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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 28, 2021 10:36:34 GMT 1
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 28, 2021 10:46:19 GMT 1
Puts things into perspective. Maybe Danny Grant is the striker we’ve put our hopes on.
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Post by crux on Jan 28, 2021 10:56:30 GMT 1
It is an interesting article. The one thing I hadn't really thought about was that no-one can actually go and watch any prospective targets play. You are reliant on watching videos or live streams of matches. That is no way to judge a player, especially in live games when you can't see anything 'off the ball' - or if you're watching an iFollow match you don't get to see the ball if they decide to show the managers or some random replay at an inappropriate moment!
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Jan 28, 2021 10:58:00 GMT 1
So we've made more signings this window than the entire Premier League combined. Not bad at all when you look at it that way.
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Post by dm on Jan 28, 2021 11:36:45 GMT 1
It is an interesting article. The one thing I hadn't really thought about was that no-one can actually go and watch any prospective targets play. You are reliant on watching videos or live streams of matches. That is no way to judge a player, especially in live games when you can't see anything 'off the ball' - or if you're watching an iFollow match you don't get to see the ball if they decide to show the managers or some random replay at an inappropriate moment! It makes the point of people demanding transfers sound stupid. Particularly when they're lambasting Diakhaby's signing without watching him yet want the club to do that again. I hate some people's idea that any signing is better than no signing. Its also ridiculous that some people are so certain that players from other clubs are clearly better than ones that have been here before. One example of this was on Facebook. A poster on there was slagging 350+ Championship games/26 international caps 34 year old Richard Keogh for only being good enough to play in League One, yet thought we should be enquiring about Cheltenham's (just turning) 31 year old Ben Tozer who has played just 4 times above League Two level in his entire career... almost certainly because the BBC was making a big deal about him cos they were the FA Cup underdogs vs Man City. |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jan 28, 2021 12:06:10 GMT 1
So we've made more signings this window than the entire Premier League combined. Not bad at all when you look at it that way. It is when we have signed players we didn't really need and forgot about the main position we are crying out for someone |
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Post by sonny on Jan 28, 2021 13:31:27 GMT 1
Tough times for agents. Sigh...
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Post by detox on Jan 28, 2021 13:39:53 GMT 1
Not sure why scouts cannot attend games when I see Gareth Southgate was at the Everton game last night...?
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Post by pilks123 on Jan 28, 2021 14:07:19 GMT 1
It's no surprise clubs would want to see a player in person and get a feel for their attitude/effort before signing. Imagine buying a house on photos alone without having viewed it? We all know the dangers of a good youtube montage  |
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Post by ldotm on Jan 28, 2021 14:14:36 GMT 1
So we've made more signings this window than the entire Premier League combined. Not bad at all when you look at it that way. It is when we have signed players we didn't really need and forgot about the main position we are crying out for someone Didn’t need a winger when Koroma one of most effective players has been out for a while? Didn’t need a CB when a ton of our experienced CB’s are out? Didn’t need a CM when Eiting is out? No point in signing a few talented players because we should only focus on the now but then in a few years time if Grant or Thomas was tearing it up for someone else we’d be saying “wish we signed them kind of players?” Yes a striker is needed but who’s to say we haven’t looked and none are available at 1-2m that are what we need? Who’s to say the players we have identified at that price aren’t interesting in joining us? Who’s to say Carlos hasn’t said no I don’t want a striker I want these areas first? You’re also writing off signings without giving them a chance, you said on the other thread what has the likes of Holmes contributed yet and the lad hasn’t even played yet! |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jan 28, 2021 14:23:54 GMT 1
It is when we have signed players we didn't really need and forgot about the main position we are crying out for someone Didn’t need a winger when Koroma one of most effective players has been out for a while? Didn’t need a CB when a ton of our experienced CB’s are out? Didn’t need a CM when Eiting is out? No point in signing a few talented players because we should only focus on the now but then in a few years time if Grant or Thomas was tearing it up for someone else we’d be saying “wish we signed them kind of players?” Yes a striker is needed but who’s to say we haven’t looked and none are available at 1-2m that are what we need? Who’s to say the players we have identified at that price aren’t interesting in joining us? Who’s to say Carlos hasn’t said no I don’t want a striker I want these areas first? You’re also writing off signings without giving them a chance, you said on the other thread what has the likes of Holmes contributed yet and the lad hasn’t even played yet! Please show me where I said 'likes of Holmes havent contributed yet' If you read properly I said, Holmes hasnt played yet. Are you saying it was better to get these in instead of a striker? Of course strikers are available, it's about finding them, which is what a scouting team does. And I know this area more than you. Keogh if anything has stalled Crichlows development. We have lost both games he has played. Schindler will be back in a couple of weeks. We will then be left with keogh taking Crichlows place on the bench. Thomas & Grant wont play for the 1st team this season. Aarons - fair enough, he has played okay, but when Koroma is back what happens? We should have hit the loan market for a couple of players for a month or two. Then we arent committed to them when injuries are back. I highly doubt CC thinks we dont need a striker. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 28, 2021 14:27:56 GMT 1
Why aren't clubs versed in the new legalities of signing foreign players? Surely the clubs legal teams should be guiding them through the pitfalls and advising them where players can be signed from without problems?
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Jan 28, 2021 15:06:16 GMT 1
So we've made more signings this window than the entire Premier League combined. Not bad at all when you look at it that way. It is when we have signed players we didn't really need and forgot about the main position we are crying out for someone What position would you say that is? Before the window, the position we needed most was wingers. We signed three. Eiting got injured so we desperately needed a midfielder. We got one. We developed an injury crisis at centre half, so we went out and got a centre half. Next positions we could possibly strengthen as back-up are keeper now Hamer has gone, right back as Duhaney doesn't seem up to it, and possibly be centre forward but Ward has been injured so a different matter when he's fit (not that he's done much yet, but that's a different matter). |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jan 28, 2021 15:14:21 GMT 1
It is when we have signed players we didn't really need and forgot about the main position we are crying out for someone What position would you say that is? Before the window, the position we needed most was wingers. We signed three. Eiting got injured so we desperately needed a midfielder. We got one. We developed an injury crisis at centre half, so we went out and got a centre half. Next positions we could possibly strengthen as back-up are keeper now Hamer has gone, right back as Duhaney doesn't seem up to it, and possibly be centre forward but Ward has been injured so a different matter when he's fit (not that he's done much yet, but that's a different matter). Havent you watched us for the last 6 months? We could get around without playing with wingers. Cant get around without playing with strikers. Plenty of formations dont require a winger. 352 442 diamond Just to name a couple. And regardless of Wards fitness, he is useless. Whoever sanctioned him to come back wants sacking. |
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Post by btwoowah on Jan 28, 2021 15:46:36 GMT 1
What position would you say that is? Before the window, the position we needed most was wingers. We signed three. Eiting got injured so we desperately needed a midfielder. We got one. We developed an injury crisis at centre half, so we went out and got a centre half. Next positions we could possibly strengthen as back-up are keeper now Hamer has gone, right back as Duhaney doesn't seem up to it, and possibly be centre forward but Ward has been injured so a different matter when he's fit (not that he's done much yet, but that's a different matter). Havent you watched us for the last 6 months? We could get around without playing with wingers. Cant get around without playing with strikers. Plenty of formations dont require a winger. 352 442 diamond Just to name a couple. And regardless of Wards fitness, he is useless. Whoever sanctioned him to come back wants sacking. Haven’t you been watching? We’re not going to play a 442 diamond or any other system that doesn’t require inside forwards. CC is going to stick to this system whatever happens - even when we lacked numbers in that area after JK’s injury and before Aaron’s arrival, he played Bacuna, then O’Brien out of position on the left rather than change the system. |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jan 28, 2021 16:03:12 GMT 1
Havent you watched us for the last 6 months? We could get around without playing with wingers. Cant get around without playing with strikers. Plenty of formations dont require a winger. 352 442 diamond Just to name a couple. And regardless of Wards fitness, he is useless. Whoever sanctioned him to come back wants sacking. Haven’t you been watching? We’re not going to play a 442 diamond or any other system that doesn’t require inside forwards. CC is going to stick to this system whatever happens - even when we lacked numbers in that area after JK’s injury and before Aaron’s arrival, he played Bacuna, then O’Brien out of position on the left rather than change the system. Yes I have been watching and he has switched to a 352 before. You have to play with what you have. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 28, 2021 16:21:24 GMT 1
It's an interesting article & it does also point to there being greater incentive to invest in youth coaching.
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Post by ringdisco on Jan 28, 2021 17:12:16 GMT 1
PL clubs could easily hire scouts in each major European country to go and watch players. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 28, 2021 17:33:12 GMT 1
An article on "our" BBC referencing Brexit...  They created a tab for Brexit on their website when we were out, I have no idea why, perhaps just a cosy little home for their brainwashed remainer staff to go and sit in the corner, rocking side to side, sucking their comforters? It can't be much use because on the 28th Jan, it hasn't been updated for 6 days, so it is a bit like the stick-in-a-bucket-of-water effect? |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 28, 2021 17:44:21 GMT 1
Tough times for agents. Sigh... Back in the mid nineties SAF called them the cancer of football! |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 28, 2021 18:59:30 GMT 1
An article on "our" BBC referencing Brexit... They created a tab for Brexit on their website when we were out, I have no idea why, perhaps just a cosy little home for their brainwashed remainer staff to go and sit in the corner, rocking side to side, sucking their comforters? It can't be much use because on the 28th Jan, it hasn't been updated for 6 days, so it is a bit like the stick-in-a-bucket-of-water effect? You're the one obsessing.....again. Others are talking about the relevant points it's raising, including Covid possibly being a bigger impact. Makes me laugh - I have mates on the right and left who both swear blind the BBC are bias against their view. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 28, 2021 21:22:32 GMT 1
It is an interesting article. The one thing I hadn't really thought about was that no-one can actually go and watch any prospective targets play. You are reliant on watching videos or live streams of matches. That is no way to judge a player, especially in live games when you can't see anything 'off the ball' - or if you're watching an iFollow match you don't get to see the ball if they decide to show the managers or some random replay at an inappropriate moment! Can’t remember which game, a home one near the start of the season, but I remember various comments because Bielsa was in attendance at the JSS, presumably if PL managers can attend Championship games then clubs can scout transfer targets ? |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 28, 2021 21:27:11 GMT 1
An article on "our" BBC referencing Brexit... They created a tab for Brexit on their website when we were out, I have no idea why, perhaps just a cosy little home for their brainwashed remainer staff to go and sit in the corner, rocking side to side, sucking their comforters? It can't be much use because on the 28th Jan, it hasn't been updated for 6 days, so it is a bit like the stick-in-a-bucket-of-water effect? You're the one obsessing.....again. Others are talking about the relevant points it's raising, including Covid possibly being a bigger impact. Makes me laugh - I have mates on the right and left who both swear blind the BBC are bias against their view. Your obsessing is my reasonable assessment, but you go with yours if you like. You might like to read the thread title though, before scrambling to your conclusion though, I didn't start the brexit context. I take your point about right v left and agree - many of us with leftward leanings have doubts about "our" BBC, I see many on the right who claim the same. I will go with mine on this. Evening!!  |
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Post by crux on Jan 28, 2021 22:02:51 GMT 1
It is an interesting article. The one thing I hadn't really thought about was that no-one can actually go and watch any prospective targets play. You are reliant on watching videos or live streams of matches. That is no way to judge a player, especially in live games when you can't see anything 'off the ball' - or if you're watching an iFollow match you don't get to see the ball if they decide to show the managers or some random replay at an inappropriate moment! Can’t remember which game, a home one near the start of the season, but I remember various comments because Bielsa was in attendance at the JSS, presumably if PL managers can attend Championship games then clubs can scout transfer targets ? There's a limit on how many are allowed within the ground. Bielsa was there as a guest of CC I believe. If we wanted to buy someone that another club wanted to sell or get rid of, then I'm sure that something could be worked out. However, you can't just turn up to watch players at the moment. I'm sure if ten clubs wanted to watch Pritchard, we'd figure out a way of helping them out - or maybe not, seeing how crap he's been playing for us 😂 |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 28, 2021 22:19:01 GMT 1
Can’t remember which game, a home one near the start of the season, but I remember various comments because Bielsa was in attendance at the JSS, presumably if PL managers can attend Championship games then clubs can scout transfer targets ? There's a limit on how many are allowed within the ground. Bielsa was there as a guest of CC I believe. If we wanted to buy someone that another club wanted to sell or get rid of, then I'm sure that something could be worked out. However, you can't just turn up to watch players at the moment. I'm sure if ten clubs wanted to watch Pritchard, we'd figure out a way of helping them out - or maybe not, seeing how crap he's been playing for us 😂 I’d risk a Covid fine to let an agent stand on my back whilst he peers over the fence, if he wants to watch Pritchard. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 29, 2021 0:46:07 GMT 1
It is an interesting article. The one thing I hadn't really thought about was that no-one can actually go and watch any prospective targets play. You are reliant on watching videos or live streams of matches. That is no way to judge a player, especially in live games when you can't see anything 'off the ball' - or if you're watching an iFollow match you don't get to see the ball if they decide to show the managers or some random replay at an inappropriate moment! Can’t remember which game, a home one near the start of the season, but I remember various comments because Bielsa was in attendance at the JSS, presumably if PL managers can attend Championship games then clubs can scout transfer targets ? I remember that too, although rules regarding Covid have been alternately relaxed and tightened, so it may be that Bielsa was there during a "relaxed" period. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 29, 2021 10:14:48 GMT 1
Can’t remember which game, a home one near the start of the season, but I remember various comments because Bielsa was in attendance at the JSS, presumably if PL managers can attend Championship games then clubs can scout transfer targets ? I remember that too, although rules regarding Covid have been alternately relaxed and tightened, so it may be that Bielsa was there during a "relaxed" period. With out getting political it does make me laugh when the PM or Home Secretary say the lockdown rules are very simple and everyone understands them - they might be simple but I think the last announcement was the 68th change to the original. Two plus two gets difficult to follow if you make 68 changes to the rules. As I said I’m not sure which home fixture it was but the fact was that fans were not allowed in so it’s strange that Bielsa was, still stadium announcements regarding goal scorer and substitutions don’t make a lot of sense to an empty stadium either. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 29, 2021 11:10:08 GMT 1
I remember that too, although rules regarding Covid have been alternately relaxed and tightened, so it may be that Bielsa was there during a "relaxed" period. With out getting political it does make me laugh when the PM or Home Secretary say the lockdown rules are very simple and everyone understands them - they might be simple but I think the last announcement was the 68th change to the original. Two plus two gets difficult to follow if you make 68 changes to the rules. As I said I’m not sure which home fixture it was but the fact was that fans were not allowed in so it’s strange that Bielsa was, still stadium announcements regarding goal scorer and substitutions don’t make a lot of sense to an empty stadium either. I expect it comes down to a difference between allowing a handful of interested observers who are employed within the sport (arguably) doing their jobs vs allowing tens of thousands of partisan supporters to sing, shout, celebrate goals... etc. Either way, if scouts are no longer allowed to do their jobs, then I can see why we might be reluctant to do much transfer business. |
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Post by LTown on Feb 1, 2021 16:43:32 GMT 1
With out getting political it does make me laugh when the PM or Home Secretary say the lockdown rules are very simple and everyone understands them - they might be simple but I think the last announcement was the 68th change to the original. Two plus two gets difficult to follow if you make 68 changes to the rules. As I said I’m not sure which home fixture it was but the fact was that fans were not allowed in so it’s strange that Bielsa was, still stadium announcements regarding goal scorer and substitutions don’t make a lot of sense to an empty stadium either. I expect it comes down to a difference between allowing a handful of interested observers who are employed within the sport (arguably) doing their jobs vs allowing tens of thousands of partisan supporters to sing, shout, celebrate goals... etc. Either way, if scouts are no longer allowed to do their jobs, then I can see why we might be reluctant to do much transfer business. Or we could borrow that bloke from L**ds with the binoculars. |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 1, 2021 16:58:41 GMT 1
I expect it comes down to a difference between allowing a handful of interested observers who are employed within the sport (arguably) doing their jobs vs allowing tens of thousands of partisan supporters to sing, shout, celebrate goals... etc. Either way, if scouts are no longer allowed to do their jobs, then I can see why we might be reluctant to do much transfer business. Or we could borrow that bloke from L**ds with the binoculars. He was just ahead of his time, social distancing before most of us had even heard of the term! |
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