 next! Its like Darwen in the 1890's! Cup matches? Play offs? I think the goal posts have just got wider. Your original figure just included league games. The data don't fit so bring in more beneficial data to support you argument. "Suddenly less than 30% I would hazard". I'm supposing this is a guess at the moment! Five year averages are a hot topic at the moment (total deaths data from ONS), so if our five year average is 28% win rate, then at 30% we are doing better than that. Of course if you are only interested in the recent league results (which is the nub of your argument) over the last 15 months we still have a win ratio of 30%. Pretty normal for a team in the bottom half of the championship. Anyway wins doesn't really tell the whole story... points per season would be a better measure of success out of total points possible. No, my 142 matches included all the competitive games Kenneth. Good point about points. Funny how we see things differently.....despite the Prem i think we have underachieved for all my lifetime. Finally, when i get a minute i will do the maths....reckon we have 25% wins in 20 years....way below average.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2020 21:56:49 GMT 1
Are you quite mad? Its pissing it down in winter with lockdown. Should i do the Pennine Way? I am in Tenerife....just walked the 5kms to the fishing village of La Caleta this morning. Was up at 6am making 200 bets. Off for tuna steak tonight at La Gomero. I want to get to India but no visas being issued. Must go, my 32 year old girlfriend is at the pool (25 degrees) and i have my Knights Templar book to work on. Does this girlfriend you haven't seen for 7 months know about this other girlfriend in Tenerife? She arrived yesterday....with a fake Covid test...i had such a sweat on i got her re-tested here....the Spanish health minister was on TV wittering about 60,000 euro fines!
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 25, 2020 22:04:32 GMT 1
Given their recent record (above - and which is better than ours) I would say they are not quite the crap some think they are. A useful point I would say but not a disaster. Considering how the game panned out, it was an excellent point. But a deserved one. Wycombe are obviously effective in what they do, which is disrupting the game as much as possible and stopping the opposition from playing. It works against teams who can't match them physically, but they will get found out against those who compete as well as they do, but have more quality on the ball. I have never seen a team as one-dimensional as Wycombe. Every time they had the ball - and I mean every time - they just launched the ball forward. No variation at all. Such a style might see them surprise a few, but I don't see it working in the long-term at this level. If it works for them, then good luck. I'm just glad I don't have to watch it every week. To say it is a turgid style of play makes it sound far more likely ntertaining than it actually is. They could try and play pretty football every week on the smallest budget in the division and get smashed by 5 every week.
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Post by ACW on Nov 25, 2020 22:34:02 GMT 1
Considering how the game panned out, it was an excellent point. But a deserved one. Wycombe are obviously effective in what they do, which is disrupting the game as much as possible and stopping the opposition from playing. It works against teams who can't match them physically, but they will get found out against those who compete as well as they do, but have more quality on the ball. I have never seen a team as one-dimensional as Wycombe. Every time they had the ball - and I mean every time - they just launched the ball forward. No variation at all. Such a style might see them surprise a few, but I don't see it working in the long-term at this level. If it works for them, then good luck. I'm just glad I don't have to watch it every week. To say it is a turgid style of play makes it sound far more likely ntertaining than it actually is. They could try and play pretty football every week on the smallest budget in the division and get smashed by 5 every week. I didn't say they should play pretty football, but I'd expect professional footballers to be capable of something better than booting the ball up in the air at every opportunity.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Nov 26, 2020 10:18:13 GMT 1
They could try and play pretty football every week on the smallest budget in the division and get smashed by 5 every week. I didn't say they should play pretty football, but I'd expect professional footballers to be capable of something better than booting the ball up in the air at every opportunity. I'd imagine they are capable of it, but they're playing to style dictated by the lovechild of the hairy bikers.
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 26, 2020 12:54:12 GMT 1
Given our summer transfer window, I fully expected us to be relegated. Our current league position means Carlos is over-performing despite lack of support from the owner.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 28, 2020 10:49:54 GMT 1
I didn't say they should play pretty football, but I'd expect professional footballers to be capable of something better than booting the ball up in the air at every opportunity. I'd imagine they are capable of it, but they're playing to style dictated by the lovechild of the hairy bikers. Wonder if he is as capable in the kitchen as those two?
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