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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Jan 9, 2021 21:53:01 GMT 1
You only gain experience by playing!
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Post by herefordaway on Jan 9, 2021 21:55:10 GMT 1
Saw the first hour and thought the kids did ok all things considered
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Post by fran on Jan 9, 2021 21:55:37 GMT 1
O know its like being at a trump MAGA rally 17 18 year olds put out for our club in the FA cup and we only got £43.6 million last year and spent 900,000 while the trumps of our club pocket the lot and the maga i.e. town people on here will still be be saying your not a true supporter if you dont follow the leaders
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 9, 2021 21:55:43 GMT 1
I’ve never had the attitude it’s only a cup game, be that League, FA or Paint Pot, so I’m not bothered if we lose, but I suppose that this is probably the best season you could have to go out at home in round 3 to a lower league team.
Not seen the game but I believe a very young and inexperienced Town team did well although they ultimately fell short, which brings me to the question, what’s our record for consecutive cup defeats, I presume we are currently on it ? and what’s the football league record for consecutive cup defeats, I’m guessing a Barrow / Rochdale Hartlepool in the 70s but we’ve got to getting close to that unwanted record as well.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 9, 2021 21:56:45 GMT 1
An entertaining first half and reasonable start to the second but experience took over in the end. The positives for me were Jones, who for a 17 year old looked to have lots of confidence in taking players on. Vallejo, who after a shaky start grew into the game and was the stand out player in the end. Rowe who has the who has the ability but could do with a run in the side as a winger rather than a wing back Philips who I'm sure will be a goal threat with better service and support. Negatives were Duhaney & Brown who simply aren't good enough at this level Daly shows flashes of good stuff but disappears from games. He needs to get involved more if he's to fulfill his potential Critchlow was poor, but he played well at the beginning of the season so could come good again. The others were neither here of there but you can't criticize them too much when they're all lumped in together against almost full strength L1 team. Like the Bournemouth game, Carlos got his team selection wrong again for me. He should have played 5 or 6 regulars in that team, after all with no midweek games, they'll have had a fortnight off by the time they play again. A TOTAL LACK OF PASSION ON THIS BOARD
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Post by Floyds on Jan 9, 2021 21:58:27 GMT 1
How many seasons is it since we’ve won a cup game? Hardly a one off. Except at least we scored today.
If ever there was a 3/1 banker...👍
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 9, 2021 21:59:22 GMT 1
An entertaining first half and reasonable start to the second but experience took over in the end. The positives for me were Jones, who for a 17 year old looked to have lots of confidence in taking players on. Vallejo, who after a shaky start grew into the game and was the stand out player in the end. Rowe who has the who has the ability but could do with a run in the side as a winger rather than a wing back Philips who I'm sure will be a goal threat with better service and support. Negatives were Duhaney & Brown who simply aren't good enough at this level Daly shows flashes of good stuff but disappears from games. He needs to get involved more if he's to fulfill his potential Critchlow was poor, but he played well at the beginning of the season so could come good again. The others were neither here of there but you can't criticize them too much when they're all lumped in together against almost full strength L1 team. Like the Bournemouth game, Carlos got his team selection wrong again for me. He should have played 5 or 6 regulars in that team, after all with no midweek games, they'll have had a fortnight off by the time they play again. I DONT THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW MUCH ABOUT FOOTBALL TO REALISE CARLOS GOT HIS TEAM SELECTION DREADFULLY WRONG. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW MUCH ABOUT FOOTBALL TO REALISE CARLOS UNDERSTOOD HIS INJURY DECIMATED FIRST TEAM NEEDED A REST.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 9, 2021 21:59:33 GMT 1
You only gain experience by playing! That's true but young players will become better players by playing alongside better, more experienced players rather than the same players they play with in the academy. For me, tonight should have been a mixture.
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Post by jqhtfc on Jan 9, 2021 21:59:53 GMT 1
Enjoyed that to be fair, thought the young lads put a good shift in against a much more experienced and decent enough league 1 side. Young lads will get loads from that and hopefully some kick on, only downside for me duhaney awful shouldn’t be here at the end of the season same age as pipa I believe and Is miles off the level. The F A Cup obviously means more to some than others but doubt anybody will mention the second rate team we fielded as just the result
I have been a very proud Town supporter for well over 50 years and what i witnessed tonight was nothing much more than dreadful rookie type management with certainly a disrespect for our fans ,opposition fans and the competition in general.
Not easily pleased like some on here
Can’t say I’m fussed at the FA cup hasn’t meant much for years since Utd decided to not play in it one year, premier league and champions money have made it a 2nd rate competition to most it’s good for an away trip to a lower club and that about it these days. As for the game Corberán said he was using the youth so no idea why anybody is surprised he literally said he was going to use the game to give minutes to players. As for enjoying it yeah I did some good young footballers mixing it and putting in a decent performance against a good club in the league below us no shows us that we have some talent coming through.
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Post by horwichterrier on Jan 9, 2021 22:00:33 GMT 1
Enjoyed that to be fair, thought the young lads put a good shift in against a much more experienced and decent enough league 1 side. Young lads will get loads from that and hopefully some kick on, only downside for me duhaney awful shouldn’t be here at the end of the season same age as pipa I believe and Is miles off the level. The F A Cup obviously means more to some than others but doubt anybody will mention the second rate team we fielded as just the result
I have been a very proud Town supporter for well over 50 years and what i witnessed tonight was nothing much more than dreadful rookie type management with certainly a disrespect for our fans ,opposition fans and the competition in general.
Not easily pleased like some on here
To some extent, I share your despair but it does seem to be the accepted norm for the FA Cup. I would have liked to have been at the Cup match v the Wendies back in 66 with a near 50,000 crowd but was probably deemed to young to go along with my brother (I am sure I had already been to some matches though). I did get the pleasure of the League Cup run in 67/68 in which we played a couple of teenage kids at full back but the difference was that they were not just already blooded into the first team - they were probably the best pair of full backs in the league and we didn't hang onto them much longer as the headed to the top division. Things have changed - we have to live with it - but what has not changed is that we shall support Town until we are six feet under.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 9, 2021 22:01:17 GMT 1
55 years ago. FA Cup 3rd Round, freezing Monday night, Huddersfield Town 3 Hartlepools United (under Brian Clough) 1. Magnificent game in front of 25,000 fans.
The FA Cup at its best.
Now it means nothing....at least to the clubs. If it means nothing to the clubs you can’t blame the fans for being apathetic too. CC needed to do what he did because it is the way football is nowadays. Now, more than ever before.
And that is very sad.
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Post by space hardware on Jan 9, 2021 22:02:00 GMT 1
The lads did OK. Some good performances and some dodgy ones defensively. But the overriding feeling I have is disappointment. We're not going to do much in the league at either end and I'd have liked a cup run. I understand why we made some changes but I don't understand why we didn't even have any of them on the bench, or why Diakhaby and Pritchard who have barely played were nowhere to be seen. It is also a bit scary when you compare that Cup team today with the cup team that held City 4 years ago. Our squad is way too thin still. Completely agree. Calling it "a squad" is actually pushing the definition of a squad. We've got a very decent core of around 14 players, as good as most clubs in the division. Beyond that, there's nothing really.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 9, 2021 22:04:02 GMT 1
55 years ago. FA Cup 3rd Round, freezing Monday night, Huddersfield Town 3 Hartlepools United (under Brian Clough) 1. Magnificent game in front of 25,000 fans. The FA Cup at its best. Now it means nothing....at least to the clubs. If it means nothing to the clubs you can’t blame the fans for being apathetic too. CC needed to do what he did because it is the way football is nowadays. Now, more than ever before. And that is very sad. My thoughts entirely epsom Wonder how many of this lot on here were about in that amazing 70s cup run when we actually made the quarter finals. The FA Cup still means alot to me as still the best competition in the world
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Post by yoy on Jan 9, 2021 22:08:53 GMT 1
Personally I thought they did well. The elements of naivety you’d expect from a young side were there. However it was coupled with some really good quality attacking moments. The side collectively is miles from being ready to be a championship team. However there’s definitely a load of promise. The point is though that we don’t need that team to be collectively good enough for the championship. 3/4 players make it as regulars or on the bench and that’s a good return. I know. That is what I was saying.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 9, 2021 22:11:03 GMT 1
55 years ago. FA Cup 3rd Round, freezing Monday night, Huddersfield Town 3 Hartlepools United (under Brian Clough) 1. Magnificent game in front of 25,000 fans. The FA Cup at its best. Now it means nothing....at least to the clubs. If it means nothing to the clubs you can’t blame the fans for being apathetic too. CC needed to do what he did because it is the way football is nowadays. Now, more than ever before. And that is very sad. My thoughts entirely epsom The difference being I am not criticising CC. He has to prioritise the league and it was more important to him to rest players even at the expense of not progressing to the next round. Unlike you, I’m not angry. I’m resigned to what the FA Cup has become. That is the sad bit. My grandsons (admittedly only 3 years and 5 weeks old) will likely never experience what I did......and that is sad.
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Post by alexdire on Jan 9, 2021 22:13:16 GMT 1
Some saying on here this was a waste of time and CC dropped a clanger - well I heartily disagree. We needed to rest players after playing the same 11 for 6 games in a matter of a few weeks. It was a great opportunity to see what our youngsters could do and to me some really stepped up to the plate and will have given CC plenty to think about. Vallejo improved throughout and looked really steady and dependable, very calm on the ball. Jones, Daly, Austerfield looked highly promising until some tiredness crept in. Aarons looked lively in his cameo, great energy and a good attitude - bodes well. The negatives were not too much of a surprise - DD looked lightweight and lacked commitment, Hamer nowhere near up to Schofield standard. Other promising performances from RCN, who I really like, and although Phillips didn’t get too many chances, his movement was good and just needed someone to play alongside. Rose scored a great goal and looks to have more in him than Diakarby will ever have. Not sure some of these kids are ready yet, so Jan signings still needed, but I think the future looks rosy. Sad we lost but enjoyed the game. Do you not think that with the team extremely unlikely to go up or down then a good financial cup run might have been a sensible target instead? What revenue? There are no fans, therefore no revenue.
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Post by horwichterrier on Jan 9, 2021 22:15:57 GMT 1
Yes, just been looking at the selection for that match which I seem to remember as not being a first team side. On checking it was half regulars, half fringe players (but generally ones that progressed e.g Billing and Lolley). Some Man City wit said they put out their reserve team - maybe, but a reserve team that cost £300 MILLION! It was a totally changed 11 apart from VLP. No Ward, Smith, Hefele, Schindler, Lowe, Hogg, Mooy, Kachunga, Brown or Wells. Apologies, you are correct as that is what I seem to remember. It's only when I looked at the team that I was surprised that it was relatively experienced (Whitehead, Cranie, Hudson, Quaner, VLP, with good youngsters such as Billing, Lolley & Stankovic) and tbh capable of winning against many championship teams. If we could have put out a reserve team with that level today, it should have been easy. And we did bring Kachunga, Wells and Izzy Brown off the bench.
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Post by alexdire on Jan 9, 2021 22:16:35 GMT 1
An entertaining first half and reasonable start to the second but experience took over in the end. The positives for me were Jones, who for a 17 year old looked to have lots of confidence in taking players on. Vallejo, who after a shaky start grew into the game and was the stand out player in the end. Rowe who has the who has the ability but could do with a run in the side as a winger rather than a wing back Philips who I'm sure will be a goal threat with better service and support. Negatives were Duhaney & Brown who simply aren't good enough at this level Daly shows flashes of good stuff but disappears from games. He needs to get involved more if he's to fulfill his potential Critchlow was poor, but he played well at the beginning of the season so could come good again. The others were neither here of there but you can't criticize them too much when they're all lumped in together against almost full strength L1 team. Like the Bournemouth game, Carlos got his team selection wrong again for me. He should have played 5 or 6 regulars in that team, after all with no midweek games, they'll have had a fortnight off by the time they play again. A TOTAL LACK OF PASSION ON THIS BOARD Would you be as worked up if we'd gone out to Gillingham? Or you annoyed due to it being Plymouth?
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Post by Lovechops on Jan 9, 2021 22:16:57 GMT 1
An entertaining first half and reasonable start to the second but experience took over in the end. The positives for me were Jones, who for a 17 year old looked to have lots of confidence in taking players on. Vallejo, who after a shaky start grew into the game and was the stand out player in the end. Rowe who has the who has the ability but could do with a run in the side as a winger rather than a wing back Philips who I'm sure will be a goal threat with better service and support. Negatives were Duhaney & Brown who simply aren't good enough at this level Daly shows flashes of good stuff but disappears from games. He needs to get involved more if he's to fulfill his potential Critchlow was poor, but he played well at the beginning of the season so could come good again. The others were neither here of there but you can't criticize them too much when they're all lumped in together against almost full strength L1 team. Like the Bournemouth game, Carlos got his team selection wrong again for me. He should have played 5 or 6 regulars in that team, after all with no midweek games, they'll have had a fortnight off by the time they play again. A TOTAL LACK OF PASSION ON THIS BOARD “Critchlow was poor” think you need to book your appointment at the opticians he was one of the outstanding players . Calm and collect and in control at the back . Think he won every header . Carlos did exactly the right thing , we’ve had too many injuries and many needed time to recoup . This year is Carlos year to look at building a team and it’s a great way to watch all the players and see where additions are needed.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 9, 2021 22:17:02 GMT 1
My thoughts entirely epsom The difference being I am not criticising CC. He has to prioritise the league and it was more important to him to rest players even at the expense of not progressing to the next round. Unlike you, I’m not angry. I’m resigned to what the FA Cup has become. That is the sad bit. My grandsons (admittedly only 3 years and 5 weeks old) will likely never experience what I did......and that is sad. What really made me angry was the lack of first team players on the bench especially those out of favour players who have not had much game time this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 22:17:07 GMT 1
How many seasons is it since we’ve won a cup game? Hardly a one off. Except at least we scored today. If ever there was a 3/1 banker...👍 I saw us at evens today and couldn’t believe it! Then I saw the line ups and understood why. It was bumped to 2/1 about 10 mins before KO.
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Post by linson on Jan 9, 2021 22:18:23 GMT 1
For me:
Objective from the game - get the youth some game time, don't embarrass ourselves and ensure the first team (starting XI) remain injury free.
From that perspective we've achieved everything.
Vallejo MOTM - I'll admit I was one of the many that criticised his first performance, which we definitely have a right to do - he was atrocious in the first 20. But he grew in to the game, very calm, good distribution and read the game very well.
Positives Jackson and Jones - confident and young, almost certainly have a future if they play like this Brown - Played very well in places and seemed to be everywhere but I think he was trying too hard if anything at times Rowe - Flashes of brilliance then fails to do the basics, he clearly has potential and it's up the coaches to get the best out of him Austerfield - Seems unflappable, good distribution and tactical discipline. Crichlow - Getting stick on here for some reason but he didn't look out of place and for me looks like he could be first team in a couple of years
Negatives Daly - expected more from him to be honest, he's essentially a senior member of the team tonight but disappeared far too often. Needs to learn to impose himself on a game. Duhaney - Out of his depth
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 9, 2021 22:21:41 GMT 1
O know its like being at a trump MAGA rally 17 18 year olds put out for our club in the FA cup and we only got £43.6 million last year and spent 900,000 while the trumps of our club pocket the lot and the maga i.e. town people on here will still be be saying your not a true supporter if you dont follow the leaders Anyone able to decipher this into English ?
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Post by skeggyterrier on Jan 9, 2021 22:24:07 GMT 1
55 years ago. FA Cup 3rd Round, freezing Monday night, Huddersfield Town 3 Hartlepools United (under Brian Clough) 1. Magnificent game in front of 25,000 fans. The FA Cup at its best. Now it means nothing....at least to the clubs. If it means nothing to the clubs you can’t blame the fans for being apathetic too. CC needed to do what he did because it is the way football is nowadays. Now, more than ever before. And that is very sad. My thoughts entirely epsom Wonder how many of this lot on here were about in that amazing 70s cup run when we actually made the quarter finals. The FA Cup still means alot to me as still the best competition in the world I think you are talking about 1972, the same season we got relegated from the “old” First Division. I know I would have preferred to stay up than have a half decent cup run.
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Post by Wingman on Jan 9, 2021 22:24:34 GMT 1
For all those wittering we had no first teamers out playing today, how would you have reacted if one of them had sustained a season ending injury?
For me CC did the right thing, giving the kids a go. It also clearly showed Critchlow has a future but Duheany does not, not up to it. Jury out on Brown for me but my gut feeling is he isn’t of the standard needed either.
The young kids looked bright and surely being given this chance will spurr them on.
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Post by linson on Jan 9, 2021 22:28:48 GMT 1
For all those wittering we had no first teamers out playing today, how would you have reacted if one of them had sustained a season ending injury? For me CC did the right thing, giving the kids a go. It also clearly showed Critchlow has a future but Duheany does not, not up to it. Jury out on Brown for me but my gut feeling is he isn’t of the standard needed either. The young kids looked bright and surely being given this chance will spurr them on. Agree with that first sentence 100%. Imagine if Sarr got injured... I thought Brown did ok, isn't he an ex England Youth International? And he was at Tottenham so clearly has talent. I liked his swagger and confidence. I think he has potential definitely, his free kicks need some attention mind...
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 9, 2021 22:30:03 GMT 1
It was a totally changed 11 apart from VLP. No Ward, Smith, Hefele, Schindler, Lowe, Hogg, Mooy, Kachunga, Brown or Wells. Apologies, you are correct as that is what I seem to remember. It's only when I looked at the team that I was surprised that it was relatively experienced (Whitehead, Cranie, Hudson, Quaner, VLP, with good youngsters such as Billing, Lolley & Stankovic) and tbh capable of winning against many championship teams. If we could have put out a reserve team with that level today, it should have been easy. And we did bring Kachunga, Wells and Izzy Brown off the bench. We had a squad that season consisting of more than 14 players.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 9, 2021 22:33:31 GMT 1
O know its like being at a trump MAGA rally 17 18 year olds put out for our club in the FA cup and we only got £43.6 million last year and spent 900,000 while the trumps of our club pocket the lot and the maga i.e. town people on here will still be be saying your not a true supporter if you dont follow the leaders What language is this ⬆️⬆️⬆️
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 9, 2021 22:35:13 GMT 1
The lads did OK. Some good performances and some dodgy ones defensively. But the overriding feeling I have is disappointment. We're not going to do much in the league at either end and I'd have liked a cup run. I understand why we made some changes but I don't understand why we didn't even have any of them on the bench, or why Diakhaby and Pritchard who have barely played were nowhere to be seen. It is also a bit scary when you compare that Cup team today with the cup team that held City 4 years ago. Our squad is way too thin still. Completely agree. Calling it "a squad" is actually pushing the definition of a squad. We've got a very decent core of around 14 players, as good as most clubs in the division. Beyond that, there's nothing really. Directly behind that is nothing but then we've got a right set coming through (the French kids etc) do the others in this division have that ?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 9, 2021 22:35:14 GMT 1
Brown is touch and go but I don’t think he’s strong enough defensively to make it.
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