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Post by digs on May 26, 2021 10:28:15 GMT 1
Tbf Sarrs played for Lyon,Sporting and Red Star,played in the Europa league,Hudson only played a hand full of games in the Premier,Cardiff got rid of him soon as they got there,he was another that came to the Town retirement home And yet without him the chances are we'd never have seen the EPL. He made 26 appearances that season, and played a vital part alongside Schindler whilst Hefele slowly came up to speed and was gradually eased into action. We collected more points and conceded fewer goals in the first half of that season (where Hudson played more games at centre half) compared to the second (where Hefele did). He knows exactly what his limits were at age 35 - but he certainly didn't let himself or the club down in that final season, and I guess thats partly why Wagner gave him such freedom to pick and choose the role he'd have etc, presumably the similar conversations that are now ongoing with Richard Keogh. Too much money spent on jobs for the boys,instead of paying for players that can actually do a job on the pitch
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 10:31:18 GMT 1
And yet without him the chances are we'd never have seen the EPL. He made 26 appearances that season, and played a vital part alongside Schindler whilst Hefele slowly came up to speed and was gradually eased into action. We collected more points and conceded fewer goals in the first half of that season (where Hudson played more games at centre half) compared to the second (where Hefele did). He knows exactly what his limits were at age 35 - but he certainly didn't let himself or the club down in that final season, and I guess thats partly why Wagner gave him such freedom to pick and choose the role he'd have etc, presumably the similar conversations that are now ongoing with Richard Keogh. Too much money spent on jobs for the boys,instead of paying for players that can actually do a job on the pitch Ok.
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Post by Skint Terriers on May 26, 2021 10:31:18 GMT 1
Nostalgia is taking over with a lot of peoples opinions.
Hudson was crap and we were all crying for him to be dropped every week
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Post by Floyds on May 26, 2021 10:53:41 GMT 1
Hudson was crap.
But not as bad as his namesake.
He was on a different level. Great at pointing at other people. Although he did score a direct freekick from over by the far touchline, in front of the kop at Valley Parade, if memory serves...
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Post by Captainslapper on May 26, 2021 11:12:14 GMT 1
Hudson was crap. But not as bad as his namesake. He was on a different level. Great at pointing at other people. Although he did score a direct freekick from over by the far touchline, in front of the kop at Valley Parade, if memory serves... Perhaps unsurprisingly, that's a player id totally forgotten about until you mentioned him. I still can't even visualise what he looked like or anything he did.
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Post by Floyds on May 26, 2021 11:24:20 GMT 1
Hudson was crap. But not as bad as his namesake. He was on a different level. Great at pointing at other people. Although he did score a direct freekick from over by the far touchline, in front of the kop at Valley Parade, if memory serves... Perhaps unsurprisingly, that's a player id totally forgotten about until you mentioned him. I still can't even visualise what he looked like or anything he did. He was small with dark hair. A holding midfielder who didn't tackle, pass or shoot*. Hopeless. Although, he scored 6 in 61 for us. A better record than most of our current midfielders. Or strikers, for that matter
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Post by foxtrot666 on May 26, 2021 11:39:52 GMT 1
Perhaps unsurprisingly, that's a player id totally forgotten about until you mentioned him. I still can't even visualise what he looked like or anything he did. He was small with dark hair. A holding midfielder who didn't tackle, pass or shoot*. Hopeless. Although, he scored 6 in 61 for us. A better record than most of our current midfielders. Or strikers, for that matter I don't know which is harder to believe , that he actually played 61 games or that he scored 6 goals. If i was picking my least favourite Town team of all time he would be in it, awful player.
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Post by impact on May 26, 2021 14:39:06 GMT 1
2013/14 He was the only player that came close to Clayton really IMO but shared second place in the BWF awards with Dixon. www.htafc.com/news/2014/april/clayton-wins-bwf-player-of-the-year/Apparently he wasn't a lovely person and was related to Stevie G and some couldn't get past those vital things when assessing a player's performances. But in terms of consistency, reliability and quality he was a very good player for us at that time. And in the actual player of the season award he didn't come in the top 3.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 26, 2021 16:31:49 GMT 1
If you say so. My opinion on him was based on what I saw. Nothing flash, just a consistently very good performer. Should have been 2nd in both awards IMO.
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Post by shawsie on May 26, 2021 16:49:34 GMT 1
If you say so. My opinion on him was based on what I saw. Nothing flash, just a consistently very good performer. Should have been 2nd in both awards IMO. Not so sure he was very good, however I’d agree he was one of our more consistent performers and but for him being a bit of a gobby git most would agree I think.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 26, 2021 17:06:45 GMT 1
2013/14 He was the only player that came close to Clayton really IMO but shared second place in the BWF awards with Dixon. www.htafc.com/news/2014/april/clayton-wins-bwf-player-of-the-year/Apparently he wasn't a lovely person and was related to Stevie G and some couldn't get past those vital things when assessing a player's performances. But in terms of consistency, reliability and quality he was a very good player for us at that time. And in the actual player of the season award he didn't come in the top 3. That's cos he were shite. Remembering scoring in a home game giving the Kilner Bank the hand cupped to the ear.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 26, 2021 17:45:06 GMT 1
If you say so. My opinion on him was based on what I saw. Nothing flash, just a consistently very good performer. Should have been 2nd in both awards IMO. Not so sure he was very good, however I’d agree he was one of our more consistent performers and but for him being a bit of a gobby git most would agree I think. People didn't like him as a player because of what they thought he was like as a person. 'he was shite because he cupped his ear to the kilner bank' kind of stuff. Personally Im not after a drinking buddy so that sort of stuff doesn't interest me. Hudson always came across as a really top bloke. Probably very likeable. As a player for Town though for me he wasn't a patch on Gerrard.
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Post by omegasupreme on May 27, 2021 7:50:17 GMT 1
Disagree. I think Sarrs defending is actually very good. Tackling, blocking shots, winning headers, tracking runners. All way better than Hudson was for town. Where his game falls down is when he has the ball at his feet because he is prone to make a disastrous pass, though to be fair he can also knock a lovely 50 yard ball out to a wide player every so often. There again I don't remember Hudson being Pirlo with the ball at his feet either! I liked Hudson as a character but Jesus he was a terrible defender. He was incredibly weak in the air as he couldn’t jump and I also cannot remember seeing a player so slow at town. He was 32-33 when playing for us but he literally looked about 41. Sarr can be an excellent all round centre half IMO but he lacks concentration and is very prone to disastrous errors. I am optimistic that a more vocal player next to him would be able to keep him focused for 90 minutes a game.
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Post by omegasupreme on May 27, 2021 7:52:15 GMT 1
Perhaps unsurprisingly, that's a player id totally forgotten about until you mentioned him. I still can't even visualise what he looked like or anything he did. He was small with dark hair. A holding midfielder who didn't tackle, pass or shoot*. Hopeless. Although, he scored 6 in 61 for us. A better record than most of our current midfielders. Or strikers, for that matter One of my last favourite players ever.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 27, 2021 9:41:01 GMT 1
He was small with dark hair. A holding midfielder who didn't tackle, pass or shoot*. Hopeless. Although, he scored 6 in 61 for us. A better record than most of our current midfielders. Or strikers, for that matter One of my last favourite players ever. Funny how just one missing letter completely changes the meaning of the post!
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Post by omegasupreme on May 27, 2021 15:03:27 GMT 1
One of my last favourite players ever. Funny how just one missing letter completely changes the meaning of the post! What do you mean? I thought he was brilliant?
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Post by richhtfc on May 27, 2021 17:05:02 GMT 1
Hudson was okay for us. Well past his best, no where near as good as Sarr is, all the chopping and changing and having no one to come in for him when he was out of form was abit unfortunate for him this season. If I remember rightly Hudson had Joel Lynch next to him, who around that time was pretty good! I often think Sarr and Lynch have (had?) similarities....if only because each could make you gasp at their ability/skills one moment, then commit the most horrendous gaff the next. Thought Lynch was great , I like Sarr as well to be fair
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Post by golcarexile on May 28, 2021 4:50:29 GMT 1
We often hear that Wagner's promotion team was better than the sum of its parts. Well, I think the current team is worse than the sum of its parts. Sarr is not a bad defender, but prone to gaffes. Schofield makes decent saves, but is prone to gaffes, campbell has some great attributes but doesn't score goals. You get the idea. If we bring in the right people in rhe right positions, that balance can be redressed.
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Post by johntheterrier on May 29, 2021 18:58:52 GMT 1
He's far from the worst defender to pull a Town shirt on, True but he's far from the best as well. He's very average, just another one in a long line if average signings. I can't remember the last time I was actually excited about a signing we made. Don't tell me that our resigning of Danny Ward didn't get your juices flowing??
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 1, 2021 19:09:40 GMT 1
I often think Sarr and Lynch have (had?) similarities....if only because each could make you gasp at their ability/skills one moment, then commit the most horrendous gaff the next. Thought Lynch was great , I like Sarr as well to be fair Agreed.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 1, 2021 20:33:22 GMT 1
Thought Lynch was great , I like Sarr as well to be fair Agreed. Lynch was/is the better of the 2, although he was prone to dropping some clangers too, although he weighed in with some good and important goals.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 2, 2021 9:21:15 GMT 1
Hudson was crap for the 2 full seasons he played for us. A real symptom of Hoyle's underinvestment from 2013-16. However he barely put a foot wrong in the promotion season. We were all clamouring for Hefele but Hudson did the crucial job of bedding Schindler in, and was part of that great start to the season we had. At which point he had done all he was useful for to a pretty high standard. Still managed to completely snuff out Aguero in the FA Cup home game that season as well.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 2, 2021 9:58:42 GMT 1
Hudson was crap for the 2 full seasons he played for us. A real symptom of Hoyle's underinvestment from 2013-16. However he barely put a foot wrong in the promotion season. We were all clamouring for Hefele but Hudson did the crucial job of bedding Schindler in, and was part of that great start to the season we had. At which point he had done all he was useful for to a pretty high standard. Still managed to completely snuff out Aguero in the FA Cup home game that season as well. When you say "underinvestment" what do you mean by that ? "Under" in relation to what ? What was coming in ? What you as a fan wanted to be invested ? The term looks like you felt the club were being badly managed ?
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 2, 2021 10:04:58 GMT 1
Hudson was crap for the 2 full seasons he played for us. A real symptom of Hoyle's underinvestment from 2013-16. However he barely put a foot wrong in the promotion season. We were all clamouring for Hefele but Hudson did the crucial job of bedding Schindler in, and was part of that great start to the season we had. At which point he had done all he was useful for to a pretty high standard. Still managed to completely snuff out Aguero in the FA Cup home game that season as well. When you say "underinvestment" what do you mean by that ? "Under" in relation to what ? What was coming in ? What you as a fan wanted to be invested ? The term looks like you felt the club were being badly managed ? Underinvestment as in he could have spent loads cos he’s now getting it all back 😂😂
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 2, 2021 11:37:24 GMT 1
Hudson was crap for the 2 full seasons he played for us. A real symptom of Hoyle's underinvestment from 2013-16. However he barely put a foot wrong in the promotion season. We were all clamouring for Hefele but Hudson did the crucial job of bedding Schindler in, and was part of that great start to the season we had. At which point he had done all he was useful for to a pretty high standard. Still managed to completely snuff out Aguero in the FA Cup home game that season as well. When you say "underinvestment" what do you mean by that ? "Under" in relation to what ? What was coming in ? What you as a fan wanted to be invested ? The term looks like you felt the club were being badly managed ? Underinvestment in relation to Hoyle's previous seasons. There were bits of good transfer business in and amongst during that period, but look at who we signed summer 2012 and summer 2016, then look at who we signed in the intervening 3 seasons. The club was stagnating on the pitch, crowds were really going down, the academy stopped producing good enough players, and the outlay on transfers certainly lulled. Think it gets swept under the carpet a bit considering what came afterwards.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 2, 2021 11:45:17 GMT 1
When you say "underinvestment" what do you mean by that ? "Under" in relation to what ? What was coming in ? What you as a fan wanted to be invested ? The term looks like you felt the club were being badly managed ? Underinvestment in relation to Hoyle's previous seasons. There were bits of good transfer business in and amongst during that period, but look at who we signed summer 2012 and summer 2016, then look at who we signed in the intervening 3 seasons. The club was stagnating on the pitch, crowds were really going down, the academy stopped producing good enough players, and the outlay on transfers certainly lulled. Think it gets swept under the carpet a bit considering what came afterwards. But the investment between 2012-16 would have been far higher than when we were in league one . It's just we were now playing teams who spent more than us rather than teams who spent less . I'm not sure why you think anything got "swept under the carpet " . Dean Hoyle was still racking up debts which he would have been reasonable in thinking he would never get back . When Wagner arrived he just decided to rack up higher debts .
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 2, 2021 12:05:52 GMT 1
Hudson was crap for the 2 full seasons he played for us. A real symptom of Hoyle's underinvestment from 2013-16. However he barely put a foot wrong in the promotion season. We were all clamouring for Hefele but Hudson did the crucial job of bedding Schindler in, and was part of that great start to the season we had. At which point he had done all he was useful for to a pretty high standard. Still managed to completely snuff out Aguero in the FA Cup home game that season as well. When you say "underinvestment" what do you mean by that ? "Under" in relation to what ? What was coming in ? What you as a fan wanted to be invested ? The term looks like you felt the club were being badly managed ? TBF to Crisp Owl, he was not backed with much to replace the outgoing Coady, Smithies et al. I think that's what tepid is referring to. I mean, the underinvestment then paved the way for Wagner to have a war chest so it wasn't a bad strategy, but underinvestment at the time does seem like a fair analysis.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 2, 2021 12:07:47 GMT 1
All that said, what Hudson was like as a player is pretty much irrelevant to how he'll be as a coach. Lots of great players make terrible coaches & vice versa.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 2, 2021 12:16:40 GMT 1
When you say "underinvestment" what do you mean by that ? "Under" in relation to what ? What was coming in ? What you as a fan wanted to be invested ? The term looks like you felt the club were being badly managed ? TBF to Crisp Owl, he was not backed with much to replace the outgoing Coady, Smithies et al. I think that's what tepid is referring to. I mean, the underinvestment then paved the way for Wagner to have a war chest so it wasn't a bad strategy, but underinvestment at the time does seem like a fair analysis. Does it ? "Under" is a subjective term . Under in relation to what ? I bet the wage bill in 2015-16 was higher than in 2012-13 . And certainly 2010-11 . And that in all three periods the Club would have been running at a loss and being propped up by a benefactor. So as far as I can see the "under" you are stating is "Under what we gave wagner "
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Post by richhtfc on Jun 2, 2021 16:50:17 GMT 1
When you say "underinvestment" what do you mean by that ? "Under" in relation to what ? What was coming in ? What you as a fan wanted to be invested ? The term looks like you felt the club were being badly managed ? Underinvestment in relation to Hoyle's previous seasons. There were bits of good transfer business in and amongst during that period, but look at who we signed summer 2012 and summer 2016, then look at who we signed in the intervening 3 seasons. The club was stagnating on the pitch, crowds were really going down, the academy stopped producing good enough players, and the outlay on transfers certainly lulled. Think it gets swept under the carpet a bit considering what came afterwards. I’ve just had a look here www.transfermarkt.co.uk/huddersfield-town/transfers/verein/1110/plus/1?saison_id=2012&pos=&detailpos=&w_s= at who we signed during those 3 seasons and there are loads of players you would have considered ‘successful’ in there, many of which became key in the promotion season like Wells, Hogg, Smith and Van La Parra. Some others that I enjoyed watching Scannel Clayton Norwood Lynch Hammil Vaughan Beckford Lolley Coady Peltier Holt Robinson Butterfield Huws Chilwell Husband Cranie Whitehead Paterson Billing So in summary, I don’t agree with you. Edit: also worth mentioning that two of them Chilwell and Coady are going to the Euros with England this summer. And Chilwell (granted we didn’t have him long) has just won the Champions League with Chelsea.
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