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Post by impact on May 19, 2021 12:04:13 GMT 1
I know statistics can say anything but these numbers suggest that since he came into the side he has been the 5th best goalkeeper in the Championship. I seem to remember when he first came in he made quite a few important saves that gained us vital points at the time. At QPR he did sort of spill a shot but ultimately cleared the ball with his feet - that was at 0 0 and we went on to win. We have had a number of loan keepers recently and wouldn’t say any of them are really better than RS. I don't think they suggest that at all. He has made some superb stops. That's what that graph measures. It doesn't measure how many of the XG against or the preventions could have been stopped at source before they became a chance. In that graph, if you gave 3 penalties away and saved 1 you would look better than if you had just claimed the ball without fouling on each occasion.
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Post by Tinpot on May 19, 2021 14:25:16 GMT 1
In my mind that chart shows nothing. Goals against per 90 min is not a direct reflection on the keeper's performance alone. And what the hell does prevented goals mean? Expected goals - actual goals = prevented goals. So, if you let in 3 goals but the xG is 4, you've prevented 1 goal. It's not a meaningless stat, but it's important not to read too much into it. If I had an open goal in the middle of the 6 yard box & poked it wide, the keeper has prevented an almost certain goal - even if he had nothing to do with me tripping over my own feet. If I smash in an absolute thunderbastard from 30 yards into the top corner, that might be an xG of 0.01, but according to the stats he looks like a poor goalkeeper. It evens itself out over the course of a season in one sense (every keeper will face some great finishes & some howlers), but it does only show how good you are at shot stopping. In that sense, he's probably 6th best shot stopper in the division. Probably not a huge surprise. If a keeper's role was solely to prevent chances going in, then great, but it isn't. If there was a similar stat for crosses claimed I doubt there would be many below him in this division. The summer spent bulking up & a lot of work on him claiming crosses and we could have a cracking keeper on our hands.
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Post by Up the Duff. on May 19, 2021 14:35:50 GMT 1
Small size stats are not particularly insightful. What would it say if it detailed crosses into our box and how many were caught or punched to safety.
Good shot stopper but alot of work to do around positioning and commanding his box. Work in progress but not first choice for me just yet.
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Post by impact on May 19, 2021 15:27:37 GMT 1
In my mind that chart shows nothing. Goals against per 90 min is not a direct reflection on the keeper's performance alone. And what the hell does prevented goals mean? Expected goals - actual goals = prevented goals. So, if you let in 3 goals but the xG is 4, you've prevented 1 goal. It's not a meaningless stat, but it's important not to read too much into it. If I had an open goal in the middle of the 6 yard box & poked it wide, the keeper has prevented an almost certain goal - even if he had nothing to do with me tripping over my own feet. If I smash in an absolute thunderbastard from 30 yards into the top corner, that might be an xG of 0.01, but according to the stats he looks like a poor goalkeeper. It evens itself out over the course of a season in one sense (every keeper will face some great finishes & some howlers), but it does only show how good you are at shot stopping. In that sense, he's probably 6th best shot stopper in the division. Probably not a huge surprise. If a keeper's role was solely to prevent chances going in, then great, but it isn't. If there was a similar stat for crosses claimed I doubt there would be many below him in this division. The summer spent bulking up & a lot of work on him claiming crosses and we could have a cracking keeper on our hands. Agree with all of that. I posted this twitter thread a while back which illustrates your point. Back then he was outperforming the xG but was the worst in the league at coming off his line.
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Post by Tiro on May 19, 2021 17:38:05 GMT 1
Expected goals - actual goals = prevented goals. So, if you let in 3 goals but the xG is 4, you've prevented 1 goal. It's not a meaningless stat, but it's important not to read too much into it. If I had an open goal in the middle of the 6 yard box & poked it wide, the keeper has prevented an almost certain goal - even if he had nothing to do with me tripping over my own feet. If I smash in an absolute thunderbastard from 30 yards into the top corner, that might be an xG of 0.01, but according to the stats he looks like a poor goalkeeper. It evens itself out over the course of a season in one sense (every keeper will face some great finishes & some howlers), but it does only show how good you are at shot stopping. In that sense, he's probably 6th best shot stopper in the division. Probably not a huge surprise. If a keeper's role was solely to prevent chances going in, then great, but it isn't. If there was a similar stat for crosses claimed I doubt there would be many below him in this division. The summer spent bulking up & a lot of work on him claiming crosses and we could have a cracking keeper on our hands. Agree with all of that. I posted this twitter thread a while back which illustrates your point. Back then he was outperforming the xG but was the worst in the league at coming off his line. Really interesting thread! Also demonstrates/confirms what we know: - very poor at high balls, especially under pressure; - makes errors on shots considered less difficult; - has very little protection; - not great with his feet; - average shot-stopper on league merit (in general. I saw other stats that showed he bets in the league for stopping at close range).
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 7, 2021 16:00:46 GMT 1
Shocking Schofield yet again. If Corberan sticks with him it's going to be another long and frustrating season with the worst number of goals conceded.
He should be immediately put out on loan in L1 / 2 and learn his trade properly, specifically commanding his area rather than shirking away. It's inexcusable at this level that we're continuing with him whilst he possesses this major weakness.
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 7, 2021 16:03:01 GMT 1
Shocking Schofield yet again. If Corberan sticks with him it's going to be another long and frustrating season with the worst number of goals conceded. He should be immediately put out on loan in L1 / 2 and learn his trade properly, specifically commanding his area rather than shirking away. It's inexcusable at this level that we're continuing with him whilst he possesses this major weakness. Only listening, but didn't Holmes knock it past Schofield at the near post for the goal and didn't Schofield save a one on one against Lawrence? Don't these two events cancel themselves out?
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 7, 2021 16:04:42 GMT 1
Shocking Schofield yet again. If Corberan sticks with him it's going to be another long and frustrating season with the worst number of goals conceded. He should be immediately put out on loan in L1 / 2 and learn his trade properly, specifically commanding his area rather than shirking away. It's inexcusable at this level that we're continuing with him whilst he possesses this major weakness. Only listening, but didn't Holmes knock it past Schofield at the near post for the goal and didn't Schofield save a one on one against Lawrence? Don't these two events cancel themselves out? I’m no Schofield apologist, but he had no chance for the Derby goal.
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Post by specialun on Aug 7, 2021 16:05:04 GMT 1
Ridiculous corner to give away to start
Why is Holmes at front post - pointless. Whose decision was that?
Schofield no glory but saved us from the earlier defensive mess up by Pearson
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Post by goodbet on Aug 7, 2021 16:07:04 GMT 1
Shocking Schofield yet again. If Corberan sticks with him it's going to be another long and frustrating season with the worst number of goals conceded. He should be immediately put out on loan in L1 / 2 and learn his trade properly, specifically commanding his area rather than shirking away. It's inexcusable at this level that we're continuing with him whilst he possesses this major weakness. Only listening, but didn't Holmes knock it past Schofield at the near post for the goal and didn't Schofield save a one on one against Lawrence? Don't these two events cancel themselves out? I don't think so! if a keeper saves one and lets the next one in I don't think that they would be a keeper very long.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 7, 2021 16:18:49 GMT 1
His positioning was wrong, and he doesn't inspire confidence.
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Aug 7, 2021 17:06:05 GMT 1
Absolutely Shite There is more to a keeper than just good shot stopping the game has evolved. Distribution shite High balls into his area shite Commanding his area Shite. Timewasting at 1 1 when we should be going for the 3 points.
The quicker Nicholls comes back the better.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 7, 2021 17:08:25 GMT 1
His positioning was wrong, and he doesn't inspire confidence. There are less crosses than there used to be so he is definitely playing in the right era for his abilities, sadly there are still too many. He needs a stone or more on his bones at least. That might give him some physical confidence.?
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Post by omegasupreme on Aug 7, 2021 17:09:45 GMT 1
Absolutely Shite There is more to a keeper than just good shot stopping the game has evolved. Distribution shite High balls into his area shite Commanding his area Shite. Timewasting at 1 1 when we should be going for the 3 points. The quicker Nicholls comes back the better. Derby’s goal proved this. You just don’t see goals like that at this level. He is an awful keeper and I cannot believe we are still having to watch him. He should be at a league 2 club on a season long loan.
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Post by davethesprout on Aug 7, 2021 17:19:09 GMT 1
His positioning was wrong, and he doesn't inspire confidence. He is Awful Watching the WBA game last night , with 5 in the box , for corner & free kicks , he would have been out of his depth ! i fault the Morons , who started him as number one ! No other League side , even in Div 2 , would sign him
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Post by H7 on Aug 7, 2021 17:30:59 GMT 1
Backup at the absolute best. Sorry he is just not good enough at this level for a team with aspirations higher than avoiding relegation.
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Post by loumacari on Aug 7, 2021 17:54:32 GMT 1
He’s non-league, 7th or 8th tier, at best. And I think he’d still get bullied and be glued to his line there.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 7, 2021 18:09:08 GMT 1
Absolutely Shite There is more to a keeper than just good shot stopping the game has evolved. Distribution shite High balls into his area shite Commanding his area Shite. Timewasting at 1 1 when we should be going for the 3 points. The quicker Nicholls comes back the better. 10 days from start of symptoms or positive test until he can stop self isolating. I don't know when the 10 days started but Fulham looks unlikely & even Preston might be a no-go too. Depends whether CC is confident of putting Nicholls in with little to no training sessions since self isolation as well as start date.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 7, 2021 18:10:43 GMT 1
As much as I don't think he's ready and might never be good enough, my overriding thoughts are what absolutely shower of shit 'supporters' we have.
Question and criticise, but the tone in shocking.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Aug 7, 2021 18:49:33 GMT 1
As much as I don't think he's ready and might never be good enough, my overriding thoughts are what absolutely shower of shit 'supporters' we have. Question and criticise, but the tone in shocking. Absolutely right! Now that I live down South (and wasn't born in Yorkshire) I can heartily say "miserable Yorkshire bastards". Schofield pulled off some good saves today. He's a Town player. Support him, and encourage him to improve. Constructive criticism will help.
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Post by Champers on Aug 7, 2021 18:54:39 GMT 1
As much as I don't think he's ready and might never be good enough, my overriding thoughts are what absolutely shower of shit 'supporters' we have. Question and criticise, but the tone in shocking. Absolutely right! Now that I live down South (and wasn't born in Yorkshire) I can heartily say "miserable Yorkshire bastards". Schofield pulled off some good saves today. He's a Town player. Support him, and encourage him to improve. Constructive criticism will help. Unless he scours the internet after games I doubt he's going to discover any constructive criticism. He's paid to be a pro footballer and dealing with disgruntled fans is part of that. He's been given a far easier time of it than Diakhaby and Mbenza have, and I don't remember too many fighting their corner.
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Post by eyeballpaul on Aug 7, 2021 18:56:51 GMT 1
As much as I don't think he's ready and might never be good enough, my overriding thoughts are what absolutely shower of shit 'supporters' we have. Question and criticise, but the tone in shocking. I couldn't agree more!!!
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Post by Mounie for nothing on Aug 7, 2021 19:01:52 GMT 1
I'd rather have Phil Schofield, at least he's good at coming out to claim balls...
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Post by alexdire on Aug 7, 2021 19:33:01 GMT 1
I'd rather have Phil Schofield, at least he's good at coming out to claim balls... It's not academy football though
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 7, 2021 19:45:33 GMT 1
As much as I don't think he's ready and might never be good enough, my overriding thoughts are what absolutely shower of shit 'supporters' we have. Question and criticise, but the tone in shocking. I'm afraid it's a lot to do with DATM and other media platforms which attract a number of depressives. Talking to and mixing with other fans, it is nothing like what you read on here.
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Post by bentley316 on Aug 7, 2021 19:47:48 GMT 1
Just curious as its a little before my time. Did Smithies get this sort of stick when he was coming through?
I dont think Schofield is ready for week in week out championship football. I also think Ben Hamer leaving in Jan didnt help his development as he had to go straight into the spotlight.
The fans saying he isnt even non league standard are bloody morons though. Some horrid comments aimed at the lad. Id love to know how people would feel if wasnt an academy keeper. Weirdly i think people would be more forgiving if we paid a couple mil for him.
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Post by Niggled on Aug 7, 2021 19:54:06 GMT 1
Just curious as its a little before my time. Did Smithies get this sort of stick when he was coming through? I dont think Schofield is ready for week in week out championship football. I also think Ben Hamer leaving in Jan didnt help his development as he had to go straight into the spotlight. The fans saying he isnt even non league standard are bloody morons though. Some horrid comments aimed at the lad. Id love to know how people would feel if wasnt an academy keeper. Weirdly i think people would be more forgiving if we paid a couple mil for him. Smithies was younger and better. There's no hiding place for goalkeepers I'm afraid and he just doesn't inspire confidence.
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Post by omegasupreme on Aug 7, 2021 20:00:11 GMT 1
As much as I don't think he's ready and might never be good enough, my overriding thoughts are what absolutely shower of shit 'supporters' we have. Question and criticise, but the tone in shocking. Absolutely right! Now that I live down South (and wasn't born in Yorkshire) I can heartily say "miserable Yorkshire bastards". Schofield pulled off some good saves today. He's a Town player. Support him, and encourage him to improve. Constructive criticism will help. The point is for all the good save he makes, other aspects of his game are so dreadful that he regularly costs the team goals. I don’t think many people would argue with that. A lot of the stick he gets probably originates from anger and frustration at the board - because quite simply he should not be playing for the first team. Its not his fault he is a liability it’s the clubs fault for putting him in this position. I’ve said it all summer - we needed two keepers in so he could go out on loan (non-league if need be) and learn how to catch a cross. Might sound a bit harsh but it’s true.
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Post by alexdire on Aug 7, 2021 20:02:14 GMT 1
Just curious as its a little before my time. Did Smithies get this sort of stick when he was coming through? I dont think Schofield is ready for week in week out championship football. I also think Ben Hamer leaving in Jan didnt help his development as he had to go straight into the spotlight. The fans saying he isnt even non league standard are bloody morons though. Some horrid comments aimed at the lad. Id love to know how people would feel if wasnt an academy keeper. Weirdly i think people would be more forgiving if we paid a couple mil for him. No, Simon Eastwood did. Although he got a lot of criticisms over his ability at dealing with crosses. In my opinion Schofield is the worst keeper we've had since Tim Clarke. He gets nothing like the abuse Clarke did though.
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 7, 2021 20:04:06 GMT 1
Just curious as its a little before my time. Did Smithies get this sort of stick when he was coming through? I dont think Schofield is ready for week in week out championship football. I also think Ben Hamer leaving in Jan didnt help his development as he had to go straight into the spotlight. The fans saying he isnt even non league standard are bloody morons though. Some horrid comments aimed at the lad. Id love to know how people would feel if wasnt an academy keeper. Weirdly i think people would be more forgiving if we paid a couple mil for him. Smithies was younger and better. There's no hiding place for goalkeepers I'm afraid and he just doesn't inspire confidence. I know where you’re coming from and I have put the boot in on Schofield myself but I think we need to understand that there are different types of keepers. He doesn’t command the box, he leaves that for the defenders. But he does make the saves. He’s pretty similar to De Gea in this regard, his command of his box is rubbish as well. What we need to discover is whether he concedes more goals than the average.
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