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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 23, 2021 23:59:24 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances.
Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go.
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Post by terrier10 on Feb 24, 2021 0:03:23 GMT 1
If a change was to be made he’d be my choice. Got a group of players at Wigan performing whilst in a worse position than us.
It’s so frustrating though, perform like we did on Saturday and then produce what we did tonight.
It’s the hope that kills you!
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Post by football on Feb 24, 2021 0:06:34 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances. Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go. Good call this he has a good record under trying circumstances.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 24, 2021 0:18:40 GMT 1
The club has been going down the shitter since late 2018.
The constants during that time are the players, Hoyle and Phil "Ruprecht the Monkey Boy" Hodgkinson.
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Post by wigster on Feb 24, 2021 0:32:10 GMT 1
Do you think the egos of Hoyle and PH would want to be threatened by a Paul Cook ? No way.
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Post by bluestripe on Feb 24, 2021 0:36:52 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances. Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go. The Cowley brothers did well at a club last season. Was asked to keep them up when they had a perilous start to the season. They met their objective. Why not go get them? Phil has nailed his colours to the mast. I thought he had cojones sacking the last manager (I.e. a brave rather than misguided decision despite thinking the Cowleys deserved another season). If he gets rid of Corberan now, he has well and truly installed a revolving door.
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Post by hthtafs on Feb 24, 2021 4:38:16 GMT 1
Do you think the egos of Hoyle and PH would want to be threatened by a Paul Cook ? No way. Good point - regardless I honestly don’t think we can now afford to sack Carlos. I can honestly see us heading into administration if we get relegated, even the additional £4m plus payment of championship TV monies should we stay up might not be enough to address to stave it off if we can not sell at least £5m of players to in part fund our reduced wage bill of £14m ?? Next season.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 24, 2021 6:19:19 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances. Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go. The Cowley brothers did well at a club last season. Was asked to keep them up when they had a perilous start to the season. They met their objective. Why not go get them? Phil has nailed his colours to the mast. I thought he had cojones sacking the last manager (I.e. a brave rather than misguided decision despite thinking the Cowleys deserved another season). If he gets rid of Corberan now, he has well and truly installed a revolving door. There are very good reasons why the Cowleys were sacked, and it's those same reasons why they haven't had a job since.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 8:01:42 GMT 1
The Cowley brothers did well at a club last season. Was asked to keep them up when they had a perilous start to the season. They met their objective. Why not go get them? Phil has nailed his colours to the mast. I thought he had cojones sacking the last manager (I.e. a brave rather than misguided decision despite thinking the Cowleys deserved another season). If he gets rid of Corberan now, he has well and truly installed a revolving door. There are very good reasons why the Cowleys were sacked, and it's those same reasons why they haven't had a job since. do tell ?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 24, 2021 8:27:07 GMT 1
Do you think the egos of Hoyle and PH would want to be threatened by a Paul Cook ? No way. they wont be happy till we're an established league one club.
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Post by specialun on Feb 24, 2021 8:44:48 GMT 1
More likely we’d appoint Bromby with...
Hold on - Wasn’t Phil a coach once?
Just asking.
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 24, 2021 8:50:12 GMT 1
More likely we’d appoint Bromby with... Hold on - Wasn’t Phil a coach once? Just asking. This is my worry too. If CC gets the sack are we really going to get anyone with a better reputation? Not a chance. Would be Bromby or Schofield.
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 24, 2021 8:51:03 GMT 1
The Cowley brothers did well at a club last season. Was asked to keep them up when they had a perilous start to the season. They met their objective. Why not go get them? Phil has nailed his colours to the mast. I thought he had cojones sacking the last manager (I.e. a brave rather than misguided decision despite thinking the Cowleys deserved another season). If he gets rid of Corberan now, he has well and truly installed a revolving door. There are very good reasons why the Cowleys were sacked, and it's those same reasons why they haven't had a job since. You may be right but it has no bearing on our present predicament.
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 24, 2021 9:03:17 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances. Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go. Looking at our totally unscientific poll there is some movement since last week, where 33% wanted rid, compared to 28% Wednesday morning post Derby... strange - must be a Swansea bounce!. Personally I don't think you can land the blame on one person. PH, DH, the coaching team, the management, the scouting team and the players all share some blame. The amount of money the Chairman/owner is willing to put into the club is overblown. Are Luton, Preston and Barnsley chairmen rolling in it? I don't know. DH invested a paltry amount compared to the two other clubs that were promoted to the PL with us. What we had then was everyone pulling in the same direction. Players due to be released this summer (brings on a feeling of insecurity) and temporary fixes don't help, but it is a horrendous injury list that is the major issue this season. Anyway, I'm getting off the point. There are three things that you could level at CC: 1. He doesn't have a "presence". Remember Wagner at that first interview? Wow! You could feel the charisma seeping out of his pores. 2. He is tactically naive. He has been found out by so-called lesser teams who put eleven men behind the ball and wait for us to make a catastrophic error at set pieces. Again, some blame on the players, recruiting and injuries play their part here. 3. His training methods are crippling (literally) the team. He can only change 2. and 3. However, I'm afraid that it is 1. that is the first thing you look at when hiring a manager - he can always bring coaching staff in to implement the other requirements. My feeling is that you may be flogging a dead horse with your CC out campaign. PH really made a massive gamble in appointing CC and apart from some very good goals and pretty football at times, nothing has changed substantially - we are in a very similar position points wise as this time last year. PH had a plan and I'm sure he will be very reluctant to bin it after less than 12 months. He will lose all credibility if CC gets the boot, and people will really begin to question his competence and suitability. It all rests on how much a blow relegation would be to the club.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 24, 2021 9:18:39 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances. Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go. Looking at our totally unscientific poll there is some movement since last week, where 33% wanted rid, compared to 28% Wednesday morning post Derby... strange - must be a Swansea bounce!. Personally I don't think you can land the blame on one person. PH, DH, the coaching team, the management, the scouting team and the players all share some blame. The amount of money the Chairman/owner is willing to put into the club is overblown. Are Luton, Preston and Barnsley chairmen rolling in it? I don't know. DH invested a paltry amount compared to the two other clubs that were promoted to the PL with us. What we had then was everyone pulling in the same direction. Players due to be released this summer (brings on a feeling of insecurity) and temporary fixes don't help, but it is a horrendous injury list that is the major issue this season. Anyway, I'm getting off the point. There are three things that you could level at CC: 1. He doesn't have a "presence". Remember Wagner at that first interview? Wow! You could feel the charisma seeping out of his pores. 2. He is tactically naive. He has been found out by so-called lesser teams who put eleven men behind the ball and wait for us to make a catastrophic error at set pieces. Again, some blame on the players, recruiting and injuries play their part here. 3. His training methods are crippling (literally) the team. He can only change 2. and 3. However, I'm afraid that it is 1. that is the first thing you look at when hiring a manager - he can always bring coaching staff in to implement the other requirements. My feeling is that you may be flogging a dead horse with your CC out campaign. PH really made a massive gamble in appointing CC and apart from some very good goals and pretty football at times, nothing has changed substantially - we are in a very similar position points wise as this time last year. PH had a plan and I'm sure he will be very reluctant to bin it after less than 12 months. He will lose all credibility if CC gets the boot, and people will really begin to question his competence and suitability. It all rests on how much a blow relegation would be to the club. I think that ship has long since sailed, TBH.
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Post by detox on Feb 24, 2021 9:26:00 GMT 1
The question is.. simply.. How long do we wait for Carlos to produce a winning team. We need somewhere around 5 more wins in 14 games, we've won just one in 10 is it?
Nothing seems to change, we're not bringing in new players, we're not changing tactics, we're producing turgid football, players are getting injured too often, we're giving away too many soft goals, too many penalties, we have too many red cards... It's a crisis and the only response from Phil seems to be.. Carry on as you are!! 🙄
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 24, 2021 9:26:58 GMT 1
Personally I don’t lie hardly any blame at CCs door.
Not sure what he is supposed to do.
No sure how many senior pros we have, but we’ve had about 50% injured for most of the season. The starting 11 is highlighting this most weeks and has done since before Christmas. The bench for the last few games has give CC hardly any options
I suppose you can question if it’s his training methods that causing all these injuries???
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Post by dalesterrier on Feb 24, 2021 9:35:09 GMT 1
Most of the injuries appear not to be game related so...
Further to that the football is awful. He was brought in to develop an identity. Bar ten minutes on Saturday, I can't remember the last time I saw an identity
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 24, 2021 9:38:10 GMT 1
CC is still making exactly the same mistakes he was making earlier in the season. There's absolutely no sign that he has learnt from previous games. Last night was no different to Watford away which was no different to Cardiff away which was no different to Birmingham away. Let us have the ball we will do nothing with it other than play ourselves into trouble. I reckon 80% of the goals we have conceded have come directly from a town error this season. He doesn't know how to deal with Hogg being injured. He chose to completely disrupt the back 3 to stick Vallejo in midfield rather than tweak the system. There's no intensity in our play, there's no tempo and we are so predictable. I was totally on board with implementing an identity and was very supportive of Carlos but he isn't learning or adapting at all.
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Post by waterlooboy on Feb 24, 2021 9:40:47 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances. Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go. It is a known fact, changing managers regularly doesn't work. There is usually a couple of games where a response to a new face works but then a usual return to form. When will people realise the manager and coaches can only work with what they have, adapting players to new techniques and training takes time. Survive this year, give Carlos a few quid and a full season next year and see where that takes us. We are also presuming Carlos will stay.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 24, 2021 10:04:50 GMT 1
CC is still making exactly the same mistakes he was making earlier in the season. There's absolutely no sign that he has learnt from previous games. Last night was no different to Watford away which was no different to Cardiff away which was no different to Birmingham away. Let us have the ball we will do nothing with it other than play ourselves into trouble. I reckon 80% of the goals we have conceded have come directly from a town error this season. He doesn't know how to deal with Hogg being injured. He chose to completely disrupt the back 3 to stick Vallejo in midfield rather than tweak the system. There's no intensity in our play, there's no tempo and we are so predictable. I was totally on board with implementing an identity and was very supportive of Carlos but he isn't learning or adapting at all. If the goals are coming from individual mistakes, how is that Carlos’s fault? Our issue is injuries and confidence. I’d rather we go down than sack Carlos, I’ve absolutely loved how we’ve played at time’s this season.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 24, 2021 10:16:15 GMT 1
CC is still making exactly the same mistakes he was making earlier in the season. There's absolutely no sign that he has learnt from previous games. Last night was no different to Watford away which was no different to Cardiff away which was no different to Birmingham away. Let us have the ball we will do nothing with it other than play ourselves into trouble. I reckon 80% of the goals we have conceded have come directly from a town error this season. He doesn't know how to deal with Hogg being injured. He chose to completely disrupt the back 3 to stick Vallejo in midfield rather than tweak the system. There's no intensity in our play, there's no tempo and we are so predictable. I was totally on board with implementing an identity and was very supportive of Carlos but he isn't learning or adapting at all. If the goals are coming from individual mistakes, how is that Carlos’s fault? Our issue is injuries and confidence. I’d rather we go down than sack Carlos, I’ve absolutely loved how we’ve played at time’s this season. So have I but its becoming more and more infrequent. Look at our games since the turn of the year and spot the anomalous result. If the team keep making individual errors when playing out from the back then don't you think he needs to realise he doesn't have the quality to do that and play different way?
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Post by dm on Feb 24, 2021 10:35:37 GMT 1
Personally I don’t lie hardly any blame at CCs door. Not sure what he is supposed to do. No sure how many senior pros we have, but we’ve had about 50% injured for most of the season. The starting 11 is highlighting this most weeks and has done since before Christmas. The bench for the last few games has give CC hardly any options I suppose you can question if it’s his training methods that causing all these injuries??? He has to take SOME of the blame. Small squad to start with, maybe after 4 or 5 training injuries, start thinking about modifying training to attempt to prevent more?
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Post by dugnet on Feb 24, 2021 10:40:23 GMT 1
Let me pose this question:
Why would Paul Cook or any other out of work manager see Town as a good job at the moment? The infrastructure and fan base aren't the issue but there is no doubt that since the sacking of the Cowley's there seems to be a view on how our club is run. Football is a small world and what happened to Danny and Nicky will be subject of much debate/gossip. Some will take a view based on their opinion of Danny and Nicky. Those that like them will support the narrative that the chairman interferes and those that don't will see it as 50-50.
You only have to watch Sky or Quest and there is definitely a view that our owner is viewed with some scepticism. Now if you are out of work you will want a job. However if you are ambitious and want to progress you will want to go where you think you can be success and shape a club. I wonder if you are that ambitious manager you see PH as a man you could work with? That perception maybe unfair but I think it is a perception that exists.
That all said CC I don't see CC being sacked so short term it's not an issue. Long term the club needs to be better and that comes from the top.
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Post by chinaski on Feb 24, 2021 10:43:32 GMT 1
Yeah, let’s keep sacking a manager every year like Watford.
CC isn’t the problem.
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Post by terriertim on Feb 24, 2021 12:28:14 GMT 1
Let me pose this question: W hy would Paul Cook or any other out of work manager see Town as a good job at the moment? The infrastructure and fan base aren't the issue but there is no doubt that since the sacking of the Cowley's there seems to be a view on how our club is run. Football is a small world and what happened to Danny and Nicky will be subject of much debate/gossip. Some will take a view based on their opinion of Danny and Nicky. Those that like them will support the narrative that the chairman interferes and those that don't will see it as 50-50. You only have to watch Sky or Quest and there is definitely a view that our owner is viewed with some scepticism. Now if you are out of work you will want a job. However if you are ambitious and want to progress you will want to go where you think you can be success and shape a club. I wonder if you are that ambitious manager you see PH as a man you could work with? That perception maybe unfair but I think it is a perception that exists. That all said CC I don't see CC being sacked so short term it's not an issue. Long term the club needs to be better and that comes from the top. Cos it better than being at home doing jigsaw puzzles, fappin and watching repeats of Bargain Hunt ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 12:49:30 GMT 1
Yeah, let’s keep sacking a manager every year like Watford. CC isn’t the problem. agree but dont expect the uneducated football wise on here to understand that. as i say most on here are balanced in there posts but some really just shut up they overreact to eveything. its a crisis if we dont get a corner for some on here.utt time tongive this site a miss
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 24, 2021 12:53:43 GMT 1
It's a problem deeper than Carlos, Cook isn't a yes man and neither is Pearson (yes, he's just gone to Bristol) but it is going to take an almighty effort from Carlos to get this thin group of young players to dig deep and get themselves out of it.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Feb 24, 2021 12:59:25 GMT 1
I am starting to lose faith in Carlos. Although a lot of things are out of his hands some of his decisions seem to be very baffling.
The problem we have is that after people can now see how the club is being ran, nobody is going to take the job. If we sack CC we will end up with Tommy Elphick being the new gaffer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 13:04:28 GMT 1
CC is still making exactly the same mistakes he was making earlier in the season. There's absolutely no sign that he has learnt from previous games. Last night was no different to Watford away which was no different to Cardiff away which was no different to Birmingham away. Let us have the ball we will do nothing with it other than play ourselves into trouble. I reckon 80% of the goals we have conceded have come directly from a town error this season. He doesn't know how to deal with Hogg being injured. He chose to completely disrupt the back 3 to stick Vallejo in midfield rather than tweak the system. There's no intensity in our play, there's no tempo and we are so predictable. I was totally on board with implementing an identity and was very supportive of Carlos but he isn't learning or adapting at all. If the goals are coming from individual mistakes, how is that Carlos’s fault? Our issue is injuries and confidence. I’d rather we go down than sack Carlos, I’ve absolutely loved how we’ve played at time’s this season. You'd rather us get relegated than sack the manager? What an odd thing to say.
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