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Post by Ross83 on Jul 14, 2021 11:19:42 GMT 1
That's Forest with a really decent keeper. Us, with 1 really shit one and 1 from League One. Two decent keepers as I'd rate Samba better than either of ours too. |
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Post by Wingman on Jul 14, 2021 11:33:09 GMT 1
Doesn’t make too much sense that one. Samba is a pretty decent keeper. Shame, as on paper he would have made a good signing for us. Agent touting him around the Championship. We don't have much in the way of wiggle room money-wise, until somebody leaves for a fee and even then, midfield will be a priority. Should’ve just sacked Bacuna and Mbenza off and saved their wages. Realistically we would get peanuts for the latter and the former won’t command much. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 14, 2021 12:00:03 GMT 1
That's Forest with a really decent keeper. Us, with 1 really shit one and 1 from League One. Two decent keepers as I'd rate Samba better than either of ours too. They definitely have strong competition for their no.1. I think we're actually weaker now than at the start of last season when we had Hamer, which is quite unbelievable considering I thought Hamer was poor. I hope I'm wrong & Nicholls turns out to be a top championship keeper but I have very little faith in the recruitment team that thought Hamer, Pereira, Leutwiler were good enough & that felt Schofield was ready for the step up to be a regular starter in the Championship. It's all well & good bringing in new defenders to help improve our abysmal goals conceded column but if they have no faith in the keeper behind them then it's a waste of time. So many decent Championship standard keepers available on a free & we go for league 1 Nicholls? Hope he's good but I think it's more of a case that he's on really low wages & the club are taking a massive gamble that he can step up. Such a key position aswell. |
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Post by RickDangerous on Jul 14, 2021 12:09:09 GMT 1
Agent touting him around the Championship. We don't have much in the way of wiggle room money-wise, until somebody leaves for a fee and even then, midfield will be a priority. Should’ve just sacked Bacuna and Mbenza off and saved their wages. Realistically we would get peanuts for the latter and the former won’t command much. Really hope we aren't left with more egg on our face with these contract extensions. Bacuna was apparently wanted by Rangers, but is that still the case since they've signed Lundstram from Sheff United? If we end up having to keep one I'd expect it would negate the fee we got for the other. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 14, 2021 12:13:39 GMT 1
Should’ve just sacked Bacuna and Mbenza off and saved their wages. Realistically we would get peanuts for the latter and the former won’t command much. Really hope we aren't left with more egg on our face with these contract extensions. Bacuna was apparently wanted by Rangers, but is that still the case since they've signed Lundstram from Sheff United? If we end up having to keep one I'd expect it would negate the fee we got for the other. Not sure how true it is but I heard yesterday that Bacuna to Fenerbache was a done thing? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 14, 2021 12:16:48 GMT 1
Really hope we aren't left with more egg on our face with these contract extensions. Bacuna was apparently wanted by Rangers, but is that still the case since they've signed Lundstram from Sheff United? If we end up having to keep one I'd expect it would negate the fee we got for the other. Not sure how true it is but I heard yesterday that Bacuna to Fenerbache was a done thing? Besiktas wanting Mbenza was mentioned on Twitter last week |
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Post by crux on Jul 14, 2021 12:42:09 GMT 1
Two decent keepers as I'd rate Samba better than either of ours too. They definitely have strong competition for their no.1. I think we're actually weaker now than at the start of last season when we had Hamer, which is quite unbelievable considering I thought Hamer was poor. I hope I'm wrong & Nicholls turns out to be a top championship keeper but I have very little faith in the recruitment team that thought Hamer, Pereira, Leutwiler were good enough & that felt Schofield was ready for the step up to be a regular starter in the Championship. It's all well & good bringing in new defenders to help improve our abysmal goals conceded column but if they have no faith in the keeper behind them then it's a waste of time. So many decent Championship standard keepers available on a free & we go for league 1 Nicholls? Hope he's good but I think it's more of a case that he's on really low wages & the club are taking a massive gamble that he can step up. Such a key position aswell. I know it was only a pre-season friendly, but I thought Nicholls did well on Saturday apart from one short distribution error which he made amends for. He commanded his area well, taking all the corners and crosses that he needed to. He talked to (and shouted at), his defenders when required and made the saves he needed to. His kicking was good and accurate, especially the long kicks. He was way more impressive than Pereira on debut and if his keeps up that level of performance he will get the gloves for the first game. He even ventured from his six yard box from time to time  |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 14, 2021 12:58:00 GMT 1
They definitely have strong competition for their no.1. I think we're actually weaker now than at the start of last season when we had Hamer, which is quite unbelievable considering I thought Hamer was poor. I hope I'm wrong & Nicholls turns out to be a top championship keeper but I have very little faith in the recruitment team that thought Hamer, Pereira, Leutwiler were good enough & that felt Schofield was ready for the step up to be a regular starter in the Championship. It's all well & good bringing in new defenders to help improve our abysmal goals conceded column but if they have no faith in the keeper behind them then it's a waste of time. So many decent Championship standard keepers available on a free & we go for league 1 Nicholls? Hope he's good but I think it's more of a case that he's on really low wages & the club are taking a massive gamble that he can step up. Such a key position aswell. I know it was only a pre-season friendly, but I thought Nicholls did well on Saturday apart from one short distribution error which he made amends for. He commanded his area well, taking all the corners and crosses that he needed to. He talked to (and shouted at), his defenders when required and made the saves he needed to. His kicking was good and accurate, especially the long kicks. He was way more impressive than Pereira on debut and if his keeps up that level of performance he will get the gloves for the first game. He even ventured from his six yard box from time to time Really hope he does the business but a pre-season game on the training ground against Harrogate is a million miles away from playing regular Championship football. 3 of his last 6 seasons he's been a bench warmer in league 1. I don't recall any other Championship clubs scrambling to get him in when they knew he would be available either? It's a big gamble that I hope pays off because Schofield didn't look ready to me last season. |
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Post by detox on Jul 14, 2021 13:34:39 GMT 1
I'd just like to say that in my opinion our defensive frailties last season didn't start and end with our keeper. I'd even elaborate that the dogshit defence was99% to blame...just my opinion...
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 14, 2021 13:56:07 GMT 1
I'd just like to say that in my opinion our defensive frailties last season didn't start and end with our keeper. I'd even elaborate that the dogshit defence was99% to blame...just my opinion... 100% You only have to look at the amount of saves Schofield had to make. 1 or 2 maybe of his own doing but the team directly in front of him were at fault for many goals. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 14, 2021 14:24:10 GMT 1
I'd just like to say that in my opinion our defensive frailties last season didn't start and end with our keeper. I'd even elaborate that the dogshit defence was99% to blame...just my opinion... 100% You only have to look at the amount of saves Schofield had to make. 1 or 2 maybe of his own doing but the team directly in front of him were at fault for many goals. Whoever was at fault for the goals against us last year, we need to be better this year. If we could get a keeper that did not try to save goals from behind the line and was more comfortable coming out for crosses I would be happier. Where are we stronger now, than we were when the season started last year as the window closed? Goal keeping - we were probably better with Hammer etc. Full Backs - Stronger in depth but no stronger as a starting eleven Centre Back - We had Schindler and some experienced players in support, now we have a young inexperienced player on loan and a new player supported by our young players. I rated Schindler but we will have to wait to see what the new players bring to the squad. Midfield - we apparently hope sell in this area and we have not replaced our loan from last year so defiantly weaker Attack - Another old player returning to try and resurrect his career and Ward is fit at the moment so we should be stronger even if Mbenza leaves. So as it stands I defiantly want to see us improve the first 11 before the window closes. |
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 14, 2021 19:04:25 GMT 1
100% You only have to look at the amount of saves Schofield had to make. 1 or 2 maybe of his own doing but the team directly in front of him were at fault for many goals. Whoever was at fault for the goals against us last year, we need to be better this year. If we could get a keeper that did not try to save goals from behind the line and was more comfortable coming out for crosses I would be happier. Where are we stronger now, than we were when the season started last year as the window closed? Goal keeping - we were probably better with Hammer etc. Full Backs - Stronger in depth but no stronger as a starting eleven Centre Back - We had Schindler and some experienced players in support, now we have a young inexperienced player on loan and a new player supported by our young players. I rated Schindler but we will have to wait to see what the new players bring to the squad. Midfield - we apparently hope sell in this area and we have not replaced our loan from last year so defiantly weaker Attack - Another old player returning to try and resurrect his career and Ward is fit at the moment so we should be stronger even if Mbenza leaves. So as it stands I defiantly want to see us improve the first 11 before the window closes. I agree with some points. Gks - Hamer definitely improved without the crowds in but I don't think there was much between him and Schofield tbh. Who knows whether Nicholls will be an improvement on either (although surely it's impossible to be worse than poppadum hands Perreira)? Full backs - if Pipa and Toff stay I think they will step their performances up a notch having genuine competition now, rather than the poor replacement or makeshift options of last season - for me an indirect improvement to first team. Central Defence, Schindler (although he'll always be a legend) looked a shade of his former self, Sarr started ok and got worse, Stearman and Keogh arguably past it, young lads not quite good enough yet. We've brought in the younger but experienced solid Pearson, and one of Chelsea's hottest prospects to compliment Sarr and our youngsters. I think it's an improvement.on last season. Midfield, we definitely need strengthening. One or two creative players required. Brown returning from Posh where he starred last year may give us a decent extra option there, but hopefully we'll get some new quality here. V important I feel. Forwards, we have plenty of pacey skilful options out wide in Rowe, Grant, Koroma, Aarons, Thomas. Then the old guys in the middle. If we play to Rhodes strengths we could be a serious threat. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 14, 2021 21:52:25 GMT 1
Whoever was at fault for the goals against us last year, we need to be better this year. If we could get a keeper that did not try to save goals from behind the line and was more comfortable coming out for crosses I would be happier. Where are we stronger now, than we were when the season started last year as the window closed? Goal keeping - we were probably better with Hammer etc. Full Backs - Stronger in depth but no stronger as a starting eleven Centre Back - We had Schindler and some experienced players in support, now we have a young inexperienced player on loan and a new player supported by our young players. I rated Schindler but we will have to wait to see what the new players bring to the squad. Midfield - we apparently hope sell in this area and we have not replaced our loan from last year so defiantly weaker Attack - Another old player returning to try and resurrect his career and Ward is fit at the moment so we should be stronger even if Mbenza leaves. So as it stands I defiantly want to see us improve the first 11 before the window closes. I agree with some points. Gks - Hamer definitely improved without the crowds in but I don't think there was much between him and Schofield tbh. Who knows whether Nicholls will be an improvement on either (although surely it's impossible to be worse than poppadum hands Perreira)? Full backs - if Pipa and Toff stay I think they will step their performances up a notch having genuine competition now, rather than the poor replacement or makeshift options of last season - for me an indirect improvement to first team. Central Defence, Schindler (although he'll always be a legend) looked a shade of his former self, Sarr started ok and got worse, Stearman and Keogh arguably past it, young lads not quite good enough yet. We've brought in the younger but experienced solid Pearson, and one of Chelsea's hottest prospects to compliment Sarr and our youngsters. I think it's an improvement.on last season. Midfield, we definitely need strengthening. One or two creative players required. Brown returning from Posh where he starred last year may give us a decent extra option there, but hopefully we'll get some new quality here. V important I feel. Forwards, we have plenty of pacey skilful options out wide in Rowe, Grant, Koroma, Aarons, Thomas. Then the old guys in the middle. If we play to Rhodes strengths we could be a serious threat. Is that the strengths that, apparently, no one has played to for about 8 years ? |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jul 14, 2021 23:55:23 GMT 1
That's Forest with a really decent keeper. Us, with 1 really shit one and 1 from League One. Not convinced by everyones thoughts on this guy, he's done nothing of note for last 2 seasons, couldn't break into Brugge side and hasn't played really since 2018/19 season, and not the US #1. No better than what we have. |
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Post by willo on Jul 15, 2021 0:39:16 GMT 1
I agree with some points. Gks - Hamer definitely improved without the crowds in but I don't think there was much between him and Schofield tbh. Who knows whether Nicholls will be an improvement on either (although surely it's impossible to be worse than poppadum hands Perreira)? Full backs - if Pipa and Toff stay I think they will step their performances up a notch having genuine competition now, rather than the poor replacement or makeshift options of last season - for me an indirect improvement to first team. Central Defence, Schindler (although he'll always be a legend) looked a shade of his former self, Sarr started ok and got worse, Stearman and Keogh arguably past it, young lads not quite good enough yet. We've brought in the younger but experienced solid Pearson, and one of Chelsea's hottest prospects to compliment Sarr and our youngsters. I think it's an improvement.on last season. Midfield, we definitely need strengthening. One or two creative players required. Brown returning from Posh where he starred last year may give us a decent extra option there, but hopefully we'll get some new quality here. V important I feel. Forwards, we have plenty of pacey skilful options out wide in Rowe, Grant, Koroma, Aarons, Thomas. Then the old guys in the middle. If we play to Rhodes strengths we could be a serious threat. Is that the strengths that, apparently, no one has played to for about 8 years ? 🥱 Do you have anything else in your locker other than knocking Rhodes, mocking Holmes over his height or telling us all repeatedly how you dislike Rangers & “Victimpool” (to use your word)? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 15, 2021 7:16:06 GMT 1
Is that the strengths that, apparently, no one has played to for about 8 years ? 🥱 Do you have anything else in your locker other than knocking Rhodes, mocking Holmes over his height or telling us all repeatedly how you dislike Rangers & “Victimpool” (to use your word)? Yeah, loads. Thanks for asking. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 15, 2021 8:54:32 GMT 1
Whoever was at fault for the goals against us last year, we need to be better this year. If we could get a keeper that did not try to save goals from behind the line and was more comfortable coming out for crosses I would be happier. Where are we stronger now, than we were when the season started last year as the window closed? Goal keeping - we were probably better with Hammer etc. Full Backs - Stronger in depth but no stronger as a starting eleven Centre Back - We had Schindler and some experienced players in support, now we have a young inexperienced player on loan and a new player supported by our young players. I rated Schindler but we will have to wait to see what the new players bring to the squad. Midfield - we apparently hope sell in this area and we have not replaced our loan from last year so defiantly weaker Attack - Another old player returning to try and resurrect his career and Ward is fit at the moment so we should be stronger even if Mbenza leaves. So as it stands I defiantly want to see us improve the first 11 before the window closes. I agree with some points. Gks - Hamer definitely improved without the crowds in but I don't think there was much between him and Schofield tbh. Who knows whether Nicholls will be an improvement on either (although surely it's impossible to be worse than poppadum hands Perreira)? Full backs - if Pipa and Toff stay I think they will step their performances up a notch having genuine competition now, rather than the poor replacement or makeshift options of last season - for me an indirect improvement to first team. Central Defence, Schindler (although he'll always be a legend) looked a shade of his former self, Sarr started ok and got worse, Stearman and Keogh arguably past it, young lads not quite good enough yet. We've brought in the younger but experienced solid Pearson, and one of Chelsea's hottest prospects to compliment Sarr and our youngsters. I think it's an improvement.on last season. Midfield, we definitely need strengthening. One or two creative players required. Brown returning from Posh where he starred last year may give us a decent extra option there, but hopefully we'll get some new quality here. V important I feel. Forwards, we have plenty of pacey skilful options out wide in Rowe, Grant, Koroma, Aarons, Thomas. Then the old guys in the middle. If we play to Rhodes strengths we could be a serious threat. It is all about opinions. So at best you think that we stand still re the goalkeeping area. Full backs, apparently we can maintain the quality of the first 11 more often but our first eleven will not be any better. Centre Back you have a hope that we will be better, as we all do, but we will have to see. Midfield we agree, weaker. Finally Rhodes, we all live in hope, the rest were hear last year. That is the positions sorted but the playing style has not been addressed. We don't seem to have brought in players to complement the proposed style of CC. Pearson's weakness by repute is not passing out from the back and Rhodes is defiantly not a player to fit our coaches style. I am sure that we all hope that somehow it all comes together and the sum of the team is greater than the quality of the individual team members. |
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 15, 2021 9:19:55 GMT 1
I agree with some points. Gks - Hamer definitely improved without the crowds in but I don't think there was much between him and Schofield tbh. Who knows whether Nicholls will be an improvement on either (although surely it's impossible to be worse than poppadum hands Perreira)? Full backs - if Pipa and Toff stay I think they will step their performances up a notch having genuine competition now, rather than the poor replacement or makeshift options of last season - for me an indirect improvement to first team. Central Defence, Schindler (although he'll always be a legend) looked a shade of his former self, Sarr started ok and got worse, Stearman and Keogh arguably past it, young lads not quite good enough yet. We've brought in the younger but experienced solid Pearson, and one of Chelsea's hottest prospects to compliment Sarr and our youngsters. I think it's an improvement.on last season. Midfield, we definitely need strengthening. One or two creative players required. Brown returning from Posh where he starred last year may give us a decent extra option there, but hopefully we'll get some new quality here. V important I feel. Forwards, we have plenty of pacey skilful options out wide in Rowe, Grant, Koroma, Aarons, Thomas. Then the old guys in the middle. If we play to Rhodes strengths we could be a serious threat. It is all about opinions. So at best you think that we stand still re the goalkeeping area. Full backs, apparently we can maintain the quality of the first 11 more often but our first eleven will not be any better. Centre Back you have a hope that we will be better, as we all do, but we will have to see. Midfield we agree, weaker. Finally Rhodes, we all live in hope, the rest were hear last year. That is the positions sorted but the playing style has not been addressed. We don't seem to have brought in players to complement the proposed style of CC. Pearson's weakness by repute is not passing out from the back and Rhodes is defiantly not a player to fit our coaches style. I am sure that we all hope that somehow it all comes together and the sum of the team is greater than the quality of the individual team members. I don't really get what CCs style is. We've certainly never played Bielsaball consistently. Maybe he's had to change his ways given the perceived lack of board investment in players to suit his system? Re the forwards, we saw Koroma develop like nobody expected last year, plus second half of season potential in the likes of Rowe & Thomas, and I'm looking forward to seeing Danny Grant get game time too. Aarons average but hopefully will kick on. I think at best (and with the midfield strengthened) we can hope for lower/ mid table. If recruitment is complete now, we're in a relegation battle again. But as you say opinions and unknowns. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 16, 2021 15:05:52 GMT 1
They definitely have strong competition for their no.1. I think we're actually weaker now than at the start of last season when we had Hamer, which is quite unbelievable considering I thought Hamer was poor. I hope I'm wrong & Nicholls turns out to be a top championship keeper but I have very little faith in the recruitment team that thought Hamer, Pereira, Leutwiler were good enough & that felt Schofield was ready for the step up to be a regular starter in the Championship. It's all well & good bringing in new defenders to help improve our abysmal goals conceded column but if they have no faith in the keeper behind them then it's a waste of time. So many decent Championship standard keepers available on a free & we go for league 1 Nicholls? Hope he's good but I think it's more of a case that he's on really low wages & the club are taking a massive gamble that he can step up. Such a key position aswell. I know it was only a pre-season friendly, but I thought Nicholls did well on Saturday apart from one short distribution error which he made amends for. He commanded his area well, taking all the corners and crosses that he needed to. He talked to (and shouted at), his defenders when required and made the saves he needed to. His kicking was good and accurate, especially the long kicks. He was way more impressive than Pereira on debut and if his keeps up that level of performance he will get the gloves for the first game. He even ventured from his six yard box from time to time I agree with you but fuck me, what a low bar to set! |
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Post by crux on Jul 16, 2021 15:41:00 GMT 1
I know it was only a pre-season friendly, but I thought Nicholls did well on Saturday apart from one short distribution error which he made amends for. He commanded his area well, taking all the corners and crosses that he needed to. He talked to (and shouted at), his defenders when required and made the saves he needed to. His kicking was good and accurate, especially the long kicks. He was way more impressive than Pereira on debut and if his keeps up that level of performance he will get the gloves for the first game. He even ventured from his six yard box from time to time I agree with you but fuck me, what a low bar to set! I could have put Hamer on debut, but that was possibly a lower bar 😂. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 16, 2021 15:53:00 GMT 1
I agree with you but fuck me, what a low bar to set! I could have put Hamer on debut, but that was possibly a lower bar 😂. It wasn't the best debut either. Hamer's debut, bar set a few inches off the ground. Hologram's debut, bar thrown into Mariana's Trench. |
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Post by stable on Sept 16, 2021 5:29:02 GMT 1
Made a real howler for Forest yesterday. A couple more at the weekend wouldn’t go amiss
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 5, 2021 16:05:18 GMT 1
I think nicholls is as good as samba.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 5, 2021 17:02:06 GMT 1
Incredibly, Pereira has one clean sheet playing for RKC Waalwijk in Holland.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 5, 2021 17:02:24 GMT 1
Incredibly, Pereira has one clean sheet playing for RKC Waalwijk in Holland. Wrong thread? |
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