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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 29, 2021 14:59:12 GMT 1
Fair enough Ted. I think the underlying problem and frustration on this subject is the fact the most have recognised not having a “proper” striker in our squad is a major issue that does not appear to be a priority for the club. Yet we watch that magnificent 2nd half performance on Tuesday and all realise that we would have won that game if we had one player capable of finishing. In fairness, this hasn’t just been an issue since Tuesday, it’s been an issue since the Summer. This situation is magnified for me when ( as I’m sure we’ll see again on Saturday) you look at the game changing potential on most of the opposition benches and compare it to what we have. The first part is Ted's point: Leeds fans were desperate for that they thought would be an upgrade on Bamford but Bielsa wouldn't budge. As for the bench, I imagine there's a good few of those opposition players that their clubs would rather were not there. I’ve no interest in the situation at Leeds. But I’d say Bielsa was right to keep faith in Bamford. This just does not compare to our situation. I do have I interest in Town and we do need an upgrade on what we have up front . Just one player needed at a reasonable cost, loan or signing and I think we’d be ok. |
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Post by drfootball on Jan 29, 2021 15:25:58 GMT 1
And we have sold all our best / valuable players for somewhere close to 70 million and are left with a threadbare squad , one striker long past his best and a chairman who asked us to judge him after 3 windows ...... well I’m ready to judge British Airways probably forecast a healthy 2020 . Their shareholders must be furious at the lying bastards Apples and pears old boy ....... some grown up has done some clever sums on that there internet.... championship clubs have lost approximately 6% of their income with no fans .... British Airways have lost 96% of their income ..... hmmmm try again Covid is not the reason we have sold the family jewels and replaced them with 5 pebbles |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 29, 2021 15:27:30 GMT 1
British Airways probably forecast a healthy 2020 . Their shareholders must be furious at the lying bastards Apples and pears old boy ....... some grown up has done some clever sums on that there internet.... championship clubs have lost approximately 6% of their income with no fans .... British Airways have lost 96% of their income ..... hmmmm try again Covid is not the reason we have sold the family jewels and replaced them with 5 pebbles You think town have lost 6% of income ? Nice one |
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Post by drfootball on Jan 29, 2021 15:36:09 GMT 1
Apples and pears old boy ....... some grown up has done some clever sums on that there internet.... championship clubs have lost approximately 6% of their income with no fans .... British Airways have lost 96% of their income ..... hmmmm try again Covid is not the reason we have sold the family jewels and replaced them with 5 pebbles You think town have lost 6% of income ? Nice one I bet it’s less than half an Aaron mooy 😉 |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 29, 2021 15:50:31 GMT 1
When I use the word "entitled " I'm not talking about fans wanting a striker . This is a football.discussiom board and its a valid point of view to want a striker. But that's a footballing decision . Fat Phil isn't on the phone to Carlos saying " no you can't have a fucking striker but I'm happy to sign you a winger " . But all the ire heads towards Phil? As I said look at Leeds and what happened there . Radrizani appeared to be begging bielsa to sign a front man but bielsa was pretty stubborn in this respect. I'm sure if Carlos wants a striker he will get a striker Fair enough Ted. I think the underlying problem and frustration on this subject is the fact the most have recognised not having a “proper” striker in our squad is a major issue that does not appear to be a priority for the club. Yet we watch that magnificent 2nd half performance on Tuesday and all realise that we would have won that game if we had one player capable of finishing.In fairness, this hasn’t just been an issue since Tuesday, it’s been an issue since the Summer. This situation is magnified for me when ( as I’m sure we’ll see again on Saturday) you look at the game changing potential on most of the opposition benches and compare it to what we have. Campbell was one of the only - if not the only - players to play poorly in that game, but if you look at the season as a whole overall, we're not actually doing too badly on actual goals scored vs expected goals scored. It seems that if anything we're (marginally) better at scoring chances than we are at creating them: www.infogol.net/en/team/huddersfield-town/13I'm happy to see the Bristol City game as a one-off. Another day & one or more of the shots that hits the post/bar and goes out, hits the post/bar & goes in. I'd also suggest that not all of the chances we have will fall to Campbell. What concerns me is that he's had a few poor games on the trot now & we simply have no other options to put in his place without either playing a kid or somebody out of position - even when we've not got a single injury. Campbell is a 33 year old who is being expected by some to carry our entire goal threat in a high energy style of play without ever getting tired, injured, or losing form. To my mind he's doing an exceptional job for us and getting nowhere near the credit he deserves. But the fact remains, he's an absolute shoo-in for the first XI because there's simply nobody else. THAT is why we need a striker (but it's also why I'd ask Town fans to give him a bit more credit). |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 29, 2021 19:05:10 GMT 1
I thought I had started a light hearted thread for people to add lots of short quips on the transfer window. Fairs fair, you’ve had what must be two firsts for DATM “masturbatory” and a resume on British Airways hopes for the future, it’s like Andrew Marr on a Sunday morning. |
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Post by goodbet on Jan 29, 2021 20:05:43 GMT 1
hanks for that! I will see if the BBC are interested in signing me.  |
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Post by tvor on Jan 30, 2021 10:26:10 GMT 1
We've signed 5 players. That's a fact . Tell me who everyone else is signing in a January window in the middle of a pandemic? I know it doesn't suit the "entitled " who feel that their football club exists to fuel their masturbatory needs during transfer windows . But the truth hurts Re the striker issue . Look down the road at the utter consternation of Leeds fans month in month out In the championship as bielsa refused to buckle and buy a striker. And even when he did he carried on picking Bamford. I know you'd like to use it as a stick to bash over Phils head but if you are hoping for a sexy front pair (fnarrr fnarrr) it might be best if you found another hobby till corberon has departed It seems the B team is more of a priority than the 1st team. We need quality not quantity. This window has been utter wank. Regarding Bamford, he is a lot younger than Campbell, and he actually scores goals. He has scored more in the premier league already than any of our strikers did. What has CC got to do with this? Cant believe you compare campbell to bamford For a long time the club’s model has been to buy players to develop. I hate the phrase, ones for the future. The PL money was an exception not the rule but look what happened when the recruitment team started throwing silly money at players. In this case, we’ve not set the transfer window alight (who has?) but I’m not unhappy with Keogh, an experienced pro, Holmes, a solid Championship performer, and Arons a bit of an unknown but at a bigger club than Town and just might have potential. It’s not happy clapping or arse licking to wait to see their longer term impact but the costs for these players will not be cheap. That money *could* have been used to sign a striker if all concerned (including CC) agreed. I think you work at a football club so you’ve probably more insight than any of us but, in reality, this window could have been worse, right? Especially when compared to some other clubs? |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jan 30, 2021 10:44:50 GMT 1
Oooh so let's just buy players from non league so we can be top of the table at buying.It seems the B team is more of a priority than the 1st team. We need quality not quantity. This window has been utter wank. Regarding Bamford, he is a lot younger than Campbell, and he actually scores goals. He has scored more in the premier league already than any of our strikers did. What has CC got to do with this? Cant believe you compare campbell to bamford For a long time the club’s model has been to buy players to develop. I hate the phrase, ones for the future. The PL money was an exception not the rule but look what happened when the recruitment team started throwing silly money at players. In this case, we’ve not set the transfer window alight (who has?) but I’m not unhappy with Keogh, an experienced pro, Holmes, a solid Championship performer, and Arons a bit of an unknown but at a bigger club than Town and just might have potential. It’s not happy clapping or arse licking to wait to see their longer term impact but the costs for these players will not be cheap. That money *could* have been used to sign a striker if all concerned (including CC) agreed. I think you work at a football club so you’ve probably more insight than any of us but, in reality, this window could have been worse, right? Especially when compared to some other clubs? I have nothing wrong in development buys. But first and foremost the 1st team has to be structured and sorted. Right now it seems that the B team is taking a priority. And when the 1st team isnt right, it has an effect on the youngsters around the squad. Look at Daly, Duhaney, Rowe etc. Even Jaden Brown. They all have felt the impact of the negativity around the 1st team. These lads should be ready now after spending 3 seasons around the squad. You really do need a strong 16 players. And then the young lads to be there ready for if a chance comes. |
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Post by detox on Jan 30, 2021 10:49:21 GMT 1
British Airways probably forecast a healthy 2020 . Their shareholders must be furious at the lying bastards Apples and pears old boy ....... some grown up has done some clever sums on that there internet.... championship clubs have lost approximately 6% of their income with no fans .... British Airways have lost 96% of their income ..... hmmmm try again Covid is not the reason we have sold the family jewels and replaced them with 5 pebbles Town have sold around 8,000 SC's this season, compared to (say) 15,000 we'd probably expect given our league position the previous season..so we've lost 7,000 x £249 that's £1.7m . There are other revenues we've lost which I don't know if are included in the 6%, like fans who pay on the day, away fans, program sales, food/drink, car parking and club shop...plus the executive boxes,meals , drinks and functions the club holds, TV money, sponsorship......Against that staff furloughed, temp staff not needed and presumably less money paid to KSDL (you'd think)...plus support money received from the FA.
But let's say £1.7m..if that's 6% then Towns income would be £29m a year...I would suggest it's nowhere near that, especially given we've already received our parachute monies. Our regular (normal) revenues going foreward are more likely to be around £10m I'd say.
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Post by tvor on Jan 30, 2021 11:16:51 GMT 1
For a long time the club’s model has been to buy players to develop. I hate the phrase, ones for the future. The PL money was an exception not the rule but look what happened when the recruitment team started throwing silly money at players. In this case, we’ve not set the transfer window alight (who has?) but I’m not unhappy with Keogh, an experienced pro, Holmes, a solid Championship performer, and Arons a bit of an unknown but at a bigger club than Town and just might have potential. It’s not happy clapping or arse licking to wait to see their longer term impact but the costs for these players will not be cheap. That money *could* have been used to sign a striker if all concerned (including CC) agreed. I think you work at a football club so you’ve probably more insight than any of us but, in reality, this window could have been worse, right? Especially when compared to some other clubs? I have nothing wrong in development buys. But first and foremost the 1st team has to be structured and sorted. Right now it seems that the B team is taking a priority. And when the 1st team isnt right, it has an effect on the youngsters around the squad. Look at Daly, Duhaney, Rowe etc. Even Jaden Brown. They all have felt the impact of the negativity around the 1st team. These lads should be ready now after spending 3 seasons around the squad. You really do need a strong 16 players. And then the young lads to be there ready for if a chance comes. But you’re picking and choosing your evidence a bit there. Ward, Pipa and Sarr arrived in the last window, along with Eiting. With the three potential first teamers this window that’s almost a half of that 16 you mention and that’s just the last two windows. And this is without an ability to shift the obvious drains on the wage bill that are Diakhaby and Pritchard, who won’t leave either because they’re happy to pocket the cash or because there’s no other club stupid enough to take them. Obviously, this shows that transfers don’t always work out and it’s the same with the young lads. They *should* be ready but it often doesn’t work that way and we’ve seen enough Towns youngsters fall away in the past, just as every other club has. Besides, different coaches have different views anyway (see Holmes). |
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jan 30, 2021 11:35:25 GMT 1
The first part is Ted's point: Leeds fans were desperate for that they thought would be an upgrade on Bamford but Bielsa wouldn't budge. As for the bench, I imagine there's a good few of those opposition players that their clubs would rather were not there. I’ve no interest in the situation at Leeds. But I’d say Bielsa was right to keep faith in Bamford. This just does not compare to our situation. I do have I interest in Town and we do need an upgrade on what we have up front . Just one player needed at a reasonable cost, loan or signing and I think we’d be ok. What is a reasonable cost? What fee and what salary? |
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Post by drfootball on Jan 30, 2021 14:05:29 GMT 1
Apples and pears old boy ....... some grown up has done some clever sums on that there internet.... championship clubs have lost approximately 6% of their income with no fans .... British Airways have lost 96% of their income ..... hmmmm try again Covid is not the reason we have sold the family jewels and replaced them with 5 pebbles Town have sold around 8,000 SC's this season, compared to (say) 15,000 we'd probably expect given our league position the previous season..so we've lost 7,000 x £249 that's £1.7m . There are other revenues we've lost which I don't know if are included in the 6%, like fans who pay on the day, away fans, program sales, food/drink, car parking and club shop...plus the executive boxes,meals , drinks and functions the club holds, TV money, sponsorship......Against that staff furloughed, temp staff not needed and presumably less money paid to KSDL (you'd think)...plus support money received from the FA.
But let's say £1.7m..if that's 6% then Towns income would be £29m a year...I would suggest it's nowhere near that, especially given we've already received our parachute monies. Our regular (normal) revenues going foreward are more likely to be around £10m I'd say.
Thanks mate I genuinely appreciate the effort and your working outs. The income I was talking about included our transfers out. The 6% quoted was for championship clubs as a whole . I guess my point was we sold all our Crown Jewels and now have no players to speak of as replacements. Ps I’d no idea the sale of season tickets were so low 😐😐 |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 31, 2021 0:32:41 GMT 1
11,000 STs sold this season
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 31, 2021 1:30:26 GMT 1
11,000 STs sold this season Correct. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jan 31, 2021 1:36:15 GMT 1
Salaries - budget - injured players still need paying. Covid, no gate money - surely even the dumbest of you can work this out. Then again, maybe not...
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Post by wigster on Jan 31, 2021 2:33:28 GMT 1
Salaries - budget - injured players still need paying. Covid, no gate money - surely even the dumbest of you can work this out. Then again, maybe not... The usual aggressive and patronising posts on this subject. Did the CEO not say that what you mention is costing us £2 million ? A tiny fraction of what we've paid out for just Pritchard. And who was responsible for the vast majority of the "salaries - budget"? Not Phil. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 31, 2021 9:15:33 GMT 1
11,000 STs sold this season Correct. Genuine question, is that 11,000 in total or 11,000 who bought them minus X,000 who subsequently returned them for a refund ? |
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Post by iangreaves on Jan 31, 2021 11:05:47 GMT 1
Salaries - budget - injured players still need paying. Covid, no gate money - surely even the dumbest of you can work this out. Then again, maybe not... If the club sold 11,000 season tickets, I would have thought the loss of gate money would be relatively small. |
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Post by terrierbite on Jan 31, 2021 11:07:44 GMT 1
And we have sold all our best / valuable players for somewhere close to 70 million and are left with a threadbare squad , one striker long past his best and a chairman who asked us to judge him after 3 windows ...... well I’m ready to judge British Airways probably forecast a healthy 2020 . Their shareholders must be furious at the lying bastards This is a good quote and sums it all up really |
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Post by crux on Jan 31, 2021 11:58:50 GMT 1
Salaries - budget - injured players still need paying. Covid, no gate money - surely even the dumbest of you can work this out. Then again, maybe not... If the club sold 11,000 season tickets, I would have thought the loss of gate money would be relatively small. Not really, if they sold 11k (and that figure may be before refunds) then they could expect possibly another 5k to 7k paying in the gate (including away supporters). With the massive discount season ticket holders get, the loss of gate money would be close to 50%. I realise that ticket income is a relatively small amount of the clubs overall income, however it does make me laugh when some fans expect the club to spend all of it on just the transfer fee of striker from Aberdeen who might be a good second option up front. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 31, 2021 12:34:20 GMT 1
Genuine question, is that 11,000 in total or 11,000 who bought them minus X,000 who subsequently returned them for a refund ? And a good question I’ve seen no figures relating to how many were refunded. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 31, 2021 12:57:20 GMT 1
Genuine question, is that 11,000 in total or 11,000 who bought them minus X,000 who subsequently returned them for a refund ? And a good question I’ve seen no figures relating to how many were refunded. No, the only comment I’ve seen with regards to refunds was Chansari at SWFC in a Q&A he did after sacking Pullis and he was shocked that 50/60% of their fans had requested one( bearing in mind their prices are 2/3 times ours ) and explaining a new computers system was the reason for the delay issuing them. Must be a similar system at Ryan Air, I’m now 11 months and counting for a refund from them for two flights . |
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