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Post by specialun on Jun 3, 2021 13:32:34 GMT 1
What does good look like? What do we expect?
The below are the records of our permanent managers in the seasons they were managing us in the Championship since promotion from league 1 in 2012
I haven’t included previous periods eg 1995-2001 as a very different league / less impact of premier league parachute payments but Bruce, Jacko and Horton would be high on the list below
Edited to 1. Remove cup games given confusion (using Bedhead numbers - cheers) 2. Amend Wagner/Siewert error - thanks all
Wagner P76 W35 D12 L29 PPG 1.54
Cowley P39 W13 D11 L15 PPG 1.28
Robins P62 W20 D14 L28 PPG 1.19
Grayson P28 W8 D9 L11 PPG 1.18
Powell P55 W15 D20 L20 PPG 1.18
Corberan P46 W12 D13 L21 PPG 1.07
Siewert P3 W0 D1 L2 PPG 0.33
What do the fans think good look like / be happy with?
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Post by Dan on Jun 3, 2021 13:37:13 GMT 1
What does good look like? What do we expect? The below are the records of our permanent managers in the seasons they were managing us in the Championship since promotion from league 1 in 2012 It’s organised by points per game equivalent (ie includes play off & cup games but given we’ve been crap in cups since what seems like forever it shouldn’t skew the stats) I haven’t included previous periods eg 1995-2001 as a very different league / less impact of premier league parachute payments but Bruce, Jacko and Horton would be high on the list below Wagner P54 W27 D10 L17 Win 50% PPG equivalent 1.69 Cowley P40 W13 D11 L16 Win 33% PPG 1.25 Robins P68 W23 D14 L31 Win 34% PPG 1.22 Grayson P30 W9 D9 L12 Win 30% PPG 1.20 Powell P57 W15 D20 L22 Win 26% PPG 1.14 Corberan P47 W12 D13 L23 Win 25% PPG 1.04 Siewert P6 W0 D1 L5 Win 0% PPG 0.17 What do the fans think good look like / be happy with? Wagner was good. Siewert was bad. The rest - much of a muchness. |
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Post by benhomly on Jun 3, 2021 14:21:05 GMT 1
What does good look like? What do we expect? The below are the records of our permanent managers in the seasons they were managing us in the Championship since promotion from league 1 in 2012 It’s organised by points per game equivalent (ie includes play off & cup games but given we’ve been crap in cups since what seems like forever it shouldn’t skew the stats) I haven’t included previous periods eg 1995-2001 as a very different league / less impact of premier league parachute payments but Bruce, Jacko and Horton would be high on the list below Wagner P54 W27 D10 L17 Win 50% PPG equivalent 1.69 Cowley P40 W13 D11 L16 Win 33% PPG 1.25 Robins P68 W23 D14 L31 Win 34% PPG 1.22 Grayson P30 W9 D9 L12 Win 30% PPG 1.20 Powell P57 W15 D20 L22 Win 26% PPG 1.14 Corberan P47 W12 D13 L23 Win 25% PPG 1.04 Siewert P6 W0 D1 L5 Win 0% PPG 0.17 What do the fans think good look like / be happy with? Wagner was good. Siewert was bad. The rest - much of a muchness. I'd go so far as to say Wagner was good, the rest poor |
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 3, 2021 14:24:09 GMT 1
Wagner's win% would have been better if we'd failed to achieve promotion.
If Man City finish 5th bottom next season & Brentford finish 4th bottom, would that mean Pep Guardiola did a better job than Thomas Frank?
Level you're at & resources available can skew the stats one way or the other.
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Post by specialun on Jun 3, 2021 14:30:11 GMT 1
Wagner's win% would have been better if we'd failed to achieve promotion. . It wouldn’t affect above - doesn’t include any Premier league results Albeit does include 3 draws from the play offs |
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Post by specialun on Jun 3, 2021 14:32:32 GMT 1
I think we set Wagner as great - if he’s only good all our future managers will be sh1te!
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Post by alexdire on Jun 3, 2021 15:17:25 GMT 1
Wagner's win% would have been better if we'd failed to achieve promotion. . It wouldn’t affect above - doesn’t include any Premier league results Albeit does include 3 draws from the play offs Plus he'd have left in that summer. |
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Post by huddersfc on Jun 3, 2021 15:19:20 GMT 1
You would have to consider what each of the managers had to work with though. Siewart was made worse by the fact he had a lot of quality to work with compared to say Powell but he couldn't motivate or inspire anything from the players he had. I think CC is lucky in respect of having excuses, because his points per game really is dreadful. The majority of owners would look at that stat alone and get rid.
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Post by ACW on Jun 3, 2021 15:43:14 GMT 1
What does good look like? What do we expect? The below are the records of our permanent managers in the seasons they were managing us in the Championship since promotion from league 1 in 2012 It’s organised by points per game equivalent (ie includes play off & cup games but given we’ve been crap in cups since what seems like forever it shouldn’t skew the stats) I haven’t included previous periods eg 1995-2001 as a very different league / less impact of premier league parachute payments but Bruce, Jacko and Horton would be high on the list below Wagner P54 W27 D10 L17 Win 50% PPG equivalent 1.69 Cowley P40 W13 D11 L16 Win 33% PPG 1.25 Robins P68 W23 D14 L31 Win 34% PPG 1.22 Grayson P30 W9 D9 L12 Win 30% PPG 1.20 Powell P57 W15 D20 L22 Win 26% PPG 1.14 Corberan P47 W12 D13 L23 Win 25% PPG 1.04 Siewert P6 W0 D1 L5 Win 0% PPG 0.17 What do the fans think good look like / be happy with? Did Wagner only manage us for 54 games whilst in the Championship? That seems very low considering he took over in Nov 2015 and got us promoted in May 2017. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 3, 2021 16:06:38 GMT 1
Cowley is better than Carlos
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Post by tedhead on Jun 3, 2021 17:04:20 GMT 1
I’m sure Corberan only has 46 championship games so far. Cowley only had 39 unless you’re including the final match which he wasn’t in charge of. Wagner definitely had more than 54 championship matches in charge of Town and Siewert only managed 3 matches in Championship. Not sure if the others are correct.
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Post by Galpharmer on Jun 3, 2021 17:12:10 GMT 1
Phil Parkinson the best for me. Technically unbeaten.
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Post by tedhead on Jun 3, 2021 17:15:39 GMT 1
Haven’t bothered checking Powell, Grayson or Robins but the last 3 are
Siewert 3 0 1 2 0.33 PPG
Cowley 39 13 11 15 1.28 PPG
Corberan 46 12 13 21 1.07 PPG
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Post by tedhead on Jun 3, 2021 17:54:48 GMT 1
Wagner P76 W35 D12 L29 PPG 1.54
Cowley P39 W13 D11 L15 PPG 1.28
Robins P62 W20 D14 L28 PPG 1.19
Grayson P28 W8 D9 L11 PPG 1.18
Powell P55 W15 D20 L20 PPG 1.18
Corberan P46 W12 D13 L21 PPG 1.07
Siewert P3 W0 D1 L2 PPG 0.33
This only includes matches played in the Championship so no cup or playoff games or the 15 or so games Grayson had in Lge 1. And I haven’t included caretaker managers.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 3, 2021 19:32:00 GMT 1
Haven’t bothered checking Powell, Grayson or Robins but the last 3 are Siewert 3 0 1 2 0.33 PPG Cowley 39 13 11 15 1.28 PPG Corberan 46 12 13 21 1.07 PPG Good data - I’d noticed there were some errors in the original but you spotted more. |
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Post by tedhead on Jun 3, 2021 19:34:14 GMT 1
Haven’t bothered checking Powell, Grayson or Robins but the last 3 are Siewert 3 0 1 2 0.33 PPG Cowley 39 13 11 15 1.28 PPG Corberan 46 12 13 21 1.07 PPG Good data - I’d noticed there were some errors in the original but you spotted more. I had to edit my post a few times to get it right in fairness. 😂 |
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Post by specialun on Jun 3, 2021 20:14:06 GMT 1
What does good look like? What do we expect? The below are the records of our permanent managers in the seasons they were managing us in the Championship since promotion from league 1 in 2012 It’s organised by points per game equivalent (ie includes play off & cup games but given we’ve been crap in cups since what seems like forever it shouldn’t skew the stats) I haven’t included previous periods eg 1995-2001 as a very different league / less impact of premier league parachute payments but Bruce, Jacko and Horton would be high on the list below Wagner P54 W27 D10 L17 Win 50% PPG equivalent 1.69 Cowley P40 W13 D11 L16 Win 33% PPG 1.25 Robins P68 W23 D14 L31 Win 34% PPG 1.22 Grayson P30 W9 D9 L12 Win 30% PPG 1.20 Powell P57 W15 D20 L22 Win 26% PPG 1.14 Corberan P47 W12 D13 L23 Win 25% PPG 1.04 Siewert P6 W0 D1 L5 Win 0% PPG 0.17 What do the fans think good look like / be happy with? Did Wagner only manage us for 54 games whilst in the Championship? That seems very low considering he took over in Nov 2015 and got us promoted in May 2017. You’re quite right |
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Post by specialun on Jun 3, 2021 20:17:33 GMT 1
Good data - I’d noticed there were some errors in the original but you spotted more. I had to edit my post a few times to get it right in fairness. 😂 Cheers Wagner - I was only missing half a season  Siewert - I’d blocked the pain from memory… 0.33 points a game sounds a lot better! Cowley / Corberan - Deliberately included cup games, as I said “organised by points per game equivalent (ie includes play off & cup games but given we’ve been crap in cups since what seems like forever it shouldn’t skew the stats)” - mainly as I hadn’t time to check the results of Wagner, Grayson, Robins, Powell etc to strip out all cup games and given it didn’t make a material difference… given we tended to lose… a lot! Grateful for you going the extra mile - edited above to avoid confusion |
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