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Post by boooothy on Jan 12, 2023 10:57:22 GMT 1
Not sure about that. Will Boyle is at centre half, surely REG is better. Koroma probably has six months to save his career and he gives us an option off the bench. But they clearly haven’t had great loan spells. Boyle is better - especially on the left of defence. REG will be sitting around waiting for Lees to get, and Pearson to remain, injured if he's going to get a game. And by then Turton will be back which would put REG 4th in line. There's no way we would have chosen to recall him, which makes the message about him staying with us a bit odd - what is the actual point other than stifling his stuttering development even further? Critchlow if he could have been recalled could easily have slotted in for Boyle on the other side, and would likely be an improvement based on the few times I've seen him this season along with the positive reports we keep hearing/reading. I’m not sure we can loan REG out
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 12, 2023 11:07:02 GMT 1
Boyle is better - especially on the left of defence. REG will be sitting around waiting for Lees to get, and Pearson to remain, injured if he's going to get a game. And by then Turton will be back which would put REG 4th in line. There's no way we would have chosen to recall him, which makes the message about him staying with us a bit odd - what is the actual point other than stifling his stuttering development even further? Critchlow if he could have been recalled could easily have slotted in for Boyle on the other side, and would likely be an improvement based on the few times I've seen him this season along with the positive reports we keep hearing/reading. I’m not sure we can loan REG out Nope. Played for us at the start of the season, same with Koroma.
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Post by boooothy on Jan 12, 2023 11:08:50 GMT 1
I’m not sure we can loan REG out Nope. Played for us at the start of the season, same with Koroma. Oh yeah, if we’ve no intention of playing him we might decide to release him.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 12, 2023 11:45:14 GMT 1
I agree that none of those 3 are good enough, but how would having them available in addition to what we have weaken us more? If they're not as good as the guy who has the shirt then they don't play. They can't weaken us from the stands! Koroma is shit, but he's better than Mahoney. REG is shit, but he's better than Mbete or Ayina. High is no great shakes, but he's an option for when Hogg and Kasumu are injured. Also, sometimes stuff just clicks with a new coach. Don't get me wrong, these returns don't fill me with optimism and I doubt any will make double figures for appearances for us. But weakening us is a confusing claim. Because we know they can’t help and they reduce what money is available to bring in players that might help. Good point, well presented.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 12, 2023 14:04:45 GMT 1
I don't get the attitude towards these players coming back. If they don't contribute, they won't play much, so it'll be as we were. If they do contribute, as they've all done to some degree in the past, then good!
I know it's fashionable to think High is shit but we've had no centre mids on the bench on a good few occasions this season, and he's the type of player where his better performances aren't the type to get people hyped up. Koroma will probably be a shadow of his former self and bide his time, but if not then we've got a good outlet. REG is better with us than with a relegation rival even if he's not playing
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Post by incognito on Jan 12, 2023 14:56:07 GMT 1
Admittedly Koroma is on a lot less than Bacuna and Mbenza were, and so the financial risk of picking up the year option was lower in the event we were unable to shift him, but I'd say this is quietly shaping up to be the biggest waste of time of the three.
I suppose the original hope was that he would show enough at the start of the season to persuade someone to come in with a bit of a fee for him. At least by loaning him to Portsmouth we were able to get a chunk of his salary off the books while retaining a vain hope that he might do enough in League One to give us a chance of recouping something for him in January. Hard to imagine him being drafted in to help our relegation fight - damage limitation may simply be to subsidise his wages elsewhere until his contract expires.
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Post by Jimuano on Jan 12, 2023 15:29:27 GMT 1
The comment section on this…… click on the twitter thread to see the pompey fans' delight at him being sent back to us. He is not the answer to keeping us in this division.
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Post by ball on Jan 12, 2023 15:43:10 GMT 1
Are we in danger of clubs potentially not wanting to loan players off of us because of our reputation of recalling them. Seems to happen above average
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Post by hthp on Jan 12, 2023 15:58:45 GMT 1
Are we in danger of clubs potentially not wanting to loan players off of us because of our reputation of recalling them. Seems to happen above average We haven't recalled any of them, they've all been sent back.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 12, 2023 16:02:43 GMT 1
Are we in danger of clubs potentially not wanting to loan players off of us because of our reputation of recalling them. Seems to happen above average We haven't recalled any of them, they've all been sent back. We recalled Hudlin and Headley.
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Post by Dan on Jan 12, 2023 16:33:49 GMT 1
We haven't recalled any of them, they've all been sent back. We recalled Hudlin and Headley. And High I think?
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Post by hthp on Jan 12, 2023 16:35:14 GMT 1
We recalled Hudlin and Headley. And High I think? They've sent him back.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 12, 2023 16:38:21 GMT 1
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Post by hthp on Jan 12, 2023 16:39:58 GMT 1
Fair enough, was just going by what some Rotherham fans were saying. Hopefully recalled him to sent him out somewhere else.
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Post by Dan on Jan 12, 2023 16:40:17 GMT 1
Don’t know why town would make a point of saying REG and Koroma were sent back if High wasn’t as well… “As we’re only too aware, things evolve at a rapid pace in football and, much like ourselves, all three of those sides have experienced a significant amount of change since those deals were first agreed. As a result, we have made the decision for Scott to rejoin us from Rotherham, exercising our right to recall him, with Wigan and Portsmouth respectively exercising theirs to send Rarmani and Josh back to us in this window.
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Post by hthp on Jan 12, 2023 16:48:58 GMT 1
Don’t know why town would make a point of saying REG and Koroma were sent back if High wasn’t as well… “As we’re only too aware, things evolve at a rapid pace in football and, much like ourselves, all three of those sides have experienced a significant amount of change since those deals were first agreed. As a result, we have made the decision for Scott to rejoin us from Rotherham, exercising our right to recall him, with Wigan and Portsmouth respectively exercising theirs to send Rarmani and Josh back to us in this window. Check post above.
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Post by crux on Jan 12, 2023 18:44:17 GMT 1
High was recalled because Rotherham didn't have the option to send him back. However, Rotherham weren't going to include him so it would be pointless for him to remain there.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jan 13, 2023 12:38:35 GMT 1
"What I would say to those players is if you're not able to go and play regularly for those teams then you're going to find it hard here too. We have a more rounded squad now with players back from injury. We have Ollie Turton on the grass and Matty Pearson pushing for a start this weekend.
"So we welcome the players back but they have to fight and force their way into my thinking. We don't have any more time for experiments."
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Post by mallyb on Jan 13, 2023 17:41:40 GMT 1
High was recalled because Rotherham didn't have the option to send him back. However, Rotherham weren't going to include him so it would be pointless for him to remain there. I assume Rotherham are paying some of his wages? If not why take him back? We are stuck with Mbete, Anjorin, and KKH who seemingly can't go back. All our loans that we don't want back are being sent back and because some genius already played them for us they can't go out on loan again. You couldn't make it up how badly decisions the club have made this season have gone. I can't believe the same people are making these decisions as last season.
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Post by softboy on Jan 13, 2023 17:51:22 GMT 1
If we are going to attract a much better/dare I say wealthier owner if we stay in the Championship we need to get as many loans as possible back, look at them, if they are good enough to help us stay up keep them here, if not ship them back out on loan. There are clubs out there who are either under a transfer embargo or have less money than us so in my view the stronger the squad the better. I am sure we will loose far more money if we go down than bring all our loan players back and pay their wages.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 13, 2023 18:22:10 GMT 1
If we are going to attract a much better/dare I say wealthier owner if we stay in the Championship we need to get as many loans as possible back, look at them, if they are good enough to help us stay up keep them here, if not ship them back out on loan. There are clubs out there who are either under a transfer embargo or have less money than us so in my view the stronger the squad the better. I am sure we will loose far more money if we go down than bring all our loan players back and pay their wages. With the caveat that Koroma & REG can't go out on loan anywhere, since you can't play for more than 2 clubs in a season. High, Headley, Hudlin, Harratt & Chapman could potentially go out though unless they make an appearance for us this season. I'm not sure whether "unused sub" counts as an appearance though - as I expect Chapman will be sub GK tomorrow.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 13, 2023 19:20:24 GMT 1
High was recalled because Rotherham didn't have the option to send him back. However, Rotherham weren't going to include him so it would be pointless for him to remain there. I assume Rotherham are paying some of his wages? If not why take him back? We are stuck with Mbete, Anjorin, and KKH who seemingly can't go back. All our loans that we don't want back are being sent back and because some genius already played them for us they can't go out on loan again. You couldn't make it up how badly decisions the club have made this season have gone. I can't believe the same people are making these decisions as last season. Do you think that perhaps Man City, Chelsea and Aston Villa might be able to negotiate slightly more favourable deals for their young players than Huddersfield Town. Supply and demand?
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Post by mallyb on Jan 13, 2023 20:01:18 GMT 1
I assume Rotherham are paying some of his wages? If not why take him back? We are stuck with Mbete, Anjorin, and KKH who seemingly can't go back. All our loans that we don't want back are being sent back and because some genius already played them for us they can't go out on loan again. You couldn't make it up how badly decisions the club have made this season have gone. I can't believe the same people are making these decisions as last season. Do you think that perhaps Man City, Chelsea and Aston Villa might be able to negotiate slightly more favourable deals for their young players than Huddersfield Town. Supply and demand? No I don't agree with that. Any negotiation has to work and anticipate problems to be professional. To have a break clause to protect the club against a season-ending injury would seem standard, especially for a player that had his previous loan cancelled because of injury. To not have it there would seem negligent. To allow players to go out for their final loan of the season because they were allowed to play for us with a break claus for no reason seems equally negligent and a bit desperate. This is the difference between a well run club and a club in chaos. A proper DOF doesn't make these mistakes. Canalside must be like a hostel at the minute for unwanted footballers. All joining low in confidence and with their career in decline. How does that lift the squad. If I am Rhodes and not off I am not worried by either of the attackers signed.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jan 14, 2023 0:26:50 GMT 1
If we are going to attract a much better/dare I say wealthier owner if we stay in the Championship we need to get as many loans as possible back, look at them, if they are good enough to help us stay up keep them here, if not ship them back out on loan. There are clubs out there who are either under a transfer embargo or have less money than us so in my view the stronger the squad the better. I am sure we will loose far more money if we go down than bring all our loan players back and pay their wages. With the caveat that Koroma & REG can't go out on loan anywhere, since you can't play for more than 2 clubs in a season. High, Headley, Hudlin, Harratt & Chapman could potentially go out though unless they make an appearance for us this season. I'm not sure whether "unused sub" counts as an appearance though - as I expect Chapman will be sub GK tomorrow. Harratt played for us last week
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 14, 2023 7:45:39 GMT 1
With the caveat that Koroma & REG can't go out on loan anywhere, since you can't play for more than 2 clubs in a season. High, Headley, Hudlin, Harratt & Chapman could potentially go out though unless they make an appearance for us this season. I'm not sure whether "unused sub" counts as an appearance though - as I expect Chapman will be sub GK tomorrow. Harratt played for us last week Yes, he did. I stand corrected.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2023 17:37:25 GMT 1
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Post by ram on Apr 11, 2023 10:50:52 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas has to come back to us,someone said he jumped up for a Blackburn goal while still technically our player.If they want to buy him at the end of the season,I hope our hard-nosed new American owner stiffs them for £15-20.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Apr 11, 2023 10:53:08 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas has to come back to us,someone said he jumped up for a Blackburn goal while still technically our player.If they want to buy him at the end of the season,I hope our hard-nosed new American owner stiffs them for £15-20. And a packet Cheerios?
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